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moderated Re: After purchasing SMA?

james hooper
 

Where do you find these specials on the website or is their a special link?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?

Yeah, I believe that if you live in Florida, you will pay tax.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Loy" <loyrg2845@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?


Maybe it depends on the state where you purchased it. No tax was included
on
mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?


not sure if I should complain, but before purchasing mine and applying
the 20% discount, there was sales tax added which now reduces the value
of the discount to about 12%. in previous years when I upgraded the SMA,
I never had to pay a sales tax. what should I do, let it slide or
contact Erik?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: After purchasing SMA?
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 7:44 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi Loy,
I updated my SMA to 2023 & 2024 over the weekend and today I got a
message to update my authorization when J2021 started. I got this
authorization update message for each computer, so you'll probably
getting the same message pretty soon.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Loy <mailto:loyrg2845@gmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 06, 2021 6:45 AM
*Subject:* After purchasing SMA?

After purchasing a SMA, how do I get it to show the new amount of
upgrades I have.












moderated Re: After purchasing SMA?

Mario
 

well, I do not live in Florida.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn / Lenny [mailto:glenn@ervin.email]
Subject: After purchasing SMA?
Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 10:43 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Yeah, I believe that if you live in Florida, you will pay tax.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- From: "Loy" <loyrg2845@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?


Maybe it depends on the state where you purchased it. No tax was
included on
mine.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?


not sure if I should complain, but before purchasing mine and applying
the 20% discount, there was sales tax added which now reduces the value
of the discount to about 12%. in previous years when I upgraded the SMA,
I never had to pay a sales tax. what should I do, let it slide or
contact Erik?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: After purchasing SMA?
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 7:44 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi Loy,
I updated my SMA to 2023 & 2024 over the weekend and today I got a
message to update my authorization when J2021 started. I got this
authorization update message for each computer, so you'll probably
getting the same message pretty soon.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Loy <mailto:loyrg2845@gmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 06, 2021 6:45 AM
*Subject:* After purchasing SMA?

After purchasing a SMA, how do I get it to show the new amount of
upgrades I have.


















.


moderated Re: After purchasing SMA?

Glenn / Lenny
 

Yeah, I believe that if you live in Florida, you will pay tax.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Loy" <loyrg2845@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?


Maybe it depends on the state where you purchased it. No tax was included on
mine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?


not sure if I should complain, but before purchasing mine and applying
the 20% discount, there was sales tax added which now reduces the value
of the discount to about 12%. in previous years when I upgraded the SMA,
I never had to pay a sales tax. what should I do, let it slide or
contact Erik?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: After purchasing SMA?
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 7:44 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi Loy,
I updated my SMA to 2023 & 2024 over the weekend and today I got a
message to update my authorization when J2021 started. I got this
authorization update message for each computer, so you'll probably
getting the same message pretty soon.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Loy <mailto:loyrg2845@gmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 06, 2021 6:45 AM
*Subject:* After purchasing SMA?

After purchasing a SMA, how do I get it to show the new amount of
upgrades I have.











moderated Re: After purchasing SMA?

Loy
 

Maybe it depends on the state where you purchased it. No tax was included on
mine.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mario" <mrb620@hotmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?


not sure if I should complain, but before purchasing mine and applying
the 20% discount, there was sales tax added which now reduces the value
of the discount to about 12%. in previous years when I upgraded the SMA,
I never had to pay a sales tax. what should I do, let it slide or
contact Erik?
-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: After purchasing SMA?
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 7:44 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi Loy,
I updated my SMA to 2023 & 2024 over the weekend and today I got a
message to update my authorization when J2021 started. I got this
authorization update message for each computer, so you'll probably
getting the same message pretty soon.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say: "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Loy <mailto:loyrg2845@gmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 06, 2021 6:45 AM
*Subject:* After purchasing SMA?

After purchasing a SMA, how do I get it to show the new amount of
upgrades I have.


moderated Re: After purchasing SMA?

Shirley Tracy
 

Did you order online? I had to call in and they are refunding me the over charge.

 

HTH.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Mario
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 10:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: After purchasing SMA?

 

not sure if I should complain, but before purchasing mine and applying

the 20% discount, there was sales tax added which now reduces the value

of the discount to about 12%. in previous years when I upgraded the SMA,

I never had to pay a sales tax. what should I do, let it slide or

contact Erik?

-------- Original Message --------

From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@...]

Subject: After purchasing SMA?

Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 7:44 PM

To: <main@jfw.groups.io>

Hi Loy,

I updated my SMA to 2023 & 2024 over the weekend and today I got a

message to update my authorization when J2021 started.  I got this

authorization update message for each computer, so you'll probably

getting the same message pretty soon.

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.

Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Loy <mailto:loyrg2845@...>

*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Sent:* Tuesday, July 06, 2021 6:45 AM

*Subject:* After purchasing SMA?

 

After purchasing a SMA, how do I get it to show  the new amount of

upgrades I have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Glenn / Lenny
 


Well all windows come with a return to factory state, which is what they should be doing.
The product key is on all computers too, so even if they just used a stock windows disk, they could reinstall the version of windows that was on it.
I would not want a computer that just had the previous user account removed.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

Gerald:
 
I believe that Glenn was suggesting that, as part of the package, Computers for the Blind, should install a fresh installation of Windows.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind


The overwhelming majority of blind computer users are not supertechies, and buying a computer with JAWS and other software already installed is a big plus.  Not everyone can set up a new Windows 10 computer from scratch without tech savvy sighted help, which is well beyond the technical skill of the average blind computer user. My CFB HP desktop has been working flawlessly for two years and I haven't had any technical problems with it. So what if it isn't the latest and greatest?  It does everything I need it to do.  The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.

 

Gerald


On 7/6/2021 4:47 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Brian, any refurbished computer I got, did not have much get up and go and using your listed requirements, did not meet them, as for making a request, it is not always that simple.  You get what you get.  I personally like a # pad on my lap top, but, just got a wireless external keyboard or USB connected one to pair or connect to a lap top.  . 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

While I have never owned a computer from Computers for the Blind, a friend of mine who I served as tech support for purchased a number of laptops over the years.

They are not "the latest and greatest" and, at least up until very recently (if even now), they routinely came with conventional HDDs not SSDs.  But they were solid machines, many business class laptops off of long term lease that were "too old" to sell as refurbished to the broad general market, but with more than enough get up and go to handle routine web browsing, emailing, and office-suite type programs.

Some did not, however, come with full-sized "desktop layout" keyboards, but I think that's likely different now, too, as it's a small minority of laptops that don't have a number pad on them.

Make sure that the features you want are something you request specifically, e.g., having a number pad (or not having a number pad, as the case may be).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: After purchasing SMA?

Mario
 

not sure if I should complain, but before purchasing mine and applying the 20% discount, there was sales tax added which now reduces the value of the discount to about 12%. in previous years when I upgraded the SMA, I never had to pay a sales tax. what should I do, let it slide or contact Erik?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mike B [mailto:mb69mach1@fastmail.com]
Subject: After purchasing SMA?
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2021, 7:44 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi Loy,
I updated my SMA to 2023 & 2024 over the weekend and today I got a
message to update my authorization when J2021 started.  I got this
authorization update message for each computer, so you'll probably
getting the same message pretty soon.
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Loy <mailto:loyrg2845@gmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 06, 2021 6:45 AM
*Subject:* After purchasing SMA?

After purchasing a SMA, how do I get it to show  the new amount of
upgrades I have.


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Jim Weiss
 

On Jul 7, 2021, at 9:02 AM, james hooper <rockiesfan296@...> wrote:

Jim what is the website for the outlet?
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io<main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 6:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind
 
You are purchasing a brand new Dell.  The Outlet is made up of machines that were ordered and returned without being turned on, ordered and returned within 15 days and ordered and cancelled (never shipped).  My machine works as well as if I bought it from dell.com.  All outlet machines are rebuilt and certified.  If you aren’t happy you just ship it back.  The cost varies based on type of machine and configuration.  Obviously a basic laptop running Win 10 Home with 2 GB of RAM and a 250 GB HD is going to be much less expensive than a 32 core PowerEdge server with 128 GB of RAM and 8 TB of SSD with a SCSI controller.
Also if it only comes with a one year warranty you can always extend the warranty at the end of the first year.  I have been buying Dell laptops since the late 1990’s and I have only purchased through the outlet, and have never had an issue.
Like I said in the first email you may need to check inventory for several days before you find exactly what you want.  As long as your flexible in your configuration the outlet is a great way to save some money.
Jim Weiss
 
 


On Jul 7, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:
 
How much does the del outlet cost?
 
And, how well has your pc worked?
 
Thanks.
 
Justin
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind
 
Michael,
You might want to consider something like Dell Outlet.  These are new computers that come with a full warranty.  The only downside is you can’t make any changes to the configuration, they come as they have been built.  When I bought my last Dell I saved about $500 and a Dell Advisor helped me find exactly what I wanted.  I found the website a bit difficult to navigate so I just called the toll free number.  I gave them what I wanted and told them what was a “must have” and what was a “would be nice to have”.  It may take a couple of calls since inventory changes daily, but the savings are pretty good.
HTH,
 
Jim Weiss
 
 



On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:58 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:
 
Thank you for your responses. I think I’ll probably look around at different places for laptops. I would like my laptop to be new, so it doesn’t die shortly after I purchase it. I’m planning to get a laptop for my long-term needs. I could handle, on my own, using something like narrator to help me install jaws.



On Jul 6, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 06:27 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.
-
Gerald, your entire message said it better than I ever could, but this last point is really important, too.

But having a computer you can use "out of the box" without any assistance (providing you're not someone who's not yet capable of using a screen reader) is just a huge plus in all ways.  But having one year to play with JAWS and being able to add NVDA and having Narrator makes "compare and contrast" to decide what you really like much easier, too.  (And that isn't to say that switching between screen readers is easy.  But if you want to get a real sense of using each of the current majors it's an easy and cheap way to do so.)
 
-- 

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 
 



moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

james hooper
 

Jim what is the website for the outlet?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 6:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

You are purchasing a brand new Dell.  The Outlet is made up of machines that were ordered and returned without being turned on, ordered and returned within 15 days and ordered and cancelled (never shipped).  My machine works as well as if I bought it from dell.com.  All outlet machines are rebuilt and certified.  If you aren’t happy you just ship it back.  The cost varies based on type of machine and configuration.  Obviously a basic laptop running Win 10 Home with 2 GB of RAM and a 250 GB HD is going to be much less expensive than a 32 core PowerEdge server with 128 GB of RAM and 8 TB of SSD with a SCSI controller.

Also if it only comes with a one year warranty you can always extend the warranty at the end of the first year.  I have been buying Dell laptops since the late 1990’s and I have only purchased through the outlet, and have never had an issue.

Like I said in the first email you may need to check inventory for several days before you find exactly what you want.  As long as your flexible in your configuration the outlet is a great way to save some money.

Jim Weiss

 

 



On Jul 7, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:

 

How much does the del outlet cost?

 

And, how well has your pc worked?

 

Thanks.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

Michael,

You might want to consider something like Dell Outlet.  These are new computers that come with a full warranty.  The only downside is you can’t make any changes to the configuration, they come as they have been built.  When I bought my last Dell I saved about $500 and a Dell Advisor helped me find exactly what I wanted.  I found the website a bit difficult to navigate so I just called the toll free number.  I gave them what I wanted and told them what was a “must have” and what was a “would be nice to have”.  It may take a couple of calls since inventory changes daily, but the savings are pretty good.

HTH,

 

Jim Weiss

 

 




On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:58 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:

 

Thank you for your responses. I think I’ll probably look around at different places for laptops. I would like my laptop to be new, so it doesn’t die shortly after I purchase it. I’m planning to get a laptop for my long-term needs. I could handle, on my own, using something like narrator to help me install jaws.




On Jul 6, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 06:27 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.

-
Gerald, your entire message said it better than I ever could, but this last point is really important, too.

But having a computer you can use "out of the box" without any assistance (providing you're not someone who's not yet capable of using a screen reader) is just a huge plus in all ways.  But having one year to play with JAWS and being able to add NVDA and having Narrator makes "compare and contrast" to decide what you really like much easier, too.  (And that isn't to say that switching between screen readers is easy.  But if you want to get a real sense of using each of the current majors it's an easy and cheap way to do so.)
 
-- 

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Jim Weiss
 

BTW, the laptop I purchased 1 year ago has 16 GB of RAM, 1 TB SSD, 6 cores (10th generation) and the extended keyboard with the num pad (a must have for me) and I paid $700 and had it the next day.  I believe the same configuration and model on Dell.com was just shy of $1200.
Jim Weiss



On Jul 7, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Jim Weiss via groups.io <jimweiss72@...> wrote:

How much does the del outlet cost?
 
And, how well has your pc worked?
 
Thanks.
 
Justin
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind
 
Michael,
You might want to consider something like Dell Outlet.  These are new computers that come with a full warranty.  The only downside is you can’t make any changes to the configuration, they come as they have been built.  When I bought my last Dell I saved about $500 and a Dell Advisor helped me find exactly what I wanted.  I found the website a bit difficult to navigate so I just called the toll free number.  I gave them what I wanted and told them what was a “must have” and what was a “would be nice to have”.  It may take a couple of calls since inventory changes daily, but the savings are pretty good.
HTH,
 
Jim Weiss
 
 


On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:58 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:
 
Thank you for your responses. I think I’ll probably look around at different places for laptops. I would like my laptop to be new, so it doesn’t die shortly after I purchase it. I’m planning to get a laptop for my long-term needs. I could handle, on my own, using something like narrator to help me install jaws.


On Jul 6, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 06:27 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.
-
Gerald, your entire message said it better than I ever could, but this last point is really important, too.

But having a computer you can use "out of the box" without any assistance (providing you're not someone who's not yet capable of using a screen reader) is just a huge plus in all ways.  But having one year to play with JAWS and being able to add NVDA and having Narrator makes "compare and contrast" to decide what you really like much easier, too.  (And that isn't to say that switching between screen readers is easy.  But if you want to get a real sense of using each of the current majors it's an easy and cheap way to do so.)
 
-- 

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 



moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Jim Weiss
 

You are purchasing a brand new Dell.  The Outlet is made up of machines that were ordered and returned without being turned on, ordered and returned within 15 days and ordered and cancelled (never shipped).  My machine works as well as if I bought it from dell.com.  All outlet machines are rebuilt and certified.  If you aren’t happy you just ship it back.  The cost varies based on type of machine and configuration.  Obviously a basic laptop running Win 10 Home with 2 GB of RAM and a 250 GB HD is going to be much less expensive than a 32 core PowerEdge server with 128 GB of RAM and 8 TB of SSD with a SCSI controller.
Also if it only comes with a one year warranty you can always extend the warranty at the end of the first year.  I have been buying Dell laptops since the late 1990’s and I have only purchased through the outlet, and have never had an issue.
Like I said in the first email you may need to check inventory for several days before you find exactly what you want.  As long as your flexible in your configuration the outlet is a great way to save some money.
Jim Weiss



On Jul 7, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:

How much does the del outlet cost?
 
And, how well has your pc worked?
 
Thanks.
 
Justin
 
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind
 
Michael,
You might want to consider something like Dell Outlet.  These are new computers that come with a full warranty.  The only downside is you can’t make any changes to the configuration, they come as they have been built.  When I bought my last Dell I saved about $500 and a Dell Advisor helped me find exactly what I wanted.  I found the website a bit difficult to navigate so I just called the toll free number.  I gave them what I wanted and told them what was a “must have” and what was a “would be nice to have”.  It may take a couple of calls since inventory changes daily, but the savings are pretty good.
HTH,
 
Jim Weiss
 
 


On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:58 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:
 
Thank you for your responses. I think I’ll probably look around at different places for laptops. I would like my laptop to be new, so it doesn’t die shortly after I purchase it. I’m planning to get a laptop for my long-term needs. I could handle, on my own, using something like narrator to help me install jaws.


On Jul 6, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 06:27 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.
-
Gerald, your entire message said it better than I ever could, but this last point is really important, too.

But having a computer you can use "out of the box" without any assistance (providing you're not someone who's not yet capable of using a screen reader) is just a huge plus in all ways.  But having one year to play with JAWS and being able to add NVDA and having Narrator makes "compare and contrast" to decide what you really like much easier, too.  (And that isn't to say that switching between screen readers is easy.  But if you want to get a real sense of using each of the current majors it's an easy and cheap way to do so.)
 
-- 

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 



moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Justin Williams
 

How much does the del outlet cost?

 

And, how well has your pc worked?

 

Thanks.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 7, 2021 8:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

Michael,

You might want to consider something like Dell Outlet.  These are new computers that come with a full warranty.  The only downside is you can’t make any changes to the configuration, they come as they have been built.  When I bought my last Dell I saved about $500 and a Dell Advisor helped me find exactly what I wanted.  I found the website a bit difficult to navigate so I just called the toll free number.  I gave them what I wanted and told them what was a “must have” and what was a “would be nice to have”.  It may take a couple of calls since inventory changes daily, but the savings are pretty good.

HTH,

 

Jim Weiss

 

 



On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:58 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:

 

Thank you for your responses. I think I’ll probably look around at different places for laptops. I would like my laptop to be new, so it doesn’t die shortly after I purchase it. I’m planning to get a laptop for my long-term needs. I could handle, on my own, using something like narrator to help me install jaws.



On Jul 6, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 06:27 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.

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Gerald, your entire message said it better than I ever could, but this last point is really important, too.

But having a computer you can use "out of the box" without any assistance (providing you're not someone who's not yet capable of using a screen reader) is just a huge plus in all ways.  But having one year to play with JAWS and being able to add NVDA and having Narrator makes "compare and contrast" to decide what you really like much easier, too.  (And that isn't to say that switching between screen readers is easy.  But if you want to get a real sense of using each of the current majors it's an easy and cheap way to do so.)
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Jim Weiss
 

Michael,
You might want to consider something like Dell Outlet.  These are new computers that come with a full warranty.  The only downside is you can’t make any changes to the configuration, they come as they have been built.  When I bought my last Dell I saved about $500 and a Dell Advisor helped me find exactly what I wanted.  I found the website a bit difficult to navigate so I just called the toll free number.  I gave them what I wanted and told them what was a “must have” and what was a “would be nice to have”.  It may take a couple of calls since inventory changes daily, but the savings are pretty good.
HTH,

Jim Weiss



On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:58 AM, Michael Walker <michael.walker199014@...> wrote:

Thank you for your responses. I think I’ll probably look around at different places for laptops. I would like my laptop to be new, so it doesn’t die shortly after I purchase it. I’m planning to get a laptop for my long-term needs. I could handle, on my own, using something like narrator to help me install jaws.

On Jul 6, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 06:27 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.
-
Gerald, your entire message said it better than I ever could, but this last point is really important, too.

But having a computer you can use "out of the box" without any assistance (providing you're not someone who's not yet capable of using a screen reader) is just a huge plus in all ways.  But having one year to play with JAWS and being able to add NVDA and having Narrator makes "compare and contrast" to decide what you really like much easier, too.  (And that isn't to say that switching between screen readers is easy.  But if you want to get a real sense of using each of the current majors it's an easy and cheap way to do so.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide



moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Dave Durber
 


Gerald:
 
I believe that Glenn was suggesting that, as part of the package, Computers for the Blind, should install a fresh installation of Windows.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind


The overwhelming majority of blind computer users are not supertechies, and buying a computer with JAWS and other software already installed is a big plus.  Not everyone can set up a new Windows 10 computer from scratch without tech savvy sighted help, which is well beyond the technical skill of the average blind computer user. My CFB HP desktop has been working flawlessly for two years and I haven't had any technical problems with it. So what if it isn't the latest and greatest?  It does everything I need it to do.  The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.

 

Gerald


On 7/6/2021 4:47 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Brian, any refurbished computer I got, did not have much get up and go and using your listed requirements, did not meet them, as for making a request, it is not always that simple.  You get what you get.  I personally like a # pad on my lap top, but, just got a wireless external keyboard or USB connected one to pair or connect to a lap top.  . 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

While I have never owned a computer from Computers for the Blind, a friend of mine who I served as tech support for purchased a number of laptops over the years.

They are not "the latest and greatest" and, at least up until very recently (if even now), they routinely came with conventional HDDs not SSDs.  But they were solid machines, many business class laptops off of long term lease that were "too old" to sell as refurbished to the broad general market, but with more than enough get up and go to handle routine web browsing, emailing, and office-suite type programs.

Some did not, however, come with full-sized "desktop layout" keyboards, but I think that's likely different now, too, as it's a small minority of laptops that don't have a number pad on them.

Make sure that the features you want are something you request specifically, e.g., having a number pad (or not having a number pad, as the case may be).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Michael Walker
 

Thank you for your responses. I think I’ll probably look around at different places for laptops. I would like my laptop to be new, so it doesn’t die shortly after I purchase it. I’m planning to get a laptop for my long-term needs. I could handle, on my own, using something like narrator to help me install jaws.

On Jul 6, 2021, at 5:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 06:27 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.
-
Gerald, your entire message said it better than I ever could, but this last point is really important, too.

But having a computer you can use "out of the box" without any assistance (providing you're not someone who's not yet capable of using a screen reader) is just a huge plus in all ways.  But having one year to play with JAWS and being able to add NVDA and having Narrator makes "compare and contrast" to decide what you really like much easier, too.  (And that isn't to say that switching between screen readers is easy.  But if you want to get a real sense of using each of the current majors it's an easy and cheap way to do so.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Verbosity of MS Office Ribbons

Mike B.
 

Try checking the following and turning it off to see if it stops the lengthy messages.
Open settings with, Windows key + I, and tab 1 time to, System, and press enter.
 
Tab 1 time into the list of categories and down arrow to, Notifications and Actions, and press enter.
 
Now tab to, Get Tips, Tricks and Suggestions while you use Windows, and uncheck this checkbox with the spacebar.
 
You can now just close it out with, Alt + F4, there's no apply or okay buttons.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2021 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Verbosity of MS Office Ribbons

Hello, I have received these lengthy explanations while navigating the Microsoft 365 ribbon, but only with Narrator or NVDA, but never with Jaws.

I am not even 100% certain that this lengthy text is even appearing on the screen

I do find the explanations fascinating, but also find it interesting that I have never gotten them with Jaws, only the other two  screen readers.

Thanks.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 12:20 PM
To: 'JAWS Discussion List' <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Verbosity of MS Office Ribbons

 

Hi all,

As an instructor, I am exposed to many other people’s computers. Recently, I have noticed that when some trainees navigate to a ribbon command on their computers, and pretty sure it is Office 365, they hear a long explanation of what the command does. This may be useful initially, but after a short time, nobody wants to hear that any more. I have played around in settings center and quick settings, altering verbosity, but that does not help. Any idea of how to get rid of these explanations?

Thanks,

David

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: After purchasing SMA?

Mike B.
 

Hi Loy,
 
I updated my SMA to 2023 & 2024 over the weekend and today I got a message to update my authorization when J2021 started.  I got this authorization update message for each computer, so you'll probably getting the same message pretty soon.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Loy
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2021 6:45 AM
Subject: After purchasing SMA?

After purchasing a SMA, how do I get it to show  the new amount of upgrades I have.


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

 

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 06:27 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.
-
Gerald, your entire message said it better than I ever could, but this last point is really important, too.

But having a computer you can use "out of the box" without any assistance (providing you're not someone who's not yet capable of using a screen reader) is just a huge plus in all ways.  But having one year to play with JAWS and being able to add NVDA and having Narrator makes "compare and contrast" to decide what you really like much easier, too.  (And that isn't to say that switching between screen readers is easy.  But if you want to get a real sense of using each of the current majors it's an easy and cheap way to do so.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Computers for the Blind

Glenn / Lenny
 


If I needed one, I'd get one from  Computers For The Blind.
I sure don't need the latest and greatest, as long as I have enough RAM for running another OS in VmWare.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2021 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind


The overwhelming majority of blind computer users are not supertechies, and buying a computer with JAWS and other software already installed is a big plus.  Not everyone can set up a new Windows 10 computer from scratch without tech savvy sighted help, which is well beyond the technical skill of the average blind computer user. My CFB HP desktop has been working flawlessly for two years and I haven't had any technical problems with it. So what if it isn't the latest and greatest?  It does everything I need it to do.  The free one-year license for JAWS by itself is worth the price of the computer.

 

Gerald



On 7/6/2021 4:47 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Brian, any refurbished computer I got, did not have much get up and go and using your listed requirements, did not meet them, as for making a request, it is not always that simple.  You get what you get.  I personally like a # pad on my lap top, but, just got a wireless external keyboard or USB connected one to pair or connect to a lap top.  . 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: July 6, 2021 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Computers for the Blind

 

While I have never owned a computer from Computers for the Blind, a friend of mine who I served as tech support for purchased a number of laptops over the years.

They are not "the latest and greatest" and, at least up until very recently (if even now), they routinely came with conventional HDDs not SSDs.  But they were solid machines, many business class laptops off of long term lease that were "too old" to sell as refurbished to the broad general market, but with more than enough get up and go to handle routine web browsing, emailing, and office-suite type programs.

Some did not, however, come with full-sized "desktop layout" keyboards, but I think that's likely different now, too, as it's a small minority of laptops that don't have a number pad on them.

Make sure that the features you want are something you request specifically, e.g., having a number pad (or not having a number pad, as the case may be).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Verbosity of MS Office Ribbons

Phillip Gross
 

Jim, you have me wondering if it’s something like Office Assistant. I used to hate that crap. I’m curious enough now to spend some time researching it.

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