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Re: Windows Access with Screen Readers group Mike B. #90944 Howdy Cher, Here you go: Posting To This Group To send a message to this group, send the message to: winaccess@winaccess.groups.io To join this group, send an email to: winaccess+subscribe@winaccess.groups.io To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: winaccess+unsubscribe@winaccess.groups.io Stay safe & take care. Mike. Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!" toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: Cher To: jfw@groups.io Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 4:59 PM Subject: Windows Access with Screen Readers group I seem to have missed the transition from the old Win10 group. I would appreciate very much getting the subscribe address from someone who didn’t miss the boat 😉 Cher
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Windows Access with Screen Readers group Cher #90943 I seem to have missed the transition from the old Win10 group. I would appreciate very much getting the subscribe address from someone who didn’t miss the boat 😉 Cher
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Re: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1? Mario #90942 from Brian Vogel's earlier post: "... you need to check: Settings, System, Multitasking Pane and check to see what the dropdown for Pressing ALT + Tab shows, is set to. If you want conventional "old Windows" movement between open windows then you need to select, Open windows only, from the dropdown." toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -------- Original Message -------- From: Hank William Merchant [mailto:hank_w@xplornet.ca] Subject: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1? Date: Thursday, July 15, 2021, 7:38 PM To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Hello, Can someone please let me know what this setting is, so we jaws users can successfully alt-tab in Windows 10 21h1? Thanks muchly in advance for any help with this! Kindest regards, jaws 2021 user Hank From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Thanks Brian. I thought it might have been you, but I got carried away deleting emails and you know how that goes… Thanks very much. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote: Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10! - That would be me, and you're welcome. I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users. There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004. This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle. Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade. By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten. This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment. It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive. -- Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide
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Re: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1? Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> #90941 Yesterday, Brian Vogel answered that question on this list. You can also get to the place he mentions by opening the search by tapping the Windows key and typing alt-tab and arrow down a couple of times… Here is his note: toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 3:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 05:07 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote: If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know - I have no idea what version of Windows 10 you may have had before, or if you tweaked this setting, but, in any case, you need to check: Settings, System, Multitasking Pane and check to see what the dropdown for Pressing ALT + Tab shows, is set to. If you want conventional "old Windows" movement between open windows then you need to select, Open windows only, from the dropdown. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 4:39 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1? Hello, Can someone please let me know what this setting is, so we jaws users can successfully alt-tab in Windows 10 21h1? Thanks muchly in advance for any help with this! Kindest regards, jaws 2021 user Hank From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Thanks Brian. I thought it might have been you, but I got carried away deleting emails and you know how that goes… Thanks very much. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote: Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10! - That would be me, and you're welcome. I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users. There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004. This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle. Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade. By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten. This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment. It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide
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Re: Braille problem Michael Munn #90940 The problem is now solved regarding braille display displaying only in Grade one code in Microsoft Word. Thanks to all of you for the help. I really appreciate it. What I end up doing is having her Jaws configuration pasted into my Explorer My settings folder, then I use the first letter navigation key to find Word.JCF to open the settings center directly, I then press b until I find braille, then translation. It turns out that she had her output set to Chinese braille code and her input is in U.S Grade One . Now everything has straightened and thank you once again for the tip. best regards Michael H. Munn Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia www.nfbga.org Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind www.nfb.org Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind www.hadley.edu toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 6:50 PM Jason White via groups.io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote: In Microsoft Word, use Insert+V for Quick Settings and check the translation table options. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:56 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Braille problem Hi all, I have a question here. My friend shared a copy of her Jaws configuration with me to diagnose a problem that occurred in her settings. I never experienced this problem before so therefore i need some help. The problem is when she use her display to operate Jaws, it will display contracted braille everywhere she navigate her Jaws to but in microsoft Word. i tried to solve the problem but I can't seem to track it down. If you know what is the problem, please respond to this email so I can adjust her settings back to where it suppose to be. Thanks Best regards Michael Munn Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia www.nfbga.org Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind www.nfb.org Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind www.hadley.edu
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Re: how do you successfully alt tab with jaws in windows 10 update 21h1? Hank William Merchant <hank_w@...> #90939 Hello, Can someone please let me know what this setting is, so we jaws users can successfully alt-tab in Windows 10 21h1? Thanks muchly in advance for any help with this! Kindest regards, jaws 2021 user Hank From: Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 6:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Thanks Brian. I thought it might have been you, but I got carried away deleting emails and you know how that goes… Thanks very much. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote: Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10! - That would be me, and you're welcome. I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users. There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004. This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle. Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade. By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten. This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment. It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide
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Re: Braille problem Jason White #90938 In Microsoft Word, use Insert+V for Quick Settings and check the translation table options. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2021 16:56 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Braille problem Hi all, I have a question here. My friend shared a copy of her Jaws configuration with me to diagnose a problem that occurred in her settings. I never experienced this problem before so therefore i need some help. The problem is when she use her display to operate Jaws, it will display contracted braille everywhere she navigate her Jaws to but in microsoft Word. i tried to solve the problem but I can't seem to track it down. If you know what is the problem, please respond to this email so I can adjust her settings back to where it suppose to be. Thanks Best regards Michael Munn Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia www.nfbga.org Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind www.nfb.org Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind www.hadley.edu
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> #90937 Thanks Brian. I thought it might have been you, but I got carried away deleting emails and you know how that goes… Thanks very much. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote: Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10! - That would be me, and you're welcome. I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users. There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004. This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle. Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade. By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten. This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment. It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Joseph Lee #90936 Hi, Changes to Alt+Tab behavior cema up in 20H2 with the advent of deeper integration with Chromium Edge. Cheers, Joseph toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote: Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10! - That would be me, and you're welcome. I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users. There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004. This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle. Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade. By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten. This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment. It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Brian Vogel #90935 On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote: Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10! - That would be me, and you're welcome. I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users. There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004. This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle. Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade. By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten. This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment. It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> #90934 Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10! Mine was set to show the last 5 windows opened in Edge. I’m not sure who the heck thought that was a good idea, but I set it to Open Windows Only, and set it to show only the windows in the desktop I’m using. It is operating much more smoothly now. I can have multiple windows open and alt-tab to whichever one I want and nothing weird so far is happening; other than it working 😊. Richard Software means never having to say you're finished Web site: www.turner42.com toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 11:45 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 When I encounter this problem I sometimes find that pressing shift alt tab to work backwards through the task list works for me. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos Sent: 15 July 2021 07:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Hi Juan/all, All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest. Take care, Takis From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: windows 10 update 21h1 Hi All, This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1. Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime. If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know Best, Juan
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Re: Probably shouldn't ask and other jobs don't respond JM Casey #90933 Not that I know of. I thought that applied to web content/sites. Could be wrong though. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers Sent: July 15, 2021 09:14 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Probably shouldn't ask and other jobs don't respond Hello, I will be talking with an smart phone developer about a specific app. I sent emails to a smart phone group and nobody responds. Does the WCAG/508C standards provide techniques for smart phone apps? Cheers, Kevin
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Re: Probably shouldn't ask and other jobs don't respond Cohn, Jonathan #90932 Hello Kevin, WCAG is technology agnostic so the guidelines should still work for application accessibilty. But for more specific questions you should look at either the web-aim or bats mailing list. Aim is run by u. of Utah and talks about general accessibility issues and the blind bats list is a Google Groups list that discusses techniques that blind people use while testing accessibility Jonathan . toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Jul 15, 2021, at 9:13 AM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote: Hello, I will be talking with an smart phone developer about a specific app. I sent emails to a smart phone group and nobody responds. Does the WCAG/508C standards provide techniques for smart phone apps? Cheers, Kevin
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Probably shouldn't ask and other jobs don't respond kevin meyers #90931 Hello, I will be talking with an smart phone developer about a specific app. I sent emails to a smart phone group and nobody responds. Does the WCAG/508C standards provide techniques for smart phone apps? Cheers, Kevin
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 David Griffith #90930 When I encounter this problem I sometimes find that pressing shift alt tab to work backwards through the task list works for me. David Griffith Sent from Mail for Windows 10 toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos Sent: 15 July 2021 07:15 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Hi Juan/all, All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest. Take care, Takis From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: windows 10 update 21h1 Hi All, This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1. Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime. If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know Best, Juan
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Panagiotis Antonopoulos #90929 Hi Juan/all, All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest. Take care, Takis toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: windows 10 update 21h1 Hi All, This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1. Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime. If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know Best, Juan
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 ratshtron #90928 I have had windows 21h1 build 19043.1081 for a while now on a new hp laptop and have not had the problem you speak of, but have lost eloquence and have to use sapi5 x64 factory to have speech. Legend has it that on Wednesday 7/14/2021 04:07 PM, Juan Hernandez said: ---------------------------------------- Hi All, This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1. Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn't read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren't reading correctly everytime. If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know Best, Juan ----------------------------------------
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Brian Vogel #90927 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 05:07 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote: If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know - I have no idea what version of Windows 10 you may have had before, or if you tweaked this setting, but, in any case, you need to check: Settings, System, Multitasking Pane and check to see what the dropdown for Pressing ALT + Tab shows, is set to. If you want conventional "old Windows" movement between open windows then you need to select, Open windows only, from the dropdown. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not. ~ André Gide
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Lori Lynn #90926 Thanks for the posts on this subject. I got a new laptop last week. After everything was updated I started having these same issues. I thought there was something on the new laptop I needed to change, or my old brain was going nuts. I haven’t any clue as to what has caused the problem, but at least I now know I’m not alone or going nuts. And I’ve still got my old laptop for when things get too crazy. Lori Lynn toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 4:23 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 I had this same issue today, I’m also having issues with my braille display but I won’t get into that since that would be off-topic. I’m just glad I have 2 other screen readers that I can turn on when I have issues with Jaws. Hopefully someone has a solution, or better yet this will be fixed in the next Jaws update whenever that gets released. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: July 14, 2021 4:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe. Bill White billwhite92701@... From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:07 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: windows 10 update 21h1 Hi All, This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1. Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime. If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know Best, Juan
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Re: windows 10 update 21h1 Pat Byrne #90925 not a problem here. Pat ByrneAt 04:07 PM 7/14/2021, you wrote: toggle quoted messageShow quoted text Hi All, This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1. Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn't read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren't reading correctly everytime. If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know Best, Juan
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