On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!

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That would be me, and you're welcome.

I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users.  There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004.

This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle.  Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade.  By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten.  This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment.  It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!

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That would be me, and you're welcome.

I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users.  There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004.

This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle.  Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade.  By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten.  This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment.  It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

When I encounter this problem I sometimes find that pressing shift alt tab to work backwards through the task list works for me.

David Griffith

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Hi Juan/all,

All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest.

                                                                Take care,

                                                                Takis

Hi All,

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

Best,

Juan

Hello,

I will be talking with an smart phone developer about a specific app. I sent emails to a smart phone group and nobody responds.

Does the WCAG/508C standards provide techniques for smart phone apps?

Cheers,

Kevin

On Jul 15, 2021, at 9:13 AM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



 

Hello,

I will be talking with an smart phone developer about a specific app. I sent emails to a smart phone group and nobody responds.

Does the WCAG/508C standards provide techniques for smart phone apps?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin

 

Hi Juan/all,

All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest.

                                                                Take care,

                                                                Takis

Hi All,

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

Best,

Juan

Hi All,

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

Best,

Juan

I had this same issue today, I’m also having issues with my braille display but I won’t get into that since that would be off-topic. I’m just glad I have 2 other screen readers that I can turn on when I have issues with Jaws. Hopefully someone has a solution, or better yet this will be fixed in the next Jaws update whenever that gets released.

Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe.

Hi All,

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

Best,

Juan

Hi All,



This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.



Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn't read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren't reading correctly everytime.



If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know



Best,

Juan

Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe.

Hi All,

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

Best,

Juan

Hi All,

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

Best,

Juan

Just starting with Teams.  I’m doing fairly well with the free scripts and have listened to the Hartgen audio description. 

One thing I have run up against, and did not hear on the audio, is settings in Teams.  Sharing my computer audio is easy but sharing my screen is a graphic that I can’t find and don’t always have sighted help available. 

I assume there are probably other hidden controls as well.  Does Hartgen’s scripts provide access to these controls?

Thanks

Tony

Excellent feedback, just the kind of info I’m looking for about his scripts. How does it handle the teams and channels tab?

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Hi:

I’ve been using ms Teams for almost 2 years now.  Initially just used the scripts included with Jaws, then tried out the free scripts from Doug Lee, and a month ago purchased the Teams course as well as the scripts from Brian Hartgen.

The first thing I would like to point out about Brian’s scripts  is that he has put a lot of emphasis on being efficient.  There are lots of commands in his scripts that make a user extremely efficient when working with Teams.

e.g.

1. A key stroke to tell you the status of the mike when on a teams call.
2. A key stroke to list all the participants in the meeting
3. A key board command to jump to and display the conversations in a meeting.
4. A keyboard command that will bring the ms teams into focus from any other location.  Extremely useful.
5. Ability to assign sounds to notifications etc.

Although I’ve been using ms teams for almost 2 years, I’ve experienced some difficulties in areas like working with team feeds as compared to the chats

So I’ve found his ms teams course extremely helpful. 

Note: I’ve attended webinars from both Microsoft Accessibility desk, and Vispero.  These webinars were good to get you going, but to really use the full capability of ms teams Brian’s course is great.

So if you are concerned with being as efficient when working with ms Teams as your sighted colleagues then Brian’s course and scripts are worth the cost.  As well Brian fully supports his work, he has an email group for questions and one can always ask for new features to be included in the scripts and if they make sense he adds them.

Anyways, I’m very happy with both the course and the scripts.

If you have any other specific questions please feel free to write me at any time.

Have a nice day.

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Some lists go quiet for various reasons.  For example the unofficial school guide dog list I’m on has gone quiet because of an annual convention. Ones are either at the convention or just busy getting their lives back together with restrictions being lifted.   

Not that I am aware of.  It has been quiet.

I have not received emails for a few days.

Does this list have server problems?

What’s going on?

Might the techies at Verizon put this list on ‘no good’ list?

Thanks.

Ken