Date   

moderated using Thunderbird

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
So I decided to download Thunderbird since it's free and it seems to be popular
among screen reader users and also for when I eventually move out in case I
can't afford an Office 365 subscription. I was able to access my gmail account,
but I haven't done anything else yet. So for those of you who use it , what do I
need to know about using Thunderbird with Jaws? Is there a list of keystrokes?
I'm used to using Outlook, what are the differences and similarities between
Outlook and Thunderbird? Are there any mailing lists for Thunderbird users? I'm
not sure I want to give up Outlook, but I'd still like to know how to use
Thunderbird. Using latest versions of Jaws and Windows 10. Any
help/info/suggestions/tips anyone can provide are very much appreciated!!!!!!!
Thanks
Madison


moderated Re: Laragon

Robbie Curtis
 

Hi David,


I do have NVDA on my computer but forgot all about seeing if it will read the menu. Thanks for that.

On 6/15/2021 3:25 AM, David Bailes wrote:
Hi Robbie Curtis,
I tried reading that Laragon menu using Jaws, nvda, and narrator, and only had any success using NVDA.

David.

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 11:15 PM, Robbie Curtis wrote:
Good Evening,


Have a question to see if any of you are having this issue. I am trying
to access the menu for Laragon through the system tray. When I do, the
menus are not showing or telling me which item I am arrowing to. It
occasionally says submenu but cannot determine what's inside.


I am using windows 10 and JAWS 2021. Looking forward to any replies and
suggestions.


moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Gerald Levy
 


Keep in mind that not only is the JFW-Users list more tightly moderated, it boasts Eric Damery as a member.


Gerald



On 6/15/2021 12:38 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Hi Lino,
Here's a link to JFW-Users on groups.IO
There is a way to subscribe to groups.io lists using the plus sign, but I forget just how to put it, maybe
but if that doesn't work, the first link is to that site where you can join.
HTH.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

Where is said list Len? Thanks and reply privately.

On 6/15/2021 12:18 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

There is a strictly managed JFW list that folks can join.
So there's nothing stopping folks from leaving a loosely managed list like this one.
If all lists were the same, there wouldn't be many of them.
That's life, and that's choice.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

I 2000 percent agree with you Gerald. Oh and why do we never ever hear from the owner of this list? Boy I miss Rick's old JFW list. If this behavior continues I'm going, going, gone! Their is a FB JAWS group on FB that I like so if you happen to see me their I'll do my best.

On 6/15/2021 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 


Gerald




moderated Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

James English
 

Hello,

I have chosen a pair of Jabra headphones, as they have voice feedback
on all of the controls, integration with voice assistants and
(importantly) the advanced features work over the 3.5 mm headphone
jack which a few of them don't. The only complaint I have is that they
are a bit quiet, I had to turn them up from the setting I used my
previous bose and sony headphones at.

- James

On 6/15/21, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca> wrote:
And in looking these up there are many options including lighter weight
foldable ones and even some with dual inputs and Bluetooth like this:
https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=OneOdio+Over+Ear+Headphones+Studio+Wired+Bass+Headsets+with+50mm+Driver&ref=nb_sb_noss

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

I hesitated to post this here initially as it is a Jaws list. However given
the persistence of interest I did a recent review on a pair of cheap
headphones which would meet all these access requirements.
Review
OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

Occasionally a mainstream product emerges which inadvertently meets all
sorts of accessibility needs. The OneOdio Over Ear Headphone certainly do
that, despite being described as D. J> Head pones, and their capacity for
dual input may make them an important affordable access solution in the
workplace.

Ironically access was not really considered when these headphones were
ordered. They were a Christmas present from my daughter who was most
interested in their noise cancelling aspect. The hope was that this would
protect both herself and my wife from the sound of NVDA and Jaws leaking out
whilst they were listening to the Television.
My deaf ears makes my listening volume loud and can disturb others with
leakage.

Certainly these headphones reduce leakage and I now receive requests to
switch back to them if I am using a different pair.

For general usage they are very pleasant wired headphones , with a good
powerful bass sound. they are light if slightly bulky for portable usage.
They are rated as the number 1 Amazon best seller for D. J Headphones.
They are also very reasonably priced at £34.99.
There are however 3 more important access features of these headphones.

The first access plus is the headphone loudness.
Prolonged loud headphone volume is undeniably dangerous for people with
normal hearing. People with normal or mildly impaired hearing should heed
all the warnings. However for people like me with congenital severe deafness
it is essential to find headphones which can pump out volume. Pretty much
every year I end up giving away headphones or earphones which are useless as
they are just too quiet. Without suitable head pones producing sufficient
volume I would be incapable of typing this review, making a pone call or
listening to my Audio books Radio and Music.
Luckily these headphones are well capable of providing the necessary pump.

The second access capability is that they have sufficient headband tension
to enable precise placement adjacent to or over my hearing aids. Lots of
head pones are unusable with hearing aids as it is impossible to prevent
high pitched feedback whistling without this precise placement.

Thirdly and probably most importantly is that these headphones can be used
in dual input mode.
There are 2 input ports for the headphones.
The right ear receives an old style 6.5 mm headphone plug which has a normal
3.5mm plug at the other end of the cable. This cable is partly coiled to
connect easily over distance too computers and other audio devices.
The left ear receives a small 2.5mm plug which via a shorter cable, connects
to a normal 3.5mm plug. This cable includes an inline remote control and mic
for playing and pausing, answering phone calls etc. This shorted cable is
clearly suitable for connecting to any phone capable of receiving wired
headphones.
I have tested this cable with my Google Pixel 4A and my old iPhone SE first
generation via a lightning audio cable adapter. It worked as expected with
both devices. It also worked with my Victor reader Trek and even paused and
played via the remote inline control like the phones.
It received audio from my blind Shell Classic phone and Evo 10 Daisy Player
but not surprisingly these devices did not respond to the inline remote
control.

What I did not immediately appreciate is that it is possible to have both
these input sources simultaneously connected.
So whilst I am typing this review I am also connected to my Blind Shell
Classic phone. I am able to operate the phone, make and receive calls, all
at the same time being able to consult my computer via my screenreader. If I
need to make notes whilst listening to a call this is straightforward .
In the past this would be a struggle for me. For example I used to do
Internet grocery shopping for my Mother in law, in her 90s. This involved me
ringing her but also having to navigate the Sainsburys Web site on my PC. On
several occasions I resorted to wearing 2 paris of headphones, one on top
the other to try and complete this tricky process.
I would also have found these headphones an invaluable aid in work. In those
days I relied on memory, clattering down notes immediately after the call.
More expensive phone and mixing devices were available , I remember using
such a device at the RNIB but these headpones are a far easier, cheaper
option.

I am, in summary, not sure what there is not to like. These are not a blue
tooth option which is a plus for me because of issues i can describe another
day.
Details from the Amazon Website below, and finally a link to the UK Amazon
below that.
David Griffith

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver
Large, 50 millimeter speaker unit drivers combined with neodymium magnets
provides stereo Hi-Fi level sound; powerful bass, clear vocal, and crisp
high tones form perfect balanced sound.
• A standard-sized 3.5mm plug aux cable with mic are included (make it a
headphone with mic. A long, DJ-style 9.8ft cord with 6.35 plug easily
reaches from the TV or stereo to your sofa. They both are completely
detachable, so that you don't need to spend all hours of the day plugged
into your mixer.
• 90° swiveling earcups for single-ear monitoring anytime; self-adjustable
and flexible headband delivers a fatigue-free listening experience that can
last for hours, perfect for mastering and mixing.
• Luxuriously padded ear cushions are specifically designed for monitor
headphones maximum comfort and noise isolation. The headband is adjustable
and stretchable for you to find the desired angle you like to fit in.
• With the sleek design and high-end sound quality, OneOdio headphones are
made for smart phones, all Androids, tablets, mp3 players, and related
devices. OneOdio offers 30 days money back, 24-month guarantee and 24 hours
friendly after service

Link to Amazon page.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/OneOdio-Headphones-Monitoring-Neodymium-Headsets-Standard-Version/dp/B01MZHAX5S


I post the below from my blog.
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10

From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:sieghard@live.ca>
Sent: 15 June 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

And if you work for a call centre you should talk to your boss regarding a
custom solution where you have Jaws on one ear and your phone call on the
other. This is definitely possible with wired headsets, probably more
difficult with Bluetooth.

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

Hank,It sounds like ideally, you want something that would allow you to only
use one ear; and what I remember about the Bose is that it would be very
difficult to remove the left, or position it so your work headset could be
worn.

Loudness somewhat depends on your system and the Jaws setting, but if you
could use a Bluetooth single ear piece, there are lots of choices from
Plantronics.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Hank William
Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?



Good morning Phillip,

I am personally looking for a very loud pair of good earphones so I will be
able to hear jaws loud enough in only my right hand side ear, (I have a bit
of hearing loss in my right hand side ear), because I will not be able to
use my other ear to also hear jaws, because I will need to use my left hand
side ear solely to hear properly incoming cusstomer calls and talk to them
through a separte one ear headset with a mike at an incoming calls call
centre.

Can you maybe please tell me if these Bose QC 35 II headphones are quite
loud? Any help you can maybe give me with this would be so very much
appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help!







Kindest regards,

Hank


__

From: Phillip Gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

It helps to know what you are looking to spend. The options at $50 are a lot
different than the $300 options.

I personally use the Bose QC 35 II headphones. I have had them for about 3
years now and use them daily. I would estimate I wear them an average of 8
hours a day including weekends. I use them for work and personal use. They
have a Bluetooth option, and I do use it, but most of the time I plug them
into my computer or iPad. The battery is supposed to last 20 hours if you’re
using Bluetooth and 40 hours if they are plugged into a 3.5 jack and you’re
just using noise canceling. The foam began coming out of the ear pieces
about a year ago, but I replaced them for about $30.








moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Thanks. I' notnew to groups.io so I'll just sub using the group's site.

On 6/15/2021 12:38 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Hi Lino,
Here's a link to JFW-Users on groups.IO
There is a way to subscribe to groups.io lists using the plus sign, but I forget just how to put it, maybe
but if that doesn't work, the first link is to that site where you can join.
HTH.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

Where is said list Len? Thanks and reply privately.

On 6/15/2021 12:18 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

There is a strictly managed JFW list that folks can join.
So there's nothing stopping folks from leaving a loosely managed list like this one.
If all lists were the same, there wouldn't be many of them.
That's life, and that's choice.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

I 2000 percent agree with you Gerald. Oh and why do we never ever hear from the owner of this list? Boy I miss Rick's old JFW list. If this behavior continues I'm going, going, gone! Their is a FB JAWS group on FB that I like so if you happen to see me their I'll do my best.

On 6/15/2021 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 


Gerald




moderated Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

And in looking these up there are many options including lighter weight foldable ones and even some with dual inputs and Bluetooth like this:

https://www.amazon.ca/s?k=OneOdio+Over+Ear+Headphones+Studio+Wired+Bass+Headsets+with+50mm+Driver&ref=nb_sb_noss

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

I hesitated to post this here initially as it is a Jaws list.  However given the persistence of interest I did a recent review on a pair of cheap headphones which would meet all these access requirements.

Review

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

 

Occasionally a mainstream product emerges which inadvertently meets all sorts of accessibility needs. The OneOdio Over Ear Headphone certainly do that, despite being described as D. J> Head pones, and their capacity for dual input may make them an important affordable access solution in the workplace.

 

Ironically access was not really considered when these headphones were ordered. They were a Christmas present from my daughter who was most interested in their noise cancelling aspect. The hope was that this would protect both herself and my wife from the sound of NVDA and Jaws leaking out whilst they were listening to the Television.

My deaf ears makes my listening volume loud and can disturb others with leakage.

 

Certainly these headphones reduce leakage and I now receive requests to switch back to them if I am using a different pair.

 

For general usage they are very pleasant wired headphones , with a good powerful bass sound. they are light if slightly bulky for portable usage. They are rated as the number 1 Amazon best seller for D. J Headphones.

They are also very reasonably priced at £34.99.

There are however 3 more important access features of these headphones.

 

The first access plus is the headphone loudness.

Prolonged loud headphone volume is undeniably dangerous for people with normal hearing. People with normal or mildly impaired hearing should heed all the warnings. However for people like me with congenital severe deafness it is essential to find headphones which can pump out volume. Pretty much every year I end up giving away headphones or earphones which are useless as they are just too quiet. Without suitable head pones producing sufficient volume I would be incapable of typing this review, making a pone call or listening to my Audio books Radio and Music.

Luckily these headphones are well capable of providing the necessary pump.

 

The second access capability is that they have sufficient headband tension to enable precise placement adjacent to or over my hearing aids. Lots of head pones are unusable with hearing aids as it is impossible to prevent high pitched feedback whistling without this precise placement.

 

Thirdly and probably most importantly is that these headphones can be used in dual input mode.

There are 2 input ports for the headphones.

The right ear receives an old style 6.5 mm headphone plug which has a normal 3.5mm plug at the other end of the cable. This cable is partly coiled to connect easily over distance too computers and other audio devices.

The left ear receives a small 2.5mm plug which via a shorter cable, connects to a normal 3.5mm plug. This cable includes an inline remote control and mic for playing and pausing, answering phone calls etc. This shorted cable is clearly suitable for connecting to any phone capable of receiving wired headphones.

I have tested this cable with my Google Pixel 4A and my old iPhone SE first generation via a lightning audio cable adapter. It worked as expected with both devices. It also worked with my Victor reader Trek and even paused and played via the remote inline control like the phones.

It received audio from my blind Shell Classic phone and Evo 10 Daisy Player but not surprisingly these devices did not respond to the inline remote control.

 

What I did not immediately appreciate is that it is possible to have both these input sources simultaneously connected.

So whilst I am typing this review I am also connected to my Blind Shell Classic phone. I am able to operate the phone, make and receive calls, all at the same time being able to consult my computer via my screenreader. If I need to make notes whilst listening to a call this is straightforward .

In the past this would be a struggle for me. For example I used to do Internet grocery shopping for my Mother in law, in her 90s. This involved me ringing her but also having to navigate the Sainsburys Web site on my PC. On several occasions I resorted to wearing 2 paris of headphones, one on top the other to try and complete this tricky process.

I would also have found these headphones an invaluable aid in work. In those days I relied on memory, clattering down notes immediately after the call.

More expensive phone and mixing devices were available , I remember using such a device at the RNIB but these headpones are a far easier, cheaper option.

 

I am, in summary, not sure what there is not to like. These are not a blue tooth option which is a plus for me because of issues i can describe another day.

Details from the Amazon Website below, and finally a link  to the UK Amazon below that.

David Griffith

 

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

Large, 50 millimeter speaker unit drivers combined with neodymium magnets provides stereo Hi-Fi level sound; powerful bass, clear vocal, and crisp high tones form perfect balanced sound.

• A standard-sized 3.5mm plug aux cable with mic are included (make it a headphone with mic. A long, DJ-style 9.8ft cord with 6.35 plug easily reaches from the TV or stereo to your sofa. They both are completely detachable, so that you don't need to spend all hours of the day plugged into your mixer.

• 90° swiveling earcups for single-ear monitoring anytime; self-adjustable and flexible headband delivers a fatigue-free listening experience that can last for hours, perfect for mastering and mixing.

• Luxuriously padded ear cushions are specifically designed for monitor headphones maximum comfort and noise isolation. The headband is adjustable and stretchable for you to find the desired angle you like to fit in.

• With the sleek design and high-end sound quality, OneOdio headphones are made for smart phones, all Androids, tablets, mp3 players, and related devices. OneOdio offers 30 days money back, 24-month guarantee and 24 hours friendly after service

 

Link to Amazon page.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/OneOdio-Headphones-Monitoring-Neodymium-Headsets-Standard-Version/dp/B01MZHAX5S

 

I post the below from my blog.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 15 June 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

And if you work for a call centre you should talk to your boss regarding a custom solution where you have Jaws on one ear and your phone call on the other. This is definitely possible with wired headsets, probably more difficult with Bluetooth.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

Hank,It sounds like ideally, you want something that would allow you to only use one ear; and what I remember about the Bose is that it would be very difficult to remove the left, or position it so your work headset could be worn.

 

Loudness somewhat depends on your system and the Jaws setting, but if you could use a Bluetooth single ear piece, there are lots of choices from Plantronics.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

 

 

Good morning Phillip,

 

I am personally looking for a very loud pair of good earphones so I will be able to hear jaws loud enough in only my right hand side ear, (I have a bit of hearing loss in my right hand side ear), because I will not be able to use my other ear to also hear jaws, because I will need to use my left hand side ear solely to hear properly incoming cusstomer calls and talk to them through a separte one ear headset with a mike at an incoming calls call centre.

 

Can you maybe please tell me if these Bose QC 35 II headphones are quite loud? Any help you can maybe give me with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

__ 

 

From: Phillip Gross

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:18 AM

Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

It helps to know what you are looking to spend. The options at $50 are a lot different than the $300 options.

I personally use the Bose QC 35 II headphones. I have had them for about 3 years now and use them daily. I would estimate I wear them an average of 8 hours a day including weekends. I use them for work and personal use. They have a Bluetooth option, and I do use it, but most of the time I plug them into my computer or iPad. The battery is supposed to last 20 hours if you’re using Bluetooth and 40 hours if they are plugged into a 3.5 jack and you’re just using noise canceling. The foam began coming out of the ear pieces about a year ago, but I replaced them for about $30.

 


moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Glenn / Lenny
 


Hi Lino,
Here's a link to JFW-Users on groups.IO
There is a way to subscribe to groups.io lists using the plus sign, but I forget just how to put it, maybe
but if that doesn't work, the first link is to that site where you can join.
HTH.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

Where is said list Len? Thanks and reply privately.

On 6/15/2021 12:18 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

There is a strictly managed JFW list that folks can join.
So there's nothing stopping folks from leaving a loosely managed list like this one.
If all lists were the same, there wouldn't be many of them.
That's life, and that's choice.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

I 2000 percent agree with you Gerald. Oh and why do we never ever hear from the owner of this list? Boy I miss Rick's old JFW list. If this behavior continues I'm going, going, gone! Their is a FB JAWS group on FB that I like so if you happen to see me their I'll do my best.

On 6/15/2021 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 


Gerald




moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Where is said list Len? Thanks and reply privately.

On 6/15/2021 12:18 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

There is a strictly managed JFW list that folks can join.
So there's nothing stopping folks from leaving a loosely managed list like this one.
If all lists were the same, there wouldn't be many of them.
That's life, and that's choice.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

I 2000 percent agree with you Gerald. Oh and why do we never ever hear from the owner of this list? Boy I miss Rick's old JFW list. If this behavior continues I'm going, going, gone! Their is a FB JAWS group on FB that I like so if you happen to see me their I'll do my best.

On 6/15/2021 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 


Gerald




moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Glenn / Lenny
 


There is a strictly managed JFW list that folks can join.
So there's nothing stopping folks from leaving a loosely managed list like this one.
If all lists were the same, there wouldn't be many of them.
That's life, and that's choice.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

I 2000 percent agree with you Gerald. Oh and why do we never ever hear from the owner of this list? Boy I miss Rick's old JFW list. If this behavior continues I'm going, going, gone! Their is a FB JAWS group on FB that I like so if you happen to see me their I'll do my best.

On 6/15/2021 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 


Gerald




moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I 2000 percent agree with you Gerald. Oh and why do we never ever hear from the owner of this list? Boy I miss Rick's old JFW list. If this behavior continues I'm going, going, gone! Their is a FB JAWS group on FB that I like so if you happen to see me their I'll do my best.

On 6/15/2021 7:32 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:


I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 


Gerald




moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Mario
 

or just ignore any such posts.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Subject: Purpose of This List
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2021, 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
As others already pointed out, the solution is "Mute this topic", much
easier and quicker than counting over 50 messages 😂

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via groups.io
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:16 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Purpose of This List

That's the big problem with this list.  Most discussions lately have
been about anything but JAWS.  I counted over 50 messages in the thread
about audio description.  And the list owner, if there is one, has never
responded to inquiries about how this list is run.  Personally, I don't
care whether members go off topic, and I usually enjoy reading these off
topic messages, but I think the list owner, if there is even anyone in
charge, has a responsibilty to clarify wheterh this is permissible and
even consider changing the name of this list to reflect its more general
nature.

Gerald

On 6/15/2021 8:29 AM, Jeff Christiansen wrote:

Most discussions are about JAWS but for those discussions that truly
bother you just use the mute option

It only requires you to be flexible

Sent From My Mobile



On Jun 15, 2021, at 05:32, Gerald Levy via groups.io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:



I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of
issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have
been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with
JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this
list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related
to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this
list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion
forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to
reflect this?  Thanks.

Gerald


moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Mario
 

or just ignore any such posts.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Sieghard Weitzel [mailto:sieghard@live.ca]
Subject: Purpose of This List
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2021, 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
As others already pointed out, the solution is "Mute this topic", much
easier and quicker than counting over 50 messages 😂

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gerald
Levy via groups.io
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:16 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Purpose of This List

That's the big problem with this list.  Most discussions lately have
been about anything but JAWS.  I counted over 50 messages in the thread
about audio description.  And the list owner, if there is one, has never
responded to inquiries about how this list is run.  Personally, I don't
care whether members go off topic, and I usually enjoy reading these off
topic messages, but I think the list owner, if there is even anyone in
charge, has a responsibilty to clarify wheterh this is permissible and
even consider changing the name of this list to reflect its more general
nature.

Gerald

On 6/15/2021 8:29 AM, Jeff Christiansen wrote:

Most discussions are about JAWS but for those discussions that truly
bother you just use the mute option

It only requires you to be flexible

Sent From My Mobile



On Jun 15, 2021, at 05:32, Gerald Levy via groups.io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:



I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of
issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have
been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with
JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this
list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related
to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this
list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion
forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to
reflect this?  Thanks.

Gerald


moderated Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

David Griffith
 

I hesitated to post this here initially as it is a Jaws list.  However given the persistence of interest I did a recent review on a pair of cheap headphones which would meet all these access requirements.

Review

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

 

Occasionally a mainstream product emerges which inadvertently meets all sorts of accessibility needs. The OneOdio Over Ear Headphone certainly do that, despite being described as D. J> Head pones, and their capacity for dual input may make them an important affordable access solution in the workplace.

 

Ironically access was not really considered when these headphones were ordered. They were a Christmas present from my daughter who was most interested in their noise cancelling aspect. The hope was that this would protect both herself and my wife from the sound of NVDA and Jaws leaking out whilst they were listening to the Television.

My deaf ears makes my listening volume loud and can disturb others with leakage.

 

Certainly these headphones reduce leakage and I now receive requests to switch back to them if I am using a different pair.

 

For general usage they are very pleasant wired headphones , with a good powerful bass sound. they are light if slightly bulky for portable usage. They are rated as the number 1 Amazon best seller for D. J Headphones.

They are also very reasonably priced at £34.99.

There are however 3 more important access features of these headphones.

 

The first access plus is the headphone loudness.

Prolonged loud headphone volume is undeniably dangerous for people with normal hearing. People with normal or mildly impaired hearing should heed all the warnings. However for people like me with congenital severe deafness it is essential to find headphones which can pump out volume. Pretty much every year I end up giving away headphones or earphones which are useless as they are just too quiet. Without suitable head pones producing sufficient volume I would be incapable of typing this review, making a pone call or listening to my Audio books Radio and Music.

Luckily these headphones are well capable of providing the necessary pump.

 

The second access capability is that they have sufficient headband tension to enable precise placement adjacent to or over my hearing aids. Lots of head pones are unusable with hearing aids as it is impossible to prevent high pitched feedback whistling without this precise placement.

 

Thirdly and probably most importantly is that these headphones can be used in dual input mode.

There are 2 input ports for the headphones.

The right ear receives an old style 6.5 mm headphone plug which has a normal 3.5mm plug at the other end of the cable. This cable is partly coiled to connect easily over distance too computers and other audio devices.

The left ear receives a small 2.5mm plug which via a shorter cable, connects to a normal 3.5mm plug. This cable includes an inline remote control and mic for playing and pausing, answering phone calls etc. This shorted cable is clearly suitable for connecting to any phone capable of receiving wired headphones.

I have tested this cable with my Google Pixel 4A and my old iPhone SE first generation via a lightning audio cable adapter. It worked as expected with both devices. It also worked with my Victor reader Trek and even paused and played via the remote inline control like the phones.

It received audio from my blind Shell Classic phone and Evo 10 Daisy Player but not surprisingly these devices did not respond to the inline remote control.

 

What I did not immediately appreciate is that it is possible to have both these input sources simultaneously connected.

So whilst I am typing this review I am also connected to my Blind Shell Classic phone. I am able to operate the phone, make and receive calls, all at the same time being able to consult my computer via my screenreader. If I need to make notes whilst listening to a call this is straightforward .

In the past this would be a struggle for me. For example I used to do Internet grocery shopping for my Mother in law, in her 90s. This involved me ringing her but also having to navigate the Sainsburys Web site on my PC. On several occasions I resorted to wearing 2 paris of headphones, one on top the other to try and complete this tricky process.

I would also have found these headphones an invaluable aid in work. In those days I relied on memory, clattering down notes immediately after the call.

More expensive phone and mixing devices were available , I remember using such a device at the RNIB but these headpones are a far easier, cheaper option.

 

I am, in summary, not sure what there is not to like. These are not a blue tooth option which is a plus for me because of issues i can describe another day.

Details from the Amazon Website below, and finally a link  to the UK Amazon below that.

David Griffith

 

OneOdio Over Ear Headphones Studio Wired Bass Headsets with 50mm Driver

Large, 50 millimeter speaker unit drivers combined with neodymium magnets provides stereo Hi-Fi level sound; powerful bass, clear vocal, and crisp high tones form perfect balanced sound.

• A standard-sized 3.5mm plug aux cable with mic are included (make it a headphone with mic. A long, DJ-style 9.8ft cord with 6.35 plug easily reaches from the TV or stereo to your sofa. They both are completely detachable, so that you don't need to spend all hours of the day plugged into your mixer.

• 90° swiveling earcups for single-ear monitoring anytime; self-adjustable and flexible headband delivers a fatigue-free listening experience that can last for hours, perfect for mastering and mixing.

• Luxuriously padded ear cushions are specifically designed for monitor headphones maximum comfort and noise isolation. The headband is adjustable and stretchable for you to find the desired angle you like to fit in.

• With the sleek design and high-end sound quality, OneOdio headphones are made for smart phones, all Androids, tablets, mp3 players, and related devices. OneOdio offers 30 days money back, 24-month guarantee and 24 hours friendly after service

 

Link to Amazon page.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/OneOdio-Headphones-Monitoring-Neodymium-Headsets-Standard-Version/dp/B01MZHAX5S

 

I post the below from my blog.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 15 June 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

And if you work for a call centre you should talk to your boss regarding a custom solution where you have Jaws on one ear and your phone call on the other. This is definitely possible with wired headsets, probably more difficult with Bluetooth.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

Hank,It sounds like ideally, you want something that would allow you to only use one ear; and what I remember about the Bose is that it would be very difficult to remove the left, or position it so your work headset could be worn.

 

Loudness somewhat depends on your system and the Jaws setting, but if you could use a Bluetooth single ear piece, there are lots of choices from Plantronics.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

 

 

Good morning Phillip,

 

I am personally looking for a very loud pair of good earphones so I will be able to hear jaws loud enough in only my right hand side ear, (I have a bit of hearing loss in my right hand side ear), because I will not be able to use my other ear to also hear jaws, because I will need to use my left hand side ear solely to hear properly incoming cusstomer calls and talk to them through a separte one ear headset with a mike at an incoming calls call centre.

 

Can you maybe please tell me if these Bose QC 35 II headphones are quite loud? Any help you can maybe give me with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

__ 

 

From: Phillip Gross

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:18 AM

Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

It helps to know what you are looking to spend. The options at $50 are a lot different than the $300 options.

I personally use the Bose QC 35 II headphones. I have had them for about 3 years now and use them daily. I would estimate I wear them an average of 8 hours a day including weekends. I use them for work and personal use. They have a Bluetooth option, and I do use it, but most of the time I plug them into my computer or iPad. The battery is supposed to last 20 hours if you’re using Bluetooth and 40 hours if they are plugged into a 3.5 jack and you’re just using noise canceling. The foam began coming out of the ear pieces about a year ago, but I replaced them for about $30.

 


moderated Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

And if you work for a call centre you should talk to your boss regarding a custom solution where you have Jaws on one ear and your phone call on the other. This is definitely possible with wired headsets, probably more difficult with Bluetooth.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

Hank,It sounds like ideally, you want something that would allow you to only use one ear; and what I remember about the Bose is that it would be very difficult to remove the left, or position it so your work headset could be worn.

 

Loudness somewhat depends on your system and the Jaws setting, but if you could use a Bluetooth single ear piece, there are lots of choices from Plantronics.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

 

 

Good morning Phillip,

 

I am personally looking for a very loud pair of good earphones so I will be able to hear jaws loud enough in only my right hand side ear, (I have a bit of hearing loss in my right hand side ear), because I will not be able to use my other ear to also hear jaws, because I will need to use my left hand side ear solely to hear properly incoming cusstomer calls and talk to them through a separte one ear headset with a mike at an incoming calls call centre.

 

Can you maybe please tell me if these Bose QC 35 II headphones are quite loud? Any help you can maybe give me with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

__ 

 

From: Phillip Gross

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:18 AM

Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

It helps to know what you are looking to spend. The options at $50 are a lot different than the $300 options.

I personally use the Bose QC 35 II headphones. I have had them for about 3 years now and use them daily. I would estimate I wear them an average of 8 hours a day including weekends. I use them for work and personal use. They have a Bluetooth option, and I do use it, but most of the time I plug them into my computer or iPad. The battery is supposed to last 20 hours if you’re using Bluetooth and 40 hours if they are plugged into a 3.5 jack and you’re just using noise canceling. The foam began coming out of the ear pieces about a year ago, but I replaced them for about $30.


moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

As others already pointed out, the solution is "Mute this topic", much easier and quicker than counting over 50 messages 😂

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

 

That's the big problem with this list.  Most discussions lately have been about anything but JAWS.  I counted over 50 messages in the thread about audio description.  And the list owner, if there is one, has never responded to inquiries about how this list is run.  Personally, I don't care whether members go off topic, and I usually enjoy reading these off topic messages, but I think the list owner, if there is even anyone in charge, has a responsibilty to clarify wheterh this is permissible and even consider changing the name of this list to reflect its more general nature. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 6/15/2021 8:29 AM, Jeff Christiansen wrote:

Most discussions are about JAWS but for those discussions that truly bother you just use the mute option

It only requires you to be flexible

 

 

 

 

 

Sent From My Mobile

 



On Jun 15, 2021, at 05:32, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I am confused.  I thought this was a list for the discussion of issues related to the JAWS screen reader, but lately, there have been long discussions about topics that have nothing to do with JAWS like headphones and audio described programming.  Is this list now a general forum for the discussion of any topic related to blindness? Could someone please clarify the purpose of this list?  And if this list is now indeed a general discussion forum, would it not make sense to change the name of the list to reflect this?  Thanks. 

 

Gerald

 

 


moderated Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Hank,It sounds like ideally, you want something that would allow you to only use one ear; and what I remember about the Bose is that it would be very difficult to remove the left, or position it so your work headset could be worn.

 

Loudness somewhat depends on your system and the Jaws setting, but if you could use a Bluetooth single ear piece, there are lots of choices from Plantronics.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank William Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

 

 

Good morning Phillip,

 

I am personally looking for a very loud pair of good earphones so I will be able to hear jaws loud enough in only my right hand side ear, (I have a bit of hearing loss in my right hand side ear), because I will not be able to use my other ear to also hear jaws, because I will need to use my left hand side ear solely to hear properly incoming cusstomer calls and talk to them through a separte one ear headset with a mike at an incoming calls call centre.

 

Can you maybe please tell me if these Bose QC 35 II headphones are quite loud? Any help you can maybe give me with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kindest regards,

 

Hank

 

 

__ 

 

From: Phillip Gross

Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:18 AM

Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

 

It helps to know what you are looking to spend. The options at $50 are a lot different than the $300 options.

I personally use the Bose QC 35 II headphones. I have had them for about 3 years now and use them daily. I would estimate I wear them an average of 8 hours a day including weekends. I use them for work and personal use. They have a Bluetooth option, and I do use it, but most of the time I plug them into my computer or iPad. The battery is supposed to last 20 hours if you’re using Bluetooth and 40 hours if they are plugged into a 3.5 jack and you’re just using noise canceling. The foam began coming out of the ear pieces about a year ago, but I replaced them for about $30.


moderated Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?

Hank William Merchant
 

 
 
Good morning Phillip,
 
I am personally looking for a very loud pair of good earphones so I will be able to hear jaws loud enough in only my right hand side ear, (I have a bit of hearing loss in my right hand side ear), because I will not be able to use my other ear to also hear jaws, because I will need to use my left hand side ear solely to hear properly incoming cusstomer calls and talk to them through a separte one ear headset with a mike at an incoming calls call centre.
 
Can you maybe please tell me if these Bose QC 35 II headphones are quite loud? Any help you can maybe give me with this would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any help!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kindest regards,
 
Hank
 
 
__ 
 

From: Phillip Gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 8:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: slightly off topic: over ear headphones recommendations?
 
It helps to know what you are looking to spend. The options at $50 are a lot different than the $300 options.

I personally use the Bose QC 35 II headphones. I have had them for about 3 years now and use them daily. I would estimate I wear them an average of 8 hours a day including weekends. I use them for work and personal use. They have a Bluetooth option, and I do use it, but most of the time I plug them into my computer or iPad. The battery is supposed to last 20 hours if you’re using Bluetooth and 40 hours if they are plugged into a 3.5 jack and you’re just using noise canceling. The foam began coming out of the ear pieces about a year ago, but I replaced them for about $30.


moderated MS Team

Tony
 

I have downloaded MS Team and tried to install it.  It hangs in mid install.

 

I have seen messages saying that an older version works better with Jaws.  Where can I find it and does anyone have a clue why I cannot install the latest version?

 

Windows 10 and Jaws 21.

 

Tony


moderated Re: Purpose of This List

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

And, fortunately, you can mute any thread you don’t want to see, which I’m doing with this subject as it is pointless.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 6:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Purpose of This List

 

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 09:14 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

but I think the list owner, if there is even anyone in charge, has a responsibilty to clarify wheterh this is permissible and even consider changing the name of this list to reflect its more general nature. 

-
There is a list owner, and it's been the same list owner ever since I joined several years ago.

They are not obligated to do anything, really.  And it is absolutely not practical to change the name of any list once established.  One could, however, change the list description, as it is entirely inaccurate and had been for a long time, as you are correct that this group has expanded to topics well beyond JAWS a long while back.

But a group owner or moderator can be as stringent or lax as they wish to be around what is stated as "the central topic focus" for groups they manage.  This one happens to be lax.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: best email?

Pramit
 

Hi Rosie,

I personally prefer Mozilla Thunderbird. Have been using it for many years and have had no issues with it.


On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 10:25 PM meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:
Rosie here...
like I say I am planning get new computer and I would like which  email u like best and easiter too
right now I am using window live it getting slower and problem
and I did use gmail that I did not like to scroll down to get email message
I wonder which u like the best
thanks so much for your time
 

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