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moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

I think that's what Glen and I were trying to tell *you* lol

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

The desktop icon is just a shortcut. It will not uninstall the older version
of JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Life in Six Dots
 

Hi Maria, not me. I find loading and unloading a screen reader is easier using shortcuts. Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Who thinks invoking JAWS from the run command line is easier than using
a shortcut key or just typing j at the desktop?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 8/3/2021 4:37 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford










































moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Life in Six Dots
 

The desktop icon is just a shortcut. It will not uninstall the older version
of JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Kevin Minor
 

Hi.

I think a problem with having a hot key automatically installed for JAWS is the different versions on a PC could be confused. I can picture someone invoking a version of JAWS, doing a lot of modifications for it to work with programs. Then they reboot, and JAWS starts. They try to use the modifications they made, and they don't work. After much frustration and messages to lists, it is discovered a different version of JAWS was used.

Also, for those who recommend the INSERT key be used for JAWS commands, not all keyboards have that key on them. It's why the laptop layout is there.

Just some thoughts.

Kevin and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Who thinks invoking JAWS from the run command line is easier than using a shortcut key or just typing j at the desktop?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 8/3/2021 4:37 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford










































moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

I also often do this, especially if I need to see if something is working better under a different JAWS version.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Me. This why I know exactly what version I am running, don't have to bother with different hotkeys or yet more unnecessary desktop icons (and you sometimes don't know where those are or how many times to hit j to get the one you want). It takes less than a second for me to type "jaws2020" or whatever.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Who thinks invoking JAWS from the run command line is easier than using a shortcut key or just typing j at the desktop?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 8/3/2021 4:37 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford










































moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

Me. This why I know exactly what version I am running, don't have to bother with different hotkeys or yet more unnecessary desktop icons (and you sometimes don't know where those are or how many times to hit j to get the one you want). It takes less than a second for me to type "jaws2020" or whatever.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Who thinks invoking JAWS from the run command line is easier than using a shortcut key or just typing j at the desktop?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 8/3/2021 4:37 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f
640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636179431704163%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e
yJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford










































moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Maria Campbell
 

Who thinks invoking JAWS from the run command line is easier than using a shortcut key or just typing j at the desktop?


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 8/3/2021 4:37 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f
640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636179431704163%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e
yJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp
;sdata=cGMqAO068gdu2%2FBD1kIctv2HuaN2GKGY%2FB9inB9FyWY%3D&amp;reserved=0

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford









































moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

Yep. I do realise this and even alluded to it in my comment, but it needn't
have a desktop icon or shortcut just because it's there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business) As far as I know NVDA
has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll delete the shortcut
first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Glenn / Lenny
 

Removing the icon from the desktop is not removing the program.
It's just a shortcut.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Life in Six Dots" <hello@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly


But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business)
As far as I know NVDA has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll
delete the shortcut first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford




































moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Life in Six Dots
 

But keeping an older version of JAWS is sometimes handy. Such as a
discontinued feature or your current version goes screwy. I don't call that
making things complicated? Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business)
As far as I know NVDA has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll
delete the shortcut first and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

I've been using JAWS for windows for quite some time and not once do I
remember instalation automaticallys etting up a hotkey; I had to do it
myself. I currently don't even bother with a jaws hotkey, I just run
whatever version from the run dialogue box.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f
640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636179431704163%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

Or, you know, just delete the jaws 2020 desktop shortcut before you install
j2021. Or assign it a different hotkey before you install. Gosh, people make
things seem so much complicated than they are (not you, just saying, in
general...hotkeys are just not a complicated business)
As far as I know NVDA has not dropped it. Maybe next time I update NVDA I'll
delete the shortcut first and see what happens.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Life in Six Dots
Sent: August 3, 2021 04:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut
CTRL+ALT+CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Life in Six Dots
 

They dropped it earlier than that. The trouble was if you have say
CTRL+ALT+J setup on JAWS 2020 and upgraded to 2021, the shortcut CTRL+ALT+J
would open JAWS 2020 not 2021. To make it open JAWS 2021, you would first
have to unallocated the keyboard shortcut to JAWS 2020, then reassign it to
JAWS 2021. That seemed to cause a lot of confusion so they stopped adding it
by default. I think NVDA have only recently dropped adding CTRL+ALT+N by
default recently though.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many
complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and
such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate
control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f
640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636179431704163%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Life in Six Dots
 

Hi all,

It is easy to load and unload both screen readers once you have them setup
correctly.

By default both JAWS and NVDA have a keyboard shortcut to shut them down:

JAWS: Insert + F4
NVDA: Insert + Q

You need to go into the settings to stop them asking if you would like to
quit the screen reader. The fast way to do that in JAWS is to run the Start
Up Wizard and uncheck "Prompt to confirm when exiting JAWS". With NVDA it
can be found in the General section of Settings.

To start each screen reader you will need to setup a keyboard shortcut in
Properties. For JAWS set is as: CTRL+ALT+J. For NVDA set is as CTRL+ALT+N.

Once that is done it is very easy to load and unload each screen reader.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 03 August 2021 21:06
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a
default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to
the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt +
Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Boy, you had me worried there, I have already been wrong twice this year and it's only just August! Had I been wrong with this there would have been no more room if I wanted to end this year with no more than 3 times 😊

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

 

You are right.

They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020.  There were too many complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and such.

 

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate control+alt+j when needed.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

 

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt + Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner

Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

 

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4.  There is a setting that you can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away.  Otherwise, there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

 

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q.  That too has an option to have it close without confirmation.

 

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is customizable.

NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

 

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.

.

 

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C2a17969765274551884208d956ba1213%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637636179431704163%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=cGMqAO068gdu2%2FBD1kIctv2HuaN2GKGY%2FB9inB9FyWY%3D&amp;reserved=0

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj

Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

 

Hi,

 

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

 

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on and off?

 

 

Warmly,

Rahul

 

--

--

Rahul Bajaj

Senior Resident Fellow,

Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

You are right.
They dropped it I think with either Jaws 2021 or 2020. There were too many complaints about Jaws not respecting the hotkey setting when updating and such.

I forgot about that because I always just go ahead and recreate control+alt+j when needed.

Thanks,


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt + Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise, there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

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moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Richard, I might be wrong here, but I don't think the Jaws shortcut has a default shortcut associated with it. Of course it's easy to do by going to the properties of the shortcut on the desktop and assigning either Alt + Control + J or, my personal preference, Control + Shift + J.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise, there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

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Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Don Mauck
 

I believe that the original hotkey for NvDA is alt+control+N.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Literally. The only thing the desktop is useful for for a blind person is creating hotkeys.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise, there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

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Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

Literally. The only thing the desktop is useful for for a blind person is
creating hotkeys.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Jaws default hotkey to close Jaws is insert+f4. There is a setting that you
can make it so there is no confirmation, it just goes away. Otherwise,
there will be an OK to hit confirming you want to close Jaws.

The hotkey for NVDA is insert+q. That too has an option to have it close
without confirmation.

Normally, the default hotkey to start Jaws is Control+alt+j though that is
customizable.
NVDA defaults to Control+alt+n, but again, tha tis customizable.

You need never go to the desktop to accomplish what you want.
.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how it
deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process to do so
is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop, turning off jaws,
turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and NVDA on
and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

--
--
Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and
Linacre 2018) University of Oxford


moderated Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

JM Casey
 

Check to see if there is a desktop shortcut. This is what allows you to create a hotkey. You can do this yourself by going into the properties of the shortcut (press alt-enter or use the context menu).

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Great. I am able to use 3 out of the 4 that Richard mentioned. Just not control+alt+j to turn jaws on.

Rahul

On 04/08/2021, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Screenreader-key plus f4 for jaws. Screenreader key + q for nvda. By
default you have to press enter in both programmes after executing the
keystroke to confirm that you want to quit the screen-reader. I know
you can change this in NVDA; not sure about JAWS (someone above seemed
to suggest you could,
though)


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Sorry. What are their shutdown and loading hotkeys? I am not aware of
these.

Rahul

On 04/08/2021, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Hi.

As these programmes are not designed to work together, there's no
toggle or anything, if that’s' what you're after.
But why are you going to the desktop? That does seem like an
unnecessary step.
Both programmes have a keystroke that is meant to unload them.
I suppose if you really wanted you could make some kind of script to
unload one and load the other. Then maybe you could put it on the
desktop and set up a hotkey for it. But it seems like more trouble
than it's worth when all you have to do is hit a couple of keystrokes.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: August 3, 2021 03:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Seamlessly switching from JAWS to NVDA on the fly

Hi,

I sometimes switch over to NVDA from JAWS, in order to determine how
it deals with something that jaws is struggling with. But the process
to do so is slightly cumbersome. It requires going to desktop,
turning off jaws, turning on nvda and then going back to where I was.

Is there a way to switch on the fly? Or at least to turn JAWS and
NVDA on and off?


Warmly,
Rahul

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Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India
and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford











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Rahul Bajaj
Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India
and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford











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Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford

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