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moderated Re: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I had an iTunes update this morning, iTunes Version 12.11.4.15 and can tab fine with Jaws 2021.

It may depend on the view you have set, etc.






Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Walker
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 8:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike


moderated Cannot tab through iTunes 12.11.3.17 with JAWS 2021.

Michael Walker
 

Hi,

I have an issue where when I open iTunes and am on the main window, I cannot tab or shift tab through it.  I do not get feedback from JAWS 2021.  However, when I test with NVDA, I have no issues.  How can I make this work with JAWS?

Thank you,

Mike


moderated Re: Office 365???

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Ann!

In support of in clarification of the below, indeed it sounds like your former student is using *the web version* of Office 365. Alternatively, they can download onto their computer the *local client version* (desktop) of it; which such version is very much like Office 2016, much cleaner and very accessible. My sighted wife recently went through this, and even the sighted prefer the local client version much better than the web version.

HTH,
Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 7:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365???

Hello Ann,
It sounds like the student is using the web version of office 365. If they'd like to continue using the web version then I'd suggest that the student enable the light mode of Office 365. For me, This is found as one initially signs in there is a checkbox to check that says enable light mode.
If this checkbox is not found, then see the below article for how to enable it in settings within office 365:
https://volstate.teamdynamix.com/TDClient/1994/Portal/KB/ArticleDet?ID=87244
This turns Outlook web app into a similar experience as Google's basic HTML view. When the student finds the attachment they'd like to download they can press enter and if they use a web browser such as Chrome, the attachment will begin downloading automatically while still keeping the student in the body of the email.
Hope this helps.


On 8/10/21, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
The office 365 screens the student is dealing with require a lot of
tabbing. She had an email with 46 attached training documents. they
were not set up the way Outlook 2016 does them, in a list where you
can copy them one at a time. Instead, each file had three buttons:
Filename, download button, more actions button. Clicking on the
download button took you away from the list, requiring 5 presses of
f6 to get back. then you had to tab past the three buttons for each
item you had already downloaded in order to get to the next one to
download. I tried with JAWS listing buttons, listing links, listing
forms ... Nothing worked. Just a lot of tabs--let's see, 46 times 3,
to be exact. Doable, but only with determination.




At 07:44 PM 8/10/2021, you wrote:
Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific
information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook,
Excel, and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the
road, but there is a veritable plethora of training materials for
someone who has never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking
to be successful in a job should know Office products well enough to
be able to adapt to an employer's situation. For example, in my last
two jobs, I was expected to be proficient with both Outlook and
Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be able to proficiently work
with web browsing software (at that time, Internet Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a
huge issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that
Microsoft Office is messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx















--
Shai Wolman
Wolman Assistive
(619)894-6587
An accessibility services company providing training to children and adults!
To get in touch or for more information, please visit my website at wolmanassistive.com


moderated Re: Office 365???

Shai
 

Hello Ann,
It sounds like the student is using the web version of office 365. If
they'd like to continue using the web version then I'd suggest that
the student enable the light mode of Office 365. For me, This is
found as one initially signs in there is a checkbox to check that says
enable light mode.
If this checkbox is not found, then see the below article for how to
enable it in settings within office 365:
https://volstate.teamdynamix.com/TDClient/1994/Portal/KB/ArticleDet?ID=87244
This turns Outlook web app into a similar experience as Google's basic
HTML view. When the student finds the attachment they'd like to
download they can press enter and if they use a web browser such as
Chrome, the attachment will begin downloading automatically while
still keeping the student in the body of the email.
Hope this helps.

On 8/10/21, Ann Byrne <annakb@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
The office 365 screens the student is dealing with require a lot of
tabbing. She had an email with 46 attached training documents. they
were not set up the way Outlook 2016 does them, in a list where you
can copy them one at a time. Instead, each file had three buttons:
Filename, download button, more actions button. Clicking on the
download button took you away from the list, requiring 5 presses of
f6 to get back. then you had to tab past the three buttons for each
item you had already downloaded in order to get to the next one to
download. I tried with JAWS listing buttons, listing links, listing
forms ... Nothing worked. Just a lot of tabs--let's see, 46 times 3,
to be exact. Doable, but only with determination.




At 07:44 PM 8/10/2021, you wrote:
Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific
information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook, Excel,
and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the road, but
there is a veritable plethora of training materials for someone who has
never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking to be successful in
a
job should know Office products well enough to be able to adapt to an
employer's situation. For example, in my last two jobs, I was expected to
be
proficient with both Outlook and Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be
able to proficiently work with web browsing software (at that time,
Internet
Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a
huge
issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that Microsoft Office
is
messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx














--
Shai Wolman
Wolman Assistive
(619)894-6587
An accessibility services company providing training to children and adults!
To get in touch or for more information, please visit my website at
wolmanassistive.com


moderated Re: Office 365???

Curtis Chong
 

Ah yes, I see the huge problem here. Others have commented on the difficulty
of using the Web version. I quite agree. Requiring a blind person to use it
is a real drag on efficiency and productivity. What nonvisual users
absolutely must have on the job is Microsoft 365, the version which runs
under Windows. Then, for a nonvisual user, a screen reader is definitely
indispensble(JAWS?).

Kind regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 6:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Office 365???

The office 365 screens the student is dealing with require a lot of
tabbing. She had an email with 46 attached training documents. they
were not set up the way Outlook 2016 does them, in a list where you
can copy them one at a time. Instead, each file had three buttons:
Filename, download button, more actions button. Clicking on the
download button took you away from the list, requiring 5 presses of
f6 to get back. then you had to tab past the three buttons for each
item you had already downloaded in order to get to the next one to
download. I tried with JAWS listing buttons, listing links, listing
forms ... Nothing worked. Just a lot of tabs--let's see, 46 times 3,
to be exact. Doable, but only with determination.




At 07:44 PM 8/10/2021, you wrote:
Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook, Excel,
and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the road, but
there is a veritable plethora of training materials for someone who has
never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking to be successful in
a
job should know Office products well enough to be able to adapt to an
employer's situation. For example, in my last two jobs, I was expected to
be
proficient with both Outlook and Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be
able to proficiently work with web browsing software (at that time,
Internet
Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a huge
issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that Microsoft Office
is
messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx










moderated Re: Office 365???

 

Ann,

Someone needs to take a look at settings, and from an accessibility standpoint.  What you describe is nothing like what the defaults typically are with any version of Office I've worked with.  I suspect that someone has decided to "get creative" with how they're setting things up in the organization without every having thought about accessibility at all.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Office 365???

Chris Hill
 

It works fine if you have the proper version.  There seems to be a sort of web version that is really difficult, and then the normal version which is just like any other version of office.  I ran into the web type version when I installed a new computer and windows asked me if I'd like to download office when I signed in with my microsoft account.  It downloaded that piece of junk, which was a nightmare.  I uninstalled it and went back in to their website and downloaded the real version.  Sounds like someone needs to have a discussion with the IT people.


CH

On 8/10/2021 16:55, Ann Byrne wrote:
My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365.   It's awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx





moderated Re: Office 365???

Ann Byrne
 

The office 365 screens the student is dealing with require a lot of tabbing. She had an email with 46 attached training documents. they were not set up the way Outlook 2016 does them, in a list where you can copy them one at a time. Instead, each file had three buttons: Filename, download button, more actions button. Clicking on the download button took you away from the list, requiring 5 presses of f6 to get back. then you had to tab past the three buttons for each item you had already downloaded in order to get to the next one to download. I tried with JAWS listing buttons, listing links, listing forms ... Nothing worked. Just a lot of tabs--let's see, 46 times 3, to be exact. Doable, but only with determination.

At 07:44 PM 8/10/2021, you wrote:
Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook, Excel,
and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the road, but
there is a veritable plethora of training materials for someone who has
never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking to be successful in a
job should know Office products well enough to be able to adapt to an
employer's situation. For example, in my last two jobs, I was expected to be
proficient with both Outlook and Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be
able to proficiently work with web browsing software (at that time, Internet
Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a huge
issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that Microsoft Office is
messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx










moderated Re: Office 365???

Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

It is impossible to answer this question without more specific information.
Blind people have been using Microsoft Office (e.g., Word, Outlook, Excel,
and PowerPoint) for decades. Yes, there are a few bumps in the road, but
there is a veritable plethora of training materials for someone who has
never worked with Office before. Anyone who is seeking to be successful in a
job should know Office products well enough to be able to adapt to an
employer's situation. For example, in my last two jobs, I was expected to be
proficient with both Outlook and Microsoft Word. I was also expected to be
able to proficiently work with web browsing software (at that time, Internet
Explorer).

If the student has some experience with Office, this should not pose a huge
issue. How is it that in your experience, you think that Microsoft Office is
messy?

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx


moderated Re: Office 365???

 

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 05:55 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's awfully messy!
-
Ann, I'm sorry, but Office 365 is, for the most part, the same as Office has been since Office 2016.

If the student is transitioning from any version older than, I'd say, 2013 then there will be aspects that are new to them.  But, even then, the most common things have used the same keyboard shortcuts for decades now.  It's additional bells and whistles that are available, and a very few keyboard shortcuts were supplanted. 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer


moderated Re: Office 365???

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

if you 


Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Aug 10, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Barbara Sheinbein <sheinbeinb@...> wrote:

Well just a comment.  I use Office 365 at home and had practically no
transition issues.  If the student is running into issues, I would guess it
is due to the network that is being used and how that was setup.

Barbara



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365.   It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx










If they are having to use it online; good luck. Perhaps calling Microsoft accessibility.
If they have an option to install the programs on their local drive, it is fine.
Or, perhaps FS support could help with the settings for online usage.


moderated Re: Office 365???

Barbara Sheinbein
 

Well just a comment. I use Office 365 at home and had practically no
transition issues. If the student is running into issues, I would guess it
is due to the network that is being used and how that was setup.

Barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Office 365???

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's
awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx


moderated Office 365???

Ann Byrne
 

My student, starting a new job, is supposed to use office 365. It's awfully messy!

Any hints on how to work with the stinker would be appreciated.

Thx


moderated Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Richard,

 

That is quite a coincidence. One of us must have been due some good karma. Oh that only I could have such positive results when using the correct hotkeys all the time.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 4:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Well Alan, that is quite a miracle. I meant, alt+r then w. I clearly need to proof read more carefully. I reached too far and got the number 4, which isn't even a command I had ever heard of.

Glad it worked out.

LOL,

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 



On Aug 10, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Thanks, Curtis. I’ll make a note in my Fusion hotkeys Excel file of the command to virtualize the window for reading with the up and down arrow keys.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Hello Alan:

 

There is a JAWS command you can use to virtualize the window. This is Alt plus Insert plus w. Then, the up or down arrow keys can be used to read the window. Works well on my system.

 

Also, let us not forget the JAWS command Alt plus Delete. This tells you the position of the cursor (in terms of inches from the left and top) on a printed page and the page number.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

I believe Microsoft must have changed the presentation of this information in a recent upgrade. While Insert  + PageDown hasn’t been reading the status bar info to me for a while, I’ve been able to get word count and other Microsoft Word document info by pressing Ctrl + shift + g no longer than a few weeks ago. Now, when I press this shortcut, a Word count dialog appears on the screen but Fusion no longer reads what it contains. I have to pass my cursor over the lines to get the info spoken. I’m running Fusion 2020 with Word 2019.

 

There is a checkbox setting at the bottom of the Word count dialog to include textboxes, footnotes, and endnotes and this is the only thing that Fusion reads when I try arrowing through the dialog. None of the actual count info is read.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

For some time the Jaws shortcut key has not told me how many words in my document. It tells me where I am in the document, i.e. which line and which page and if I press the shortcut at the end of the document, whether it has any spelling errors, but if I want to know how many words, then I have to press f6 and tab three times.

Alison

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 10 August 2021 03:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS
Importance: High

 

I contacted JAWS Tech Support today.  Best advice I got was to just use the F-6 key and read through all the info I wanted there instead of using a keystroke I’ve used for the past 21 years.  Oh well.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Greetings:

 

One option, time-consuming as it is, is to contact Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk, Office Support. I am running Microsoft 365 with the latest JAWS on Windows 10. I am not experiencing the same problem.

 

This one is difficult to troubleshoot from a distance.😊

 

Warmly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 5:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS
Importance: High

 

Yes, the window is maximized.  I’ve tried it with multiple documents, but with the same results.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Is the window maximized?

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 

 

On Aug 8, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Loreal Lavigna <loreallavigna@...> wrote:



Hey Mike,

 

So I did what you suggested and it seemed to work momentarily.  I restarted my computer, reopened the document I was working in, and pressed the JAWS key plus page down to read the status line.  It just says “Navigation.”  I checked the status line and made sure the things I wanted read were checked, and they are.  But it won’t read the status line with the keyboard shortcut.  Any suggestions?  For reference, I’m using a Windows 10 Professional 64-bit edition, with MS Office 365 Home and JAWS Professional 2021 with all updates up-to-date and installed.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 9:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Hi Loreal,

 

Try the following:


The insert key with the page down (3) key on the number pad can give you the info.  The page number should already be showing on the status bar but you
can add column and line number.  Move focus to the status bar by using function key 6.  Press the application key or Shift + F10 and use down arrow in the menu.  You
should find Column and Line Number and you can press enter key on each of those to check them if you want those items to show on the status bar along with
page number.  Press escape after checking the items you want.  Using the insert with number pad 3 should then read you all three of those items you mentioned.  

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 4:58 AM

Subject: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

I know I asked some months ago, but I’ve since upgraded everything on my laptop and cannot find this information.  I want to edit what is spoken in the status line when the JAWS key plus Page Down is pressed.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 


moderated Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well Alan, that is quite a miracle. I meant, alt+r then w. I clearly need to proof read more carefully. I reached too far and got the number 4, which isn't even a command I had ever heard of.
Glad it worked out.
LOL,

Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Aug 10, 2021, at 2:10 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Thanks, Curtis. I’ll make a note in my Fusion hotkeys Excel file of the command to virtualize the window for reading with the up and down arrow keys.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Hello Alan:

 

There is a JAWS command you can use to virtualize the window. This is Alt plus Insert plus w. Then, the up or down arrow keys can be used to read the window. Works well on my system.

 

Also, let us not forget the JAWS command Alt plus Delete. This tells you the position of the cursor (in terms of inches from the left and top) on a printed page and the page number.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

I believe Microsoft must have changed the presentation of this information in a recent upgrade. While Insert  + PageDown hasn’t been reading the status bar info to me for a while, I’ve been able to get word count and other Microsoft Word document info by pressing Ctrl + shift + g no longer than a few weeks ago. Now, when I press this shortcut, a Word count dialog appears on the screen but Fusion no longer reads what it contains. I have to pass my cursor over the lines to get the info spoken. I’m running Fusion 2020 with Word 2019.

 

There is a checkbox setting at the bottom of the Word count dialog to include textboxes, footnotes, and endnotes and this is the only thing that Fusion reads when I try arrowing through the dialog. None of the actual count info is read.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

For some time the Jaws shortcut key has not told me how many words in my document. It tells me where I am in the document, i.e. which line and which page and if I press the shortcut at the end of the document, whether it has any spelling errors, but if I want to know how many words, then I have to press f6 and tab three times.

Alison

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 10 August 2021 03:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS
Importance: High

 

I contacted JAWS Tech Support today.  Best advice I got was to just use the F-6 key and read through all the info I wanted there instead of using a keystroke I’ve used for the past 21 years.  Oh well.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Greetings:

 

One option, time-consuming as it is, is to contact Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk, Office Support. I am running Microsoft 365 with the latest JAWS on Windows 10. I am not experiencing the same problem.

 

This one is difficult to troubleshoot from a distance.😊

 

Warmly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 5:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS
Importance: High

 

Yes, the window is maximized.  I’ve tried it with multiple documents, but with the same results.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Is the window maximized?

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 

 

On Aug 8, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Loreal Lavigna <loreallavigna@...> wrote:



Hey Mike,

 

So I did what you suggested and it seemed to work momentarily.  I restarted my computer, reopened the document I was working in, and pressed the JAWS key plus page down to read the status line.  It just says “Navigation.”  I checked the status line and made sure the things I wanted read were checked, and they are.  But it won’t read the status line with the keyboard shortcut.  Any suggestions?  For reference, I’m using a Windows 10 Professional 64-bit edition, with MS Office 365 Home and JAWS Professional 2021 with all updates up-to-date and installed.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 9:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Hi Loreal,

 

Try the following:


The insert key with the page down (3) key on the number pad can give you the info.  The page number should already be showing on the status bar but you
can add column and line number.  Move focus to the status bar by using function key 6.  Press the application key or Shift + F10 and use down arrow in the menu.  You
should find Column and Line Number and you can press enter key on each of those to check them if you want those items to show on the status bar along with
page number.  Press escape after checking the items you want.  Using the insert with number pad 3 should then read you all three of those items you mentioned.  

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 4:58 AM

Subject: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

I know I asked some months ago, but I’ve since upgraded everything on my laptop and cannot find this information.  I want to edit what is spoken in the status line when the JAWS key plus Page Down is pressed.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 


moderated Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Thanks, Curtis. I’ll make a note in my Fusion hotkeys Excel file of the command to virtualize the window for reading with the up and down arrow keys.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Hello Alan:

 

There is a JAWS command you can use to virtualize the window. This is Alt plus Insert plus w. Then, the up or down arrow keys can be used to read the window. Works well on my system.

 

Also, let us not forget the JAWS command Alt plus Delete. This tells you the position of the cursor (in terms of inches from the left and top) on a printed page and the page number.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

I believe Microsoft must have changed the presentation of this information in a recent upgrade. While Insert  + PageDown hasn’t been reading the status bar info to me for a while, I’ve been able to get word count and other Microsoft Word document info by pressing Ctrl + shift + g no longer than a few weeks ago. Now, when I press this shortcut, a Word count dialog appears on the screen but Fusion no longer reads what it contains. I have to pass my cursor over the lines to get the info spoken. I’m running Fusion 2020 with Word 2019.

 

There is a checkbox setting at the bottom of the Word count dialog to include textboxes, footnotes, and endnotes and this is the only thing that Fusion reads when I try arrowing through the dialog. None of the actual count info is read.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

For some time the Jaws shortcut key has not told me how many words in my document. It tells me where I am in the document, i.e. which line and which page and if I press the shortcut at the end of the document, whether it has any spelling errors, but if I want to know how many words, then I have to press f6 and tab three times.

Alison

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 10 August 2021 03:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS
Importance: High

 

I contacted JAWS Tech Support today.  Best advice I got was to just use the F-6 key and read through all the info I wanted there instead of using a keystroke I’ve used for the past 21 years.  Oh well.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Greetings:

 

One option, time-consuming as it is, is to contact Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk, Office Support. I am running Microsoft 365 with the latest JAWS on Windows 10. I am not experiencing the same problem.

 

This one is difficult to troubleshoot from a distance.😊

 

Warmly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 5:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS
Importance: High

 

Yes, the window is maximized.  I’ve tried it with multiple documents, but with the same results.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Is the window maximized?

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 

 

On Aug 8, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Loreal Lavigna <loreallavigna@...> wrote:



Hey Mike,

 

So I did what you suggested and it seemed to work momentarily.  I restarted my computer, reopened the document I was working in, and pressed the JAWS key plus page down to read the status line.  It just says “Navigation.”  I checked the status line and made sure the things I wanted read were checked, and they are.  But it won’t read the status line with the keyboard shortcut.  Any suggestions?  For reference, I’m using a Windows 10 Professional 64-bit edition, with MS Office 365 Home and JAWS Professional 2021 with all updates up-to-date and installed.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 9:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Hi Loreal,

 

Try the following:


The insert key with the page down (3) key on the number pad can give you the info.  The page number should already be showing on the status bar but you
can add column and line number.  Move focus to the status bar by using function key 6.  Press the application key or Shift + F10 and use down arrow in the menu.  You
should find Column and Line Number and you can press enter key on each of those to check them if you want those items to show on the status bar along with
page number.  Press escape after checking the items you want.  Using the insert with number pad 3 should then read you all three of those items you mentioned.  

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 4:58 AM

Subject: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

I know I asked some months ago, but I’ve since upgraded everything on my laptop and cannot find this information.  I want to edit what is spoken in the status line when the JAWS key plus Page Down is pressed.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 


moderated Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Richard,

 

Thanks for this suggestion. When I pressed alt + 4, an optimize spacing between commands setting opened in Word 2019 with a choice between Mouse and Touch. I selected Touch and now when I press ctrl + shift + g in a word document, the word count dialog is read by Fusion in its entirety.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Try, alt+4, followed by w.

 

You get this in an empty document:

Word Count dialog‑
Statistics:
Pages
1
Words
0
Characters (no spaces)
0
Characters (with spaces)
0
Paragraphs
0
Lines
0
Close Button‑

 

I get the same thing with control+shift+g.

 

But, this does not tell you where you are in the document line the status line should.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

I believe Microsoft must have changed the presentation of this information in a recent upgrade. While Insert  + PageDown hasn’t been reading the status bar info to me for a while, I’ve been able to get word count and other Microsoft Word document info by pressing Ctrl + shift + g no longer than a few weeks ago. Now, when I press this shortcut, a Word count dialog appears on the screen but Fusion no longer reads what it contains. I have to pass my cursor over the lines to get the info spoken. I’m running Fusion 2020 with Word 2019.

 

There is a checkbox setting at the bottom of the Word count dialog to include textboxes, footnotes, and endnotes and this is the only thing that Fusion reads when I try arrowing through the dialog. None of the actual count info is read.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

For some time the Jaws shortcut key has not told me how many words in my document. It tells me where I am in the document, i.e. which line and which page and if I press the shortcut at the end of the document, whether it has any spelling errors, but if I want to know how many words, then I have to press f6 and tab three times.

Alison

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: 10 August 2021 03:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS
Importance: High

 

I contacted JAWS Tech Support today.  Best advice I got was to just use the F-6 key and read through all the info I wanted there instead of using a keystroke I’ve used for the past 21 years.  Oh well.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Greetings:

 

One option, time-consuming as it is, is to contact Microsoft’s Disability Answer Desk, Office Support. I am running Microsoft 365 with the latest JAWS on Windows 10. I am not experiencing the same problem.

 

This one is difficult to troubleshoot from a distance.😊

 

Warmly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loreal Lavigna
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 5:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS
Importance: High

 

Yes, the window is maximized.  I’ve tried it with multiple documents, but with the same results.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Is the window maximized?

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 

 

On Aug 8, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Loreal Lavigna <loreallavigna@...> wrote:



Hey Mike,

 

So I did what you suggested and it seemed to work momentarily.  I restarted my computer, reopened the document I was working in, and pressed the JAWS key plus page down to read the status line.  It just says “Navigation.”  I checked the status line and made sure the things I wanted read were checked, and they are.  But it won’t read the status line with the keyboard shortcut.  Any suggestions?  For reference, I’m using a Windows 10 Professional 64-bit edition, with MS Office 365 Home and JAWS Professional 2021 with all updates up-to-date and installed.

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 9:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

Hi Loreal,

 

Try the following:


The insert key with the page down (3) key on the number pad can give you the info.  The page number should already be showing on the status bar but you
can add column and line number.  Move focus to the status bar by using function key 6.  Press the application key or Shift + F10 and use down arrow in the menu.  You
should find Column and Line Number and you can press enter key on each of those to check them if you want those items to show on the status bar along with
page number.  Press escape after checking the items you want.  Using the insert with number pad 3 should then read you all three of those items you mentioned.  

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 4:58 AM

Subject: Editing the status line in Word with JAWS

 

I know I asked some months ago, but I’ve since upgraded everything on my laptop and cannot find this information.  I want to edit what is spoken in the status line when the JAWS key plus Page Down is pressed.  Thanks in advance for any help!

 

Sincerely,

Loreal Lavigna

General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist

Phone:  (518)330-5188

E-Mail:  LorealLavigna@...

Website:  Click here for Transcripts By Loreal

 


moderated Re: latest JAWS and zoom

Bill White
 

Hi, Cynthia. To stop the announcement of “to move to an item press the arrow keys”,

 

1. Bring up JAWS>Options>Basics.

2. Change the setting from

 

Tutor Messages Announce menu and control help radio button‑ checked‑

 

to

 

Tutor Messages Turn off menu and control help radio button‑ checked‑

 

3. TAB to the OK button, and press Space or Enter.

4. This should fix the problem without having to change the verbocity levels.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: latest JAWS and zoom

 

Hi All,

 

I have the most recent versions of JAWS and zoom, and I notice that when I am reading the chat list or the participants that every time I arrow down JAWS reads “to move to an item press the arrow keys” before it reads the actual item. Is there a way to stop this?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: latest JAWS and zoom

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

It sounds like your verbosity level is on beginner.

You can change this by pressing insert+6 on the number row.

Search for speech verbosity.

Arrow down and press space on speech verbosity.  That should toggle you through the different settings.

I like Jaws to say as little as possible so I keep mine on advanced.

HTH,

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: latest JAWS and zoom

 

Hi All,

 

I have the most recent versions of JAWS and zoom, and I notice that when I am reading the chat list or the participants that every time I arrow down JAWS reads “to move to an item press the arrow keys” before it reads the actual item. Is there a way to stop this?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


moderated latest JAWS and zoom

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi All,

 

I have the most recent versions of JAWS and zoom, and I notice that when I am reading the chat list or the participants that every time I arrow down JAWS reads “to move to an item press the arrow keys” before it reads the actual item. Is there a way to stop this?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia

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