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moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi,

Changes to Alt+Tab behavior cema up in 20H2 with the advent of deeper integration with Chromium Edge.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!

-
That would be me, and you're welcome.

I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users.  There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004.

This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle.  Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade.  By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten.  This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment.  It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!
-
That would be me, and you're welcome.

I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users.  There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004.

This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle.  Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade.  By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten.  This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment.  It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

Richard Turner
 

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!

Mine was set to show the last 5 windows opened in Edge.  I’m not sure who the heck thought that was a good idea, but I set it to Open Windows Only, and set it to show only the windows in the desktop I’m using.

It is operating much more smoothly now.

I can have multiple windows open and alt-tab to whichever one I want and nothing weird so far is happening; other than it working 😊.

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 11:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

When I encounter this problem I sometimes find that pressing shift alt tab to work backwards through the task list works for me.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: 15 July 2021 07:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi Juan/all,

All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest.

                                                                Take care,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan

 


moderated Re: Probably shouldn't ask and other jobs don't respond

JM Casey
 

Not that I know of. I thought that applied to web content/sites. Could be wrong though.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: July 15, 2021 09:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Probably shouldn't ask and other jobs don't respond

 

 

Hello,

I will be talking with an smart phone developer about a specific app. I sent emails to a smart phone group and nobody responds.

Does the WCAG/508C standards provide techniques for smart phone apps?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Probably shouldn't ask and other jobs don't respond

Cohn, Jonathan
 

Hello Kevin,
WCAG is technology agnostic so the guidelines should still work for application accessibilty. But for more specific questions you should look at either the web-aim or bats mailing list. Aim is run by u. of Utah and talks about general accessibility issues and the blind bats list is a Google Groups list that discusses techniques that blind people use while testing accessibility
Jonathan .


On Jul 15, 2021, at 9:13 AM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



 

Hello,

I will be talking with an smart phone developer about a specific app. I sent emails to a smart phone group and nobody responds.

Does the WCAG/508C standards provide techniques for smart phone apps?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 


moderated Probably shouldn't ask and other jobs don't respond

kevin meyers
 

 

Hello,

I will be talking with an smart phone developer about a specific app. I sent emails to a smart phone group and nobody responds.

Does the WCAG/508C standards provide techniques for smart phone apps?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

David Griffith
 

When I encounter this problem I sometimes find that pressing shift alt tab to work backwards through the task list works for me.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: 15 July 2021 07:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi Juan/all,

All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest.

                                                                Take care,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan

 


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Juan/all,

All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest.

                                                                Take care,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

ratshtron
 

I have had windows 21h1 build 19043.1081 for a while now on a new hp laptop and have not had the problem you speak of, but have lost eloquence and have to use sapi5 x64 factory to have speech.


Legend has it that on Wednesday 7/14/2021 04:07 PM, Juan Hernandez said:
----------------------------------------

Hi All,



This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.



Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn't read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren't reading correctly everytime.



If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know



Best,

Juan
----------------------------------------


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 05:07 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:
If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know
-
I have no idea what version of Windows 10 you may have had before, or if you tweaked this setting, but, in any case, you need to check:

Settings, System, Multitasking Pane and check to see what the dropdown for Pressing ALT + Tab shows, is set to.  If you want conventional "old Windows" movement between open windows then you need to select, Open windows only, from the dropdown.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

Lori Lynn
 

Thanks for the posts on this subject. I got a new laptop last week. After everything was updated I started having these same issues. I thought there was something on the new laptop I needed to change, or my old brain was going nuts. I haven’t any clue as to what has caused the problem, but at least I now know I’m not alone or going nuts. And I’ve still got my old laptop for when things get too crazy.

 

Lori Lynn

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 4:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

I had this same issue today, I’m also having issues with my braille display but I won’t get into that since that would be off-topic. I’m just glad I have 2 other screen readers that I can turn on when I have issues with Jaws. Hopefully someone has a solution, or better yet this will be fixed in the next Jaws update whenever that gets released.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 14, 2021 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

Pat Byrne
 

not a problem here.
Pat ByrneAt 04:07 PM 7/14/2021, you wrote:

Hi All,



This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.



Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn't read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren't reading correctly everytime.



If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know



Best,

Juan


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

Madison Martin
 

I had this same issue today, I’m also having issues with my braille display but I won’t get into that since that would be off-topic. I’m just glad I have 2 other screen readers that I can turn on when I have issues with Jaws. Hopefully someone has a solution, or better yet this will be fixed in the next Jaws update whenever that gets released.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 14, 2021 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan


moderated Re: windows 10 update 21h1

Bill White
 

Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan


moderated windows 10 update 21h1

Juan Hernandez
 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

Juan


moderated Re: scripts for MS Teams

Juan Hernandez
 

To share you screen you can always use ctrl+shift+e to access those options in a call/meeting etc.

 

Best,

 

Juan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams

 

Just starting with Teams.  I’m doing fairly well with the free scripts and have listened to the Hartgen audio description. 

 

One thing I have run up against, and did not hear on the audio, is settings in Teams.  Sharing my computer audio is easy but sharing my screen is a graphic that I can’t find and don’t always have sighted help available. 

 

I assume there are probably other hidden controls as well.  Does Hartgen’s scripts provide access to these controls?

 

Thanks

 

Tony

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams

 

Excellent feedback, just the kind of info I’m looking for about his scripts. How does it handle the teams and channels tab?

 

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams

 


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Hi:

 

I’ve been using ms Teams for almost 2 years now.  Initially just used the scripts included with Jaws, then tried out the free scripts from Doug Lee, and a month ago purchased the Teams course as well as the scripts from Brian Hartgen.

 

The first thing I would like to point out about Brian’s scripts  is that he has put a lot of emphasis on being efficient.  There are lots of commands in his scripts that make a user extremely efficient when working with Teams.

 

e.g.

 

  1. A key stroke to tell you the status of the mike when on a teams call.
  2. A key stroke to list all the participants in the meeting
  3. A key board command to jump to and display the conversations in a meeting.
  4. A keyboard command that will bring the ms teams into focus from any other location.  Extremely useful.
  5. Ability to assign sounds to notifications etc.

Although I’ve been using ms teams for almost 2 years, I’ve experienced some difficulties in areas like working with team feeds as compared to the chats

So I’ve found his ms teams course extremely helpful. 

 

Note: I’ve attended webinars from both Microsoft Accessibility desk, and Vispero.  These webinars were good to get you going, but to really use the full capability of ms teams Brian’s course is great.

 

So if you are concerned with being as efficient when working with ms Teams as your sighted colleagues then Brian’s course and scripts are worth the cost.  As well Brian fully supports his work, he has an email group for questions and one can always ask for new features to be included in the scripts and if they make sense he adds them.

 

Anyways, I’m very happy with both the course and the scripts.

 

If you have any other specific questions please feel free to write me at any time.

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams

 

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What does the Brian Hartgen  scripts offer that JFW does not already include in the out of the box scripts? I’m looking for impressions from those who have used both.

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Arrabito
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams

 


IMPORTANT!! - External Content - Please use caution.

Hi Milton and all,

 

Thank you for the information.

 

 

Cheers,

Rob

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: June 24, 2021 10:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: scripts for MS Teams

 

Hi you can find old scripts at:

https://www.dlee.org

 

I believe these scripts are free but they are not up-to-date.

 

You can buy scripts from Brian Hartgen as he has done a webinar and has scripts that you can buy from his website at:

http://www.hartgen.org

 

Payment can be made through Paypal

 

HTH

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Arrabito
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 11:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: scripts for MS Teams

 

Hi all,

 

I am looking for scripts to work with MS Teams. Any info is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 

 

Regards,

Rob

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moderated Re: List status

Ken Chernack
 

Thanks for the replies.

Glad to know that nothing is broke.

 

BTW, the American Council of the Blind (ACB) virtual conference starts Friday for a week.

 

Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 11:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List status

 

Some lists go quiet for various reasons.  For example the unofficial school guide dog list I’m on has gone quiet because of an annual convention. Ones are either at the convention or just busy getting their lives back together with restrictions being lifted.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 14, 2021 6:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List status

 

Not that I am aware of.  It has been quiet.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: List status

 

I have not received emails for a few days.

Does this list have server problems?

What’s going on?

Might the techies at Verizon put this list on ‘no good’ list?

Thanks.

Ken

 

 


moderated Braille problem

Michael Munn
 

Hi all, I have a question here. My friend shared a copy of her Jaws
configuration with me to diagnose a problem that occurred in her
settings. I never experienced this problem before so therefore i need
some help.
The problem is when she use her display to operate Jaws, it will
display contracted braille everywhere she navigate her Jaws to but in
microsoft Word.
i tried to solve the problem but I can't seem to track it down. If you
know what is the problem, please respond to this email so I can adjust
her settings back to where it suppose to be.
Thanks
Best regards
Michael Munn


Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of
the Blind of Georgia

www.nfbga.org


Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind

www.nfb.org

Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

www.hadley.edu


moderated Embossers

Jim Portillo
 

What are people’s recommendations for a good but inexpensive Braille embosser that is more on the portable side of things? I don’t need a lot of bells and whistles, such as the ability to create high end graphics and such.

At one time, back in my college days, I had the Braille Blazer, and I loved it. It was small enough to move without any issues.

What’s good these days?

Jim

 


moderated Re: List status

David Diamond
 

Some lists go quiet for various reasons.  For example the unofficial school guide dog list I’m on has gone quiet because of an annual convention. Ones are either at the convention or just busy getting their lives back together with restrictions being lifted.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: July 14, 2021 6:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: List status

 

Not that I am aware of.  It has been quiet.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Chernack via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: List status

 

I have not received emails for a few days.

Does this list have server problems?

What’s going on?

Might the techies at Verizon put this list on ‘no good’ list?

Thanks.

Ken

 

 

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