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List Rules

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The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
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moderated Re: Focus 40 and Braille

Ann Byrne
 

Got it! My focus is older and the keys are different. I did find the spacebar on my student's display.

Apparently the Braille input is dictated by the output, so there is only one input choice, depending on the output. To get to the settingsI needed, I had to go to the advanced Braille settings and work my way back up. Strange.

thanks for all the help.


moderated Re: JAWS 2022

Michael Walker
 

I’ve never had that happen.

On Aug 31, 2021, at 8:37 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Mike. Several times, due to changes in the newer version of JAWS, migrating the settings to the new version caused anomalies that made it necessary to completely reinstall the newer version. Nobody knows when this might happen, so many of us simply change the settings manually in the new version, so the migration tool doesn't mess up the new version of JAWS. Now that the new version of JAWS won't have a migration tool, the new version of JAWS will get messed up automatically.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2022

 

Hi Bill,

 

Why wouldn’t you want your settings to migrate to the newer version?

 

Mike



On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:31 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Just a heads up for those who will be purchasing JAWS 2022. There will no longer be a Settings Migration tool. Instead, JAWS 22 will automatically adopt whatever settings you had chosen for your last version of JAWS. I am personally unhappy about this, because I never migrate settings from one JAWS version to another. Here's what the latest FS podcast says about avoiding that problem.

 

If you had a previous version, and it adopted those settings, and you’d rather

start clean, or you’d rather import some other settings that you’ve saved someplace else, you go to the Options menu.  You choose Restore Factory Defaults. 

It’ll ask you are you sure you want to do this?  You accept it.  And your settings will be wiped out.  I think JAWS will actually restart, and you’ll get

the Startup Wizard just like you had just done a clean install with no adoption of settings.  So at that point you can do whatever you like.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: JAWS 2022

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Unless a miracle has happened and they solved the migration issue.
One can always hope...



Richard
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website:  www.turner42.com


On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:37 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Mike. Several times, due to changes in the newer version of JAWS, migrating the settings to the new version caused anomalies that made it necessary to completely reinstall the newer version. Nobody knows when this might happen, so many of us simply change the settings manually in the new version, so the migration tool doesn't mess up the new version of JAWS. Now that the new version of JAWS won't have a migration tool, the new version of JAWS will get messed up automatically.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2022

 

Hi Bill,

 

Why wouldn’t you want your settings to migrate to the newer version?

 

Mike



On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:31 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Just a heads up for those who will be purchasing JAWS 2022. There will no longer be a Settings Migration tool. Instead, JAWS 22 will automatically adopt whatever settings you had chosen for your last version of JAWS. I am personally unhappy about this, because I never migrate settings from one JAWS version to another. Here's what the latest FS podcast says about avoiding that problem.

 

If you had a previous version, and it adopted those settings, and you’d rather

start clean, or you’d rather import some other settings that you’ve saved someplace else, you go to the Options menu.  You choose Restore Factory Defaults. 

It’ll ask you are you sure you want to do this?  You accept it.  And your settings will be wiped out.  I think JAWS will actually restart, and you’ll get

the Startup Wizard just like you had just done a clean install with no adoption of settings.  So at that point you can do whatever you like.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: JAWS 2022

Bill White
 

Hi, Mike. Several times, due to changes in the newer version of JAWS, migrating the settings to the new version caused anomalies that made it necessary to completely reinstall the newer version. Nobody knows when this might happen, so many of us simply change the settings manually in the new version, so the migration tool doesn't mess up the new version of JAWS. Now that the new version of JAWS won't have a migration tool, the new version of JAWS will get messed up automatically.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2022

 

Hi Bill,

 

Why wouldn’t you want your settings to migrate to the newer version?

 

Mike



On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:31 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Just a heads up for those who will be purchasing JAWS 2022. There will no longer be a Settings Migration tool. Instead, JAWS 22 will automatically adopt whatever settings you had chosen for your last version of JAWS. I am personally unhappy about this, because I never migrate settings from one JAWS version to another. Here's what the latest FS podcast says about avoiding that problem.

 

If you had a previous version, and it adopted those settings, and you’d rather

start clean, or you’d rather import some other settings that you’ve saved someplace else, you go to the Options menu.  You choose Restore Factory Defaults. 

It’ll ask you are you sure you want to do this?  You accept it.  And your settings will be wiped out.  I think JAWS will actually restart, and you’ll get

the Startup Wizard just like you had just done a clean install with no adoption of settings.  So at that point you can do whatever you like.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: JAWS 2022

Michael Walker
 

Hi Bill,

Why wouldn’t you want your settings to migrate to the newer version?

Mike

On Aug 31, 2021, at 6:31 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Just a heads up for those who will be purchasing JAWS 2022. There will no longer be a Settings Migration tool. Instead, JAWS 22 will automatically adopt whatever settings you had chosen for your last version of JAWS. I am personally unhappy about this, because I never migrate settings from one JAWS version to another. Here's what the latest FS podcast says about avoiding that problem.

 

If you had a previous version, and it adopted those settings, and you’d rather

start clean, or you’d rather import some other settings that you’ve saved someplace else, you go to the Options menu.  You choose Restore Factory Defaults. 

It’ll ask you are you sure you want to do this?  You accept it.  And your settings will be wiped out.  I think JAWS will actually restart, and you’ll get

the Startup Wizard just like you had just done a clean install with no adoption of settings.  So at that point you can do whatever you like.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Focus 40 and Braille

Ann Byrne
 

Oh, for crying out loud! where is the stinkin' spacebar?

Nope. I don't use this beast for writing.

thanks for the help.

At 07:17 PM 8/31/2021, you wrote:
Here’s what I found in the Focus 40 Blue Display User’s Guide:



Typing with Contracted Braille



With BrailleIn, as you type in contracted braille using the Perkins-style keyboard, your input is immediately translated back as normal text in the current e-mail, document, or form. If an application or specific edit box does not support contracted braille, JAWS announces “Computer Brailleâ€&#65533; when tutor messages are enabled.

Contracted braille input is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:
* Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center.
* In the Search edit box, type "Contracted Braille Translation" without the quotes.
* Press DOWN ARROW to move to Contracted Braille Translation in the filtered search results in the tree view.
* Next, press SPACEBAR to cycle through the different settings in the Contracted Braille Translation combo box.
* Available settings are Off, Output Only, and Input and Output. When set to Off, you cannot read or type in contracted braille using your braille display. When set to Output Only, you can read contracted braille on your braille display, but you can only type in computer braille using the Perkins-style keyboard on your braille display. When set to Input and Output, you can both read and type in contracted braille using your braille display. The default setting is Off.

Note: Contracted Braille Translation can also be turned on or off using the Translation Options (INSERT+V) in those applications where it is available.


This can be found at:<https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Manuals/Focus/Focus40Blue/Focus-40-Blue-Online-Users-Guide.htm> https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Manuals/Focus/Focus40Blue/Focus-40-Blue-Online-Users-Guide.htm






Fhalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com


On Aug 31, 2021, at 4:46 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

My student wants to know how to input grade II Braille with his focus 40. Searching the documentation, it looks like you can't. Failing input, how do you output Grade II Braille?

thanks much,

Ann





moderated Re: Focus 40 and Braille

Ann Byrne
 

I have only 'computer braille' for input under translation, although I have grade II etc. for output.

At 07:05 PM 8/31/2021, you wrote:
I'm typing this in Grade II braille with a Focus 40. I normally use the QWERTY keyboard for text entry, but for this message, I'm using Grade II braille input.

In Settings Center, under Translation, there are separate options for input and output translation. Mine are both set to U.S. English Grade II. You can of course set them to UEB or whatever else you choose.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2021 19:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Focus 40 and Braille

My student wants to know how to input grade II Braille with his focus 40. Searching the documentation, it looks like you can't. Failing input, how do you output Grade II Braille?

thanks much,

Ann










moderated Re: Focus 40 and Braille

Bill Tessore
 

Here’s what I found in the Focus 40 Blue Display User’s Guide:

Typing with Contracted Braille

With BrailleIn, as you type in contracted braille using the Perkins-style keyboard, your input is immediately translated back as normal text in the current e-mail, document, or form. If an application or specific edit box does not support contracted braille, JAWS announces “Computer Braille” when tutor messages are enabled.

Contracted braille input is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:

  1. Press INSERT+F2, and select Settings Center.
  2. In the Search edit box, type "Contracted Braille Translation" without the quotes.
  3. Press DOWN ARROW to move to Contracted Braille Translation in the filtered search results in the tree view.
  4. Next, press SPACEBAR to cycle through the different settings in the Contracted Braille Translation combo box.
    Available settings are Off, Output Only, and Input and Output. When set to Off, you cannot read or type in contracted braille using your braille display. When set to Output Only, you can read contracted braille on your braille display, but you can only type in computer braille using the Perkins-style keyboard on your braille display. When set to Input and Output, you can both read and type in contracted braille using your braille display. The default setting is Off.

Note: Contracted Braille Translation can also be turned on or off using the Translation Options (INSERT+V) in those applications where it is available.


This can be found at: https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Manuals/Focus/Focus40Blue/Focus-40-Blue-Online-Users-Guide.htm






Fhalom,

Bill Tessore
billtessore@...


On Aug 31, 2021, at 4:46 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:

My student wants to know how to input grade II Braille with his focus 40.  Searching the documentation, it looks like you can't.  Failing input, how do you output Grade II Braille?

thanks much,

Ann







moderated Re: Focus 40 and Braille

Jason White
 

I'm typing this in Grade II braille with a Focus 40. I normally use the QWERTY keyboard for text entry, but for this message, I'm using Grade II braille input.

In Settings Center, under Translation, there are separate options for input and output translation. Mine are both set to U.S. English Grade II. You can of course set them to UEB or whatever else you choose.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2021 19:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Focus 40 and Braille

My student wants to know how to input grade II Braille with his focus 40. Searching the documentation, it looks like you can't. Failing input, how do you output Grade II Braille?

thanks much,

Ann


moderated Focus 40 and Braille

Ann Byrne
 

My student wants to know how to input grade II Braille with his focus 40. Searching the documentation, it looks like you can't. Failing input, how do you output Grade II Braille?

thanks much,

Ann


moderated JAWS 2022

Bill White
 

Just a heads up for those who will be purchasing JAWS 2022. There will no longer be a Settings Migration tool. Instead, JAWS 22 will automatically adopt whatever settings you had chosen for your last version of JAWS. I am personally unhappy about this, because I never migrate settings from one JAWS version to another. Here's what the latest FS podcast says about avoiding that problem.

 

If you had a previous version, and it adopted those settings, and you’d rather

start clean, or you’d rather import some other settings that you’ve saved someplace else, you go to the Options menu.  You choose Restore Factory Defaults. 

It’ll ask you are you sure you want to do this?  You accept it.  And your settings will be wiped out.  I think JAWS will actually restart, and you’ll get

the Startup Wizard just like you had just done a clean install with no adoption of settings.  So at that point you can do whatever you like.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Minor correction, it is secure boot, not boost, I believe.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 30 August 2021 16:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

This is a 7th Gen I3 CPU, but as it's an I3 meaning a low-end Intel CPU it may not be compatible.

In addition to the processor requirement you also have to check if your BIOS has SecureBoost and whether it is enabled and whether your system has a TPM (Trusted Platform Module) and that it is Version 2.0.

The Secure Boost setting you can find in System Information and the TPM module information you can check either by typing tpm.msc into the Run dialogue or, a bit easier, by going to Device Manager and them look for "Security Devices", expand it and see what it says, it should say "Trusted Platform Module 2.0".

Apart from that either run the new PC Health Check tool if available yet or just wait and see whether Windows 11 is offered to you in October or November.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: August 29, 2021 5:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

h. here’s the info from belark advisor.

Pasting below.

 

 

Ps: has 4 cores or 4 threads.2.30 gigahertz Intel Core i3-7020U

 


moderated Accessing place markers in PDFs

Rahul Bajaj
 

Hi,

My understanding is that the best way to make notes in a PDF documents
as you read is by inserting well-chosen placemarkers. However, the
problem that I am facing is that I am not able to get to previously
inserted place markers easily. When I press control+shift+k, a list of
place markers opens up. But there is no way to actually go to the text
on which a given place marker has been positioned from that list, as
far as I can tell.

K and shift+k also do nothing for me. I use JAWS 2021.

Rahul

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Senior Resident Fellow,
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University of Oxford


moderated Re: windows 11

Chris
 

Unless its actually a donkey, I wouldn’t put a bet on it

 

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 31 August 2021 15:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

From the proverbial horse's mouth:  Windows 11 available on October 5
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

 


moderated Re: need help with a groups.io account

 

As far as setting a password, see these two tutorials: 

Establishing a Groups.io Website Account Password If You’ve Been an E-Mail Only User (docx)

Changing the Email Address for Your Groups.io Account (docx)

You also need to have a look through the Groups.io Owner's Manual. That covers almost every aspect of moderation you could imagine.  To answer your specific question, under the Admin section the Group Owners/Moderators see when browsing their groups with the web interface, there is a section entitled "Spam Control." if you activate the control for that section, under it is an checkbox, New Members Moderated, which is checked by default immediately followed by a dropdown box for, Unmoderate after, which allows you to chose Not Enabled as well as any number of messages between 1 and 4.  The default selection is 1 Message.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: windows 11

 

From the proverbial horse's mouth:  Windows 11 available on October 5
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: windows 11

 

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 10:01 AM, Mario wrote:
I opened Device Manager but don't have a security item.
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If you don't have a TPM, you will not have this category.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: windows 11

Mario
 

Marvin, I opened Device Manager but don't have a security item. how did you end up with a security item in your Device Manager?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Marvin Hunkin [mailto:startrektech@techie.com]
Subject: windows 11
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2021, 8:23 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi. Have got tpm 2.0. went to control panel, device manager, and security.

And then with the health app. Says my processor, but when I use the win
y 11 tool. Tells me everything is fine.

Thanks.


moderated windows 11

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi. Have got tpm 2.0. went to control panel, device manager, and security.

And then with the health app. Says my processor, but when I use the win y 11 tool. Tells me everything is fine.

Thanks.

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