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moderated Re: jaws reading columns

Vaughn Brown
 

Hi, Tia,

I am not clear what you are asking. Are you asking how to interact with a calendar? If you search for
JAWS: then your question
Then you may be able to find something on Freedom's site or an answer in an old thread.

Kindly,

Vaughn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tina sohl
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws reading columns

Hi. Can jaws read columns such as those found in a calendar and if it
can, how do you do it and interact with any entries in there? Thanks
in advance
Tina


moderated Re: windows 11

JM Casey
 

Yeah, don’t’ know anyone at all who uses Windows 8…I’m not even sure I ever did, really!

And I understand being irrationally attached to the old ways – I’m a bit like that with some things. I still vastly prefer physical media to streaming, for instance (but I think I can rationalise it quite well actually). And I still don’t use any cloud-ish services (as my friend once said, “there is no cloud, it’s just someone else’s computer”) except sendspace for storing podcast materials for my colleague and I to retreive.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 01:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience

-
And it wasn't.  It was a vast improvement over Windows 3.1, that's for sure, but Windows 7 (by the time we arrived there) was a vast improvement over XP.

People become irrationally attached to "the way I do things."  And if anyone happens to recognize themselves in that statement I'm not going to apologize for it.  Most of what's in Windows 10 as far as keyboard shortcuts for the things all of us commonly do have been unchanged since the first Windows hit the scene, and many of those date directly from DOS.

The only Windows version that was an absolute tectonic shift from pretty much everything that came before it was Windows 8, and it was an unmitigated disaster in terms of acceptance and adoption.  Windows 10 was the wedding of what we all knew and loved, for the most part, from Windows up through 7 with the few cool features, and there were some, of Windows 8.  There's just nothing to be afraid of for a WinXP or Win7 user in Win10.  The learning curve is very steep and fast indeed (which, by the way, is a good learning curve - a steep learning curve means that you learn lots, very quickly, while a shallow learning curve means you learn little, and often painfully slowly - the popular terminology has it backwards).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: windows 11

JM Casey
 

I like Windows explorer in Windows 10 a lot – very versatile and you can do a lot with it. Windows 10 comes with Powershell which is awesome. There’s more under the hood to like, I think.

In theory I love the idea of linux, but my own experience with running ubuntu  on an old computer (over ten years ago) was far from great. I think we talked about this before. There was probably something wrong with that machine, in retrospect – the linux kernel actually took half a day to install. The machine was generally much slower than it was supposed to be and Orca was always crashing.

I’ll maybe try again someday.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

The thing I like about 10 is that a Blind person can install it without sighted assistance, and Narrator is the best its ever been.

MS could have done that a long time ago.

Linux has been installable non-visually for a long time.

The hard core computer user may find a few accessibility areas lacking in Linux where it is better in Windows, but for most folks as mentioned before, Linux can do it for them.

XP was probably the most rock solid of Microsoft's OS's and I think like most users mentioned, they didn't encounter some of the issues that the more power users experienced.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 12:20 PM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

I do agree with a lot of what you wrote there – but I personally don’t get the attachment some people have to Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience – I actually like Windows 10 a lot more. I jumped straight from XP to 10 at home and for me, Windows 10 is a pretty great oS that has only relly hiccupped once, when the search feature broke entirely and I had to use windows restore to get it back (I tried a lot of other things first to no avail). Interestingly, the much more limited search feature on XP also broke on my machine and I never was able to fix it, so had no windows search (or find, as it was called) on the computer for years.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

The way I look at it, 99% of us only do tasks that require a computer that ran windows XP anyway.

If you are browsing the web a lot, you need a computer that can safely and efficiently access web pages, which Windows 7 does fine, still, and I will be happy using 7 for as long as it can do on-line pages safely and efficiently.

Audio can be done well with a computer running windows 98.

eMail can be done safely if you are not a mindless mouse clicker and don't open attachments or follow links from unknown sources, again, a Windows XP computer can do well for the mindful user, but not for web pages.

If you are doing large spreadsheets on multiple screens, you might need more computing power, or if you play video and memory intensive games, you might need a higher end computer, which will meet the needs of Windows 10.

But most of us don't do that much data crunching for a computer that meets windows 10's requirements.

And on the other hand, if you are just doing email, audio, documents and some web pages, you can use Linux for free, and it works with old systems too, it should work okay with only 2 GB of RAM.

Ubuntu-Mate is more like windows XP than windows 10 is.

I set a few keyboard bindings in the Linux settings to be just like Windows, like windows key + M to go to the desktop for example, but most are already the same keyboard commands that windows uses.

So there are a lot of options, and I see no reason for the vast majority of us to upgrade, if you can call it that, unless you like change when it comes to technology.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Glenn / Lenny
 

The thing I like about 10 is that a Blind person can install it without sighted assistance, and Narrator is the best its ever been.
MS could have done that a long time ago.
Linux has been installable non-visually for a long time.
The hard core computer user may find a few accessibility areas lacking in Linux where it is better in Windows, but for most folks as mentioned before, Linux can do it for them.
XP was probably the most rock solid of Microsoft's OS's and I think like most users mentioned, they didn't encounter some of the issues that the more power users experienced.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: windows 11

I do agree with a lot of what you wrote there – but I personally don’t get the attachment some people have to Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience – I actually like Windows 10 a lot more. I jumped straight from XP to 10 at home and for me, Windows 10 is a pretty great oS that has only relly hiccupped once, when the search feature broke entirely and I had to use windows restore to get it back (I tried a lot of other things first to no avail). Interestingly, the much more limited search feature on XP also broke on my machine and I never was able to fix it, so had no windows search (or find, as it was called) on the computer for years.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

The way I look at it, 99% of us only do tasks that require a computer that ran windows XP anyway.

If you are browsing the web a lot, you need a computer that can safely and efficiently access web pages, which Windows 7 does fine, still, and I will be happy using 7 for as long as it can do on-line pages safely and efficiently.

Audio can be done well with a computer running windows 98.

eMail can be done safely if you are not a mindless mouse clicker and don't open attachments or follow links from unknown sources, again, a Windows XP computer can do well for the mindful user, but not for web pages.

If you are doing large spreadsheets on multiple screens, you might need more computing power, or if you play video and memory intensive games, you might need a higher end computer, which will meet the needs of Windows 10.

But most of us don't do that much data crunching for a computer that meets windows 10's requirements.

And on the other hand, if you are just doing email, audio, documents and some web pages, you can use Linux for free, and it works with old systems too, it should work okay with only 2 GB of RAM.

Ubuntu-Mate is more like windows XP than windows 10 is.

I set a few keyboard bindings in the Linux settings to be just like Windows, like windows key + M to go to the desktop for example, but most are already the same keyboard commands that windows uses.

So there are a lot of options, and I see no reason for the vast majority of us to upgrade, if you can call it that, unless you like change when it comes to technology.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

 

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 01:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience
-
And it wasn't.  It was a vast improvement over Windows 3.1, that's for sure, but Windows 7 (by the time we arrived there) was a vast improvement over XP.

People become irrationally attached to "the way I do things."  And if anyone happens to recognize themselves in that statement I'm not going to apologize for it.  Most of what's in Windows 10 as far as keyboard shortcuts for the things all of us commonly do have been unchanged since the first Windows hit the scene, and many of those date directly from DOS.

The only Windows version that was an absolute tectonic shift from pretty much everything that came before it was Windows 8, and it was an unmitigated disaster in terms of acceptance and adoption.  Windows 10 was the wedding of what we all knew and loved, for the most part, from Windows up through 7 with the few cool features, and there were some, of Windows 8.  There's just nothing to be afraid of for a WinXP or Win7 user in Win10.  The learning curve is very steep and fast indeed (which, by the way, is a good learning curve - a steep learning curve means that you learn lots, very quickly, while a shallow learning curve means you learn little, and often painfully slowly - the popular terminology has it backwards).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: windows 11

JM Casey
 

I do agree with a lot of what you wrote there – but I personally don’t get the attachment some people have to Windows XP. Was it really that great? Not so much, in my own experience – I actually like Windows 10 a lot more. I jumped straight from XP to 10 at home and for me, Windows 10 is a pretty great oS that has only relly hiccupped once, when the search feature broke entirely and I had to use windows restore to get it back (I tried a lot of other things first to no avail). Interestingly, the much more limited search feature on XP also broke on my machine and I never was able to fix it, so had no windows search (or find, as it was called) on the computer for years.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: June 26, 2021 01:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

The way I look at it, 99% of us only do tasks that require a computer that ran windows XP anyway.

If you are browsing the web a lot, you need a computer that can safely and efficiently access web pages, which Windows 7 does fine, still, and I will be happy using 7 for as long as it can do on-line pages safely and efficiently.

Audio can be done well with a computer running windows 98.

eMail can be done safely if you are not a mindless mouse clicker and don't open attachments or follow links from unknown sources, again, a Windows XP computer can do well for the mindful user, but not for web pages.

If you are doing large spreadsheets on multiple screens, you might need more computing power, or if you play video and memory intensive games, you might need a higher end computer, which will meet the needs of Windows 10.

But most of us don't do that much data crunching for a computer that meets windows 10's requirements.

And on the other hand, if you are just doing email, audio, documents and some web pages, you can use Linux for free, and it works with old systems too, it should work okay with only 2 GB of RAM.

Ubuntu-Mate is more like windows XP than windows 10 is.

I set a few keyboard bindings in the Linux settings to be just like Windows, like windows key + M to go to the desktop for example, but most are already the same keyboard commands that windows uses.

So there are a lot of options, and I see no reason for the vast majority of us to upgrade, if you can call it that, unless you like change when it comes to technology.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Glenn / Lenny
 

The way I look at it, 99% of us only do tasks that require a computer that ran windows XP anyway.
If you are browsing the web a lot, you need a computer that can safely and efficiently access web pages, which Windows 7 does fine, still, and I will be happy using 7 for as long as it can do on-line pages safely and efficiently.
Audio can be done well with a computer running windows 98.
eMail can be done safely if you are not a mindless mouse clicker and don't open attachments or follow links from unknown sources, again, a Windows XP computer can do well for the mindful user, but not for web pages.
If you are doing large spreadsheets on multiple screens, you might need more computing power, or if you play video and memory intensive games, you might need a higher end computer, which will meet the needs of Windows 10.
But most of us don't do that much data crunching for a computer that meets windows 10's requirements.
And on the other hand, if you are just doing email, audio, documents and some web pages, you can use Linux for free, and it works with old systems too, it should work okay with only 2 GB of RAM.
Ubuntu-Mate is more like windows XP than windows 10 is.
I set a few keyboard bindings in the Linux settings to be just like Windows, like windows key + M to go to the desktop for example, but most are already the same keyboard commands that windows uses.
So there are a lot of options, and I see no reason for the vast majority of us to upgrade, if you can call it that, unless you like change when it comes to technology.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: windows 11

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

NO, ignorance raises its ugly head again.

Or at least, inattention.

I thought you meant, i8 not 8th generation …

 

I did find out the truth on my own, finally.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 9:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Thanks, Edward, I hadn't even paid attention to the exact chip model assuming Richard knew for sure he had a 7th Gen CPU.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 6:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

The generation of the chip doesn’t refer to the number after the I. Yours is an 8th generation I7 chip - you can tell this by looking at the number immediately after the 7.

If there is an 8th generation I3, then it will work.

Cheers,

Ed

On 26 June 2021 13:04:28 "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...> wrote:

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Thanks, Edward, I hadn't even paid attention to the exact chip model assuming Richard knew for sure he had a 7th Gen CPU.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 6:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

The generation of the chip doesn’t refer to the number after the I. Yours is an 8th generation I7 chip - you can tell this by looking at the number immediately after the 7.

If there is an 8th generation I3, then it will work.

Cheers,

Ed

On 26 June 2021 13:04:28 "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...> wrote:

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Richard,

 

I think it's really too early to say for sure what will or will not be required. On the one hand Microsoft clearly states that the minimum requirement will be a CPU with at least 2 cores or more running at at least 1 Ghz or more speed and that of course is very misleading because even an 8-year old 4th generation Intel processor has these specs.

 

There are many articles which say Microsoft has confirmed the minimum requirement of an 8th Gen CPU, but Microsoft also speaks about a "soft floor" and a "hard floor" set of requirements and that some people may be able to install Windows 11 but will receive a warning that it is not re ommended.

 

My Asus Zenbook which was a high-end laptop when I bought it in November 2016 has an I7-6700U sixth Gen CPU, 16 Gb of RAM, a 512 Gb SSD, it has a 4K touch screen display and definitely shows that it has a UEFI BIOS with secur boot turned on and it has TPM 2.0. Yet the Health Check says it is not able to run Windows 11.

 

Here is just one article which says Microsoft officially confirmed the 8th Gen requirement and if you Google this you can find many more, but the fact remains that currently it is still confusing with many sources saying one thing and others saying something different. Even the Health Check tool which apparently already has been upgraded some is not always giving the correct information, I know of one person on a different list who has a 10th Gen CPU, TPM 2.0 and all the other requirements yet for some reason the tools says his computer can't be upgraded.

 

Microsoft confirms that Windows 11 will require 8th Gen Intel Core or 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen

 

 

Take care,

Sieghard

lots of

 

the fall of

receive a

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 5:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: Do Any Of You Use Spotify?

douglas richard dexheimer
 

i've gotten emails from spotify inviting me to try premium for free, but the offer is only valid for users who never tried it before; i tried it two years ago and had no luck, so i had to file a claim with my bank and get a refund, since my payment info was required, money taken, and i found no other way to cancel.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 6/26/2021 12:06 AM, Jasmine Kotsay wrote:
Hi,
I have downloaded whole playlist from Spotify, but it downloads to the app, not anywhere else on my phone.

On Jun 25, 2021, at 6:56 PM, N K Shackelford <nance62lady@gmail.com> wrote:

I tried Spotify premium, which seems to be at least fairly accessible, but I couldn't download songs as they said I was supposed to be able to do. So, do any of you actually download chosen songs from Spotify?
Thanks,
Nance

N K Shackelford
===Walk on Faith And Trust In Love=== Michael Reid







moderated Re: Solenzio

Marie <scribbles.mn@...>
 

Well I used the link to download to my 7yr old desktop with no problem but I had a battle on my hands when downloading to the newer Lenovo laptop. But I finally triumphed. Windows kept telling me it could potentially harm my system and made me jump through several hoops. LOL!
Marie
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solenzio
 
Marie,

I honestly do not know about any issues with Silenzio version 2.0,which does not mean they do not exist.  But that's the latest version available from its original developer.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Solenzio

james hooper
 

What does this program do?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 7:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solenzio

here's the direct address download from the manufacturer:
http://www.stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=112

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dr. arvind singh brar [mailto:arvindsinghbrar@gmail.com]
Subject: Solenzio
Date: Friday, June 25, 2021, 10:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
hi here is silenzio utility download link;

https://www.canadialog.com/articles/3411/the-sound-of-your-screen-reader-is-poor-and-sluggish-see-how-to-fix-it

<https://www.canadialog.com/articles/3411/the-sound-of-your-screen-reader-is-poor-and-sluggish-see-how-to-fix-it>


On 26 Jun 2021, at 7:39 AM, Marie <scribbles.mn@gmail.com> wrote:



Could someone please post a link for the Solenzio utility? Thanks much, Marie


moderated Re: Solenzio

Mario
 

here's the direct address download from the manufacturer:
http://www.stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=112

-------- Original Message --------
From: Dr. arvind singh brar [mailto:arvindsinghbrar@gmail.com]
Subject: Solenzio
Date: Friday, June 25, 2021, 10:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
hi here is silenzio utility download link;

https://www.canadialog.com/articles/3411/the-sound-of-your-screen-reader-is-poor-and-sluggish-see-how-to-fix-it

<https://www.canadialog.com/articles/3411/the-sound-of-your-screen-reader-is-poor-and-sluggish-see-how-to-fix-it>


On 26 Jun 2021, at 7:39 AM, Marie <scribbles.mn@gmail.com> wrote:



Could someone please post a link for the Solenzio utility? Thanks
much, Marie


moderated Re: windows 11

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Good to know.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 6:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

Hi Richard,

The generation of the chip doesn’t refer to the number after the I. Yours is an 8th generation I7 chip - you can tell this by looking at the number immediately after the 7.

If there is an 8th generation I3, then it will work.

Cheers,

Ed

On 26 June 2021 13:04:28 "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...> wrote:

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Edward Green
 

Hi Richard,

The generation of the chip doesn’t refer to the number after the I. Yours is an 8th generation I7 chip - you can tell this by looking at the number immediately after the 7.

If there is an 8th generation I3, then it will work.

Cheers,

Ed

On 26 June 2021 13:04:28 "Richard Turner" <richardturner42@...> wrote:

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: Solenzio

Tom Behler
 

Regarding Silenzio, I have it successfully installed, but keep getting update notices.

 

I click or hit enter on “yes” for the update, but nothing happens, and I get asked about the update again.

 

Does anyone have this issue, and if so, how did you resolve it.

 

Also have trouble understanding while an app like Silenzio needs to be updated in the first place.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dr. arvind singh brar
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Solenzio

 

hi here is silenzio utility download link;

 

 

 



On 26 Jun 2021, at 7:39 AM, Marie <scribbles.mn@...> wrote:



Could someone please post a link for the Solenzio utility? Thanks much, Marie

 


moderated Re: windows 11

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Sieghard,

That is not true about requiring I8 chips.

My Dell is running:

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz, 2001 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)

And it just passed the Microsoft Windows 11 health tool.

Here is the message I received after running the tool

This PC can run Windows 11
Great news - this PC meets all the system requirements for Windows 11, and it’s free. We’ll let you know when it’s ready to install.

 

It has TPM 2.0 which if you are running Windows 20h1 build 1943 can be found under Device manager

It is just after Processor, here is the Jaws speech history to help put it in context in Device Manager:

Processors Closed
Security devices Closed
Security devices Opened
1 item
2
Trusted Platform Module 2.0

 

Having said that, there certainly seems to be a minimum processor but I don’t’ read computerese well enough to know if I7 is the minimum, or something earlier, but I3 is likely not going to work.

If it can be changed out, it is probably more costly than buying a new laptop.

You can get the tool here:

https://aka.ms/GetPCHealthCheckApp

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 10:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 11

 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

Mark
 

Here's a technique for getting the file path from a file using the copy as a path technique JM mentioned.  If you want to know where a file is located in the file system, this technique will do it.  This is helpful when organizing folders and files

Go to the file or folder
Shift + f10 to bring up context menu
press a to select Copy as path
JAWS + space, then c to bring up the clipboard text viewer
then use navigation keys to step through the path name word by word.

File paths will start with a code for the external drive label, like the C:
Folders names are separated by a \

A variation of this technique is to copy the path using the virtual ribbons buttons, which have short cuts alt + h, then c then p

There is a way to verify the paths these techniques produce are correct, if having a verification technique helps your learning.   But I won't get into that here because in my opinion,  MicroSoft could make a more user friendly File explorer.


moderated Re: windows 11

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

You have a seventh generation chip, I3-7020U, at this point only 8th gen chips and above are supported and this is independent from having UEFI as the BIOS mode and secure boot as well as TPM 2.0 which system information does not show, you have to run TPM.msc to see your TPM version. Anyways, even if you have TPM 2.0, the fact that you have a 7th gen CPU remains and that would probably not be anything you can replace in a basic laptop.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 8:37 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: windows 11

 

HI. JUST DID A PC HEALTH CHECK AND SAYS MY PROCESSOR DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM SPECS WITH THE PROCESSOR FOR WINDOWS 11. HOW DO I CHANGE THIS. DO I NEED TO HAVE SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND MAYBE UPDATE THE BIOS.

ANY IDEAS.

2 YEAR OLD ASSUS VIVO BOOK LAPTOP.

PASTING THE SYSTEM INFORMATION SUMMARY BELOW.

ANY IDEAS.

SO HOW TO CHECK FOR THE TPM 2.0.

HOW TO GET WINDOWS 11 WITH THIS CURRENT MACHINE.

THANKS.

 

PS: PASTING THE INFORMATION BELOW.

 

System Information

File Edit View Help

System Summary Item Value

Hardware Resources OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 ProComponents Version 10.0.19043 Build 19043Software Environment Other OS Description  Not Available

OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation

System Name LAPTOP-EP5OFF1A

System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

System Model VivoBook 15_ASUS Laptop X540UAR

System Type x64-based PC

System SKU

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7020U CPU @ 2.30GHz, 2304 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Pr...

BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. X540UAR.306, 8/23/2019

SMBIOS Version 3.1

Embedded Controller Version 255.255

BIOS Mode UEFI

BaseBoard Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.

BaseBoard Product X540UAR

BaseBoard Version 1.0

Platform Role Mobile

Secure Boot State On

PCR7 Configuration Elevation Required to View

Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS

System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32

Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1

Locale United States

Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "10.0.19041.1081"

 

 

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