On Jul 30, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:



Hi Brian,

 

I’m not robin, but I just tried Control + > and Control + Less in a relatively long thread I have with my accountant regarding the 2020 year end for my company and first of all while this may not be an issue visually, there is a lot of extra babbling going on with Jaws when using Control + > whereas when I just press N it goes to the beginning of the next message and starts reading it.

I also noticed that Control + Greater often skips many messages in the thread whereas the Jaws quick nav key does not. Maybe Control + Greater does this, but it seems that the way Vispero has implemented this does it more nicely for a Jaws user.

You could say the same thing for Windows Key + B and Jaws Key + F11, both let you access the system tray, the first is a Windows shortcut and the second is a Jaws shortcut. I typically use Jaws Key + F11 because I can then use first letter navigation and I simply find it a more convenient way to do this.

 

Sent: July 30, 2021 9:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: new n quick navigation in Outlook messages is amazing

 

Robin,

What follows is not meant to be critical in any way, but just to clarify things for me.

Can you tell me how this new command differs from the Outlook built-in keyboard shortcuts, when you're reading a message in its own window that's part of a conversation (AKA thread), where CTRL + < shoots you to the previous item in the thread, and CTRL + > shoots you to the next item in a thread, in the same reading window?
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

Robin,

What follows is not meant to be critical in any way, but just to clarify things for me.

Can you tell me how this new command differs from the Outlook built-in keyboard shortcuts, when you're reading a message in its own window that's part of a conversation (AKA thread), where CTRL + < shoots you to the previous item in the thread, and CTRL + > shoots you to the next item in a thread, in the same reading window?
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

I finally got the July release installed on my work PC today (jumping from the Feb release).  I’d also just learned about the N quick navigation keystroke within messages.  This is so amazing!  If you haven’t heard about it, pressing “N” while in an open message that has a back and forth with others allows you to jump to the top of each previous message in the thread.  I am so excited about how helpful this will be here at work, where conversation threadss get long, especially when people have long signature files or many others were copied on the message. 

Just wanted to be sure others saw this feature. 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

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Hi everyone

Whilst on leave watching the Olympics, I’ve finally noticed a number of what looks like recent shortcuts below the search edit box on the Google homepage. With mouse echo turned on, I can tell they are links to either sites I visit frequently. However, JAWS does not recognize them as links. They do come up if you use JAWS Key+Ctrl+B to display a list of buttons but the text for all options says “More Actions Button”.

You can tab to them but again, JAWS only reads “More Actions Button”. It is only by using Mouse Echo that JAWS will read what they are. This appears to be a quicker way to get to some favourite websites from the home screen rather than going into the menus.

Has anyone used these and if so, is labelling the buttons using the custom label feature the best option?

Cheers

Mark

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Principal - HR Systems
Water Corporation 

Hi!

I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Whenever I open a PDF, Adobe automatically goes into a mode where it “prepares the document for reading.”  How do I stop this automatic action?  Below is a bit more important information about this?

Basically, I want to know if this is a user specific setting.  My PC has three user accounts.  While I *do* want this automatic action for my account since I am blind, I *do not* want it to automatically do this for the other two user accounts since those users are not blind.

Thanks,

Richard

What printers are accessible?

I am interesting in bying one and I'd like to be able to work with it using jaws?

Justin

On Jul 29, 2021, at 6:51 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:



What printers are accessible?

 

I am interesting in bying one and I'd like to be able to work with it using jaws?

 

Justin

 

 

For now, in conclusion…

Brian was kind to spend some time and review the Starbucks email.

He found the coding logic and design confusing.

He was unable to recommend a workable solution.

Thus, since he and the Jaws Help folks agreed that I was asking about a difficult problem, I am going back to Starbucks Support to elevate this issue since it affects all Windows screen reader customers.

One month ago, this was not an issue. They had a working process that was easy and did the job.

Why did they break something that was not broke?

Yes, I could read the email on my iPhone and use Voiceover or I could ask my sighted wife to click  on the Join button, but I would prefer to correct the cause of the problem, rather than use a workaround at this time.

Thanks again to Brian and others for your ideas and assistance.

I will keep you posted.

Onward,

Ken

Brian, Starbucks sends the user/customer an email that has the ‘join the promo’ link, which is being read by Outlook from Office365 (and BTW I am at the latest version of Jaws).

I never get to the Starbucks website to hear ‘congratulations you have joined the promo’ message.

I would be happy to share the email with you. My email address is

kenchernack@....

Thanks.

Ken

Is the web page something that can be shared here, or must one log in to get to it?

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

Brian, Starbucks sends the user/customer an email that has the ‘join the promo’ link, which is being read by Outlook from Office365 (and BTW I am at the latest version of Jaws).

I never get to the Starbucks website to hear ‘congratulations you have joined the promo’ message.

I would be happy to share the email with you. My email address is

kenchernack@....

Thanks.

Ken

Is the web page something that can be shared here, or must one log in to get to it?

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected.

    ~ William Plomer

On Jul 29, 2021, at 09:23, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

If you don't want Jaws to start reading the page automatically you can turn that off.
To do so, press Jaws Key + 6 on the number row to load the Settings Centre, press Control + Shift + D to load default settings, then type "auto" in the search box and tab once to the results. You can also find this in Web / HTML / PDFs > Reading if you don't want to use the search feature, it's the fourth item in that list and it says the following:

Document and Web Pages Automatically Read When Loaded checked
Here is the description for this setting:
When selected, JAWS automatically begins reading web pages and PDF documents when loaded. Clear this check box if you do not want JAWS to automatically begin reading.
Disabling this option is especially useful if you are using JAWS in conjunction with screen magnification software as the focus is not unexpectedly moved back to the top while you are using the mouse to navigate through the document.
This checkbox is selected by default when only JAWS is running and is cleared by default when using ZoomText Fusion or FSReader.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: July 28, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about Jaws 2021 jumping

Hi.

When you get to a problem site, is JAWS starting to read the page, and if so, are you immediately attempting to navigate without first hitting CTRL to stop reading it? It's the problem that I have, and what fixes it for me is to hit CTRL to silence JAWS, and then things work as expected.

Hope this works for you.

Kevin and Jilly

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zachary Morris
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question about Jaws 2021 jumping

Hello all,

I am a new user to this email list. I've had Jaws since around 2018; I only initially used it as a secondary screen reader. I always heard that Jaws was a fantastic screen reader to use. However, in my discovery, I was configuring Jaws from scratch, and after I was done configuring, minus the speech/sound schemes, whenever I went onto different websites using Google Chrome, a good example is www.reddit.com or youtube.com, but when I either used the arrow keys, or the h key to cycle through headings, it would start jumping me to the top, or bottom of the page, or to a completely different part of the page, etc.. Would anybody be willing to help me troubleshoot the problem? I'm using the latest version of Jaws 2021. I can give the backup file if anyone wishes to help troubleshoot. Either that, or if any Freedom Scientific representatives are on this mailing list, are there any common settings that could cause this jumping?

Sincerely,

Zach