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moderated Re: Solenzio

Marie <scribbles.mn@...>
 

When using Silenzio, you can still use audio ducking, which I prefer. If you turn the feature to Avoid the delay in Jaws settings, you must disable audio ducking.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 9:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solenzio

 

Hi Marie,

 

A new feature came out in one of the J2020 versions that does this same thing.  Read below for details.

 

Note: The new setting is explained after the 2 emails.
 Original Message 

From: Jessica D
Hi, 

I’m curious why the option to have jaws not cutoff words, is only available when audio ducking is disabled. 

I use audio ducking all the time, but would still love to be able to take advantage of this feature.

Thanks,

Jessica

 

From: Bill White

Hi, Jessica. The reason the new setting in JAWS to keep sound cards awake is not enabled while Audio Ducking is enabled is because, while audio is being
ducked, another application is running which uses the sound card. If another application is using the sound card, that application will usually keep the
sound card awake, independently of JAWS. 

Bill White 

 

 
New Option to Keep Wireless Speakers and Sound Cards from Clipping Speech When JAWS or Fusion Begins Speaking  
Many modern Bluetooth headphones and speakers as well as some onboard sound cards shut down when no audio is received in order to conserve battery. JAWS
now includes a new option, which when enabled, keeps these devices awake by constantly playing silence. You will not hear anything, but your device will
remain active, resulting in more consistent speech. To enable this feature,
open Settings Center (INSERT+6) on the number row, press CTRL+SHIFT+D to
load
the default settings, and search for "Avoid speech cut off when using
Bluetooth headphones or some sound cards."
 
Note: The battery of your headphones/speakers could drain faster if you
choose to turn on this feature. This option is also not available if the
Audio Ducking feature is enabled which lowers the audio volume of programs while
JAWS speaks.
 

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

From: Marie

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 4:39 PM

Subject: Solenzio

 

Could someone please post a link for the Solenzio utility? Thanks much, Marie

 


moderated Re: Toggle volume control notifications from external multimedia devices

Russell Solowoniuk
 

ÎHi Bill,

I think what this refers to is keyboards that have a volume button or control on them. I have a DAS mechanical keyboard that has a volume control knob at the right side, and in previous versions of JAWS, whenever I'd change the volume using this knob, JAWS would say, "Volume 20%, volume 21 %, volume 22%, volume 23%" etc. It was quite annoying, and I'm so glad they fixed it in JAWS 2021. Not sure why anyone would turn on this feature to have JAWS announce the volume levels. At least I think that's what you are referring to.

Cheers,

Russell
Russell Solowoniuk
C: 780-994-7763



On Jun 26, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

What does the command "Toggle Volume Control Notifications For External Multimedia Devices" in JAWS 2021 do? It is found in the INSERT plus SPACE layered commands, and is toggled by grave accent. I don't know to what they are referring when they use the term "External Multimedia Devices". I also don't know what notifications would be received from the volume control of multimedia devices.
 
Thank you.
 
 
 
Bill White
 
 


moderated polarus

meow meow
 

Rosie here...
does anyone know if there app to read color from polarus braille sence
thanks
 
 


moderated Toggle volume control notifications from external multimedia devices

Bill White
 

What does the command "Toggle Volume Control Notifications For External Multimedia Devices" in JAWS 2021 do? It is found in the INSERT plus SPACE layered commands, and is toggled by grave accent. I don't know to what they are referring when they use the term "External Multimedia Devices". I also don't know what notifications would be received from the volume control of multimedia devices.

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Do Any Of You Use Spotify?

Rick Miller
 

Okay, but how do you do this--if you are playing a Spotify playlist of more than 100 songs, is there a way you can tell the number of whatever song you are listening to? If so, how do you do it?



Rick Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James English
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 6:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Do Any Of You Use Spotify?

Hi,

I do, and it works well (even with my out of date version of jaws.)
The recent update has made the interface more clunky but it still
works very well with jaws.

On 6/25/21, Rick Miller <rm1263@outlook.com> wrote:
Dear Listers:

Do any of you use Spotify, the music program? If so, how compatible is it
with the latest version of JAWS?



Rick Miller







moderated Re: slightly off topic: re: the OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

Hank William Merchant
 

 
 
Good afternoon,
 
Since these OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver loud earphones are dual input capability earphones, does this maybe mean that I can hopefully have jaws talking to me in only say my right hand side ear, so this way I can hear for sure jaws really good in my right hand side ear and
I can keep my left hand side ear clear to hear very good only customers in my left hand side ear that I am talking to in received incoming customer service calls in a call centre?
 
Also wondering as far as the loud volume capability goes for these OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver  earphones, is there maybe a separate volume adjustment knob for each ear?
 
Any help with these important above questions concerning these particular OneOdio dual input earphones would be so very much appreciated! Thanks very much in advance for any help I can maybe get with this!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kindest regards,
 
Hank
 
 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?
 

And in looking these up there are many options including lighter weight foldable ones and even some with dual inputs and Bluetooth like this:

https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=OneOdio+Over+Ear+Headphones+Studio+Wired+Bass+Headsets+with+50mm+Driver&ref=nb_sb_noss

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

I hesitated to post this here initially as it is a Jaws list.  However given the persistence of interest I did a recent review on a pair of cheap headphones which would meet all these access requirements.

Review

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

 

Occasionally a mainstream product emerges which inadvertently meets all sorts of accessibility needs. The OneOdio Over Ear Headphone certainly do that, despite being described as D. J> Head pones, and their capacity for dual input may make them an important affordable access solution in the workplace.

 

Ironically access was not really considered when these headphones were ordered. They were a Christmas present from my daughter who was most interested in their noise cancelling aspect. The hope was that this would protect both herself and my wife from the sound of NVDA and Jaws leaking out whilst they were listening to the Television.

My deaf ears makes my listening volume loud and can disturb others with leakage.

 

Certainly these headphones reduce leakage and I now receive requests to switch back to them if I am using a different pair.

 

For general usage they are very pleasant wired headphones , with a good powerful bass sound. they are light if slightly bulky for portable usage. They are rated as the number 1 Amazon best seller for D. J Headphones.

They are also very reasonably priced at £34.99.

There are however 3 more important access features of these headphones.

 

The first access plus is the headphone loudness.

Prolonged loud headphone volume is undeniably dangerous for people with normal hearing. People with normal or mildly impaired hearing should heed all the warnings. However for people like me with congenital severe deafness it is essential to find headphones which can pump out volume. Pretty much every year I end up giving away headphones or earphones which are useless as they are just too quiet. Without suitable head pones producing sufficient volume I would be incapable of typing this review, making a pone call or listening to my Audio books Radio and Music.

Luckily these headphones are well capable of providing the necessary pump.

 

The second access capability is that they have sufficient headband tension to enable precise placement adjacent to or over my hearing aids. Lots of head pones are unusable with hearing aids as it is impossible to prevent high pitched feedback whistling without this precise placement.

 

Thirdly and probably most importantly is that these headphones can be used in dual input mode.

There are 2 input ports for the headphones.

The right ear receives an old style 6.5 mm headphone plug which has a normal 3.5mm plug at the other end of the cable. This cable is partly coiled to connect easily over distance too computers and other audio devices.

The left ear receives a small 2.5mm plug which via a shorter cable, connects to a normal 3.5mm plug. This cable includes an inline remote control and mic for playing and pausing, answering phone calls etc. This shorted cable is clearly suitable for connecting to any phone capable of receiving wired headphones.

I have tested this cable with my Google Pixel 4A and my old iPhone SE first generation via a lightning audio cable adapter. It worked as expected with both devices. It also worked with my Victor reader Trek and even paused and played via the remote inline control like the phones.

It received audio from my blind Shell Classic phone and Evo 10 Daisy Player but not surprisingly these devices did not respond to the inline remote control.

 

What I did not immediately appreciate is that it is possible to have both these input sources simultaneously connected.

So whilst I am typing this review I am also connected to my Blind Shell Classic phone. I am able to operate the phone, make and receive calls, all at the same time being able to consult my computer via my screenreader. If I need to make notes whilst listening to a call this is straightforward .

In the past this would be a struggle for me. For example I used to do Internet grocery shopping for my Mother in law, in her 90s. This involved me ringing her but also having to navigate the Sainsburys Web site on my PC. On several occasions I resorted to wearing 2 paris of headphones, one on top the other to try and complete this tricky process.

I would also have found these headphones an invaluable aid in work. In those days I relied on memory, clattering down notes immediately after the call.

More expensive phone and mixing devices were available , I remember using such a device at the RNIB but these headpones are a far easier, cheaper option.

 

I am, in summary, not sure what there is not to like. These are not a blue tooth option which is a plus for me because of issues i can describe another day.

Details from the Amazon Website below, and finally a link  to the UK Amazon below that.

David Griffith

 

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

Large, 50 millimeter speaker unit drivers combined with neodymium magnets provides stereo Hi-Fi level sound; powerful bass, clear vocal, and crisp high tones form perfect balanced sound.

• A standard-sized 3.5mm plug aux cable with mic are included (make it a headphone with mic. A long, DJ-style 9.8ft cord with 6.35 plug easily reaches from the TV or stereo to your sofa. They both are completely detachable, so that you don't need to spend all hours of the day plugged into your mixer.

• 90° swiveling earcups for single-ear monitoring anytime; self-adjustable and flexible headband delivers a fatigue-free listening experience that can last for hours, perfect for mastering and mixing.

• Luxuriously padded ear cushions are specifically designed for monitor headphones maximum comfort and noise isolation. The headband is adjustable and stretchable for you to find the desired angle you like to fit in.

• With the sleek design and high-end sound quality, OneOdio headphones are made for smart phones, all Androids, tablets, mp3 players, and related devices. OneOdio offers 30 days money back, 24-month guarantee and 24 hours friendly after service

 

Link to Amazon page.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/OneOdio-Headphones-Monitoring-Neodymium-Headsets-Standard-Version/dp/B01MZHAX5S

 

I post the below from my blog.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 15 June 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

And if you work for a call centre you should talk to your boss regarding a custom solution where you have Jaws on one ear and your phone call on the other. This is definitely possible with wired headsets, probably more difficult with Bluetooth.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

Hank,It sounds like ideally, you want something that would allow you to only use one ear; and what I remember about the Bose is that it would be very difficult to remove the left, or position it so your work headset could be worn.

 

Loudness somewhat depends on your system and the Jaws setting, but if you could use a Bluetooth single ear piece, there are lots of choices from Plantronics.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

 

 

Good morning Phillip,

 

I am personally looking for a very loud pair of good earphones so I will be able to hear jaws loud enough in only my right hand side ear, (I have a bit of hearing loss in my right hand side ear), because I will not be able to use my other ear to also hear jaws, because I will need to use my left hand side ear solely to hear properly incoming cusstomer calls and talk to them through a separte one ear headset with a mike at an incoming calls call centre.

 

Can you maybe please tell me if these Bose QC 35 II headphones are quite loud? Any help you can maybe give me with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

__ 

 

From: Phillip Gross

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:18 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

It helps to know what you are looking to spend. The options at $50 are a lot different than the $300 options.

I personally use the Bose QC 35 II headphones. I have had them for about 3 years now and use them daily. I would estimate I wear them an average of 8 hours a day including weekends. I use them for work and personal use. They have a Bluetooth option, and I do use it, but most of the time I plug them into my computer or iPad. The battery is supposed to last 20 hours if you’re using Bluetooth and 40 hours if they are plugged into a 3.5 jack and you’re just using noise canceling. The foam began coming out of the ear pieces about a year ago, but I replaced them for about $30.

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Loy
 


I did not like Windows ME or Windows Vista as well as Windows 8 but Windows 10 is great.
It seems that about every
 other version of Windows are not good.----- Hope Windows11 does not fall into that  pattern. Original Message -----

From: Tony
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: windows 11

XP was also better then 98, 98 OR2, Vista and a few others thrown in to raise money for MS.  8 was another money waster.  I still have a machine in 7 for some packages that don’t like 10 but have moved most things to 10.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 01:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience

-
And it wasn't.  It was a vast improvement over Windows 3.1, that's for sure, but Windows 7 (by the time we arrived there) was a vast improvement over XP.

People become irrationally attached to "the way I do things."  And if anyone happens to recognize themselves in that statement I'm not going to apologize for it.  Most of what's in Windows 10 as far as keyboard shortcuts for the things all of us commonly do have been unchanged since the first Windows hit the scene, and many of those date directly from DOS.

The only Windows version that was an absolute tectonic shift from pretty much everything that came before it was Windows 8, and it was an unmitigated disaster in terms of acceptance and adoption.  Windows 10 was the wedding of what we all knew and loved, for the most part, from Windows up through 7 with the few cool features, and there were some, of Windows 8.  There's just nothing to be afraid of for a WinXP or Win7 user in Win10.  The learning curve is very steep and fast indeed (which, by the way, is a good learning curve - a steep learning curve means that you learn lots, very quickly, while a shallow learning curve means you learn little, and often painfully slowly - the popular terminology has it backwards).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: windows 11

Tony
 

XP was also better then 98, 98 OR2, Vista and a few others thrown in to raise money for MS.  8 was another money waster.  I still have a machine in 7 for some packages that don’t like 10 but have moved most things to 10.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 01:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience

-
And it wasn't.  It was a vast improvement over Windows 3.1, that's for sure, but Windows 7 (by the time we arrived there) was a vast improvement over XP.

People become irrationally attached to "the way I do things."  And if anyone happens to recognize themselves in that statement I'm not going to apologize for it.  Most of what's in Windows 10 as far as keyboard shortcuts for the things all of us commonly do have been unchanged since the first Windows hit the scene, and many of those date directly from DOS.

The only Windows version that was an absolute tectonic shift from pretty much everything that came before it was Windows 8, and it was an unmitigated disaster in terms of acceptance and adoption.  Windows 10 was the wedding of what we all knew and loved, for the most part, from Windows up through 7 with the few cool features, and there were some, of Windows 8.  There's just nothing to be afraid of for a WinXP or Win7 user in Win10.  The learning curve is very steep and fast indeed (which, by the way, is a good learning curve - a steep learning curve means that you learn lots, very quickly, while a shallow learning curve means you learn little, and often painfully slowly - the popular terminology has it backwards).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: jaws reading columns

Vaughn Brown
 

Hi, Tia,

I am not clear what you are asking. Are you asking how to interact with a calendar? If you search for
JAWS: then your question
Then you may be able to find something on Freedom's site or an answer in an old thread.

Kindly,

Vaughn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tina sohl
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws reading columns

Hi. Can jaws read columns such as those found in a calendar and if it
can, how do you do it and interact with any entries in there? Thanks
in advance
Tina


moderated Re: windows 11

JM Casey
 

Yeah, don’t’ know anyone at all who uses Windows 8…I’m not even sure I ever did, really!

And I understand being irrationally attached to the old ways – I’m a bit like that with some things. I still vastly prefer physical media to streaming, for instance (but I think I can rationalise it quite well actually). And I still don’t use any cloud-ish services (as my friend once said, “there is no cloud, it’s just someone else’s computer”) except sendspace for storing podcast materials for my colleague and I to retreive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 01:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience

-
And it wasn't.  It was a vast improvement over Windows 3.1, that's for sure, but Windows 7 (by the time we arrived there) was a vast improvement over XP.

People become irrationally attached to "the way I do things."  And if anyone happens to recognize themselves in that statement I'm not going to apologize for it.  Most of what's in Windows 10 as far as keyboard shortcuts for the things all of us commonly do have been unchanged since the first Windows hit the scene, and many of those date directly from DOS.

The only Windows version that was an absolute tectonic shift from pretty much everything that came before it was Windows 8, and it was an unmitigated disaster in terms of acceptance and adoption.  Windows 10 was the wedding of what we all knew and loved, for the most part, from Windows up through 7 with the few cool features, and there were some, of Windows 8.  There's just nothing to be afraid of for a WinXP or Win7 user in Win10.  The learning curve is very steep and fast indeed (which, by the way, is a good learning curve - a steep learning curve means that you learn lots, very quickly, while a shallow learning curve means you learn little, and often painfully slowly - the popular terminology has it backwards).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: windows 11

JM Casey
 

I like Windows explorer in Windows 10 a lot – very versatile and you can do a lot with it. Windows 10 comes with Powershell which is awesome. There’s more under the hood to like, I think.

In theory I love the idea of linux, but my own experience with running ubuntu  on an old computer (over ten years ago) was far from great. I think we talked about this before. There was probably something wrong with that machine, in retrospect – the linux kernel actually took half a day to install. The machine was generally much slower than it was supposed to be and Orca was always crashing.

I’ll maybe try again someday.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

The thing I like about 10 is that a Blind person can install it without sighted assistance, and Narrator is the best its ever been.

MS could have done that a long time ago.

Linux has been installable non-visually for a long time.

The hard core computer user may find a few accessibility areas lacking in Linux where it is better in Windows, but for most folks as mentioned before, Linux can do it for them.

XP was probably the most rock solid of Microsoft's OS's and I think like most users mentioned, they didn't encounter some of the issues that the more power users experienced.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 12:20 PM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

I do agree with a lot of what you wrote there – but I personally don’t get the attachment some people have to Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience – I actually like Windows 10 a lot more. I jumped straight from XP to 10 at home and for me, Windows 10 is a pretty great oS that has only relly hiccupped once, when the search feature broke entirely and I had to use windows restore to get it back (I tried a lot of other things first to no avail). Interestingly, the much more limited search feature on XP also broke on my machine and I never was able to fix it, so had no windows search (or find, as it was called) on the computer for years.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

The way I look at it, 99% of us only do tasks that require a computer that ran windows XP anyway.

If you are browsing the web a lot, you need a computer that can safely and efficiently access web pages, which Windows 7 does fine, still, and I will be happy using 7 for as long as it can do on-line pages safely and efficiently.

Audio can be done well with a computer running windows 98.

eMail can be done safely if you are not a mindless mouse clicker and don't open attachments or follow links from unknown sources, again, a Windows XP computer can do well for the mindful user, but not for web pages.

If you are doing large spreadsheets on multiple screens, you might need more computing power, or if you play video and memory intensive games, you might need a higher end computer, which will meet the needs of Windows 10.

But most of us don't do that much data crunching for a computer that meets windows 10's requirements.

And on the other hand, if you are just doing email, audio, documents and some web pages, you can use Linux for free, and it works with old systems too, it should work okay with only 2 GB of RAM.

Ubuntu-Mate is more like windows XP than windows 10 is.

I set a few keyboard bindings in the Linux settings to be just like Windows, like windows key + M to go to the desktop for example, but most are already the same keyboard commands that windows uses.

So there are a lot of options, and I see no reason for the vast majority of us to upgrade, if you can call it that, unless you like change when it comes to technology.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Glenn / Lenny
 

The thing I like about 10 is that a Blind person can install it without sighted assistance, and Narrator is the best its ever been.
MS could have done that a long time ago.
Linux has been installable non-visually for a long time.
The hard core computer user may find a few accessibility areas lacking in Linux where it is better in Windows, but for most folks as mentioned before, Linux can do it for them.
XP was probably the most rock solid of Microsoft's OS's and I think like most users mentioned, they didn't encounter some of the issues that the more power users experienced.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: windows 11

I do agree with a lot of what you wrote there – but I personally don’t get the attachment some people have to Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience – I actually like Windows 10 a lot more. I jumped straight from XP to 10 at home and for me, Windows 10 is a pretty great oS that has only relly hiccupped once, when the search feature broke entirely and I had to use windows restore to get it back (I tried a lot of other things first to no avail). Interestingly, the much more limited search feature on XP also broke on my machine and I never was able to fix it, so had no windows search (or find, as it was called) on the computer for years.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

The way I look at it, 99% of us only do tasks that require a computer that ran windows XP anyway.

If you are browsing the web a lot, you need a computer that can safely and efficiently access web pages, which Windows 7 does fine, still, and I will be happy using 7 for as long as it can do on-line pages safely and efficiently.

Audio can be done well with a computer running windows 98.

eMail can be done safely if you are not a mindless mouse clicker and don't open attachments or follow links from unknown sources, again, a Windows XP computer can do well for the mindful user, but not for web pages.

If you are doing large spreadsheets on multiple screens, you might need more computing power, or if you play video and memory intensive games, you might need a higher end computer, which will meet the needs of Windows 10.

But most of us don't do that much data crunching for a computer that meets windows 10's requirements.

And on the other hand, if you are just doing email, audio, documents and some web pages, you can use Linux for free, and it works with old systems too, it should work okay with only 2 GB of RAM.

Ubuntu-Mate is more like windows XP than windows 10 is.

I set a few keyboard bindings in the Linux settings to be just like Windows, like windows key + M to go to the desktop for example, but most are already the same keyboard commands that windows uses.

So there are a lot of options, and I see no reason for the vast majority of us to upgrade, if you can call it that, unless you like change when it comes to technology.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 01:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience
-
And it wasn't.  It was a vast improvement over Windows 3.1, that's for sure, but Windows 7 (by the time we arrived there) was a vast improvement over XP.

People become irrationally attached to "the way I do things."  And if anyone happens to recognize themselves in that statement I'm not going to apologize for it.  Most of what's in Windows 10 as far as keyboard shortcuts for the things all of us commonly do have been unchanged since the first Windows hit the scene, and many of those date directly from DOS.

The only Windows version that was an absolute tectonic shift from pretty much everything that came before it was Windows 8, and it was an unmitigated disaster in terms of acceptance and adoption.  Windows 10 was the wedding of what we all knew and loved, for the most part, from Windows up through 7 with the few cool features, and there were some, of Windows 8.  There's just nothing to be afraid of for a WinXP or Win7 user in Win10.  The learning curve is very steep and fast indeed (which, by the way, is a good learning curve - a steep learning curve means that you learn lots, very quickly, while a shallow learning curve means you learn little, and often painfully slowly - the popular terminology has it backwards).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: windows 11

JM Casey
 

I do agree with a lot of what you wrote there – but I personally don’t get the attachment some people have to Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience – I actually like Windows 10 a lot more. I jumped straight from XP to 10 at home and for me, Windows 10 is a pretty great oS that has only relly hiccupped once, when the search feature broke entirely and I had to use windows restore to get it back (I tried a lot of other things first to no avail). Interestingly, the much more limited search feature on XP also broke on my machine and I never was able to fix it, so had no windows search (or find, as it was called) on the computer for years.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

The way I look at it, 99% of us only do tasks that require a computer that ran windows XP anyway.

If you are browsing the web a lot, you need a computer that can safely and efficiently access web pages, which Windows 7 does fine, still, and I will be happy using 7 for as long as it can do on-line pages safely and efficiently.

Audio can be done well with a computer running windows 98.

eMail can be done safely if you are not a mindless mouse clicker and don't open attachments or follow links from unknown sources, again, a Windows XP computer can do well for the mindful user, but not for web pages.

If you are doing large spreadsheets on multiple screens, you might need more computing power, or if you play video and memory intensive games, you might need a higher end computer, which will meet the needs of Windows 10.

But most of us don't do that much data crunching for a computer that meets windows 10's requirements.

And on the other hand, if you are just doing email, audio, documents and some web pages, you can use Linux for free, and it works with old systems too, it should work okay with only 2 GB of RAM.

Ubuntu-Mate is more like windows XP than windows 10 is.

I set a few keyboard bindings in the Linux settings to be just like Windows, like windows key + M to go to the desktop for example, but most are already the same keyboard commands that windows uses.

So there are a lot of options, and I see no reason for the vast majority of us to upgrade, if you can call it that, unless you like change when it comes to technology.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Glenn / Lenny
 

The way I look at it, 99% of us only do tasks that require a computer that ran windows XP anyway.
If you are browsing the web a lot, you need a computer that can safely and efficiently access web pages, which Windows 7 does fine, still, and I will be happy using 7 for as long as it can do on-line pages safely and efficiently.
Audio can be done well with a computer running windows 98.
eMail can be done safely if you are not a mindless mouse clicker and don't open attachments or follow links from unknown sources, again, a Windows XP computer can do well for the mindful user, but not for web pages.
If you are doing large spreadsheets on multiple screens, you might need more computing power, or if you play video and memory intensive games, you might need a higher end computer, which will meet the needs of Windows 10.
But most of us don't do that much data crunching for a computer that meets windows 10's requirements.
And on the other hand, if you are just doing email, audio, documents and some web pages, you can use Linux for free, and it works with old systems too, it should work okay with only 2 GB of RAM.
Ubuntu-Mate is more like windows XP than windows 10 is.
I set a few keyboard bindings in the Linux settings to be just like Windows, like windows key + M to go to the desktop for example, but most are already the same keyboard commands that windows uses.
So there are a lot of options, and I see no reason for the vast majority of us to upgrade, if you can call it that, unless you like change when it comes to technology.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: windows 11

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

NO, ignorance raises its ugly head again.

Or at least, inattention.

I thought you meant, i8 not 8th generation …

 

I did find out the truth on my own, finally.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Thanks, Edward, I hadn't even paid attention to the exact chip model assuming Richard knew for sure he had a 7th Gen CPU.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 6:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

The generation of the chip doesn’t refer to the number after the I. Yours is an 8th generation I7 chip - you can tell this by looking at the number immediately after the 7.

If there is an 8th generation I3, then it will work.

Cheers,

Ed

On 26 June 2021 13:04:28 "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...> wrote:

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Thanks, Edward, I hadn't even paid attention to the exact chip model assuming Richard knew for sure he had a 7th Gen CPU.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 6:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

The generation of the chip doesn’t refer to the number after the I. Yours is an 8th generation I7 chip - you can tell this by looking at the number immediately after the 7.

If there is an 8th generation I3, then it will work.

Cheers,

Ed

On 26 June 2021 13:04:28 "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...> wrote:

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: Do Any Of You Use Spotify?

douglas richard dexheimer
 

i've gotten emails from spotify inviting me to try premium for free, but the offer is only valid for users who never tried it before; i tried it two years ago and had no luck, so i had to file a claim with my bank and get a refund, since my payment info was required, money taken, and i found no other way to cancel.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 6/26/2021 12:06 AM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
Hi,
I have downloaded whole playlist from Spotify, but it downloads to the app, not anywhere else on my phone.

On Jun 25, 2021, at 6:56 PM, N K Shackelford <nance62lady@gmail.com> wrote:

I tried Spotify premium, which seems to be at least fairly accessible, but I couldn't download songs as they said I was supposed to be able to do. So, do any of you actually download chosen songs from Spotify?
Thanks,
Nance

N K Shackelford
===Walk on Faith And Trust In Love=== Michael Reid







moderated Re: Solenzio

Marie <scribbles.mn@...>
 

Well I used the link to download to my 7yr old desktop with no problem but I had a battle on my hands when downloading to the newer Lenovo laptop. But I finally triumphed. Windows kept telling me it could potentially harm my system and made me jump through several hoops. LOL!
Marie
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solenzio
 
Marie,

I honestly do not know about any issues with Silenzio version 2.0,which does not mean they do not exist.  But that's the latest version available from its original developer.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

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