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Re: Reading spaces in a Word Doc

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Turn on text analyzer.

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Subject: Reading spaces in a Word Doc

Hi JAWS Users
Does JAWS have the ability to read the spaces in a Word document?
I am using W7 and Word 2007.
I am proof reading a long document, and sometimes I will hit the space bar
twice, so I want to fix this in the document.
John


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Re: Reading spaces in a Word Doc

Dave...
 

John,

Rather than trying to find those double spaces manually, just do this:

Ctrl+H for search and replace
2. Type two spaces in the find field.
3. Tab and type a single space in the replace field.
4. Alt+a to find and replace all.
5. Press Enter on okay when it's done, and press Alt+A again to find any
more (you might have some triple-spaces or more that need trimming.
6. Repeat until zero occurrences are found.
7. Escape out of the dialog.


Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United
States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7

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Subject: Reading spaces in a Word Doc


Hi JAWS Users
Does JAWS have the ability to read the spaces in a Word document?
I am using W7 and Word 2007.
I am proof reading a long document, and sometimes I will hit the space bar
twice, so I want to fix this in the document.
John


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Re: Reading text with colors

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Hi Lee Anne,

Ah, you know what I'm working on. I did find that by pressing the next
button on the Display for Markup toolbar, that I did at least move to the
next markup point. In earlier Jaws, I could then read what it said, but now
it is silent and I had to press escape to get back to the text, and then try
and figure out the change. So much for Jaws progress. I hate having to try
and figure out how Jaws now works or doesn't work when I'm kind of in a
hurry. lol.

I'll try Ed's suggestions and see how it goes.

Jean

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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: Reading text with colors


This is an issue. I had to use sighted help to evaluate the feedback. As
much of a pain as it is, you might have to get sighted help or try to hear
where the feedback is different. Also I heard on a list you could "merge"
the 2 documents and then you could tell where the differences were but I
have never done that.

I am sorry I can't be of more help...

Lee Anne

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Subject: Reading text with colors

I'm using Jaws 13 and Word 2003. I'm working with documents with text markup
done in red. I need to hear the color changes within the lines of text. I've
set the Speech and Sounds manager to Colors, and Jaws will indicate color
change if an entire paragraph is a different color, but not if the color is
on only a couple of words. I've also tried the Attributes and Colors, as
that would be my preferred choice of manager for these docs. But I get the
same. Jaws only indicates the color for a paragraph, not for changed words.

What am I missing?

Thanks.

Jean
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Re: Reading text with colors

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

Thanks for the confirmation that the color reading is kind of useless. And
thanks for the info on tracked changes. I'll give it a try.

Jean

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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: Reading text with colors


Again, this is for JAWS 12. I have no faith in JAWS 13; however,
If you go into the verbosity selection (insert plus v), go to track changes
and turn on track changes detection. Have JAWS announce both the number and
the type.
Turn on track changes in your document with control plus shift plus e.
JAWS will read as though the changes were accepted, but on lines with
changes JAWS will announce same. Then use control plus arrow keys.


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On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Reading text with colors

Can you back up and try JAWS 12.
I have no problem with JAWS 12 and reading colors exactly as you say you
want to do.


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On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:07 AM
To: JFW list
Subject: Reading text with colors

I'm using Jaws 13 and Word 2003. I'm working with documents with text markup
done in red. I need to hear the color changes within the lines of text. I've
set the Speech and Sounds manager to Colors, and Jaws will indicate color
change if an entire paragraph is a different color, but not if the color is
on only a couple of words. I've also tried the Attributes and Colors, as
that would be my preferred choice of manager for these docs. But I get the
same. Jaws only indicates the color for a paragraph, not for changed words.

What am I missing?

Thanks.

Jean
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Re: Reading spaces in a Word Doc

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

It might be easier to do a search for two spaces and evaluate that way. JMO.

Jean

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Subject: Reading spaces in a Word Doc


Hi JAWS Users
Does JAWS have the ability to read the spaces in a Word document?
I am using W7 and Word 2007.
I am proof reading a long document, and sometimes I will hit the space bar
twice, so I want to fix this in the document.
John


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Reading spaces in a Word Doc

John ESherrer
 

Hi JAWS Users
Does JAWS have the ability to read the spaces in a Word document?
I am using W7 and Word 2007.
I am proof reading a long document, and sometimes I will hit the space bar
twice, so I want to fix this in the document.
John


Re: FW: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Soronel Haetir
 

Regarding load times, I sure wish it would let us save whatever
processing it does to create the accessibility tags. It lets the
document authors, but not us, the consumers.

I've even found documents that I know have fancy tables because they
were properly formatted when I could see but now that I can't jaws
presents them as a scrambled mess. Thankfully I recently bought a PDF
scanning program and that's doing a good job so far (using Reader's
built-in save-as-text presents the information in the same messed up
order that jaws sees).

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
Obviously, this came before bill's suggestion. I've fooled around with
the various ways of presenting, and will have to try that on one of the
troublesome documents at the house. Almost any product manual will
qualify.

Ted

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DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

The load time is a problem, but I've found the whole program rather
skittish with long documents. Part of this may be a JAWS interaction,
but I have encountered a lot of repetition problems, wherein the program
backs up and reads a passage several times. Worse, Under AR 9 with XP
PRO (here at work) there have been an inordinate number of crashes, some
of which required resorting to Task Manager. I'd like to think the
situation is improving under Win 7.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

I find this interesting because I have to read manuals more than a
thousand pages all the time and I have no issues. It does take a long
time to load but once loaded it works fine. I will often save it as
text or run it through kurzweil to convert to word because of the load
time which can be five to ten minutes which is to long when I want to
look up stuff.
I am using XP pro sp3 jaws 11 and reader 9.
Regards
Tom Bisset
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: April 10, 2012 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB ram
system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize the
entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by
the same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of
various sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are
primitive to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total
bust.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of
the reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or
load a page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to
advance through a large document by pages, you also have the problem
of not being able to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond
your current page in the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time.
That was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

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Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash
every time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only,
my question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you
still get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get
jaws to annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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FW: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Obviously, this came before bill's suggestion. I've fooled around with
the various ways of presenting, and will have to try that on one of the
troublesome documents at the house. Almost any product manual will
qualify.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS
DMS)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

The load time is a problem, but I've found the whole program rather
skittish with long documents. Part of this may be a JAWS interaction,
but I have encountered a lot of repetition problems, wherein the program
backs up and reads a passage several times. Worse, Under AR 9 with XP
PRO (here at work) there have been an inordinate number of crashes, some
of which required resorting to Task Manager. I'd like to think the
situation is improving under Win 7.

Ted

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

I find this interesting because I have to read manuals more than a
thousand pages all the time and I have no issues. It does take a long
time to load but once loaded it works fine. I will often save it as
text or run it through kurzweil to convert to word because of the load
time which can be five to ten minutes which is to long when I want to
look up stuff.
I am using XP pro sp3 jaws 11 and reader 9.
Regards
Tom Bisset
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: April 10, 2012 9:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB ram
system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize the
entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by
the same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of
various sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are
primitive to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total
bust.

Ted

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of
the reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or
load a page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to
advance through a large document by pages, you also have the problem
of not being able to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond
your current page in the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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From: "Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)" <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov>
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time.
That was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com
[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash
every time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only,
my question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you
still get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get
jaws to annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: IE 8 verses Firefox 11

Cristóbal
 

A ctl+J command and the downloads should come up with download percentages
and download speed. IE copied this feature in IE 9 from the looks of it.

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On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:11 AM
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Subject: Re: IE 8 verses Firefox 11

One thing I don't like about Firefox, at least up to now, is that I can't
get it to give me a spoken percentage of the file(s) which are downloading.
I have to go to the list box and look at the amount in size which has been
downloaded. If anyone knows how to change this behavior, I'd appreciate
knowing how to accomplish this.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:48 AM
Subject: RE: IE 8 verses Firefox 11


Firefox is much more customizable with all its plug-ins and generally I
prefer it over IE because of this, but at least in my case, I've found the
last few releases of Jaws to be over all more responsive with IE than
Firefox. The last good Jaws version that I had luck with Firefox was JFW 11.
That said, both browsers work with Jaws.

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On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: IE 8 verses Firefox 11

Just the selection of plugins really (webvisum in particular) makes me
prefer Firefox for general use.

But there are a few Microsoft sites that really do work better with IE and
so I switch for those.

On 4/9/12, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@gmail.com> wrote:
What is ecosystem for?
Thanks,
Angela.


Il 10/04/2012 07:57, Soronel Haetir ha scritto:
Honestly, both work pretty well with most sites.

I use Firefox most of the time, but that's mostly because I prefer
the Firefox plugin ecosystem than because I have accessibility
trouble with one or the other.

On 4/9/12, Dondi from the valley of the sun<zidnod63@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,



I'm looking for opinions as to how does IE 8 compare with Firefox
11? Is Firefox 11 JAWS 13 accessible? And has anyone moved from IE 8
to Firefox
11
and likes it better?



And I have always heard that IE 9 was something to avoid because of
the inaccessibility with JAWS 13. Is this still true?



Dondi

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

The same would probably apply when reading directly from AR. It's
awkward, and provides very little control, but I'll bet it would be
reasonably stable, if you have a voice you can stand. Windows 7 has a
lady who's worlds better than Microsoft Sam, and Any SAPI 5 ought to
work.

Ted

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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:35 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

With my 4 GB ram which sounds very little now lol, I closed jaws and let
someone sighted navigate the 1200 page document in adobe reader and they
had no problems with it so it seems that it's a jaws problem or
limitation.

On 4/10/12, Farfar and His Trusty Guide Beamer <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Soronel.

Hard to get my head around that much RAM, but so be it.

Looks like it's either how Acrobat handles the memory management, or
how JAWS is interacting with same. I'd wonder if there's someone you
can turn to who can observe the on-screen activity with the same large
document, and JAWS unloaded? Does JAWS cause the slowdown, or is it
inherent in Acrobat/Adobe?

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 07:19
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


No, I do in fact mean 32gb of physical ram. It's an 8 core Xeon (dual
quads) with about 10tb HDD capacity now.

The main thing I use all that capability for is running virtual
machines. It's way easier to perform initial debugging of windows
drivers under non-starvation conditions.

The thing is, even with a system as ridiculously overpowered as what
I've got, acrobat reader still crawls on documents larger than 600
pages or so.

On 4/10/12, Farfar and His Trusty Guide Beamer
<dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
A 32 Gb RAM system? That's an incredible amount of RAM. Did you mean
a 32-bit machine? Or do you have a 32G swap drive set up?



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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 06:25
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB
ram system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize
the entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5
had an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with
640K plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the
UK by the same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on
documents of various sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search
capabilities are primitive to nonexistent. The last time I tried
FoxIt, it was a total bust.

Ted

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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
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Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an
entirely different way than the current version. With the current
version of the reader, documents either load entirely into the
virtual buffer or load a page at a time. In addition to the problem
of having to advance through a large document by pages, you also
have the problem of not being able to use the JAWS search feature to
find text beyond your current page in the document. Don't think
there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe
it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time.
That was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

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Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like
1200 pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document
jaws annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers
ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash
every time. The other option is to read currently visible pages
only, my question is, when reading currently visible pages only,
can you still get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically
and get jaws to annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: IE 8 verses Firefox 11

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

One thing I don't like about Firefox, at least up to now, is that I can't get it to give me a spoken percentage of the file(s) which are downloading. I have to go to the list box and look at the amount in size which has been downloaded. If anyone knows how to change this behavior, I'd appreciate knowing how to accomplish this.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:48 AM
Subject: RE: IE 8 verses Firefox 11


Firefox is much more customizable with all its plug-ins and generally I
prefer it over IE because of this, but at least in my case, I've found the
last few releases of Jaws to be over all more responsive with IE than
Firefox. The last good Jaws version that I had luck with Firefox was JFW 11.
That said, both browsers work with Jaws.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com]
On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: IE 8 verses Firefox 11

Just the selection of plugins really (webvisum in particular) makes me
prefer Firefox for general use.

But there are a few Microsoft sites that really do work better with IE and
so I switch for those.

On 4/9/12, Angela Delicata <angeladelicata@gmail.com> wrote:
What is ecosystem for?
Thanks,
Angela.


Il 10/04/2012 07:57, Soronel Haetir ha scritto:
Honestly, both work pretty well with most sites.

I use Firefox most of the time, but that's mostly because I prefer
the Firefox plugin ecosystem than because I have accessibility
trouble with one or the other.

On 4/9/12, Dondi from the valley of the sun<zidnod63@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Everyone,



I'm looking for opinions as to how does IE 8 compare with Firefox
11? Is Firefox 11 JAWS 13 accessible? And has anyone moved from IE 8
to Firefox
11
and likes it better?



And I have always heard that IE 9 was something to avoid because of
the inaccessibility with JAWS 13. Is this still true?



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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

The load time is a problem, but I've found the whole program rather
skittish with long documents. Part of this may be a JAWS interaction,
but I have encountered a lot of repetition problems, wherein the program
backs up and reads a passage several times. Worse, Under AR 9 with XP
PRO (here at work) there have been an inordinate number of crashes, some
of which required resorting to Task Manager. I'd like to think the
situation is improving under Win 7.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

I find this interesting because I have to read manuals more than a
thousand pages all the time and I have no issues. It does take a long
time to load but once loaded it works fine. I will often save it as
text or run it through kurzweil to convert to word because of the load
time which can be five to ten minutes which is to long when I want to
look up stuff.
I am using XP pro sp3 jaws 11 and reader 9.
Regards
Tom Bisset
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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nickus de Vos
Sent: April 10, 2012 9:25 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

The problem isn't the computer running out of memory as said a 32 GB ram
system still has problems, the problem is jaws having to annalize the
entire document and I think it's also loaded in some kind of jaws
buffer.

On 4/10/12, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <Ted.Lisle@ky.gov> wrote:
I think you're exactly right. Some of the old DOS word processors
worked rather like that old AR. I recall DisplayWrite 3, 4, and 5 had
an upper limit of 4999 pages of text; pages 5000 and beyond were
reserved for footnotes, and this ran on an old 386 platform with 640K
plus high and expanded memory. The PDF reader produced in the UK by
the same company that gave us Thunder seems to work on documents of
various sizes, if you don't mind the fact that search capabilities are
primitive to nonexistent. The last time I tried FoxIt, it was a total
bust.

Ted

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[mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 5:06 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Ted,
The long ago version that you are talking about worked in an entirely
different way than the current version. With the current version of
the reader, documents either load entirely into the virtual buffer or
load a page at a time. In addition to the problem of having to
advance through a large document by pages, you also have the problem
of not being able to use the JAWS search feature to find text beyond
your current page in the document. Don't think there's a fix.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


If anybody figures that one out, let me know immediately. Believe it
or
not, AR4 allowed you to do just that, but it's been a long time.
That was the first accessible version with the little plug-in.

Ted

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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash
every time. The other option is to read currently visible pages only,
my question is, when reading currently visible pages only, can you
still get adobe reader to go to the next page automatically and get
jaws to annalize the pages as you go to the next one?

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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Soronel Haetir
 

Interesting, I will have to try that.

On 4/10/12, Bill White <billwhite92701@dslextreme.com> wrote:
One thing I've found that significantly reduces problems with large
documents is this:
When the document begins to load, and it asks for your preferences, choose
raw print stream instead of:
Infer reading order from document.
I've had documents that wouldn't load at all with Infer reading order from
document, which loaded just fine when I chose Raw Print Stream.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


Nope, this system has 32gb ram and I still have problems with PDF
files over 600 pages or so. The PDF format is just not all that great
for on-line reading. That was true when I could see and it is even
more true now that I can not.

On 4/9/12, epierce@surewest.net <epierce@surewest.net> wrote:
Perhaps significantly increasing the size of the operating system "swap
file" would help?

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Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:56 AM
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Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
time.
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Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

One thing I've found that significantly reduces problems with large documents is this:
When the document begins to load, and it asks for your preferences, choose raw print stream instead of:
Infer reading order from document.
I've had documents that wouldn't load at all with Infer reading order from document, which loaded just fine when I chose Raw Print Stream.

Thank you.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader


Nope, this system has 32gb ram and I still have problems with PDF
files over 600 pages or so. The PDF format is just not all that great
for on-line reading. That was true when I could see and it is even
more true now that I can not.

On 4/9/12, epierce@surewest.net <epierce@surewest.net> wrote:
Perhaps significantly increasing the size of the operating system "swap
file" would help?

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Subject: Reading large pdf docs with adobe reader

Hi
There's a spesific pdf doc that I'm trying to read and it's like 1200
pages. As you might know if you choose read entire document jaws
annalizes the entire document and loads it in to the computers ram.
Because of the size of this document it makes adobe reader crash every
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Re: Reading text with colors

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Again, this is for JAWS 12. I have no faith in JAWS 13; however,
If you go into the verbosity selection (insert plus v), go to track changes and turn on track changes detection. Have JAWS announce both the number and the type.
Turn on track changes in your document with control plus shift plus e.
JAWS will read as though the changes were accepted, but on lines with changes JAWS will announce same. Then use control plus arrow keys.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:18 AM
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Subject: RE: Reading text with colors

Can you back up and try JAWS 12.
I have no problem with JAWS 12 and reading colors exactly as you say you want to do.


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Subject: Reading text with colors

I'm using Jaws 13 and Word 2003. I'm working with documents with text markup done in red. I need to hear the color changes within the lines of text. I've set the Speech and Sounds manager to Colors, and Jaws will indicate color change if an entire paragraph is a different color, but not if the color is on only a couple of words. I've also tried the Attributes and Colors, as that would be my preferred choice of manager for these docs. But I get the same. Jaws only indicates the color for a paragraph, not for changed words.

What am I missing?

Thanks.

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Re: Reading text with colors

Lee Anne Atkinson
 

This is an issue. I had to use sighted help to evaluate the feedback. As
much of a pain as it is, you might have to get sighted help or try to hear
where the feedback is different. Also I heard on a list you could "merge"
the 2 documents and then you could tell where the differences were but I
have never done that.

I am sorry I can't be of more help...

Lee Anne

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Subject: Reading text with colors

I'm using Jaws 13 and Word 2003. I'm working with documents with text markup
done in red. I need to hear the color changes within the lines of text. I've
set the Speech and Sounds manager to Colors, and Jaws will indicate color
change if an entire paragraph is a different color, but not if the color is
on only a couple of words. I've also tried the Attributes and Colors, as
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same. Jaws only indicates the color for a paragraph, not for changed words.

What am I missing?

Thanks.

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correction to my question

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

These changes are done with Tracked Changes. Any tips on how to best use this? I've worked with Cmments, but never with Tracked Changes. The toolbar for Display for Review is up, and I can move to each change, but I'd also like to hear them as I navigate the docu7ment. I'm also not clear on the choices of Show with markup and other drop down choices.l Any tips would be appreciated here.

Jean
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Re: Reading text with colors

Marquette, Ed <Ed.Marquette@...>
 

Can you back up and try JAWS 12.
I have no problem with JAWS 12 and reading colors exactly as you say you want to do.

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 10:07 AM
To: JFW list
Subject: Reading text with colors

I'm using Jaws 13 and Word 2003. I'm working with documents with text markup done in red. I need to hear the color changes within the lines of text. I've set the Speech and Sounds manager to Colors, and Jaws will indicate color change if an entire paragraph is a different color, but not if the color is on only a couple of words. I've also tried the Attributes and Colors, as that would be my preferred choice of manager for these docs. But I get the same. Jaws only indicates the color for a paragraph, not for changed words.

What am I missing?

Thanks.

Jean
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Reading text with colors

Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
 

I'm using Jaws 13 and Word 2003. I'm working with documents with text markup done in red. I need to hear the color changes within the lines of text. I've set the Speech and Sounds manager to Colors, and Jaws will indicate color change if an entire paragraph is a different color, but not if the color is on only a couple of words. I've also tried the Attributes and Colors, as that would be my preferred choice of manager for these docs. But I get the same. Jaws only indicates the color for a paragraph, not for changed words.

What am I missing?

Thanks.

Jean
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Re: alternative to onenote

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

I downloaded the book but the version I keep finding is protected and I am unable to open it. Is there an unprotected version out there?
Tom Bisset

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From: jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com [mailto:jfw-bounces@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gary King
Sent: March 29, 2012 12:44 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: alternative to onenote

Howard,
If you do a Google search for

"OneNote 2010 From The Keyboard"

you will find a free book in PDF format that explains how to use OneNote
with assistive technology. I just read through part of the book, enough to
figure out that I didn't really need OneNote. It seems to be primarily
designed for students who need to take lecture notes. My student days are
long over.

The book explains the structure of the program and gives shortcuts for
navigation. OneNote should be accessible with both JAWS and Window Eyes.

Gary King
w4wkz@bellsouth.net
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To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:13 AM
Subject: alternative to onenote


From doing some googling it looks like onenote is not compatible with JAWS
or with any screenreader. Does anyone have an alternative to onenote they
could recommend that is screenreader friendly?



Thanks,

Howard Kramer

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