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moderated Re: will jfw update to jfw 2021, if you are still using jfw2020 when you say yes to the update of jfw question?

Hank William Merchant
 

 
Hello fellow list members,
 
I am still using jaws 2020 and everytime I startup my laptop, jaws asks me if I want to download the latest update? Since I am not sure if I want to start using jaws 2021 yet, I always say no to this update question thinking it is going to maybe download the latest release of jaws 2021.
 
My question is this, since I am still using jaws 2020, if I did say yes to this latest update of jaws question, will I get a newer updated version of jaws 2020 or will I get the latest updated version release of jaws 2021? Any help with this question would be so very much appreciated! Much, much thanks in advance for any possible help with this jaws update question I have !
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Kindest regards,
 
Hank
 
 
Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2105.53 (May 2021)

 

The following is a list of improvements made between the April 2021 release and the May 2021 update.

 

Easier Navigation Through Email Threads in Outlook

 

It is quite common, particularly in a work or school environment, for email messages to include several people, resulting in lengthy message threads as
participants reply and add to the conversation. When opening an email that contains a thread of messages, including replies or forwards, it can be time
consuming to read through the thread with JAWS or Fusion using the ARROW keys to locate particular responses as you need to move through all of the header
information for each message.

 

To make this easier, you can now use the N or SHIFT+N Navigation Quick Keys to quickly move to and place focus at the beginning of the next or previous
message in an open email thread, skipping over all of the header information. As you navigate with these commands, JAWS and Fusion reads who the message
is from, the date it was sent, and the first line. If you determine this is not the message in the thread you were looking for, continue using N or SHIFT+N
until you reach the message you want. While reading a particular message in the thread, pressing ALT+1 or ALT+2 now announces the sender or date  of the
message at your current location. To review sender and date info for the entire email, press CTRL+HOME to move back to the top before pressing ALT+1 or
ALT+2.

 

For users of the Focus braille display, you can set a NAV rocker to move through messages in an open email thread. While focused in an email, press the
NAV Mode button above the NAV rocker you want to set to cycle through the available navigation modes until "Message" is selected. If you are using an older
Focus display that includes Wiz Wheels, press down on the wheel to select the mode. If focus moves away from the message, the navigation mode defaults
back to Line.

 

Note: Currently, this feature is only available while reading an email and not when editing a message. Additionally, while currently limited to messages
containing replies and forwards from Outlook, we will continue to improve this feature over time to support emails from other sources like Gmail and iOS.

 

Voice Assistant Improvements

 

In the initial 2021 release, we introduced Voice Assistant, a new way to interact with JAWS in Windows 10. Voice Assistant offers a convenient option for
quickly performing various JAWS commands using natural speech instead of memorizing specific keystrokes. Since its introduction, we have received numerous
requests from customers wanting to be able to access more JAWS features by voice in order to increase productivity.

 

Some JAWS features you can now access by using voice commands include:

 

list of 16 items
• Selecting Text, especially blocks of text, has never been easier. Just locate the spot where you wish to begin selecting and say "Hey Sharky, Start Selection."
Then navigate to the location where selection should end and say "Hey Sharky, Finish Selection." You did it! At that point, all text between the two locations
will be highlighted. You can confirm using the SHIFT+INSERT+DOWN ARROW Command to verify you got it all. This works on Web Pages, in Documents, and even
in Emails.
• Working with the JAWS speech history without remembering any keystrokes is now even easier. Try any of the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Show Speech History"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Speech History to Clipboard"
• "Hey Sharky, Clear Speech History"
list end nesting level 1
• Working with Technical Support just got easier. Have you ever been asked to get the version information for your software or operating system? Try this
out:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Version Info"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Version Info to Clipboard"
list end nesting level 1
• You can now ask JAWS to help virtualize a control or window, or even copy them directly to the Clipboard. For example, go to the JAWS About dialog box,
and try the following:
list of 4 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Control"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Control"
list end nesting level 1
• When navigating Word documents and Outlook messages, you can use Voice Assistant to work with various elements like headings, tables, and graphics. Try
the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, List Headings"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Table"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Graphic"
list end nesting level 1
• When editing a Word document or Outlook message, you can use Voice Assistant to move to Spelling or Grammatical errors. For Example, try:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Next Spelling Error"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Grammatical Error"
list end nesting level 1
• While reading a message in Outlook containing several replies or forwards, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Next Message" or "Previous Message." You will
skip the headings and get right to the various replies within that email.
• When focused on math content in Word that you wish to navigate, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Math Viewer." This opens the JAWS Math Viewer where you
can explore the current equation.
• To edit a math equation using the new Braille Math Editor, move to the equation and say "Hey Sharky, Math Editor."
• Toggle the Braille or Text Viewers on or off by saying "Hey Sharky, Braille Viewer" or "Text Viewer."
• Start or stop a JAWS Tandem session by saying "Hey Sharky, Tandem."
• Open the Select a Voice Profile dialog box by saying "Hey Sharky, Voice Profile."
• To access something in the System Tray, try saying "Hey Sharky, System Tray."
• Speak the most recent Windows notification by saying "Hey Sharky, Notification."
• If you have a laptop and want to know the charge level of its battery, just say "Hey Sharky, Battery."
• On a web page, open the Custom Label dialog box for labeling an element by saying "Hey Sharky, Custom Label."
list end

 

Braille Math Editor

 

JAWS and Fusion currently supports reading Math equations on web pages that are displayed using MathML, or math equations in Microsoft Word documents inserted
using the native Word math format. You can navigate the individual elements of an equation using the Math Viewer, accessed by pressing ENTER from a web
page or INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by EQUALS from a Word document when focused on the equation. If JAWS braille translation is set to Unified English Braille
or United States English Grade 1 or Grade 2 output, math expressions are also shown on a braille display using Nemeth Braille format.

 

The new Braille Math Editor in JAWS now enables braille users in Windows 10 to input their own equations, and in Office 365, edit existing equations in
Word documents. To open the Math Editor, press the layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by SHIFT+EQUALS (plus sign). Focus braille display users can
also press DOTS 3-4-6-7 CHORD.

 

When the Math Editor opens, focus is placed into an edit field where you can immediately begin typing the equation in Nemeth braille from your braille
display's keyboard. As you type, a preview pane below the edit field visually displays the equation so a sighted teacher or parent can review it. Once
you are finished inputting the math equation, press ENTER or choose the Accept button to close the Math Editor. If you are in Word, the equation you entered
is automatically inserted into the document at your current location. The equation is also copied to the Clipboard so you can paste it in other applications.

 

Opening the Math Editor while focused on a math equation in a Word document displays the existing equation in Nemeth Braille, allowing you to edit or replace
it. After making any changes and pressing ENTER to close the editor, the current equation in the document is replaced by the new or modified equation.

 

Note: After inserting or modifying an equation in Word from the Math Editor, the blinking cursor (dots 7 and 8) on the braille display always remains at
the beginning of the math content, even as you move by character with the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys. If you need to insert another line of math content,
first press the END key to move to the end of the current math content and then press ENTER.

 

While the Math Editor is opened, you have the following additional options:

 

list of 3 items
• Press CTRL+N to start a new equation.
• Press CTRL+P to preview the current equation in the Math Viewer. When finished, press ESC to return to the Math Editor.
• Press ALT+E to open the edit menu where you can copy your Nemeth Braille to the Clipboard using a specific format. MathML is the default format when
copying, however, depending on the application where you intend to paste the equation, you can also choose to copy your Nemeth Braille to LaTeX or Braille
ASCII. After choosing a format to copy to, paste the equation into the specific application before pressing ENTER or selecting Accept to close the Math
Editor as this always copies as MathML and will erase the current clipboard contents.
list end

 

To learn more about Nemeth Braille, check out this
Nemeth Tutorial
which teaches this braille code beginning with the very basics up through advanced mathematics.

 

Other Changes
list of 12 items
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not announcing the download status of files in Edge Chromium.
• Addressed an issue where the text of a link in a GMail message was not being read if it spanned multiple lines.
• When selecting a link or button on a web page that opens a modal dialog such as a calendar, resolved an issue where JAWS was reading the entire contents
of the dialog all at once as soon as it gained focus.
• JAWS now indicates when you move in and out of text in Google Docs that is marked as a suggestion.
• Expanded the description in Commands Search for setting a temporary PlaceMarker (CTRL+WINDOWS+K) to describe how this keystroke is used as part of selecting
text.
• Added the Copy Speech History to Clipboard keystroke (INSERT+SPACEBAR, CTRL+H) to Commands Search.
• Updated the description in Commands Search for the Read Address Bar keystroke (INSERT+A) so it can be found by searching for either "URL" or "address."
• If the Navigation Quick Key Manager is launched from an Outlook message, the Navigation Quick Key N for moving through messages in a thread, is now listed
so you can reassign it if necessary. The Navigation Quick Key Manager is located in the Run JAWS Manager dialog box (INSERT+F2).
• Resolved an issue where Navigation Quick Keys in Outlook messages would sometimes unexpectedly stop working until you moved focus away then back to the
message.
• When selecting text in Outlook messages for copying and pasting, addressed an issue where selection was not always working as expected, causing the wrong
text to be selected. This occurred most often in messages containing lists.
• Updated the INSERT+H help for Excel to list all of the latest JAWS hot keys.
• Added a new dictionary rule for "FYI" so JAWS no longer says the more verbose "for your information" when encountering this acronym.
list end

 

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moderated Re: Best version of iTunes to use with JFW

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Their is only one version for iTunes for Windows. The one in the MS Store is the same thing as the version you can get at: www.itunes.com

On 6/5/2021 3:54 PM, Cher wrote:

Is it better to download the Microsoft version of iTunes for best compatibility with JAWS? The Apple version is giving me more and more problems! Using Wimn10 20H2 and JFW latest. Thanks much 😊

 

Cher


moderated Re: Best version of iTunes to use with JFW

Richard Turner
 

Some people say so, but itunes with Windows is a PITA no matter which version you use.

 

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cher
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 12:55 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Best version of iTunes to use with JFW

 

Is it better to download the Microsoft version of iTunes for best compatibility with JAWS? The Apple version is giving me more and more problems! Using Wimn10 20H2 and JFW latest. Thanks much 😊

 

Cher


moderated Best version of iTunes to use with JFW

Cher
 

Is it better to download the Microsoft version of iTunes for best compatibility with JAWS? The Apple version is giving me more and more problems! Using Wimn10 20H2 and JFW latest. Thanks much 😊

 

Cher


moderated Re: Quick Settings are displayed in another language

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Afik, 

thank you very much for sharing the mail address. 

All the best
Udo 


Am 05.06.2021 um 09:24 schrieb Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>:

Hi,
Try to contact them directly at this email address



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io <udo.egnerwalter@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 10:20:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Quick Settings are displayed in another language
 
Hi all,

what's the best way to get in touch with Vispero, report errors and get informed about eliminating these errors or even if they can confirm this error.

I'm from Germany and here it's common to report this errors to our dealers and as fas as I know they enter the error description in a data base. In this case the error is reported some time ago and not fixed yet. Personally I think it's difficult to handle or to reproduce the error for Vispero, but it's frustrating not hearing anything about a solution.

I'm not one having this problem, but it's described from a lot of people here in Germany and is as follows:

If some persons using Quick Settings by pressing JAWS+6 they got all entries in English language although using German language. As far as I know the synthesizer is speaking the entries with German voice but the entries are in English.

Does anyone have any advice how to go on with this problem?

Udo








moderated Re: Quick Settings are displayed in another language

Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...>
 

Hi,
Try to contact them directly at this email address
Info@...



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io <udo.egnerwalter@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 10:20:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Quick Settings are displayed in another language
 
Hi all,

what's the best way to get in touch with Vispero, report errors and get informed about eliminating these errors or even if they can confirm this error.

I'm from Germany and here it's common to report this errors to our dealers and as fas as I know they enter the error description in a data base. In this case the error is reported some time ago and not fixed yet. Personally I think it's difficult to handle or to reproduce the error for Vispero, but it's frustrating not hearing anything about a solution.

I'm not one having this problem, but it's described from a lot of people here in Germany and is as follows:

If some persons using Quick Settings by pressing JAWS+6 they got all entries in English language although using German language. As far as I know the synthesizer is speaking the entries with German voice but the entries are in English.

Does anyone have any advice how to go on with this problem?

Udo







moderated Re: games

JM Casey
 

Hi.

 

Do you mean actual D&D that I talked about playing nowadays?

If you are referring to the MUDs (multi-user dungeons), I don’t really now anything about what’s around nowadays, but I’m sure some people still play them. Maybe do a search around for mud clients and “multi-user dungeons” and you may find some interesting stuff. You can either log in with a client or through telnet. This is way old-school internet.

As for dungeons and dragons – it’s not software at all. Throught eh pandemic my friends and I got together on discord and google meets and played it. It’s all brain, paper/notepad, dice (real or computerised), roleplay and some basic guide books. I am fortunate to have two really good dungeonmasters, and one day may even take a stab at it myself. It’s a pretty enw hobby for me but a lot of fun if you get the right group of people together.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: June 5, 2021 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: games

 

I’m interested in knowing where you played that dungeons and dragons game and how does the interface work with Josh have a good day everyone Shan 



On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:37 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Ah, yes, Quentin C’s gameroom – I believe I downloaded that on my old pC, but, as there was never anyone around to play with, I never used it. I guess if I had more friends in the so-called community; I might go on either of those sites more often, but whenever I logged into RS recently it was also a bit of a ghost town.

So I just play dungeons and dragons online now. Haha

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: June 4, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: games

 

There’s also Quinton sees playroom, which is a web-based set of games kind of like RS, and it also has a client like RS does. They are pretty awesome, although the interface is a bit intense.




On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:39 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Hello Mark.

 

What sort of games are you looking into?

Obviously as JAWS is a text screen-reader you will not have much luck with graphical games (though I understand you can use OCR for some things)…I have heard f a few modern games with some accessibility-related features, but I don’t know much about that and, actually I suspect they are not really JAWS-related/won’t work with your screen-reader and are actually audio feedback from the games themselves.

Of course you can always try text adventures, card games, word games, etc.

There is rs-games, a site where there are several card and-board-game type things you can play with others. I haven’t used it in a while, but if you can get a party together to play with, it can be fairly cool.

I personally am a fan of interactive fiction type games which can be found on websites and downlaoded from placesl ike the Interactive Fiction archive (you need interpreter programmes for most of these).

I haven’t played any in years, but there are also Multi-User Dungeons (MUDs), which are set up online and accessed through various clients (or even just a telnet terminal. They are multi-player and they work a lot like dungeons and dragons, if you are familiar with that, except all the dice-rolling and such happens behind the scenes.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 3, 2021 08:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: games

 

does any have experience of using JAWS with computer games, preferably multiplayer games


moderated Re: Quick Settings are displayed in another language

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hello Mike, 

thank you very much for your answer and the detailed description of changing this setting. 

I've asked the members of the German mailing list if this problem occurs only in Quick Setting or in Settings Center as well. Most of the members having this problem speaking of Quick Settings but a few describing Settings Manager also. The problem has nothing to do with language detection because the JAWS dialogs aren't dealing with speech tags and the voice of the synthesizer is always German although the settings are in English. The synthesizers used here are able to change language as well so it makes no sense seeing entries in English and speaking this entries in German. 

On of the lokal dealers here responded to my mail in the German mailing list and reported he had contacted FS about this problem months ago. They suspect the problem has to do with loading the wrong resource because of some time matters. He wanted to contact FS again to solve this problem. 

Many thanks for trying to help. It's a very good thing to know here are a lot of people helping each other. Thank a lot for all you helpers out there. 

Best wishes 
Udo 

Am 05.06.2021 um 14:54 schrieb Mike B <mb69mach1@...>:

Hi Udo,
 
First let's get quick settings  and the Settings Center keystrokes corrected.  When you press the, Insert + 6, keystroke you're going to the Settings Center, not Quick Settings.  When you you're in an application and press, Insert + V, this is the keystroke for Quick Settings.
 
Since I don't speak any language other than english this is only a guess on my part.  Do you and others have the, Detect Languages, enabled / selected?
 
Try the following if you don't:
 
1. Open the Settings Center in either of these 2 ways.
A. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
B. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + F2, to open the, Jaws Manager, arrow down to, Settings Center, & press enter.
With the Settings Center open press, control, shift , + D, to open the
Settings Center Default All Applications.
2. Down arrow to, Text Processing and if it's closed use the right arrow key to open.
 
3. Now down arrow to, General, and if closed right arrow to open.
 
4. Down arrow several time to, Detect Languages, and if this checkbox is unchecked press the spacebar to check it.  You can tab 1 time to get a description of this feature, but the description is below.
This check box allows you to enable or disable automatic language detection. If you select this check box, JAWS detects changes in languages within documents which support language tags and then reads using the appropriate synthesizer voice for that language.
For example, if JAWS finds Spanish text on a Web page, that text is spoken using a Spanish voice. This detection only affects those synthesizers,
such as Eloquence or Vocalizer Expressive, that support multiple languages.
If you clear this check box, JAWS does not change the voice of the synthesizer when reading text written in another language.
By default, this option is checked in all applications except Microsoft Outlook..
 
5. Now tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, and tab to, Okay, and press the spacebar or enter to save and close.
 
Now for, Quick Settings steps:
 
1. While in any application press, Insert + V, to open Quick Settings.
 
2. Navigate to or search for, Detect, and your only result will be, Detect language change.
 
3. If this is unchecked press the spacebar to check it and tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.
 
Also in a specific application you want to check the Settings Center, by pressing, Insert + 6, for the, Settings Center only, and not open the Settings Center default all applications.
 
2. Down arrow to, Text Processing and if it's closed use the right arrow key to open.
 
3. Now down arrow to, General, and if closed right arrow to open.
 
4. Down arrow several time to, Detect Languages, and if this checkbox is unchecked press the spacebar to check it.  You can tab 1 time to get a description of this feature, but the description is below.
This check box allows you to enable or disable automatic language detection. If you select this check box, JAWS detects changes in languages within documents which support language tags and then reads using the appropriate synthesizer voice for that language.
For example, if JAWS finds Spanish text on a Web page, that text is spoken using a Spanish voice. This detection only affects those synthesizers,
such as Eloquence or Vocalizer Expressive, that support multiple languages.
If you clear this check box, JAWS does not change the voice of the synthesizer when reading text written in another language.
By default, this option is checked in all applications except Microsoft Outlook..
 
5. Now tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, and tab to, Okay, and press the spacebar or enter to save and close.
 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2021 12:20 AM
Subject: Quick Settings are displayed in another language

Hi all,

what's the best way to get in touch with Vispero, report errors and get informed about eliminating these errors or even if they can confirm this error.

I'm from Germany and here it's common to report this errors to our dealers and as fas as I know they enter the error description in a data base. In this case the error is reported some time ago and not fixed yet. Personally I think it's difficult to handle or to reproduce the error for Vispero, but it's frustrating not hearing anything about a solution.

I'm not one having this problem, but it's described from a lot of people here in Germany and is as follows:

If some persons using Quick Settings by pressing JAWS+6 they got all entries in English language although using German language. As far as I know the synthesizer is speaking the entries with German voice but the entries are in English.

Does anyone have any advice how to go on with this problem?

Udo







moderated Re: games

Shan Noyes
 

I’m interested in knowing where you played that dungeons and dragons game and how does the interface work with Josh have a good day everyone Shan 


On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:37 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Ah, yes, Quentin C’s gameroom – I believe I downloaded that on my old pC, but, as there was never anyone around to play with, I never used it. I guess if I had more friends in the so-called community; I might go on either of those sites more often, but whenever I logged into RS recently it was also a bit of a ghost town.

So I just play dungeons and dragons online now. Haha

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: June 4, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: games

 

There’s also Quinton sees playroom, which is a web-based set of games kind of like RS, and it also has a client like RS does. They are pretty awesome, although the interface is a bit intense.



On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:39 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Hello Mark.

 

What sort of games are you looking into?

Obviously as JAWS is a text screen-reader you will not have much luck with graphical games (though I understand you can use OCR for some things)…I have heard f a few modern games with some accessibility-related features, but I don’t know much about that and, actually I suspect they are not really JAWS-related/won’t work with your screen-reader and are actually audio feedback from the games themselves.

Of course you can always try text adventures, card games, word games, etc.

There is rs-games, a site where there are several card and-board-game type things you can play with others. I haven’t used it in a while, but if you can get a party together to play with, it can be fairly cool.

I personally am a fan of interactive fiction type games which can be found on websites and downlaoded from placesl ike the Interactive Fiction archive (you need interpreter programmes for most of these).

I haven’t played any in years, but there are also Multi-User Dungeons (MUDs), which are set up online and accessed through various clients (or even just a telnet terminal. They are multi-player and they work a lot like dungeons and dragons, if you are familiar with that, except all the dice-rolling and such happens behind the scenes.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 3, 2021 08:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: games

 

does any have experience of using JAWS with computer games, preferably multiplayer games


moderated Re: Quick Settings are displayed in another language

Mike B.
 

Hi Udo,
 
First let's get quick settings  and the Settings Center keystrokes corrected.  When you press the, Insert + 6, keystroke you're going to the Settings Center, not Quick Settings.  When you you're in an application and press, Insert + V, this is the keystroke for Quick Settings.
 
Since I don't speak any language other than english this is only a guess on my part.  Do you and others have the, Detect Languages, enabled / selected?
 
Try the following if you don't:
 
1. Open the Settings Center in either of these 2 ways.
A. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard.
B. Press, Insert / Jaws Key + F2, to open the, Jaws Manager, arrow down to, Settings Center, & press enter.
With the Settings Center open press, control, shift , + D, to open the
Settings Center Default All Applications.
2. Down arrow to, Text Processing and if it's closed use the right arrow key to open.
 
3. Now down arrow to, General, and if closed right arrow to open.
 
4. Down arrow several time to, Detect Languages, and if this checkbox is unchecked press the spacebar to check it.  You can tab 1 time to get a description of this feature, but the description is below.
This check box allows you to enable or disable automatic language detection. If you select this check box, JAWS detects changes in languages within documents which support language tags and then reads using the appropriate synthesizer voice for that language.
For example, if JAWS finds Spanish text on a Web page, that text is spoken using a Spanish voice. This detection only affects those synthesizers,
such as Eloquence or Vocalizer Expressive, that support multiple languages.
If you clear this check box, JAWS does not change the voice of the synthesizer when reading text written in another language.
By default, this option is checked in all applications except Microsoft Outlook..
 
5. Now tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, and tab to, Okay, and press the spacebar or enter to save and close.
 
Now for, Quick Settings steps:
 
1. While in any application press, Insert + V, to open Quick Settings.
 
2. Navigate to or search for, Detect, and your only result will be, Detect language change.
 
3. If this is unchecked press the spacebar to check it and tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.
 
Also in a specific application you want to check the Settings Center, by pressing, Insert + 6, for the, Settings Center only, and not open the Settings Center default all applications.
 
2. Down arrow to, Text Processing and if it's closed use the right arrow key to open.
 
3. Now down arrow to, General, and if closed right arrow to open.
 
4. Down arrow several time to, Detect Languages, and if this checkbox is unchecked press the spacebar to check it.  You can tab 1 time to get a description of this feature, but the description is below.
This check box allows you to enable or disable automatic language detection. If you select this check box, JAWS detects changes in languages within documents which support language tags and then reads using the appropriate synthesizer voice for that language.
For example, if JAWS finds Spanish text on a Web page, that text is spoken using a Spanish voice. This detection only affects those synthesizers,
such as Eloquence or Vocalizer Expressive, that support multiple languages.
If you clear this check box, JAWS does not change the voice of the synthesizer when reading text written in another language.
By default, this option is checked in all applications except Microsoft Outlook..
 
5. Now tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, and tab to, Okay, and press the spacebar or enter to save and close.
 
 
 
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2021 12:20 AM
Subject: Quick Settings are displayed in another language

Hi all,

what's the best way to get in touch with Vispero, report errors and get informed about eliminating these errors or even if they can confirm this error.

I'm from Germany and here it's common to report this errors to our dealers and as fas as I know they enter the error description in a data base. In this case the error is reported some time ago and not fixed yet. Personally I think it's difficult to handle or to reproduce the error for Vispero, but it's frustrating not hearing anything about a solution.

I'm not one having this problem, but it's described from a lot of people here in Germany and is as follows:

If some persons using Quick Settings by pressing JAWS+6 they got all entries in English language although using German language. As far as I know the synthesizer is speaking the entries with German voice but the entries are in English.

Does anyone have any advice how to go on with this problem?

Udo






moderated Quick Settings are displayed in another language

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi all,

what's the best way to get in touch with Vispero, report errors and get informed about eliminating these errors or even if they can confirm this error.

I'm from Germany and here it's common to report this errors to our dealers and as fas as I know they enter the error description in a data base. In this case the error is reported some time ago and not fixed yet. Personally I think it's difficult to handle or to reproduce the error for Vispero, but it's frustrating not hearing anything about a solution.

I'm not one having this problem, but it's described from a lot of people here in Germany and is as follows:

If some persons using Quick Settings by pressing JAWS+6 they got all entries in English language although using German language. As far as I know the synthesizer is speaking the entries with German voice but the entries are in English.

Does anyone have any advice how to go on with this problem?

Udo


moderated Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

Shan Noyes
 

That is excellent news because I had called into the support line as well as written support and in both cases they could not duplicate the problem so said the problem had to be on my system it’s good to hear that other people are experiencing the same issues thanks a lot keep up the good work
Shan 


On Jun 3, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Eric Damery <edamery@...> wrote:



Hi Shan,

 

Others have reported this exact issue, and we have solved it I think. The test is being verified not in house and with the Beta Team. It will be in the next update coming in the next 4 to 5 weeks.

 

Regards,

Eric

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 3:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

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Hi folks:

 

Hey just throwing this out there to see if anyone else is experiencing the same issue as I am.

 

The new feature that was put in was the ability to quickly jump through an email chain message with the navigational key n and it reads the person it from and skips a lot of the header address info.

 

Nice feature.  However, we use Outlook in my company and since I upgraded to the May release I have a problem.

 

  1. If I issue the key command to merely reply to the message it switches over and I am in the edit mode and can start typing in my answer.

Problem!!!!!

If I instead do a reply to all then it switches over however, before I can start typing in my answer I have to turn quick keys off. 

 

This did not happen prior to the upgrade to the May release.  We are running Windows 10 19.09 rev patched up and the latest version of outlook

Microsoft® Outlook® for Microsoft 365 MSO (16.0.13127.21622)

 

I’ve called Vispero support and they claim they can not  re do my issues.

 

I’ve also written support@vispero and they have written back and asked me to ensure that VBA add in is being loaded.  As well as trying to run outlook in safe mode.  Well when I run in safe mode life is still the same.  The “reply to all” still requires me to turn quick nav keys off, but if I do just “reply to” then I do not have to turn quick keys off.

 

Anyways, as a developer this makes absolutely no sense to me.  The only thing that has changed is the Jaws upgrade, so the issue has to be in the Jaws code.  My outlook did not change between the evening before I did the upgrade and the features worked properly and the next morning when I did the upgrade.

 

So can you folks check out this new feature of reading through an email chain and then replying to it with reply to all and report back as to what you experience.

 

This is for users of Outlook mostly.

 

 

Thanks and have a good day everyone.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

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Hi,

I haven’t tried it yet. I will let you know what I find.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

The email thread keyboard commands don’t work for me. I’m assuming it’s because I’ve customised all my email groups into threads via View Settings rather than the standard thread button. Is it working for othrs?

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: 19 May 2021 19:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

Seems like a fairly significant update.

Hopefully the email thread thing gets more attention.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:48 AM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for the May J2021 build, 2105.53, update + what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 Bit Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2105.53 (May 2021)

 

The following is a list of improvements made between the April 2021 release and the May 2021 update.

 

Easier Navigation Through Email Threads in Outlook

 

It is quite common, particularly in a work or school environment, for email messages to include several people, resulting in lengthy message threads as
participants reply and add to the conversation. When opening an email that contains a thread of messages, including replies or forwards, it can be time
consuming to read through the thread with JAWS or Fusion using the ARROW keys to locate particular responses as you need to move through all of the header
information for each message.

 

To make this easier, you can now use the N or SHIFT+N Navigation Quick Keys to quickly move to and place focus at the beginning of the next or previous
message in an open email thread, skipping over all of the header information. As you navigate with these commands, JAWS and Fusion reads who the message
is from, the date it was sent, and the first line. If you determine this is not the message in the thread you were looking for, continue using N or SHIFT+N
until you reach the message you want. While reading a particular message in the thread, pressing ALT+1 or ALT+2 now announces the sender or date  of the
message at your current location. To review sender and date info for the entire email, press CTRL+HOME to move back to the top before pressing ALT+1 or
ALT+2.

 

For users of the Focus braille display, you can set a NAV rocker to move through messages in an open email thread. While focused in an email, press the
NAV Mode button above the NAV rocker you want to set to cycle through the available navigation modes until "Message" is selected. If you are using an older
Focus display that includes Wiz Wheels, press down on the wheel to select the mode. If focus moves away from the message, the navigation mode defaults
back to Line.

 

Note: Currently, this feature is only available while reading an email and not when editing a message. Additionally, while currently limited to messages
containing replies and forwards from Outlook, we will continue to improve this feature over time to support emails from other sources like Gmail and iOS.

 

Voice Assistant Improvements

 

In the initial 2021 release, we introduced Voice Assistant, a new way to interact with JAWS in Windows 10. Voice Assistant offers a convenient option for
quickly performing various JAWS commands using natural speech instead of memorizing specific keystrokes. Since its introduction, we have received numerous
requests from customers wanting to be able to access more JAWS features by voice in order to increase productivity.

 

Some JAWS features you can now access by using voice commands include:

 

list of 16 items
• Selecting Text, especially blocks of text, has never been easier. Just locate the spot where you wish to begin selecting and say "Hey Sharky, Start Selection."
Then navigate to the location where selection should end and say "Hey Sharky, Finish Selection." You did it! At that point, all text between the two locations
will be highlighted. You can confirm using the SHIFT+INSERT+DOWN ARROW Command to verify you got it all. This works on Web Pages, in Documents, and even
in Emails.
• Working with the JAWS speech history without remembering any keystrokes is now even easier. Try any of the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Show Speech History"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Speech History to Clipboard"
• "Hey Sharky, Clear Speech History"
list end nesting level 1
• Working with Technical Support just got easier. Have you ever been asked to get the version information for your software or operating system? Try this
out:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Version Info"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Version Info to Clipboard"
list end nesting level 1
• You can now ask JAWS to help virtualize a control or window, or even copy them directly to the Clipboard. For example, go to the JAWS About dialog box,
and try the following:
list of 4 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Control"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Control"
list end nesting level 1
• When navigating Word documents and Outlook messages, you can use Voice Assistant to work with various elements like headings, tables, and graphics. Try
the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, List Headings"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Table"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Graphic"
list end nesting level 1
• When editing a Word document or Outlook message, you can use Voice Assistant to move to Spelling or Grammatical errors. For Example, try:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Next Spelling Error"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Grammatical Error"
list end nesting level 1
• While reading a message in Outlook containing several replies or forwards, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Next Message" or "Previous Message." You will
skip the headings and get right to the various replies within that email.
• When focused on math content in Word that you wish to navigate, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Math Viewer." This opens the JAWS Math Viewer where you
can explore the current equation.
• To edit a math equation using the new Braille Math Editor, move to the equation and say "Hey Sharky, Math Editor."
• Toggle the Braille or Text Viewers on or off by saying "Hey Sharky, Braille Viewer" or "Text Viewer."
• Start or stop a JAWS Tandem session by saying "Hey Sharky, Tandem."
• Open the Select a Voice Profile dialog box by saying "Hey Sharky, Voice Profile."
• To access something in the System Tray, try saying "Hey Sharky, System Tray."
• Speak the most recent Windows notification by saying "Hey Sharky, Notification."
• If you have a laptop and want to know the charge level of its battery, just say "Hey Sharky, Battery."
• On a web page, open the Custom Label dialog box for labeling an element by saying "Hey Sharky, Custom Label."
list end

 

Braille Math Editor

 

JAWS and Fusion currently supports reading Math equations on web pages that are displayed using MathML, or math equations in Microsoft Word documents inserted
using the native Word math format. You can navigate the individual elements of an equation using the Math Viewer, accessed by pressing ENTER from a web
page or INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by EQUALS from a Word document when focused on the equation. If JAWS braille translation is set to Unified English Braille
or United States English Grade 1 or Grade 2 output, math expressions are also shown on a braille display using Nemeth Braille format.

 

The new Braille Math Editor in JAWS now enables braille users in Windows 10 to input their own equations, and in Office 365, edit existing equations in
Word documents. To open the Math Editor, press the layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by SHIFT+EQUALS (plus sign). Focus braille display users can
also press DOTS 3-4-6-7 CHORD.

 

When the Math Editor opens, focus is placed into an edit field where you can immediately begin typing the equation in Nemeth braille from your braille
display's keyboard. As you type, a preview pane below the edit field visually displays the equation so a sighted teacher or parent can review it. Once
you are finished inputting the math equation, press ENTER or choose the Accept button to close the Math Editor. If you are in Word, the equation you entered
is automatically inserted into the document at your current location. The equation is also copied to the Clipboard so you can paste it in other applications.

 

Opening the Math Editor while focused on a math equation in a Word document displays the existing equation in Nemeth Braille, allowing you to edit or replace
it. After making any changes and pressing ENTER to close the editor, the current equation in the document is replaced by the new or modified equation.

 

Note: After inserting or modifying an equation in Word from the Math Editor, the blinking cursor (dots 7 and 8) on the braille display always remains at
the beginning of the math content, even as you move by character with the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys. If you need to insert another line of math content,
first press the END key to move to the end of the current math content and then press ENTER.

 

While the Math Editor is opened, you have the following additional options:

 

list of 3 items
• Press CTRL+N to start a new equation.
• Press CTRL+P to preview the current equation in the Math Viewer. When finished, press ESC to return to the Math Editor.
• Press ALT+E to open the edit menu where you can copy your Nemeth Braille to the Clipboard using a specific format. MathML is the default format when
copying, however, depending on the application where you intend to paste the equation, you can also choose to copy your Nemeth Braille to LaTeX or Braille
ASCII. After choosing a format to copy to, paste the equation into the specific application before pressing ENTER or selecting Accept to close the Math
Editor as this always copies as MathML and will erase the current clipboard contents.
list end

 

To learn more about Nemeth Braille, check out this
Nemeth Tutorial
 which teaches this braille code beginning with the very basics up through advanced mathematics.

 

Other Changes
list of 12 items
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not announcing the download status of files in Edge Chromium.
• Addressed an issue where the text of a link in a GMail message was not being read if it spanned multiple lines.
• When selecting a link or button on a web page that opens a modal dialog such as a calendar, resolved an issue where JAWS was reading the entire contents
of the dialog all at once as soon as it gained focus.
• JAWS now indicates when you move in and out of text in Google Docs that is marked as a suggestion.
• Expanded the description in Commands Search for setting a temporary PlaceMarker (CTRL+WINDOWS+K) to describe how this keystroke is used as part of selecting
text.
• Added the Copy Speech History to Clipboard keystroke (INSERT+SPACEBAR, CTRL+H) to Commands Search.
• Updated the description in Commands Search for the Read Address Bar keystroke (INSERT+A) so it can be found by searching for either "URL" or "address."
• If the Navigation Quick Key Manager is launched from an Outlook message, the Navigation Quick Key N for moving through messages in a thread, is now listed
so you can reassign it if necessary. The Navigation Quick Key Manager is located in the Run JAWS Manager dialog box (INSERT+F2).
• Resolved an issue where Navigation Quick Keys in Outlook messages would sometimes unexpectedly stop working until you moved focus away then back to the
message.
• When selecting text in Outlook messages for copying and pasting, addressed an issue where selection was not always working as expected, causing the wrong
text to be selected. This occurred most often in messages containing lists.
• Updated the INSERT+H help for Excel to list all of the latest JAWS hot keys.
• Added a new dictionary rule for "FYI" so JAWS no longer says the more verbose "for your information" when encountering this acronym.
list end

 

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moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

John Covici
 

I am using the nightly build and it seems much better, some
strangeness, but nothing like before. I may try the firefox fission
to see what happens.

On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 19:50:48 -0400,
Mario wrote:

I experienced the problem whether I used JAWS, NVDA, or
Narrator. because of this, I suspected there was a glitch with
Firefox.

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@teksavvy.com]
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 5:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
That may be true, but I wouldn't automatically assume problems
are occurring because of an older JAWS version. Many of us are
not using the latest JFW and most things work just fine, and
there is often something you can do on the application end of
things to make stuff work better. In this case, I don't think the
problems with Firefox are related to jAWS in any way -- but I'll
know for sure within a few days, probably.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: June 4, 2021 01:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Well your best bet is use JAWS 2021. If you can't afford to
upgrade yes you should use another browser such as Edge
chromium. Sorry, but you run into these things when someone is
still running older versions of JAWS.

On 6/4/2021 12:11 PM, Mario wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it
was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and
browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any
website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please
don't tell me to use another browser.
















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moderated Re: Opening PDFs in Word

Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...>
 

What is the  keyboard  shortcut for bookmarking on PDF?

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Opening PDFs in Word

 

Word itself warns you that there can be issues converting from PDF to Word for PDF documents not generated by Word itself.

While I understand the convenience, if 100% accuracy with regard to original content must be preserved, then use a PDF reader only to read PDFs when that's the case.
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moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Mario
 

I experienced the problem whether I used JAWS, NVDA, or Narrator. because of this, I suspected there was a glitch with Firefox.

-------- Original Message --------
From: JM Casey [mailto:jmcasey@teksavvy.com]
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 5:04 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
That may be true, but I wouldn't automatically assume problems are occurring because of an older JAWS version. Many of us are not using the latest JFW and most things work just fine, and there is often something you can do on the application end of things to make stuff work better. In this case, I don't think the problems with Firefox are related to jAWS in any way -- but I'll know for sure within a few days, probably.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: June 4, 2021 01:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Well your best bet is use JAWS 2021. If you can't afford to upgrade yes you should use another browser such as Edge chromium. Sorry, but you run into these things when someone is still running older versions of JAWS.

On 6/4/2021 12:11 PM, Mario wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it
was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and
browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any
website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please
don't tell me to use another browser.
















.


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Mario
 

thanks to Daniel Wolak for the URL to the discussion.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 5:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Mario,
I'm copying your message from the other thread as that may solve his issue too. It certainly vastly sped up how well Firefox 89 works with Jaws 2020 on my system and I think helped a little with Jaws 2021 which worked better anyway, but this fix seems to do the trick:
Original message from Mario:
Richard and all, I am using the latest version of JAWS 2020, and cannot upgrade to 2021 yet. I've also tried NVDA and Narrator and still have no access. however, I red the discussion and possible fix/work around at the following thread:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzilla.mozilla.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D1714212&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce50fe1c4473a421aaf2608d9279cdd4a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637584376937722832%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=lHtLwuQDn99vfXaGQy3t%2BjW49NKnFOwwhZceERIqlQs%3D&amp;reserved=0

1. Start Firefox.
2. Enter the address about:config in the address bar.
3. Accept the warning.
4. In the search box, enter the word skeleton 5. In the table below, browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI should appear and it will have a value of true. Press the Toggle button to set it to false.
6. Restart Firefox.

this works, as I now can use JAWS, NVDA or Narrator with Firefox as if there wasn't any problem.

I don't know exactly what the feature does, but it was mentioned that it might have been left on true unintentionally before releasing FF 89.0.


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Soronel, I don't think the reset/refresh procedure is meant as a permanent fix. it is there for troubleshooting purposes.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 1:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I really don't understand what's going on. After restarting after the
mentioned refresh FF stopped working again, I had to redo the Help ->
Troubleshooting -> Restart -> Refresh cycle for FF to work again.

And unfortunately, in whatever mode this is FF won't actually tell me
what extensions/plugins are installed so it is very difficult to try
messing with them to figure out where the problem is.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Good to know.
So, maybe it isn't Firefox but something else on people's systems.

It sounds like others are having similar issues.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C62efcf1c8c954d4f332508d9279e13a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637584382150000658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=XddCysnFD%2FtOw33n9ofM4Om4o2SM58BZCYQPfTKj88M%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

I did the 'refresh' offered as part of Firefox's troubleshooting mode and
now it works again. And yes, this is 89.0.

On 6/4/21, Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am by no means an expert, but assuming this issue is the same
Mozilla is already aware of this and there are several comments that
explain the issue in more detail.

A possible fix is also mentioned.

See here:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzi
lla.mozilla.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D1714212&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6b
5474c1ff9d4c01986308d92777a219%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%
7C0%7C637584217029042654%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=gceGbaJ
IWR7aVl3TeJa44c%2BNYXP9XYJ8n2HgEF5iK2o%3D&amp;reserved=0


Hth a bit,


Daniel


On 2021-06-04 12:32 p.m., Soronel Haetir wrote:
I am experiencing exactly the issue you describe. I took the time to
examine the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and while the
menu and toolbar buttons show up as normal there is simply no node
for the page content.


On 6/4/21, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it
was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and
browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any
website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and
please don't tell me to use another browser.
















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soronel.haetir@gmail.com
























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moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

JM Casey
 

It does exactly what it says -- refreshes and resets. It might be a fix in certain situations, if elements of the browser get corrupted for isntance. It has happened on occasion that either just before or after an update things get really slow with this browser -- a refresh has occasionally resolved this issue. It may be related to the personal user experience and how one uses the browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: June 4, 2021 05:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Soronel, I don't think the reset/refresh procedure is meant as a permanent fix. it is there for troubleshooting purposes.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 1:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I really don't understand what's going on. After restarting after the
mentioned refresh FF stopped working again, I had to redo the Help ->
Troubleshooting -> Restart -> Refresh cycle for FF to work again.

And unfortunately, in whatever mode this is FF won't actually tell me
what extensions/plugins are installed so it is very difficult to try
messing with them to figure out where the problem is.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Good to know.
So, maybe it isn't Firefox but something else on people's systems.

It sounds like others are having similar issues.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

I did the 'refresh' offered as part of Firefox's troubleshooting mode and
now it works again. And yes, this is 89.0.

On 6/4/21, Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am by no means an expert, but assuming this issue is the same
Mozilla is already aware of this and there are several comments that
explain the issue in more detail.

A possible fix is also mentioned.

See here:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzi
lla.mozilla.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D1714212&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6b
5474c1ff9d4c01986308d92777a219%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%
7C0%7C637584217029042654%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=gceGbaJ
IWR7aVl3TeJa44c%2BNYXP9XYJ8n2HgEF5iK2o%3D&amp;reserved=0


Hth a bit,


Daniel


On 2021-06-04 12:32 p.m., Soronel Haetir wrote:
I am experiencing exactly the issue you describe. I took the time to
examine the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and while the
menu and toolbar buttons show up as normal there is simply no node
for the page content.


On 6/4/21, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it
was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and
browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any
website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and
please don't tell me to use another browser.
















--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Richard Turner
 

Mario,
I'm copying your message from the other thread as that may solve his issue too. It certainly vastly sped up how well Firefox 89 works with Jaws 2020 on my system and I think helped a little with Jaws 2021 which worked better anyway, but this fix seems to do the trick:
Original message from Mario:
Richard and all, I am using the latest version of JAWS 2020, and cannot upgrade to 2021 yet. I've also tried NVDA and Narrator and still have no access. however, I red the discussion and possible fix/work around at the following thread:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzilla.mozilla.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D1714212&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce50fe1c4473a421aaf2608d9279cdd4a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637584376937722832%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=lHtLwuQDn99vfXaGQy3t%2BjW49NKnFOwwhZceERIqlQs%3D&amp;reserved=0

1. Start Firefox.
2. Enter the address about:config in the address bar.
3. Accept the warning.
4. In the search box, enter the word skeleton 5. In the table below, browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI should appear and it will have a value of true. Press the Toggle button to set it to false.
6. Restart Firefox.

this works, as I now can use JAWS, NVDA or Narrator with Firefox as if there wasn't any problem.

I don't know exactly what the feature does, but it was mentioned that it might have been left on true unintentionally before releasing FF 89.0.


Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Soronel, I don't think the reset/refresh procedure is meant as a permanent fix. it is there for troubleshooting purposes.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 1:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I really don't understand what's going on. After restarting after the
mentioned refresh FF stopped working again, I had to redo the Help ->
Troubleshooting -> Restart -> Refresh cycle for FF to work again.

And unfortunately, in whatever mode this is FF won't actually tell me
what extensions/plugins are installed so it is very difficult to try
messing with them to figure out where the problem is.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Good to know.
So, maybe it isn't Firefox but something else on people's systems.

It sounds like others are having similar issues.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C62efcf1c8c954d4f332508d9279e13a0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637584382150000658%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=XddCysnFD%2FtOw33n9ofM4Om4o2SM58BZCYQPfTKj88M%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

I did the 'refresh' offered as part of Firefox's troubleshooting mode and
now it works again. And yes, this is 89.0.

On 6/4/21, Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am by no means an expert, but assuming this issue is the same
Mozilla is already aware of this and there are several comments that
explain the issue in more detail.

A possible fix is also mentioned.

See here:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzi
lla.mozilla.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D1714212&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6b
5474c1ff9d4c01986308d92777a219%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%
7C0%7C637584217029042654%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=gceGbaJ
IWR7aVl3TeJa44c%2BNYXP9XYJ8n2HgEF5iK2o%3D&amp;reserved=0


Hth a bit,


Daniel


On 2021-06-04 12:32 p.m., Soronel Haetir wrote:
I am experiencing exactly the issue you describe. I took the time to
examine the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and while the
menu and toolbar buttons show up as normal there is simply no node
for the page content.


On 6/4/21, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it
was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and
browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any
website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and
please don't tell me to use another browser.
















--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Mario
 

Soronel, I don't think the reset/refresh procedure is meant as a permanent fix. it is there for troubleshooting purposes.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 1:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
I really don't understand what's going on. After restarting after the
mentioned refresh FF stopped working again, I had to redo the Help ->
Troubleshooting -> Restart -> Refresh cycle for FF to work again.

And unfortunately, in whatever mode this is FF won't actually tell me
what extensions/plugins are installed so it is very difficult to try
messing with them to figure out where the problem is.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
Good to know.
So, maybe it isn't Firefox but something else on people's systems.

It sounds like others are having similar issues.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

I did the 'refresh' offered as part of Firefox's troubleshooting mode and
now it works again. And yes, this is 89.0.

On 6/4/21, Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am by no means an expert, but assuming this issue is the same
Mozilla is already aware of this and there are several comments that
explain the issue in more detail.

A possible fix is also mentioned.

See here:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzi
lla.mozilla.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D1714212&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6b
5474c1ff9d4c01986308d92777a219%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%
7C0%7C637584217029042654%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=gceGbaJ
IWR7aVl3TeJa44c%2BNYXP9XYJ8n2HgEF5iK2o%3D&amp;reserved=0


Hth a bit,


Daniel


On 2021-06-04 12:32 p.m., Soronel Haetir wrote:
I am experiencing exactly the issue you describe. I took the time to
examine the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and while the
menu and toolbar buttons show up as normal there is simply no node
for the page content.


On 6/4/21, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it
was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and
browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any
website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and
please don't tell me to use another browser.
















--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com

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