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moderated Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

Richard Turner
 

John, and all,

This sounds like a problem I was having in Edge.
There is a setting under the Jaws Settings Center that you may want to look at and consider changing.
Jaws, for some reason only known to the mysterious programmer gods, the enter key may default to simulate a mouse click instead of sending an Enter Key.
Open Settings Center with insert+6 on the numbers row.
Arrow down to Web/HTML/PDF closed and press the right arrow to open.
Press the letter m, for miscellaneous and right arrow to open.
Arrow down to: Link Activation Enter simulates mouse click. Press spacebar so it changes to: Enter sends Enter key
Hit enter to save.
I did this on my default settings because I cannot think of any time I would want enter to act like a mouse click, but you could just do it for your browser of choice.

Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 3:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

What I do is to use shift enter and that opens a new window and when I close the window, I am back where I started, I got used to this in Chrome as well. I also set firefox to open new tabs as windows.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 17:55:11 -0400,
meow meow wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>] can u use alt arrow left
to go back the website page?

that I am using firefox with window 7 it not work well to me Rosie


From: John Covici
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 2:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore


Or, you can use firefox nightly, download from Mozilla.org, works very nicely and much faster, I have been using it for about 10 days now and its really nice.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore



Hi, Richard. Did you go into the advanced settings and make the changes suggested a couple of days ago? If not, do the following,



1. Open Firefox.

2. In the Address Bar, type the following,



about:config



3. When it gives you the option to accept the risk and continue, Press ENTER on that button.

4. After accepting the risk, an edit box will come up that allows you to enter something to find. Enter the following into that box,



skeleton



5. TAB to the entry that says,



browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI



6. Arrow down, and you will see a toggle button.

7. Toggle browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=True to

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=False

8. Once this is done, close Firefox.

9. Now Firefox should behave as it has in the past.



Bill White



billwhite92701@att.net



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore



Hi!



I am using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10. In the past, if I clicked on a link somewhere like within an email or a desktop shortcut, Firefox (my default browser) would launch and I would be automatically switch to that window. Now, when I click on a link, Firefox launches but I *am not* switched to that window. To get to the newly launched Firefox window, I have to tab around to it. Seemingly, this started with the latest update to Firefox. How can I return to the functionality where upon clicking on a link I get automatically switched to the Firefox window?



Thanks,

Richard







[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

John Covici
 

What I do is to use shift enter and that opens a new window and when
I close the window, I am back where I started, I got used to this in
Chrome as well. I also set firefox to open new tabs as windows.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 17:55:11 -0400,
meow meow wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
can u use alt arrow left to go back the website page?

that I am using firefox with window 7 it not work well to me
Rosie


From: John Covici
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 2:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore


Or, you can use firefox nightly, download from Mozilla.org, works very nicely and much faster, I have been using it for about 10 days now and its really nice.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore



Hi, Richard. Did you go into the advanced settings and make the changes suggested a couple of days ago? If not, do the following,



1. Open Firefox.

2. In the Address Bar, type the following,



about:config



3. When it gives you the option to accept the risk and continue, Press ENTER on that button.

4. After accepting the risk, an edit box will come up that allows you to enter something to find. Enter the following into that box,



skeleton



5. TAB to the entry that says,



browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI



6. Arrow down, and you will see a toggle button.

7. Toggle browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=True to

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=False

8. Once this is done, close Firefox.

9. Now Firefox should behave as it has in the past.



Bill White



billwhite92701@att.net



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore



Hi!



I am using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10. In the past, if I clicked on a link somewhere like within an email or a desktop shortcut, Firefox (my default browser) would launch and I would be automatically switch to that window. Now, when I click on a link, Firefox launches but I *am not* switched to that window. To get to the newly launched Firefox window, I have to tab around to it. Seemingly, this started with the latest update to Firefox. How can I return to the functionality where upon clicking on a link I get automatically switched to the Firefox window?



Thanks,

Richard







[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

meow meow
 

can u use alt arrow left to go back the website page?
 
that I am using firefox with window 7 it not work well to me
Rosie

Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

Or, you can use firefox nightly, download from Mozilla.org, works very nicely and much faster, I have been using it for about 10 days now and its really nice.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

 

Hi, Richard. Did you go into the advanced settings and make the changes suggested a couple of days ago? If not, do the following,

 

1. Open Firefox.

2. In the Address Bar, type the following,

 

about:config

 

3. When it gives you the option to accept the risk and continue, Press ENTER on that button.

4. After accepting the risk, an edit box will come up that allows you to enter something to find. Enter the following into that box,

 

skeleton

 

5. TAB to the entry that says,

 

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI

 

6. Arrow down, and you will see a toggle button.

7. Toggle browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=True to

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=False

8. Once this is done, close Firefox.

9. Now Firefox should behave as it has in the past.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10.  In the past, if I clicked on a link somewhere like within an email or a desktop shortcut, Firefox (my default browser) would launch and I would be automatically switch to that window.  Now, when I click on a link, Firefox launches but I *am not* switched to that window.  To get to the newly launched Firefox window, I have to tab around to it.  Seemingly, this started with the latest update to Firefox.  How can I return to the functionality where upon clicking on a link I get automatically switched to the Firefox window?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: My Display

David Diamond
 

I’m not sure if it is more approachable or not.  I’d think Gil Pries, would attract more viewers. A lot of people are turned off of religion, so when they see, Pastor, they might think more religious leanings instead of viewing your posts, the delete key could be their main go to key.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: June 10, 2021 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: My Display

 

Hi,

I decided to change my dispplay name to Pastor Gil Pries.

It's more approachable.

 

Pastor Gil Pries


moderated Re: Vivaldi update question

Madison Martin
 

I haven't used it enough yet to decide.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: June 10, 2021 2:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Vivaldi update question

Try just going into vivaldi and doing the update from there. I don't use Vivaldi
at the moment but there is a "check for updates" option within the help menu.

How do you like Vivaldi? On paper it sounds like an amazing browser and it is
sure very customisable. Since screen-readers read everything including the
vivaldi menus and buttons as though ti's all aprt of the same webpage, it's a
little bit of a turnoff out of the box. Though it's certainly usable.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: June 10, 2021 02:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vivaldi update question

Hi all,
I recently downloaded Vevaldi and I keep getting notifications about an update,
but when I try and go to do the update the notification disappears, can anyone
tell me how to get to the update so I can install it? Using latest Jaws and
Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

dennis
 

where does one find this one?

On 6/10/2021 3:57 PM, John Covici wrote:

Or, you can use firefox nightly, download from Mozilla.org, works very nicely and much faster, I have been using it for about 10 days now and its really nice.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

 

Hi, Richard. Did you go into the advanced settings and make the changes suggested a couple of days ago? If not, do the following,

 

1. Open Firefox.

2. In the Address Bar, type the following,

 

about:config

 

3. When it gives you the option to accept the risk and continue, Press ENTER on that button.

4. After accepting the risk, an edit box will come up that allows you to enter something to find. Enter the following into that box,

 

skeleton

 

5. TAB to the entry that says,

 

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI

 

6. Arrow down, and you will see a toggle button.

7. Toggle browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=True to

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=False

8. Once this is done, close Firefox.

9. Now Firefox should behave as it has in the past.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10.  In the past, if I clicked on a link somewhere like within an email or a desktop shortcut, Firefox (my default browser) would launch and I would be automatically switch to that window.  Now, when I click on a link, Firefox launches but I *am not* switched to that window.  To get to the newly launched Firefox window, I have to tab around to it.  Seemingly, this started with the latest update to Firefox.  How can I return to the functionality where upon clicking on a link I get automatically switched to the Firefox window?

 

Thanks,

Richard




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moderated Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

John Covici
 

Or, you can use firefox nightly, download from Mozilla.org, works very nicely and much faster, I have been using it for about 10 days now and its really nice.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 4:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

 

Hi, Richard. Did you go into the advanced settings and make the changes suggested a couple of days ago? If not, do the following,

 

1. Open Firefox.

2. In the Address Bar, type the following,

 

about:config

 

3. When it gives you the option to accept the risk and continue, Press ENTER on that button.

4. After accepting the risk, an edit box will come up that allows you to enter something to find. Enter the following into that box,

 

skeleton

 

5. TAB to the entry that says,

 

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI

 

6. Arrow down, and you will see a toggle button.

7. Toggle browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=True to

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=False

8. Once this is done, close Firefox.

9. Now Firefox should behave as it has in the past.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10.  In the past, if I clicked on a link somewhere like within an email or a desktop shortcut, Firefox (my default browser) would launch and I would be automatically switch to that window.  Now, when I click on a link, Firefox launches but I *am not* switched to that window.  To get to the newly launched Firefox window, I have to tab around to it.  Seemingly, this started with the latest update to Firefox.  How can I return to the functionality where upon clicking on a link I get automatically switched to the Firefox window?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

Bill White
 

Hi, Richard. Did you go into the advanced settings and make the changes suggested a couple of days ago? If not, do the following,

 

1. Open Firefox.

2. In the Address Bar, type the following,

 

about:config

 

3. When it gives you the option to accept the risk and continue, Press ENTER on that button.

4. After accepting the risk, an edit box will come up that allows you to enter something to find. Enter the following into that box,

 

skeleton

 

5. TAB to the entry that says,

 

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI

 

6. Arrow down, and you will see a toggle button.

7. Toggle browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=True to

browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI=False

8. Once this is done, close Firefox.

9. Now Firefox should behave as it has in the past.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:06 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10.  In the past, if I clicked on a link somewhere like within an email or a desktop shortcut, Firefox (my default browser) would launch and I would be automatically switch to that window.  Now, when I click on a link, Firefox launches but I *am not* switched to that window.  To get to the newly launched Firefox window, I have to tab around to it.  Seemingly, this started with the latest update to Firefox.  How can I return to the functionality where upon clicking on a link I get automatically switched to the Firefox window?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Firefox doesn't switch to it when a link is clicked anymore

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2020 and Windows 10.  In the past, if I clicked on a link somewhere like within an email or a desktop shortcut, Firefox (my default browser) would launch and I would be automatically switch to that window.  Now, when I click on a link, Firefox launches but I *am not* switched to that window.  To get to the newly launched Firefox window, I have to tab around to it.  Seemingly, this started with the latest update to Firefox.  How can I return to the functionality where upon clicking on a link I get automatically switched to the Firefox window?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Vivaldi update question

JM Casey
 

Try just going into vivaldi and doing the update from there. I don't use
Vivaldi at the moment but there is a "check for updates" option within the
help menu.

How do you like Vivaldi? On paper it sounds like an amazing browser and it
is sure very customisable. Since screen-readers read everything including
the vivaldi menus and buttons as though ti's all aprt of the same webpage,
it's a little bit of a turnoff out of the box. Though it's certainly usable.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: June 10, 2021 02:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Vivaldi update question

Hi all,
I recently downloaded Vevaldi and I keep getting notifications about an
update, but when I try and go to do the update the notification disappears,
can anyone tell me how to get to the update so I can install it? Using
latest Jaws and Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated My Display

Pastor Gil Pries <gilp@...>
 

Hi,

I decided to change my dispplay name to Pastor Gil Pries.

It's more approachable.

 

Pastor Gil Pries


moderated Vivaldi update question

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
I recently downloaded Vevaldi and I keep getting notifications about an update,
but when I try and go to do the update the notification disappears, can anyone
tell me how to get to the update so I can install it? Using latest Jaws and
Windows 10. Thanks Madison


moderated Re: jJeff Lukacsena: question on Jaws scripting

German A Fermin
 

Sorry, disregard last message.

 

From: German A Fermin
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: RE: jJeff Lukacsena: question on Jaws scripting

 

Let me know if that works for you. I had issues and ultimately never got the space back.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 12:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jJeff Lukacsena: question on Jaws scripting

 

Good morning, Jeff Lukacsena,

First of all, sorry for providing the same links as mentioned in the other mail. I wrote my mail without knowing about this answer. 

Since JAWS scripting isn't a wide spread scripting language there are not so much resources out there. Here are a few of them: 

A introduction in JAWS scripting from Freedom Scientific: 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/ScriptManual/01-0_Introduction.htm

Here's the same resource as above but as self-extracting file: 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/Basics_of_Scripting.exe

Most important in scripting is the FSDN. This is windows help file in CHM with all of the functions available in JAWS. There are some common standards and introductions to special themes included as well. 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/support/jawsdocumentation/FSDN

If you dive deeper into scripting there's also a list of properties and methods regarding UIA. UIA is the accessibility feature most used this days, especially in modern windows apps from Microsoft Store but not alone for this kind of apps. 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/support/jawsdocumentation/UIAScriptAPI

If you want to exchange and ask questions about scripting there's a mailing list at FreeLists. You can find solutions of typical problems in the archive and of corse ask questions to the list members: 

https://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts

If you want to script web sites, for example to execute buttons, bring something to focus or similar things, then you might interested in the domain-specific scripting, also a part of JAWS scripting language. You can find an introduction here: 

https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter2/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/DomainScripts/02_DomainScripts.htm

Some personal thoughts: 

Freedom Scientific made a lot of applications accessible with scripts. All of this files are include with source code. To my opinion it's a good thing to study them as well and see how Freedom solved problems. 

At first glance it could be deterrent effect, look all this code stuff especially if scripting in general is new to you. And the focus of the introductions and maybe other resources I forget to mentions is on using JAWS Cursor and the so-called OSM (= Off Screen Model). But this approach is disappearing more and more. The new apps from Microsoft Store as well as some often used programs like Microsoft Word, Outlook, Excel are using UIA and therefore not usable with OSM (= JAWS Cursor). This can be very frustrating because you want to practice OSM scripting and this things don't work with UIA. 

On the other hand you need some kind of introduction and there's not beginner tutorial based on UIA. 

I don't want to scare you off but I think it could be helpful to know about this things to avoid frustration. 

I think best way is to stay in exchange with the mailing list mentioned above and ask. Perhaps there are more tips and answers available there and the members are always willing to help. 

Good luck and happy scripting 
Udo 

 

Am 08.06.2021 um 17:56 schrieb Jeff Lukacsena <jlukacsena@...>:

 

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knew a place to find out how to learn how to do scripting for Jaws?

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 

 


moderated Re: jJeff Lukacsena: question on Jaws scripting

German A Fermin
 

Let me know if that works for you. I had issues and ultimately never got the space back.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 12:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jJeff Lukacsena: question on Jaws scripting

 

Good morning, Jeff Lukacsena,

First of all, sorry for providing the same links as mentioned in the other mail. I wrote my mail without knowing about this answer. 

Since JAWS scripting isn't a wide spread scripting language there are not so much resources out there. Here are a few of them: 

A introduction in JAWS scripting from Freedom Scientific: 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/ScriptManual/01-0_Introduction.htm

Here's the same resource as above but as self-extracting file: 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/Basics_of_Scripting.exe

Most important in scripting is the FSDN. This is windows help file in CHM with all of the functions available in JAWS. There are some common standards and introductions to special themes included as well. 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/support/jawsdocumentation/FSDN

If you dive deeper into scripting there's also a list of properties and methods regarding UIA. UIA is the accessibility feature most used this days, especially in modern windows apps from Microsoft Store but not alone for this kind of apps. 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/support/jawsdocumentation/UIAScriptAPI

If you want to exchange and ask questions about scripting there's a mailing list at FreeLists. You can find solutions of typical problems in the archive and of corse ask questions to the list members: 

https://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts

If you want to script web sites, for example to execute buttons, bring something to focus or similar things, then you might interested in the domain-specific scripting, also a part of JAWS scripting language. You can find an introduction here: 

https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter2/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/DomainScripts/02_DomainScripts.htm

Some personal thoughts: 

Freedom Scientific made a lot of applications accessible with scripts. All of this files are include with source code. To my opinion it's a good thing to study them as well and see how Freedom solved problems. 

At first glance it could be deterrent effect, look all this code stuff especially if scripting in general is new to you. And the focus of the introductions and maybe other resources I forget to mentions is on using JAWS Cursor and the so-called OSM (= Off Screen Model). But this approach is disappearing more and more. The new apps from Microsoft Store as well as some often used programs like Microsoft Word, Outlook, Excel are using UIA and therefore not usable with OSM (= JAWS Cursor). This can be very frustrating because you want to practice OSM scripting and this things don't work with UIA. 

On the other hand you need some kind of introduction and there's not beginner tutorial based on UIA. 

I don't want to scare you off but I think it could be helpful to know about this things to avoid frustration. 

I think best way is to stay in exchange with the mailing list mentioned above and ask. Perhaps there are more tips and answers available there and the members are always willing to help. 

Good luck and happy scripting 
Udo 



Am 08.06.2021 um 17:56 schrieb Jeff Lukacsena <jlukacsena@...>:

 

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knew a place to find out how to learn how to do scripting for Jaws?

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 

 


moderated Re: OT Blind-L

 

Sometimes off-topic things get posted and in case you hadn't noticed it, there is a "Mute this topic" link at the bottom of each message. If you don't want to press deklete and you are not interested in a topic just use it and it's done.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 2:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: OT Blind-L

OK this is the JAWS and I appoligize for my last message. GBut guys what does this have to do with JAWS? Nothing.

On 6/8/2021 3:40 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
I don't know. But perhaps, if the group is on groups.io, you could go online and just change your email address. Instead of constantly subscribing to groups. If you need help doing this, please let me know. And I will be glad to walk you through the steps.
On Jun 8, 2021, at 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:

Hi,
I'm working on resubscribing to all the lists I'm on, because my ISP is discontinuing eMail service to its customers.
Does anyone know if anyone is managing Blind-L?
I sent a subscribe to the list, but nothing has come back.
Thanks.





moderated Re: Silencing Zoom Notification

Cornelius
 

Glad to know that we can do this within Zoom.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 10:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silencing Zoom Notification

Ann,

I believe the Zoom notifications being discussed here are from Zoom, not
JAWS. As Jim posted, alt + Windows + s should turn off the Zoom
notifications provided you are using JAWS 2020 or later and your Zoom client
is updated.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silencing Zoom Notification

Alt+spacebar, then 's' toggles between speech on demand and full
speech. Speech on demand causes JAWS to speak only when spoken to, with
nothing volunteered. If you press a reading command--insert+up arrow--JAWS
will respond to it. However, commands like alt-tab, where speech is not
involved, are silent. I like this setting, but I often forget it is turned
on and wonder why JAWS isn't talking.


moderated Re: Silencing Zoom Notification

Cornelius
 

I cannot put JAWS to speech on demand as I am taking note with Word on another window. The Zoom is bugging me while I do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 9:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silencing Zoom Notification

Alt+spacebar, then 's' toggles between speech on demand and full
speech. Speech on demand causes JAWS to speak only when spoken to,
with nothing volunteered. If you press a reading command--insert+up
arrow--JAWS will respond to it. However, commands like alt-tab,
where speech is not involved, are silent. I like this setting, but I
often forget it is turned on and wonder why JAWS isn't talking.


moderated Re: Silencing Zoom Notification

Cornelius
 

 
Thank you. Will try this during my next Zoom session.
 
 

From: Dacia Cole
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silencing Zoom Notification
 
If you’re wanting to silence them on a Windows computer. I believe it is alt windows s hope this helps.


On Jun 7, 2021, at 4:05 AM, Cornelius <cornelius02@...> wrote:


Hi all,
possible to silence announcement of participant who join and leave a Zoom meeting? These announcement can get quite overwhelming in meeting with hundreds of people joining, because some may not have a very stable internet connection.
 
Thank you.
 


moderated Re: jJeff Lukacsena: question on Jaws scripting

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Good morning, Jeff Lukacsena,

First of all, sorry for providing the same links as mentioned in the other mail. I wrote my mail without knowing about this answer. 

Since JAWS scripting isn't a wide spread scripting language there are not so much resources out there. Here are a few of them: 

A introduction in JAWS scripting from Freedom Scientific: 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/ScriptManual/01-0_Introduction.htm

Here's the same resource as above but as self-extracting file: 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/Basics_of_Scripting.exe

Most important in scripting is the FSDN. This is windows help file in CHM with all of the functions available in JAWS. There are some common standards and introductions to special themes included as well. 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/support/jawsdocumentation/FSDN

If you dive deeper into scripting there's also a list of properties and methods regarding UIA. UIA is the accessibility feature most used this days, especially in modern windows apps from Microsoft Store but not alone for this kind of apps. 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/support/jawsdocumentation/UIAScriptAPI

If you want to exchange and ask questions about scripting there's a mailing list at FreeLists. You can find solutions of typical problems in the archive and of corse ask questions to the list members: 

https://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts

If you want to script web sites, for example to execute buttons, bring something to focus or similar things, then you might interested in the domain-specific scripting, also a part of JAWS scripting language. You can find an introduction here: 

https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter2/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/DomainScripts/02_DomainScripts.htm

Some personal thoughts: 

Freedom Scientific made a lot of applications accessible with scripts. All of this files are include with source code. To my opinion it's a good thing to study them as well and see how Freedom solved problems. 

At first glance it could be deterrent effect, look all this code stuff especially if scripting in general is new to you. And the focus of the introductions and maybe other resources I forget to mentions is on using JAWS Cursor and the so-called OSM (= Off Screen Model). But this approach is disappearing more and more. The new apps from Microsoft Store as well as some often used programs like Microsoft Word, Outlook, Excel are using UIA and therefore not usable with OSM (= JAWS Cursor). This can be very frustrating because you want to practice OSM scripting and this things don't work with UIA. 

On the other hand you need some kind of introduction and there's not beginner tutorial based on UIA. 

I don't want to scare you off but I think it could be helpful to know about this things to avoid frustration. 

I think best way is to stay in exchange with the mailing list mentioned above and ask. Perhaps there are more tips and answers available there and the members are always willing to help. 

Good luck and happy scripting 
Udo 

Am 08.06.2021 um 17:56 schrieb Jeff Lukacsena <jlukacsena@...>:

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knew a place to find out how to learn how to do scripting for Jaws?

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 



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Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

A 1000 hand wrings? Really? What a... you are. Just search windows 11 and you will see MS is releasing more than just another update. No evidence it is going to be called 11 though.

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On 6/7/2021 5:17 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 08:00 PM, David Moore wrote:
I have build 21390.1! Is that what you are talking about?
-
Kinda, sorta, but not exactly.  Since 21H2 is nowhere near to "finished" what you have isn't close to the final version that will ship as 21H2, but it's the currently available preview for insiders.

See:  https://wccftech.com/new-build-alert-for-windows-10-21h2-insiders-in-the-dev-channel/ 

I don't do the Insider thing anymore, so I don't generally keep up with the Dev builds/Insider builds at all.  But even the article that's spawned a thousand hand-wrings made direct reference to this:  https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-sun-valley-ui-october-2021-update 

Sun Valley has been known to be what will become 21H2 for quite a while now.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

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