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moderated Copying footnotes as part of the text of a word document

Rahul Bajaj
 

Hi,

When copying text from word documents, I find that footnotes do not
get copied. This means that I have to go and separately copy a
footnote that I'd like to paste in another document.

How can I fix this?

I use Windows 10, JAWS 2021, Office 365. Thank you.

Warmly,
Rahul



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Rahul Bajaj
Judicial Law Clerk to Dr. Justice D.Y. Chandrachud, Supreme Court of India
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


moderated Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Bill White
 

Hello again, Marty. Here is more information from the JAWS help material about sound schemes, how to activate, change them permanently, or how to temporarily change the sound scheme.

 

Speech and Sounds Schemes

Speech and Sounds Schemes Group

Use the Speech and Sounds Schemes group to customize how JAWS provides you with different types of information. For example, you can easily configure JAWS

to play an ascending tone when it encounters a check box that is selected, a descending tone for check boxes that are not selected, and say "type here"

every time it encounters an edit field. If you work with documents that contain text in another language, and that text is always bold, you can make JAWS

switch to a specific language when it encounters bolded text. There are many possibilities, depending on your needs.

You can save your speech and sound settings as a scheme. Schemes are lists of Speech Manager rules, saved as .smf files, located in the C:\Users\User Name\AppData\Roaming\Freedom

Scientific\JAWS\Version Number\Settings\ENU folder. You can create and save several schemes, however, only one scheme is active at a time.

To change speech and sound settings, open the Speech and Sounds Schemes group in Settings Center.

Selecting, Editing, and Creating Schemes

JAWS comes with several schemes by default. The classic scheme sets JAWS to behave as it always has, and is a good starting point. The other schemes use

the Classic scheme as a foundation and add additional information, useful for things such as proofreading documents. Use the Speech and Sounds Manager

to select, edit, save, or create schemes. For example:

list of 4 items

• To make a different scheme active, select it from the scheme list. Press INSERT+T to read the title bar, and JAWS announces the active scheme. To

edit the active scheme,

TAB to and activate the Edit Current Scheme button. After editing a scheme, be sure to save the changes by activating the Save Current Scheme button.

• To save a copy of the current scheme under a different name, activate the Save Current Scheme As button. This creates a copy of the active scheme with

a name you choose, allowing you to make modifications to the new scheme without changing the old one.

• To create a new scheme, activate the Create New Scheme button. This creates a new scheme based on the Classic Scheme settings. To make changes to the

new scheme, select it in the schemes list and activate the Edit Current Scheme button. Refer to the help topic

Edit Scheme Dialog

for more information on creating or modifying a scheme.

• To delete a scheme, select it from the list, then activate the Delete Scheme button. You cannot delete the Classic Scheme.

list end

Tip: You can use training mode to familiarize yourself with how the active scheme uses sounds to provide information. See

Training Mode

below for more information.

Changing Schemes On the Fly

In addition to changing schemes permanently through Settings Center, JAWS offers a way to quickly and temporarily change schemes. To do this, press ALT+INSERT+S,

then select the scheme to use and press ENTER.

Training Mode

Training mode helps you familiarize yourself with how a scheme uses sounds to provide information. When training mode is on, JAWS announces detailed information

for items, states, and attributes as well as the sounds assigned to them in the active scheme. You hear the sound, and then JAWS announces the same information

you hear when using the "Classic" scheme.

Tip: Training mode also announces information for items, states, and attributes that the scheme ignores.

Since the sound assignments made by the scheme's creator may not be immediately obvious, training mode can help you determine the purpose of each sound.

For example, if a scheme uses two different sounds to indicate the state of a check box, you might not be able to tell which sound indicates that the check

box is selected. If training mode is on, JAWS plays the sound and then says, "checked" or "not checked."

To turn training mode on or off:

list of 3 items

1. Press ALT+INSERT+S.

2. To turn training mode on, select "Toggle Speech and Sounds Training Mode On." If you want to turn training mode off, select "Toggle Speech and Sounds

Training Mode Off."

3. Press ENTER.

list end

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

 

I am already on the Classic Scheme.  Just what exactly is the point of having so many scheme choices?

On 6/16/2021 4:26 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Marty,

 

I don't use Vocalizer, but take a look at which speech and sound scheme you're running. 

 

Press, Insert, Alt + S, to open the sound scheme list and take notice of which scheme is highlighted. 

 

If it's not one called, Classic, navigate to the Classic scheme and press enter.  Now see if it reads any better.  If not switch back to your other scheme.  You could try other schemes to see if any others read better and keep in mind you can always switch back.

 

Also try switching to Eloquence and see if Eloquence reads correctly.

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 1:03 PM

Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

 

OK, JAWS reads my document perfectly with the alternative default mode on.  How do I figure out which setting is causing the problem?  I am using Vocalizer Expressive voice.  Could this be causing this?

On 6/16/2021 12:25 AM, Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io wrote:

Hi Marty, 

 

To find out if a JAWS setting is responsible for such a behavior you could activate the alternative User by pressing JAWS+Space, then Z. This temporarily turns off your settings to check if a setting is responsible for this. To go back to your normal user settings press the hot key again (JAWS+Space, Z). 

 

If no setting entry causes this issue you could provide such a file with a cloud device so one can have a closer look at this. 

 

Udo 



Am 16.06.2021 um 07:47 schrieb Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...>:

 

I have very few JAWS dictionary entries and I am sure that that is not one of them.  I don't know if this group allows attachments to messages, but I will try to attach a document with examples.  See if your system reads correctly.

On 6/15/2021 9:42 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



I think reading word by word will not use a dictionary entry.

Might you have a dictionary entry that is making it speak nothing for that?

Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

 

Can you post an example of an email where it happens? For the record, on my system, it isn’t happening with the date in this message.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Hello,  I posted this question a while ago and this is still happening.  I will type a line of text in a WORD document with a date such as "Saturday, August 14".  when I read by pressing Insert + Down Arrow for Say All, or when reading by pressing Down Arrow to read line by line, JAWS will not say anything when I get to the line with the date in it.  If I read word by word by pressing Control + Right Arrow, JAWS will read perfectly.  This will also sometimes happen in an email as well.  I am using the latest JAWS with Windows 10 and Office 2016.  Has anyone else had this happen?
Thanks.
Marty Hutchings
The Gospel is freely accessible to all. 

 


moderated Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Bill White
 

Hi, Marty. The various JAWS Sound Schemes make it possible to change the behavior of JAWS in specific circumstances. One example I will give is the sound scheme which allows a change in how JAWS announces capital letters. One of the schemes allows JAWS to say CAP when a capital letter is encountered. Other changes are made as well, making it easier to proofread and edit documents, text files and e-mails.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 9:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

 

I am already on the Classic Scheme.  Just what exactly is the point of having so many scheme choices?

On 6/16/2021 4:26 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Marty,

 

I don't use Vocalizer, but take a look at which speech and sound scheme you're running. 

 

Press, Insert, Alt + S, to open the sound scheme list and take notice of which scheme is highlighted. 

 

If it's not one called, Classic, navigate to the Classic scheme and press enter.  Now see if it reads any better.  If not switch back to your other scheme.  You could try other schemes to see if any others read better and keep in mind you can always switch back.

 

Also try switching to Eloquence and see if Eloquence reads correctly.

 

 

Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 1:03 PM

Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

 

OK, JAWS reads my document perfectly with the alternative default mode on.  How do I figure out which setting is causing the problem?  I am using Vocalizer Expressive voice.  Could this be causing this?

On 6/16/2021 12:25 AM, Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io wrote:

Hi Marty, 

 

To find out if a JAWS setting is responsible for such a behavior you could activate the alternative User by pressing JAWS+Space, then Z. This temporarily turns off your settings to check if a setting is responsible for this. To go back to your normal user settings press the hot key again (JAWS+Space, Z). 

 

If no setting entry causes this issue you could provide such a file with a cloud device so one can have a closer look at this. 

 

Udo 



Am 16.06.2021 um 07:47 schrieb Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...>:

 

I have very few JAWS dictionary entries and I am sure that that is not one of them.  I don't know if this group allows attachments to messages, but I will try to attach a document with examples.  See if your system reads correctly.

On 6/15/2021 9:42 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



I think reading word by word will not use a dictionary entry.

Might you have a dictionary entry that is making it speak nothing for that?

Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

 

Can you post an example of an email where it happens? For the record, on my system, it isn’t happening with the date in this message.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Hello,  I posted this question a while ago and this is still happening.  I will type a line of text in a WORD document with a date such as "Saturday, August 14".  when I read by pressing Insert + Down Arrow for Say All, or when reading by pressing Down Arrow to read line by line, JAWS will not say anything when I get to the line with the date in it.  If I read word by word by pressing Control + Right Arrow, JAWS will read perfectly.  This will also sometimes happen in an email as well.  I am using the latest JAWS with Windows 10 and Office 2016.  Has anyone else had this happen?
Thanks.
Marty Hutchings
The Gospel is freely accessible to all. 

 


moderated Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Marty Hutchings
 

I am already on the Classic Scheme.  Just what exactly is the point of having so many scheme choices?

On 6/16/2021 4:26 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Marty,
 
I don't use Vocalizer, but take a look at which speech and sound scheme you're running. 
 
Press, Insert, Alt + S, to open the sound scheme list and take notice of which scheme is highlighted. 
 
If it's not one called, Classic, navigate to the Classic scheme and press enter.  Now see if it reads any better.  If not switch back to your other scheme.  You could try other schemes to see if any others read better and keep in mind you can always switch back.
 
Also try switching to Eloquence and see if Eloquence reads correctly.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

OK, JAWS reads my document perfectly with the alternative default mode on.  How do I figure out which setting is causing the problem?  I am using Vocalizer Expressive voice.  Could this be causing this?

On 6/16/2021 12:25 AM, Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io wrote:
Hi Marty, 

To find out if a JAWS setting is responsible for such a behavior you could activate the alternative User by pressing JAWS+Space, then Z. This temporarily turns off your settings to check if a setting is responsible for this. To go back to your normal user settings press the hot key again (JAWS+Space, Z). 

If no setting entry causes this issue you could provide such a file with a cloud device so one can have a closer look at this. 

Udo 

Am 16.06.2021 um 07:47 schrieb Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...>:

I have very few JAWS dictionary entries and I am sure that that is not one of them.  I don't know if this group allows attachments to messages, but I will try to attach a document with examples.  See if your system reads correctly.

On 6/15/2021 9:42 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I think reading word by word will not use a dictionary entry.
Might you have a dictionary entry that is making it speak nothing for that?
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Can you post an example of an email where it happens? For the record, on my system, it isn’t happening with the date in this message.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email
Hello,  I posted this question a while ago and this is still happening.  I will type a line of text in a WORD document with a date such as "Saturday, August 14".  when I read by pressing Insert + Down Arrow for Say All, or when reading by pressing Down Arrow to read line by line, JAWS will not say anything when I get to the line with the date in it.  If I read word by word by pressing Control + Right Arrow, JAWS will read perfectly.  This will also sometimes happen in an email as well.  I am using the latest JAWS with Windows 10 and Office 2016.  Has anyone else had this happen?
Thanks.
Marty Hutchings
The Gospel is freely accessible to all. 


moderated Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

Loy
 

Hi,

On JAWS2020  , do an insert J, then hit O to open  options then click basic,tab to start JAWS automatically click on that and unchecked start up at log on screen,     then tab to start up for all users and unchecked, tab again to start up for this user and choose never,  then tab took, Then on JAWS 2021 , do the same as above except check all three check boxes----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

Hi Afik

That is not what I want  you give me. I want to stop using jaws2020  and used jaws2021  !! How do I stop jaws2020 not to have to come back on when restart and shut down computer ? When I done that with jaws2020  then How do I have jaws2021  to come on when restart and shut down computer to use jaws2021  not jaws2020 ?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Afik Souffir
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

 

Caps+f4 to quit jaws. 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:22:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

 

Hi All

I’m trying to turns off jaws2020  and want to turns on jaws2021  !! How do I do it correctly ? I was on jaws2020  then I went to jaws menu  to press alt + o for option  then I hear it say basic  then I press tab to something about turns off notification  check box not check Is that I want ?

Addison  


moderated Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

You are in the right place. Uncheck all boxes there and change to never the option of turn on automatically for all users 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 3:56:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on
 

Hi Afik

That is not what I want  you give me. I want to stop using jaws2020  and used jaws2021  !! How do I stop jaws2020 not to have to come back on when restart and shut down computer ? When I done that with jaws2020  then How do I have jaws2021  to come on when restart and shut down computer to use jaws2021  not jaws2020 ?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Afik Souffir
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

 

Caps+f4 to quit jaws. 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:22:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

 

Hi All

I’m trying to turns off jaws2020  and want to turns on jaws2021  !! How do I do it correctly ? I was on jaws2020  then I went to jaws menu  to press alt + o for option  then I hear it say basic  then I press tab to something about turns off notification  check box not check Is that I want ?

Addison  


moderated Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi Afik

That is not what I want  you give me. I want to stop using jaws2020  and used jaws2021  !! How do I stop jaws2020 not to have to come back on when restart and shut down computer ? When I done that with jaws2020  then How do I have jaws2021  to come on when restart and shut down computer to use jaws2021  not jaws2020 ?

Addison

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Afik Souffir
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

 

Caps+f4 to quit jaws. 

 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:22:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

 

Hi All

I’m trying to turns off jaws2020  and want to turns on jaws2021  !! How do I do it correctly ? I was on jaws2020  then I went to jaws menu  to press alt + o for option  then I hear it say basic  then I press tab to something about turns off notification  check box not check Is that I want ?

Addison  


moderated Re: using Thunderbird

Mario
 

one way is to press insert+control+v.
another way is to press alt+h and then a. then tab around to hear what version.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Madison Martin [mailto:madisonmartin463@gmail.com]
Subject: using Thunderbird
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2021, 6:28 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
How do I find out what version I’m running? I’d assume it’s the latest
one since I downloaded it from the Mazilla website

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris Hill
*Sent:* June 16, 2021 3:19 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: using Thunderbird

I wonder if you have the current version.  Mine auto-updates and says
addons manager when i use those keys.

I'm running 78.11

On 6/16/2021 14:14, Madison Martin wrote:

Thanks for this, I’m having trouble installing the quick folder key
navigation extension though. I follow the instructions, but I can’t
even get past the first step because when I press a after pressing
alt t I get the add-ons manager not add-on options, I assume these
instructions are for the current vertion of Thunderbird?

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Brian Vogel
*Sent:* June 15, 2021 2:12 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: using Thunderbird

Thunderbird Email Client Tutorial

<https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1k72PjkZetz3CdJDTtiug2DaIjtiod4Tq>
--

Brian *-* Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

**It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for
what you are not.**

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: a big big thankyou for all the very helpful replies I got to my re: will jfw update to jfw 2021, if you are still using jfw2020 when you say yes to the update of jfw question email

Hank William Merchant
 

 
 
Hello,
 
I just want to say a big, big thankyou for all the very helpful replies I received to my Re: will jfw update to jfw 2021, if you are still using jfw2020 when you say yes to the update of jfw question inquiry email.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kindest regards,
 
Hank
 
 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jfw update to jfw 2021, if you are still using jfw2020 when you say yes to the update of jfw question?
 

That seems to be the latest version of Jaws 2020. However, if you have an SMA which covers Jaws 2021 I highly recommend you install it beccause it absolutely does not make sense these days to fall behind with Jaws.

As somebody else pointed out, it does appear that Jaws will now update from one version to the next major version, but I assume it nonetheless will still install said newer version separately. Jaws has always done this, you can have 3 or 4 or 5 past versions of Jaws on a system and unload whichever one you are running and load an older or newer version at will.

Keep in mind that if you say "Yes" to that prompt, it will not immediately update, there is one more screen which shows you exactly which version will be installed and you have to actually select that version with the spacebar and then activate the "Next" button for the install to start and even then in fact it is only going to download the installer, after that you still have to agree to the licence terms and click next before it will actually be installed.

And if you really don't want to go through the process this way, just go to www.FreedomScientific.com, look for the link which says JAWS 2021 Update (05/19/21)" and click it. On the page which now opens you can read all about what's new and then select the link to download the installer for the latest version of Jaws 2021, once that is done go to your Downloads folder or wherever you saved it and run it. This will install Jaws 2021, but your existing installation of Jaws 2020 will not be touched and you can still use it any time you want.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 6:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jfw update to jfw 2021, if you are still using jfw2020 when you say yes to the update of jfw question?

 

 

 

Hello back,

 

I checked, and yes I am currently using this jfw version 2020.2012.13 of jaws 2020. is this version 2020.2012.13 the newest version of jfw 2020? 

 

So I guess if I decide to say yes to this question I get every time I startup my laptop asking me if I want to update jaws yes or no, will not update my current version of jaws 2020 to a newewr version of jaws 2020, but instead will update my current running version of jfw 2020 to the latest release of jaws 2021, is this what will happen? Any help with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help with this!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 6:48 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: will jfw update to jfw 2021, if you are still using jfw2020 when you say yes to the update of jfw question?

 

Then you must have missed the latest Jaws 2020 update which I assume would be fairly normal if you started to use Jaws 2021 after it was released in November 2021, but Vispero did release a Jaws 2020 update in December of 2020 after Jaws 2021 came out.

It is version JAWS 2020.2012.13

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 7:21 PM
To: Hank William Merchant <hank_w@...>
Cc: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jfw update to jfw 2021, if you are still using jfw2020 when you say yes to the update of jfw question?

 

Hello,

Sorry folks, but one of the features added in JAWS 2020 before it closed out any updates was to tell you if you could update to the next version.  JAWS 2020 will be getting no updates, unless something serious happens. The last time a jaws version was updated when the next version was out and considered stable was when Firefox completely changed the way it communicated with Screen Readers. Is there a reason you want to stay on JAWS 2020?

Best Wishes,

 

Jonathan Cohn

 

On Jun 5, 2021, at 20:16, Hank William Merchant <hank_w@...> wrote:

 

 

Hello fellow list members,

 

I am still using jaws 2020 and everytime I startup my laptop, jaws asks me if I want to download the latest update? Since I am not sure if I want to start using jaws 2021 yet, I always say no to this update question thinking it is going to maybe download the latest release of jaws 2021.

 

My question is this, since I am still using jaws 2020, if I did say yes to this latest update of jaws question, will I get a newer updated version of jaws 2020 or will I get the latest updated version release of jaws 2021? Any help with this question would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any possible help with this jaws update question I have !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2105.53 (May 2021)

 

The following is a list of improvements made between the April 2021 release and the May 2021 update.

 

Easier Navigation Through Email Threads in Outlook

 

It is quite common, particularly in a work or school environment, for email messages to include several people, resulting in lengthy message threads as
participants reply and add to the conversation. When opening an email that contains a thread of messages, including replies or forwards, it can be time
consuming to read through the thread with JAWS or Fusion using the ARROW keys to locate particular responses as you need to move through all of the header
information for each message.

 

To make this easier, you can now use the N or SHIFT+N Navigation Quick Keys to quickly move to and place focus at the beginning of the next or previous
message in an open email thread, skipping over all of the header information. As you navigate with these commands, JAWS and Fusion reads who the message
is from, the date it was sent, and the first line. If you determine this is not the message in the thread you were looking for, continue using N or SHIFT+N
until you reach the message you want. While reading a particular message in the thread, pressing ALT+1 or ALT+2 now announces the sender or date  of the
message at your current location. To review sender and date info for the entire email, press CTRL+HOME to move back to the top before pressing ALT+1 or
ALT+2.

 

For users of the Focus braille display, you can set a NAV rocker to move through messages in an open email thread. While focused in an email, press the
NAV Mode button above the NAV rocker you want to set to cycle through the available navigation modes until "Message" is selected. If you are using an older
Focus display that includes Wiz Wheels, press down on the wheel to select the mode. If focus moves away from the message, the navigation mode defaults
back to Line.

 

Note: Currently, this feature is only available while reading an email and not when editing a message. Additionally, while currently limited to messages
containing replies and forwards from Outlook, we will continue to improve this feature over time to support emails from other sources like Gmail and iOS.

 

Voice Assistant Improvements

 

In the initial 2021 release, we introduced Voice Assistant, a new way to interact with JAWS in Windows 10. Voice Assistant offers a convenient option for
quickly performing various JAWS commands using natural speech instead of memorizing specific keystrokes. Since its introduction, we have received numerous
requests from customers wanting to be able to access more JAWS features by voice in order to increase productivity.

 

Some JAWS features you can now access by using voice commands include:

 

list of 16 items
• Selecting Text, especially blocks of text, has never been easier. Just locate the spot where you wish to begin selecting and say "Hey Sharky, Start Selection."
Then navigate to the location where selection should end and say "Hey Sharky, Finish Selection." You did it! At that point, all text between the two locations
will be highlighted. You can confirm using the SHIFT+INSERT+DOWN ARROW Command to verify you got it all. This works on Web Pages, in Documents, and even
in Emails.
• Working with the JAWS speech history without remembering any keystrokes is now even easier. Try any of the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Show Speech History"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Speech History to Clipboard"
• "Hey Sharky, Clear Speech History"
list end nesting level 1
• Working with Technical Support just got easier. Have you ever been asked to get the version information for your software or operating system? Try this
out:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Version Info"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Version Info to Clipboard"
list end nesting level 1
• You can now ask JAWS to help virtualize a control or window, or even copy them directly to the Clipboard. For example, go to the JAWS About dialog box,
and try the following:
list of 4 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Control"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Control"
list end nesting level 1
• When navigating Word documents and Outlook messages, you can use Voice Assistant to work with various elements like headings, tables, and graphics. Try
the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, List Headings"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Table"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Graphic"
list end nesting level 1
• When editing a Word document or Outlook message, you can use Voice Assistant to move to Spelling or Grammatical errors. For Example, try:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Next Spelling Error"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Grammatical Error"
list end nesting level 1
• While reading a message in Outlook containing several replies or forwards, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Next Message" or "Previous Message." You will
skip the headings and get right to the various replies within that email.
• When focused on math content in Word that you wish to navigate, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Math Viewer." This opens the JAWS Math Viewer where you
can explore the current equation.
• To edit a math equation using the new Braille Math Editor, move to the equation and say "Hey Sharky, Math Editor."
• Toggle the Braille or Text Viewers on or off by saying "Hey Sharky, Braille Viewer" or "Text Viewer."
• Start or stop a JAWS Tandem session by saying "Hey Sharky, Tandem."
• Open the Select a Voice Profile dialog box by saying "Hey Sharky, Voice Profile."
• To access something in the System Tray, try saying "Hey Sharky, System Tray."
• Speak the most recent Windows notification by saying "Hey Sharky, Notification."
• If you have a laptop and want to know the charge level of its battery, just say "Hey Sharky, Battery."
• On a web page, open the Custom Label dialog box for labeling an element by saying "Hey Sharky, Custom Label."
list end

 

Braille Math Editor

 

JAWS and Fusion currently supports reading Math equations on web pages that are displayed using MathML, or math equations in Microsoft Word documents inserted
using the native Word math format. You can navigate the individual elements of an equation using the Math Viewer, accessed by pressing ENTER from a web
page or INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by EQUALS from a Word document when focused on the equation. If JAWS braille translation is set to Unified English Braille
or United States English Grade 1 or Grade 2 output, math expressions are also shown on a braille display using Nemeth Braille format.

 

The new Braille Math Editor in JAWS now enables braille users in Windows 10 to input their own equations, and in Office 365, edit existing equations in
Word documents. To open the Math Editor, press the layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by SHIFT+EQUALS (plus sign). Focus braille display users can
also press DOTS 3-4-6-7 CHORD.

 

When the Math Editor opens, focus is placed into an edit field where you can immediately begin typing the equation in Nemeth braille from your braille
display's keyboard. As you type, a preview pane below the edit field visually displays the equation so a sighted teacher or parent can review it. Once
you are finished inputting the math equation, press ENTER or choose the Accept button to close the Math Editor. If you are in Word, the equation you entered
is automatically inserted into the document at your current location. The equation is also copied to the Clipboard so you can paste it in other applications.

 

Opening the Math Editor while focused on a math equation in a Word document displays the existing equation in Nemeth Braille, allowing you to edit or replace
it. After making any changes and pressing ENTER to close the editor, the current equation in the document is replaced by the new or modified equation.

 

Note: After inserting or modifying an equation in Word from the Math Editor, the blinking cursor (dots 7 and 8) on the braille display always remains at
the beginning of the math content, even as you move by character with the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys. If you need to insert another line of math content,
first press the END key to move to the end of the current math content and then press ENTER.

 

While the Math Editor is opened, you have the following additional options:

 

list of 3 items
• Press CTRL+N to start a new equation.
• Press CTRL+P to preview the current equation in the Math Viewer. When finished, press ESC to return to the Math Editor.
• Press ALT+E to open the edit menu where you can copy your Nemeth Braille to the Clipboard using a specific format. MathML is the default format when
copying, however, depending on the application where you intend to paste the equation, you can also choose to copy your Nemeth Braille to LaTeX or Braille
ASCII. After choosing a format to copy to, paste the equation into the specific application before pressing ENTER or selecting Accept to close the Math
Editor as this always copies as MathML and will erase the current clipboard contents.
list end

 

To learn more about Nemeth Braille, check out this
Nemeth Tutorial
which teaches this braille code beginning with the very basics up through advanced mathematics.

 

Other Changes
list of 12 items
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not announcing the download status of files in Edge Chromium.
• Addressed an issue where the text of a link in a GMail message was not being read if it spanned multiple lines.
• When selecting a link or button on a web page that opens a modal dialog such as a calendar, resolved an issue where JAWS was reading the entire contents
of the dialog all at once as soon as it gained focus.
• JAWS now indicates when you move in and out of text in Google Docs that is marked as a suggestion.
• Expanded the description in Commands Search for setting a temporary PlaceMarker (CTRL+WINDOWS+K) to describe how this keystroke is used as part of selecting
text.
• Added the Copy Speech History to Clipboard keystroke (INSERT+SPACEBAR, CTRL+H) to Commands Search.
• Updated the description in Commands Search for the Read Address Bar keystroke (INSERT+A) so it can be found by searching for either "URL" or "address."
• If the Navigation Quick Key Manager is launched from an Outlook message, the Navigation Quick Key N for moving through messages in a thread, is now listed
so you can reassign it if necessary. The Navigation Quick Key Manager is located in the Run JAWS Manager dialog box (INSERT+F2).
• Resolved an issue where Navigation Quick Keys in Outlook messages would sometimes unexpectedly stop working until you moved focus away then back to the
message.
• When selecting text in Outlook messages for copying and pasting, addressed an issue where selection was not always working as expected, causing the wrong
text to be selected. This occurred most often in messages containing lists.
• Updated the INSERT+H help for Excel to list all of the latest JAWS hot keys.
• Added a new dictionary rule for "FYI" so JAWS no longer says the more verbose "for your information" when encountering this acronym.
list end

 

NOTICE: This confidential e-mail message is only for the intended recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that disclosing, copying, distributing, or any other use of this message, is strictly prohibited. In such case, please destroy this message and notify the sender.

 

 


moderated Re: using Thunderbird

Madison Martin
 

How do I find out what version I’m running? I’d assume it’s the latest one since I downloaded it from the Mazilla website

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: June 16, 2021 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: using Thunderbird

 

I wonder if you have the current version.  Mine auto-updates and says addons manager when i use those keys.

I'm running 78.11

 

 

On 6/16/2021 14:14, Madison Martin wrote:

Thanks for this, I’m having trouble installing the quick folder key navigation extension though. I follow the instructions, but I can’t even get past the first step because when I press a after pressing alt t I get the add-ons manager not add-on options, I assume these instructions are for the current vertion of Thunderbird?       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 15, 2021 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: using Thunderbird

 

Thunderbird Email Client Tutorial
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Mike B.
 


Hi Marty,
 
I don't use Vocalizer, but take a look at which speech and sound scheme you're running. 
 
Press, Insert, Alt + S, to open the sound scheme list and take notice of which scheme is highlighted. 
 
If it's not one called, Classic, navigate to the Classic scheme and press enter.  Now see if it reads any better.  If not switch back to your other scheme.  You could try other schemes to see if any others read better and keep in mind you can always switch back.
 
Also try switching to Eloquence and see if Eloquence reads correctly.
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

OK, JAWS reads my document perfectly with the alternative default mode on.  How do I figure out which setting is causing the problem?  I am using Vocalizer Expressive voice.  Could this be causing this?

On 6/16/2021 12:25 AM, Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io wrote:
Hi Marty, 

To find out if a JAWS setting is responsible for such a behavior you could activate the alternative User by pressing JAWS+Space, then Z. This temporarily turns off your settings to check if a setting is responsible for this. To go back to your normal user settings press the hot key again (JAWS+Space, Z). 

If no setting entry causes this issue you could provide such a file with a cloud device so one can have a closer look at this. 

Udo 

Am 16.06.2021 um 07:47 schrieb Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...>:

I have very few JAWS dictionary entries and I am sure that that is not one of them.  I don't know if this group allows attachments to messages, but I will try to attach a document with examples.  See if your system reads correctly.

On 6/15/2021 9:42 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I think reading word by word will not use a dictionary entry.
Might you have a dictionary entry that is making it speak nothing for that?
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Can you post an example of an email where it happens? For the record, on my system, it isn’t happening with the date in this message.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email
Hello,  I posted this question a while ago and this is still happening.  I will type a line of text in a WORD document with a date such as "Saturday, August 14".  when I read by pressing Insert + Down Arrow for Say All, or when reading by pressing Down Arrow to read line by line, JAWS will not say anything when I get to the line with the date in it.  If I read word by word by pressing Control + Right Arrow, JAWS will read perfectly.  This will also sometimes happen in an email as well.  I am using the latest JAWS with Windows 10 and Office 2016.  Has anyone else had this happen?
Thanks.
Marty Hutchings
The Gospel is freely accessible to all. 


moderated Re: slightly off topic: a big thankyou for the over ear headphones recommendations

Hank William Merchant
 

 
 
Hello,
 
I just want to say a big, big thank you to all the very helpful replies I got to my inquiry on what do people suggest for a really good pair of loud headphones for use in a call centre.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kindest regards,
 
Hank
 
 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?
 

And in looking these up there are many options including lighter weight foldable ones and even some with dual inputs and Bluetooth like this:

https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=OneOdio+Over+Ear+Headphones+Studio+Wired+Bass+Headsets+with+50mm+Driver&ref=nb_sb_noss

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

I hesitated to post this here initially as it is a Jaws list.  However given the persistence of interest I did a recent review on a pair of cheap headphones which would meet all these access requirements.

Review

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

 

Occasionally a mainstream product emerges which inadvertently meets all sorts of accessibility needs. The OneOdio Over Ear Headphone certainly do that, despite being described as D. J> Head pones, and their capacity for dual input may make them an important affordable access solution in the workplace.

 

Ironically access was not really considered when these headphones were ordered. They were a Christmas present from my daughter who was most interested in their noise cancelling aspect. The hope was that this would protect both herself and my wife from the sound of NVDA and Jaws leaking out whilst they were listening to the Television.

My deaf ears makes my listening volume loud and can disturb others with leakage.

 

Certainly these headphones reduce leakage and I now receive requests to switch back to them if I am using a different pair.

 

For general usage they are very pleasant wired headphones , with a good powerful bass sound. they are light if slightly bulky for portable usage. They are rated as the number 1 Amazon best seller for D. J Headphones.

They are also very reasonably priced at £34.99.

There are however 3 more important access features of these headphones.

 

The first access plus is the headphone loudness.

Prolonged loud headphone volume is undeniably dangerous for people with normal hearing. People with normal or mildly impaired hearing should heed all the warnings. However for people like me with congenital severe deafness it is essential to find headphones which can pump out volume. Pretty much every year I end up giving away headphones or earphones which are useless as they are just too quiet. Without suitable head pones producing sufficient volume I would be incapable of typing this review, making a pone call or listening to my Audio books Radio and Music.

Luckily these headphones are well capable of providing the necessary pump.

 

The second access capability is that they have sufficient headband tension to enable precise placement adjacent to or over my hearing aids. Lots of head pones are unusable with hearing aids as it is impossible to prevent high pitched feedback whistling without this precise placement.

 

Thirdly and probably most importantly is that these headphones can be used in dual input mode.

There are 2 input ports for the headphones.

The right ear receives an old style 6.5 mm headphone plug which has a normal 3.5mm plug at the other end of the cable. This cable is partly coiled to connect easily over distance too computers and other audio devices.

The left ear receives a small 2.5mm plug which via a shorter cable, connects to a normal 3.5mm plug. This cable includes an inline remote control and mic for playing and pausing, answering phone calls etc. This shorted cable is clearly suitable for connecting to any phone capable of receiving wired headphones.

I have tested this cable with my Google Pixel 4A and my old iPhone SE first generation via a lightning audio cable adapter. It worked as expected with both devices. It also worked with my Victor reader Trek and even paused and played via the remote inline control like the phones.

It received audio from my blind Shell Classic phone and Evo 10 Daisy Player but not surprisingly these devices did not respond to the inline remote control.

 

What I did not immediately appreciate is that it is possible to have both these input sources simultaneously connected.

So whilst I am typing this review I am also connected to my Blind Shell Classic phone. I am able to operate the phone, make and receive calls, all at the same time being able to consult my computer via my screenreader. If I need to make notes whilst listening to a call this is straightforward .

In the past this would be a struggle for me. For example I used to do Internet grocery shopping for my Mother in law, in her 90s. This involved me ringing her but also having to navigate the Sainsburys Web site on my PC. On several occasions I resorted to wearing 2 paris of headphones, one on top the other to try and complete this tricky process.

I would also have found these headphones an invaluable aid in work. In those days I relied on memory, clattering down notes immediately after the call.

More expensive phone and mixing devices were available , I remember using such a device at the RNIB but these headpones are a far easier, cheaper option.

 

I am, in summary, not sure what there is not to like. These are not a blue tooth option which is a plus for me because of issues i can describe another day.

Details from the Amazon Website below, and finally a link  to the UK Amazon below that.

David Griffith

 

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

Large, 50 millimeter speaker unit drivers combined with neodymium magnets provides stereo Hi-Fi level sound; powerful bass, clear vocal, and crisp high tones form perfect balanced sound.

• A standard-sized 3.5mm plug aux cable with mic are included (make it a headphone with mic. A long, DJ-style 9.8ft cord with 6.35 plug easily reaches from the TV or stereo to your sofa. They both are completely detachable, so that you don't need to spend all hours of the day plugged into your mixer.

• 90° swiveling earcups for single-ear monitoring anytime; self-adjustable and flexible headband delivers a fatigue-free listening experience that can last for hours, perfect for mastering and mixing.

• Luxuriously padded ear cushions are specifically designed for monitor headphones maximum comfort and noise isolation. The headband is adjustable and stretchable for you to find the desired angle you like to fit in.

• With the sleek design and high-end sound quality, OneOdio headphones are made for smart phones, all Androids, tablets, mp3 players, and related devices. OneOdio offers 30 days money back, 24-month guarantee and 24 hours friendly after service

 

Link to Amazon page.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/OneOdio-Headphones-Monitoring-Neodymium-Headsets-Standard-Version/dp/B01MZHAX5S

 

I post the below from my blog.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 15 June 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

And if you work for a call centre you should talk to your boss regarding a custom solution where you have Jaws on one ear and your phone call on the other. This is definitely possible with wired headsets, probably more difficult with Bluetooth.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

Hank,It sounds like ideally, you want something that would allow you to only use one ear; and what I remember about the Bose is that it would be very difficult to remove the left, or position it so your work headset could be worn.

 

Loudness somewhat depends on your system and the Jaws setting, but if you could use a Bluetooth single ear piece, there are lots of choices from Plantronics.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

 

 

Good morning Phillip,

 

I am personally looking for a very loud pair of good earphones so I will be able to hear jaws loud enough in only my right hand side ear, (I have a bit of hearing loss in my right hand side ear), because I will not be able to use my other ear to also hear jaws, because I will need to use my left hand side ear solely to hear properly incoming cusstomer calls and talk to them through a separte one ear headset with a mike at an incoming calls call centre.

 

Can you maybe please tell me if these Bose QC 35 II headphones are quite loud? Any help you can maybe give me with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

__ 

 

From: Phillip Gross

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:18 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

It helps to know what you are looking to spend. The options at $50 are a lot different than the $300 options.

I personally use the Bose QC 35 II headphones. I have had them for about 3 years now and use them daily. I would estimate I wear them an average of 8 hours a day including weekends. I use them for work and personal use. They have a Bluetooth option, and I do use it, but most of the time I plug them into my computer or iPad. The battery is supposed to last 20 hours if you’re using Bluetooth and 40 hours if they are plugged into a 3.5 jack and you’re just using noise canceling. The foam began coming out of the ear pieces about a year ago, but I replaced them for about $30.

 


moderated Re: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

Caps+f4 to quit jaws. 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of O.Addison Gethers <o.addisongethers@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:22:31 PM
To: jfw@groups.io <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on
 

Hi All

I’m trying to turns off jaws2020  and want to turns on jaws2021  !! How do I do it correctly ? I was on jaws2020  then I went to jaws menu  to press alt + o for option  then I hear it say basic  then I press tab to something about turns off notification  check box not check Is that I want ?

Addison  


moderated Jaws2020 tourns off and Jaws2021 turns on

O.Addison Gethers
 

Hi All

I’m trying to turns off jaws2020  and want to turns on jaws2021  !! How do I do it correctly ? I was on jaws2020  then I went to jaws menu  to press alt + o for option  then I hear it say basic  then I press tab to something about turns off notification  check box not check Is that I want ?

Addison  


moderated Re: using Thunderbird

Chris Hill
 

I wonder if you have the current version.  Mine auto-updates and says addons manager when i use those keys.

I'm running 78.11



On 6/16/2021 14:14, Madison Martin wrote:

Thanks for this, I’m having trouble installing the quick folder key navigation extension though. I follow the instructions, but I can’t even get past the first step because when I press a after pressing alt t I get the add-ons manager not add-on options, I assume these instructions are for the current vertion of Thunderbird?       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 15, 2021 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: using Thunderbird

 

Thunderbird Email Client Tutorial
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Marty Hutchings
 

OK, JAWS reads my document perfectly with the alternative default mode on.  How do I figure out which setting is causing the problem?  I am using Vocalizer Expressive voice.  Could this be causing this?

On 6/16/2021 12:25 AM, Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io wrote:
Hi Marty, 

To find out if a JAWS setting is responsible for such a behavior you could activate the alternative User by pressing JAWS+Space, then Z. This temporarily turns off your settings to check if a setting is responsible for this. To go back to your normal user settings press the hot key again (JAWS+Space, Z). 

If no setting entry causes this issue you could provide such a file with a cloud device so one can have a closer look at this. 

Udo 

Am 16.06.2021 um 07:47 schrieb Marty Hutchings <mhutchings152730@...>:

I have very few JAWS dictionary entries and I am sure that that is not one of them.  I don't know if this group allows attachments to messages, but I will try to attach a document with examples.  See if your system reads correctly.

On 6/15/2021 9:42 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I think reading word by word will not use a dictionary entry.
Might you have a dictionary entry that is making it speak nothing for that?
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email

Can you post an example of an email where it happens? For the record, on my system, it isn’t happening with the date in this message.
 
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWSnot reading lines of text with dates in them in WORD and email
 
Hello,  I posted this question a while ago and this is still happening.  I will type a line of text in a WORD document with a date such as "Saturday, August 14".  when I read by pressing Insert + Down Arrow for Say All, or when reading by pressing Down Arrow to read line by line, JAWS will not say anything when I get to the line with the date in it.  If I read word by word by pressing Control + Right Arrow, JAWS will read perfectly.  This will also sometimes happen in an email as well.  I am using the latest JAWS with Windows 10 and Office 2016.  Has anyone else had this happen?
Thanks.
Marty Hutchings
The Gospel is freely accessible to all. 


moderated Re: using Thunderbird

Madison Martin
 

Thanks for this, I’m having trouble installing the quick folder key navigation extension though. I follow the instructions, but I can’t even get past the first step because when I press a after pressing alt t I get the add-ons manager not add-on options, I assume these instructions are for the current vertion of Thunderbird?       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 15, 2021 2:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: using Thunderbird

 

Thunderbird Email Client Tutorial
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Maria Campbell
 

The only American surnames might be Red Wolf or White Cloud, possible native American Indian names.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 6/16/2021 1:02 PM, David Diamond wrote:

Exactly, that was why I objected to someone with a sir name that indicated they came from immigrants, complaining loudly about other citizens who perhaps did not have an U S name. I guess I live in my own world, I treat everyone or try to, equally.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June 16, 2021 9:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

What exactly is an American sir name? The United States just as Canada and Australia is a country made up of immigrants from around the world and just because the Mayflower carried the first colonists, not all American names are Alden, Brown, Allerton or Bradford.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

Because one of the chronic complainers on this group about posts being off topic  was the first one to rail against Non U S citizens on a windows group, yet he himself does not have an American sir name.  Is that not hypocritical? Some people live to cause controversy and are quick to tell mods what they should be doing. If I don’t like a thread, I hit the delete key.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: June 15, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

Why can’t we all be more tolerant and less worried about posts that are posted too this list.  After all, aren’t we here for the purpose of providing help to each other when its needed? I know that I myself, has benefited from all of the help and advice and suggestion from other users of Jaws.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

I 2000 percent agree with you Gerald. Oh and why do we never ever hear from the owner of this list? Boy I miss Rick's old JFW list. If this behavior continues I'm going, going, gone! Their is a FB JAWS group on FB that I like so if you happen to see me their I'll do my best.

On 6/15/2021 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 

I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 

 

Gerald

 

 


moderated Re: Purpose of This List

David Diamond
 

Exactly, that was why I objected to someone with a sir name that indicated they came from immigrants, complaining loudly about other citizens who perhaps did not have an U S name. I guess I live in my own world, I treat everyone or try to, equally.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June 16, 2021 9:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

What exactly is an American sir name? The United States just as Canada and Australia is a country made up of immigrants from around the world and just because the Mayflower carried the first colonists, not all American names are Alden, Brown, Allerton or Bradford.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

Because one of the chronic complainers on this group about posts being off topic  was the first one to rail against Non U S citizens on a windows group, yet he himself does not have an American sir name.  Is that not hypocritical? Some people live to cause controversy and are quick to tell mods what they should be doing. If I don’t like a thread, I hit the delete key.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: June 15, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

Why can’t we all be more tolerant and less worried about posts that are posted too this list.  After all, aren’t we here for the purpose of providing help to each other when its needed? I know that I myself, has benefited from all of the help and advice and suggestion from other users of Jaws.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

I 2000 percent agree with you Gerald. Oh and why do we never ever hear from the owner of this list? Boy I miss Rick's old JFW list. If this behavior continues I'm going, going, gone! Their is a FB JAWS group on FB that I like so if you happen to see me their I'll do my best.

On 6/15/2021 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:

 

I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 

 

Gerald

 

 


moderated Re: Purpose of This List

 

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What exactly is an American sir name?
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What, exactly, is a "sir name," period?  If you (the generic you) are referring to someone's family name (e.g., Vogel, in my case) that's a surname.  One word, not two, and no letter I involved.
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