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moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

Yes. I used both. With JAWS, the problem I get is that when I use either tab or f6, I may not get any speech, and the cursor doesn't move, unless I tab or f6 multiple times. It acts as if it's locked up, but when I use NVDA, everything navigates smoothly.

On 8/11/2021 11:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Are you using F6? It's at least as important as tab in iTunes

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

















moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Are you using F6? It's at least as important as tab in iTunes

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike











moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

Music is selected as the media kind. View options doesn't have anything for me. I think I may just reinstall iTunes from the Apple website, instead of using the Windows Store version.

On 8/11/2021 11:53 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Michael,
Press Control+1 to make sure Music is selected as the Media Kind and check the View menu again.
Or, press Control+j for the View Options and see if that helps.

Like I say, iTunes is a pain.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Strange that I don't get a view as option and you do.

On 8/11/2021 11:47 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Hi,
Press Alt+v and down arrow through:
Media Kind sub menu
All Music a
Only Downloaded Music checked
View As sub menu *right arrow to open the View As menu and the first item is:
Grid
Press enter to check it and close the menu.

HTH,


Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

How did you set your view to grid?

On 8/11/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever Is
Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws speech
history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike




























moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Michael,
Press Control+1 to make sure Music is selected as the Media Kind and check the View menu again.
Or, press Control+j for the View Options and see if that helps.

Like I say, iTunes is a pain.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Strange that I don't get a view as option and you do.

On 8/11/2021 11:47 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Hi,
Press Alt+v and down arrow through:
Media Kind sub menu
All Music a
Only Downloaded Music checked
View As sub menu *right arrow to open the View As menu and the first item is:
Grid
Press enter to check it and close the menu.

HTH,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

How did you set your view to grid?

On 8/11/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever Is
Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws speech
history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
urner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C890b8afd1fa046153f7708d95ce82dc9
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike
























moderated Re: Office 365???

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Some employers only use the online version and do not allow their employees to download the local packages. Keeps I.T. people free to do other things like, o I don't know, twiddle their thumbs?





Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365???

What do you exactly mean by "it's awfully messy"? Office 365 which now is called Microsoft 365 is a subscription which allows you to download and install the Office suite on several devices, once you do this you just use the apps as always, Word, Excel, Outlook etc.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx


moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

Strange that I don't get a view as option and you do.

On 8/11/2021 11:47 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Hi,
Press Alt+v and down arrow through:
Media Kind sub menu
All Music a
Only Downloaded Music checked
View As sub menu *right arrow to open the View As menu and the first item is:
Grid
Press enter to check it and close the menu.

HTH,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

How did you set your view to grid?

On 8/11/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever Is
Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws speech
history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6f5061bf826f44b5682f08d95ce5fbcb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637642965099820724%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=yK12viaZqpgygabHihn3uR4vQCb0OH%2BHYxFvmhuXQH4%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike























moderated Itunes

Tony Sohl
 

Hi JAWS does not work to well with Itunes unfortunately!

Sent from my windows 10 HP


moderated Re: Office 365???

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

What do you exactly mean by "it's awfully messy"? Office 365 which now is called Microsoft 365 is a subscription which allows you to download and install the Office suite on several devices, once you do this you just use the apps as always, Word, Excel, Outlook etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx


moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Hi,
Press Alt+v and down arrow through:
Media Kind sub menu
All Music a
Only Downloaded Music checked
View As sub menu *right arrow to open the View As menu and the first item is:
Grid
Press enter to check it and close the menu.

HTH,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

How did you set your view to grid?

On 8/11/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected Column 1, Row 1 Whatever Is
Noble, Acapeldridge God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill End of Jaws speech
history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6f5061bf826f44b5682f08d95ce5fbcb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637642965099820724%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=yK12viaZqpgygabHihn3uR4vQCb0OH%2BHYxFvmhuXQH4%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike


















moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

How did you set your view to grid?

On 8/11/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected
Column 1, Row 1
Whatever Is Noble, Acapeldridge
God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill
End of Jaws speech history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C5bb29b940eaa46970f7f08d95ce3c1c6%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637642955535175150%7CUnkno
wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Tt68vpi0wYB%2BdUNlS5QTCmrLcIQxsLvcmM2QF
0MV3Zk%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

















moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well, I'm not sure I'm using the Microsoft store version, but this is what I get when I launch iTunes and start tabbing.
My view is set to Grid and the current settings is to show albums.

iTunes
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
volume left right slider
37 percent
To increase or decrease use the Arrow keys.
airplay Button
To activate press spacebar.
Edit
iTunes
up next Button
To activate press spacebar.
search options
iTunes
Music Button
To activate press spacebar.
Library radio button checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
For You radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Browse radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Radio radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Store radio button not checked
1 of 5
iTunes
Store radio button not checked
To change the selection press Up or Down Arrow.
Library Sidebar Tree view
To move through or expand items use the Arrow keys.
Library Sidebar
Library
Edit Button
To activate press spacebar.
Music Playlists Button
To activate press spacebar.
Hide Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
play Button
To activate press spacebar.
table
*At this point, I did a shift tab to the "table, and began using my right arrow key.

table
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge
Whatever Is True, Acapeldridge selected
Column 1, Row 1
Whatever Is Noble, Acapeldridge
God Forgive The USA, Adam Hill
End of Jaws speech history.


iTunes is most certainly a royal pain. I think I have the Show side bar on, but can't remember exactly.
I just know I can kind of muddle through.







Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C5bb29b940eaa46970f7f08d95ce3c1c6%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637642955535175150%7CUnkno
wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Tt68vpi0wYB%2BdUNlS5QTCmrLcIQxsLvcmM2QF
0MV3Zk%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike











moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

Hi Richard,

Microsoft Store updated me to your version of iTunes just now.  I still have the same problem where I can tab, but not with JAWS. What view should I set, to work best with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike

On 8/11/2021 10:59 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike










moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike


moderated Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike


moderated Re: Office 365???

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Ann!

In support of in clarification of the below, indeed it sounds like your former student is using *the web version* of Office 365. Alternatively, they can download onto their computer the *local client version* (desktop) of it; which such version is very much like Office 2016, much cleaner and very accessible. My sighted wife recently went through this, and even the sighted prefer the local client version much better than the web version.

HTH,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 7:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365???

Hello Ann,
It sounds like the student is using the web version of office 365. If they'd like to continue using the web version then I'd suggest that the student enable the light mode of Office 365. For me, This is found as one initially signs in there is a checkbox to check that says enable light mode.
If this checkbox is not found, then see the below article for how to enable it in settings within office 365:
https://volstate.teamdynamix.com/TDClient/1994/Portal/KB/ArticleDet?ID=87244
This turns Outlook web app into a similar experience as Google's basic HTML view. When the student finds the attachment they'd like to download they can press enter and if they use a web browser such as Chrome, the attachment will begin downloading automatically while still keeping the student in the body of the email.
Hope this helps.


On 8/10/21, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
The office 365 screens the student is dealing with require a lot of
tabbing. She had an email with 46 attached training documents. they
were not set up the way Outlook 2016 does them, in a list where you
can copy them one at a time. Instead, each file had three buttons:
Filename, download button, more actions button. Clicking on the
download button took you away from the list, requiring 5 presses of
f6 to get back. then you had to tab past the three buttons for each
item you had already downloaded in order to get to the next one to
download. I tried with JAWS listing buttons, listing links, listing
forms ... Nothing worked. Just a lot of tabs--let's see, 46 times 3,
to be exact. Doable, but only with determination.




At 07:44 PM 8/10/2021, you wrote:
Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific
information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook,
Excel, and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the
road, but there is a veritable plethora of training materials for
someone who has never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking
to be successful in a job should know Office products well enough to
be able to adapt to an employer's situation. For example, in my last
two jobs, I was expected to be proficient with both Outlook and
Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be able to proficiently work
with web browsing software (at that time, Internet Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a
huge issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that
Microsoft Office is messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx















--
Shai Wolman
Wolman Assistive
(619)894-6587
An accessibility services company providing training to children and adults!
To get in touch or for more information, please visit my website at wolmanassistive.com


moderated Re: Office 365???

Shai
 

Hello Ann,
It sounds like the student is using the web version of office 365. If
they'd like to continue using the web version then I'd suggest that
the student enable the light mode of Office 365. For me, This is
found as one initially signs in there is a checkbox to check that says
enable light mode.
If this checkbox is not found, then see the below article for how to
enable it in settings within office 365:
https://volstate.teamdynamix.com/TDClient/1994/Portal/KB/ArticleDet?ID=87244
This turns Outlook web app into a similar experience as Google's basic
HTML view. When the student finds the attachment they'd like to
download they can press enter and if they use a web browser such as
Chrome, the attachment will begin downloading automatically while
still keeping the student in the body of the email.
Hope this helps.

On 8/10/21, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
The office 365 screens the student is dealing with require a lot of
tabbing. She had an email with 46 attached training documents. they
were not set up the way Outlook 2016 does them, in a list where you
can copy them one at a time. Instead, each file had three buttons:
Filename, download button, more actions button. Clicking on the
download button took you away from the list, requiring 5 presses of
f6 to get back. then you had to tab past the three buttons for each
item you had already downloaded in order to get to the next one to
download. I tried with JAWS listing buttons, listing links, listing
forms ... Nothing worked. Just a lot of tabs--let's see, 46 times 3,
to be exact. Doable, but only with determination.




At 07:44 PM 8/10/2021, you wrote:
Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific
information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook, Excel,
and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the road, but
there is a veritable plethora of training materials for someone who has
never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking to be successful in
a
job should know Office products well enough to be able to adapt to an
employer's situation. For example, in my last two jobs, I was expected to
be
proficient with both Outlook and Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be
able to proficiently work with web browsing software (at that time,
Internet
Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a
huge
issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that Microsoft Office
is
messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx














--
Shai Wolman
Wolman Assistive
(619)894-6587
An accessibility services company providing training to children and adults!
To get in touch or for more information, please visit my website at
wolmanassistive.com


moderated Re: Office 365???

Curtis Chong
 

Ah yes, I see the huge problem here. Others have commented on the difficulty
of using the Web version. I quite agree. Requiring a blind person to use it
is a real drag on efficiency and productivity. What nonvisual users
absolutely must have on the job is Microsoft 365, the version which runs
under Windows. Then, for a nonvisual user, a screen reader is definitely
indispensble(JAWS?).

Kind regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 6:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365???

The office 365 screens the student is dealing with require a lot of
tabbing. She had an email with 46 attached training documents. they
were not set up the way Outlook 2016 does them, in a list where you
can copy them one at a time. Instead, each file had three buttons:
Filename, download button, more actions button. Clicking on the
download button took you away from the list, requiring 5 presses of
f6 to get back. then you had to tab past the three buttons for each
item you had already downloaded in order to get to the next one to
download. I tried with JAWS listing buttons, listing links, listing
forms ... Nothing worked. Just a lot of tabs--let's see, 46 times 3,
to be exact. Doable, but only with determination.




At 07:44 PM 8/10/2021, you wrote:
Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook, Excel,
and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the road, but
there is a veritable plethora of training materials for someone who has
never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking to be successful in
a
job should know Office products well enough to be able to adapt to an
employer's situation. For example, in my last two jobs, I was expected to
be
proficient with both Outlook and Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be
able to proficiently work with web browsing software (at that time,
Internet
Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a huge
issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that Microsoft Office
is
messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx










moderated Re: Office 365???

 

Ann,

Someone needs to take a look at settings, and from an accessibility standpoint.  What you describe is nothing like what the defaults typically are with any version of Office I've worked with.  I suspect that someone has decided to "get creative" with how they're setting things up in the organization without every having thought about accessibility at all.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Office 365???

Chris Hill
 

It works fine if you have the proper version.  There seems to be a sort of web version that is really difficult, and then the normal version which is just like any other version of office.  I ran into the web type version when I installed a new computer and windows asked me if I'd like to download office when I signed in with my microsoft account.  It downloaded that piece of junk, which was a nightmare.  I uninstalled it and went back in to their website and downloaded the real version.  Sounds like someone needs to have a discussion with the IT people.


CH

On 8/10/2021 16:55, Ann Byrne wrote:
My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365.   It's awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx





moderated Re: Office 365???

Ann Byrne
 

The office 365 screens the student is dealing with require a lot of tabbing. She had an email with 46 attached training documents. they were not set up the way Outlook 2016 does them, in a list where you can copy them one at a time. Instead, each file had three buttons: Filename, download button, more actions button. Clicking on the download button took you away from the list, requiring 5 presses of f6 to get back. then you had to tab past the three buttons for each item you had already downloaded in order to get to the next one to download. I tried with JAWS listing buttons, listing links, listing forms ... Nothing worked. Just a lot of tabs--let's see, 46 times 3, to be exact. Doable, but only with determination.

At 07:44 PM 8/10/2021, you wrote:
Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook, Excel,
and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the road, but
there is a veritable plethora of training materials for someone who has
never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking to be successful in a
job should know Office products well enough to be able to adapt to an
employer's situation. For example, in my last two jobs, I was expected to be
proficient with both Outlook and Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be
able to proficiently work with web browsing software (at that time, Internet
Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a huge
issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that Microsoft Office is
messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx









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