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moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

James English
 

So the problem I have is exclusively with IE being removed from users
pcs. I am, at present, the owner of 28 computers that can run the
present copy of windows 10. If one of them gets messed up because of
ransomwear or some form of virus Norton hasn't picked up I can chuck
it away, open reserve laptop and continue to be fine. For me, it's a
case of whether I want to abandon the websites I've been using in IE
for ages, kill Microsoft updates, or write my own webbrowser. Right
now I'm thinking that stopping Microsoft updates is the best plan.

On 5/21/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 08:22 PM, Mario wrote:


so this is for next year, no?
-
Correct.  All Windows 10 users of the common versions (Home and Pro) have
been given a one-year heads-up about what's coming so they can transition
with grace and not need to panic.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

*It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are
not.*

~ André Gide






moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Mario
 

I have a suspicion that some contributors of this discussion might think this issue applies to June 15 this year?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Subject: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022
Date: Thursday, May 20, 2021, 8:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 08:22 PM, Mario wrote:

so this is for next year, no?

-
Correct.  All Windows 10 users of the common versions (Home and Pro)
have been given a one-year heads-up about what's coming so they can
transition with grace and not need to panic.

--

Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

*It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you
are not.*

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Chris Hill
 

On 5/20/2021 19:22, Sherri wrote:

What is the name of the feature for the JAWS accessible clipboard feature and how do I turn it on?  Thanks.

 

Sherri

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 8:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

This is a feature i just turned on.  I had no luck getting jaws to read it (current version recently updated).  Then I reloaded jaws, problem solved.  I suspect that jaws loading on startup may be causing the problem, just unload and reload it.

 

 

On 5/20/2021 18:58, Cristóbal wrote:

Or… I could ask the list community if there’s perhaps an alternative clipboard utility that’s accessible with Jaws I could use in the meantime without having to jump through all those impractical hoops.

I’ve tried Ditto and ClipAngel so far. I already mentioned Ditto previously. ClipAngel seems like a nifty little tool, but while the menus are accessible, I can’t seem to find any of the copied text entries. So it’s basically a no go.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Well you could unload your licensed copy, and load the demo when need be and unload that and go back to the licensed copy.

Of course the time limit keeps going so you'd have to reboot after 40 minutes.

But it's better than nothing.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Not practical in the least.

While I do use NVDA for the odd task her and there, Jaws is my primary screen reader and how I run my business. Outlook, Excel, Word etc. Hence my asking about Jaws to begin with…

Running JFW in demo mode throughout the day would be terribly disruptive as well.

This is why I specifically asked about an alternative application while this hopefully gets fixed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Maybe download the Jaws 2020 and if you cannot license it, run it as a demo.

Or you could install NVDA.

 

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:40 PM

Subject: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Hello list,

So it seems like the May 2021 Jaws update broke the Windows clipboard. Broke in the sense that while the clipboard itself still works, Jaws isn’t speaking the various copied entries when arrowing around which is causing me all sorts of fits.

This actually happened a couple of months ago and at that time, I simply rolled back to the prior version of Jaws. Vispero did put out a new update which fixed the problem and that’s what I attempted to do this time, but even after rolling back to the April 2021 Jaws where the clipboard worked before installing the May 2021 update, now it seems that not even the April Jaws update is working right with the clipboard.

So anyway, I don’t have time for Vispero to investigate the issue and hopefully do something to fix this bug. In the meantime, I need to access this particular feature for my work. Is there an alternative Windows 10 clipboard utility that I can use? I tried downloading Ditto, but as it’s an extension to the Windows 10 clipboard itself, no luck there.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Sherri,

          It's not a JAWS feature, it's a Windows 10 feature.  And it was (and still should be) accessible under JAWS, but the latest update to JAWS 2021 appears to have broken its own ability to deal with the Windows 10 clipboard.

          What's being referred to is Clipboard History feature of the Windows 10 clipboard.  If you wish to experiment with it, and do not as yet have the currently-broken version of JAWS, go to Settings, System, Clipboard Pane and flip on the toggle for Clipboard History.  I know that this feature has been discussed to death in multiple screen reader forums, so won't go any further here.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 08:22 PM, Mario wrote:
so this is for next year, no?
-
Correct.  All Windows 10 users of the common versions (Home and Pro) have been given a one-year heads-up about what's coming so they can transition with grace and not need to panic.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Mario
 

having read, Internet Explorer 11 desktop app retirement FAQ,
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/internet-explorer-11-desktop-app-retirement-faq/ba-p/2366549

, mentions that, "As a result, the Internet Explorer 11 desktop application will go out of support and be retired on June 15, 2022 for certain versions of Windows 10.", as well as the article, The future of Internet Explorer on Windows 10 is in Microsoft Edge,
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/05/19/the-future-of-internet-explorer-on-windows-10-is-in-microsoft-edge/

, also mentions, "... the Internet Explorer 11 desktop application will be retired and go out of support on June 15, 2022, for certain versions of Windows 10.". so this is for next year, no?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Subject: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2021, 10:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:12 PM, Loy wrote:

The blog said support would end, it did not say it would be removed.

-
The phrase, and I quote, "go out of support and be retired."

For those of us in the IT biz, "retired" has a very clear and specific
meaning:  It be gone.

--

Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

*It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you
are not.*

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Sherri
 

What is the name of the feature for the JAWS accessible clipboard feature and how do I turn it on?  Thanks.

 

Sherri

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 8:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

This is a feature i just turned on.  I had no luck getting jaws to read it (current version recently updated).  Then I reloaded jaws, problem solved.  I suspect that jaws loading on startup may be causing the problem, just unload and reload it.

 

 

On 5/20/2021 18:58, Cristóbal wrote:

Or… I could ask the list community if there’s perhaps an alternative clipboard utility that’s accessible with Jaws I could use in the meantime without having to jump through all those impractical hoops.

I’ve tried Ditto and ClipAngel so far. I already mentioned Ditto previously. ClipAngel seems like a nifty little tool, but while the menus are accessible, I can’t seem to find any of the copied text entries. So it’s basically a no go.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Well you could unload your licensed copy, and load the demo when need be and unload that and go back to the licensed copy.

Of course the time limit keeps going so you'd have to reboot after 40 minutes.

But it's better than nothing.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Not practical in the least.

While I do use NVDA for the odd task her and there, Jaws is my primary screen reader and how I run my business. Outlook, Excel, Word etc. Hence my asking about Jaws to begin with…

Running JFW in demo mode throughout the day would be terribly disruptive as well.

This is why I specifically asked about an alternative application while this hopefully gets fixed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Maybe download the Jaws 2020 and if you cannot license it, run it as a demo.

Or you could install NVDA.

 

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:40 PM

Subject: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Hello list,

So it seems like the May 2021 Jaws update broke the Windows clipboard. Broke in the sense that while the clipboard itself still works, Jaws isn’t speaking the various copied entries when arrowing around which is causing me all sorts of fits.

This actually happened a couple of months ago and at that time, I simply rolled back to the prior version of Jaws. Vispero did put out a new update which fixed the problem and that’s what I attempted to do this time, but even after rolling back to the April 2021 Jaws where the clipboard worked before installing the May 2021 update, now it seems that not even the April Jaws update is working right with the clipboard.

So anyway, I don’t have time for Vispero to investigate the issue and hopefully do something to fix this bug. In the meantime, I need to access this particular feature for my work. Is there an alternative Windows 10 clipboard utility that I can use? I tried downloading Ditto, but as it’s an extension to the Windows 10 clipboard itself, no luck there.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Chris Hill
 

This is a feature i just turned on.  I had no luck getting jaws to read it (current version recently updated).  Then I reloaded jaws, problem solved.  I suspect that jaws loading on startup may be causing the problem, just unload and reload it.



On 5/20/2021 18:58, Cristóbal wrote:

Or… I could ask the list community if there’s perhaps an alternative clipboard utility that’s accessible with Jaws I could use in the meantime without having to jump through all those impractical hoops.

I’ve tried Ditto and ClipAngel so far. I already mentioned Ditto previously. ClipAngel seems like a nifty little tool, but while the menus are accessible, I can’t seem to find any of the copied text entries. So it’s basically a no go.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Well you could unload your licensed copy, and load the demo when need be and unload that and go back to the licensed copy.

Of course the time limit keeps going so you'd have to reboot after 40 minutes.

But it's better than nothing.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Not practical in the least.

While I do use NVDA for the odd task her and there, Jaws is my primary screen reader and how I run my business. Outlook, Excel, Word etc. Hence my asking about Jaws to begin with…

Running JFW in demo mode throughout the day would be terribly disruptive as well.

This is why I specifically asked about an alternative application while this hopefully gets fixed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Maybe download the Jaws 2020 and if you cannot license it, run it as a demo.

Or you could install NVDA.

 

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:40 PM

Subject: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Hello list,

So it seems like the May 2021 Jaws update broke the Windows clipboard. Broke in the sense that while the clipboard itself still works, Jaws isn’t speaking the various copied entries when arrowing around which is causing me all sorts of fits.

This actually happened a couple of months ago and at that time, I simply rolled back to the prior version of Jaws. Vispero did put out a new update which fixed the problem and that’s what I attempted to do this time, but even after rolling back to the April 2021 Jaws where the clipboard worked before installing the May 2021 update, now it seems that not even the April Jaws update is working right with the clipboard.

So anyway, I don’t have time for Vispero to investigate the issue and hopefully do something to fix this bug. In the meantime, I need to access this particular feature for my work. Is there an alternative Windows 10 clipboard utility that I can use? I tried downloading Ditto, but as it’s an extension to the Windows 10 clipboard itself, no luck there.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Cristóbal
 

Or… I could ask the list community if there’s perhaps an alternative clipboard utility that’s accessible with Jaws I could use in the meantime without having to jump through all those impractical hoops.

I’ve tried Ditto and ClipAngel so far. I already mentioned Ditto previously. ClipAngel seems like a nifty little tool, but while the menus are accessible, I can’t seem to find any of the copied text entries. So it’s basically a no go.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Well you could unload your licensed copy, and load the demo when need be and unload that and go back to the licensed copy.

Of course the time limit keeps going so you'd have to reboot after 40 minutes.

But it's better than nothing.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Not practical in the least.

While I do use NVDA for the odd task her and there, Jaws is my primary screen reader and how I run my business. Outlook, Excel, Word etc. Hence my asking about Jaws to begin with…

Running JFW in demo mode throughout the day would be terribly disruptive as well.

This is why I specifically asked about an alternative application while this hopefully gets fixed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Maybe download the Jaws 2020 and if you cannot license it, run it as a demo.

Or you could install NVDA.

 

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:40 PM

Subject: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Hello list,

So it seems like the May 2021 Jaws update broke the Windows clipboard. Broke in the sense that while the clipboard itself still works, Jaws isn’t speaking the various copied entries when arrowing around which is causing me all sorts of fits.

This actually happened a couple of months ago and at that time, I simply rolled back to the prior version of Jaws. Vispero did put out a new update which fixed the problem and that’s what I attempted to do this time, but even after rolling back to the April 2021 Jaws where the clipboard worked before installing the May 2021 update, now it seems that not even the April Jaws update is working right with the clipboard.

So anyway, I don’t have time for Vispero to investigate the issue and hopefully do something to fix this bug. In the meantime, I need to access this particular feature for my work. Is there an alternative Windows 10 clipboard utility that I can use? I tried downloading Ditto, but as it’s an extension to the Windows 10 clipboard itself, no luck there.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Glenn / Lenny
 

Well you could unload your licensed copy, and load the demo when need be and unload that and go back to the licensed copy.
Of course the time limit keeps going so you'd have to reboot after 40 minutes.
But it's better than nothing.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Not practical in the least.

While I do use NVDA for the odd task her and there, Jaws is my primary screen reader and how I run my business. Outlook, Excel, Word etc. Hence my asking about Jaws to begin with…

Running JFW in demo mode throughout the day would be terribly disruptive as well.

This is why I specifically asked about an alternative application while this hopefully gets fixed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Maybe download the Jaws 2020 and if you cannot license it, run it as a demo.

Or you could install NVDA.

 

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:40 PM

Subject: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Hello list,

So it seems like the May 2021 Jaws update broke the Windows clipboard. Broke in the sense that while the clipboard itself still works, Jaws isn’t speaking the various copied entries when arrowing around which is causing me all sorts of fits.

This actually happened a couple of months ago and at that time, I simply rolled back to the prior version of Jaws. Vispero did put out a new update which fixed the problem and that’s what I attempted to do this time, but even after rolling back to the April 2021 Jaws where the clipboard worked before installing the May 2021 update, now it seems that not even the April Jaws update is working right with the clipboard.

So anyway, I don’t have time for Vispero to investigate the issue and hopefully do something to fix this bug. In the meantime, I need to access this particular feature for my work. Is there an alternative Windows 10 clipboard utility that I can use? I tried downloading Ditto, but as it’s an extension to the Windows 10 clipboard itself, no luck there.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Cristóbal
 

Not practical in the least.

While I do use NVDA for the odd task her and there, Jaws is my primary screen reader and how I run my business. Outlook, Excel, Word etc. Hence my asking about Jaws to begin with…

Running JFW in demo mode throughout the day would be terribly disruptive as well.

This is why I specifically asked about an alternative application while this hopefully gets fixed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 4:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Maybe download the Jaws 2020 and if you cannot license it, run it as a demo.

Or you could install NVDA.

 

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:40 PM

Subject: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

 

Hello list,

So it seems like the May 2021 Jaws update broke the Windows clipboard. Broke in the sense that while the clipboard itself still works, Jaws isn’t speaking the various copied entries when arrowing around which is causing me all sorts of fits.

This actually happened a couple of months ago and at that time, I simply rolled back to the prior version of Jaws. Vispero did put out a new update which fixed the problem and that’s what I attempted to do this time, but even after rolling back to the April 2021 Jaws where the clipboard worked before installing the May 2021 update, now it seems that not even the April Jaws update is working right with the clipboard.

So anyway, I don’t have time for Vispero to investigate the issue and hopefully do something to fix this bug. In the meantime, I need to access this particular feature for my work. Is there an alternative Windows 10 clipboard utility that I can use? I tried downloading Ditto, but as it’s an extension to the Windows 10 clipboard itself, no luck there.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Glenn / Lenny
 

Maybe download the Jaws 2020 and if you cannot license it, run it as a demo.
Or you could install NVDA.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 6:40 PM
Subject: Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Hello list,

So it seems like the May 2021 Jaws update broke the Windows clipboard. Broke in the sense that while the clipboard itself still works, Jaws isn’t speaking the various copied entries when arrowing around which is causing me all sorts of fits.

This actually happened a couple of months ago and at that time, I simply rolled back to the prior version of Jaws. Vispero did put out a new update which fixed the problem and that’s what I attempted to do this time, but even after rolling back to the April 2021 Jaws where the clipboard worked before installing the May 2021 update, now it seems that not even the April Jaws update is working right with the clipboard.

So anyway, I don’t have time for Vispero to investigate the issue and hopefully do something to fix this bug. In the meantime, I need to access this particular feature for my work. Is there an alternative Windows 10 clipboard utility that I can use? I tried downloading Ditto, but as it’s an extension to the Windows 10 clipboard itself, no luck there.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Jaws accessible Windows 10 clipboard alternative?

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So it seems like the May 2021 Jaws update broke the Windows clipboard. Broke in the sense that while the clipboard itself still works, Jaws isn’t speaking the various copied entries when arrowing around which is causing me all sorts of fits.

This actually happened a couple of months ago and at that time, I simply rolled back to the prior version of Jaws. Vispero did put out a new update which fixed the problem and that’s what I attempted to do this time, but even after rolling back to the April 2021 Jaws where the clipboard worked before installing the May 2021 update, now it seems that not even the April Jaws update is working right with the clipboard.

So anyway, I don’t have time for Vispero to investigate the issue and hopefully do something to fix this bug. In the meantime, I need to access this particular feature for my work. Is there an alternative Windows 10 clipboard utility that I can use? I tried downloading Ditto, but as it’s an extension to the Windows 10 clipboard itself, no luck there.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

Boston, Jason W
 

It’s not working right all the time.

 

“N” and “N”-shift works for moving to each message in a thread, but alt+1 and alt+2 work for each message until you go back to the top and then you get the wrong info for alt+1 and alt+2.

 

I called tech support about this and different people there get different results, so chances are this issue will be sent to the developers.

 

 

Thanks,

Jason

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 3:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 


IMPORTANT!! - External Content - Please use caution.

Hi,

I haven’t tried it yet. I will let you know what I find.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Gurd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

The email thread keyboard commands don’t work for me. I’m assuming it’s because I’ve customised all my email groups into threads via View Settings rather than the standard thread button. Is it working for othrs?

 

John

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: 19 May 2021 19:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

Seems like a fairly significant update.

Hopefully the email thread thing gets more attention.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:48 AM
To: JList <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: May Update for, JAWS2021, Build 2105.53, Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

Below is the direct download link for the May J2021 build, 2105.53, update + what's new in this release.

 

32 & 64 Bit Download Link:

 

 

What's New:

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2021.2105.53 (May 2021)

 

The following is a list of improvements made between the April 2021 release and the May 2021 update.

 

Easier Navigation Through Email Threads in Outlook

 

It is quite common, particularly in a work or school environment, for email messages to include several people, resulting in lengthy message threads as
participants reply and add to the conversation. When opening an email that contains a thread of messages, including replies or forwards, it can be time
consuming to read through the thread with JAWS or Fusion using the ARROW keys to locate particular responses as you need to move through all of the header
information for each message.

 

To make this easier, you can now use the N or SHIFT+N Navigation Quick Keys to quickly move to and place focus at the beginning of the next or previous
message in an open email thread, skipping over all of the header information. As you navigate with these commands, JAWS and Fusion reads who the message
is from, the date it was sent, and the first line. If you determine this is not the message in the thread you were looking for, continue using N or SHIFT+N
until you reach the message you want. While reading a particular message in the thread, pressing ALT+1 or ALT+2 now announces the sender or date  of the
message at your current location. To review sender and date info for the entire email, press CTRL+HOME to move back to the top before pressing ALT+1 or
ALT+2.

 

For users of the Focus braille display, you can set a NAV rocker to move through messages in an open email thread. While focused in an email, press the
NAV Mode button above the NAV rocker you want to set to cycle through the available navigation modes until "Message" is selected. If you are using an older
Focus display that includes Wiz Wheels, press down on the wheel to select the mode. If focus moves away from the message, the navigation mode defaults
back to Line.

 

Note: Currently, this feature is only available while reading an email and not when editing a message. Additionally, while currently limited to messages
containing replies and forwards from Outlook, we will continue to improve this feature over time to support emails from other sources like Gmail and iOS.

 

Voice Assistant Improvements

 

In the initial 2021 release, we introduced Voice Assistant, a new way to interact with JAWS in Windows 10. Voice Assistant offers a convenient option for
quickly performing various JAWS commands using natural speech instead of memorizing specific keystrokes. Since its introduction, we have received numerous
requests from customers wanting to be able to access more JAWS features by voice in order to increase productivity.

 

Some JAWS features you can now access by using voice commands include:

 

list of 16 items
• Selecting Text, especially blocks of text, has never been easier. Just locate the spot where you wish to begin selecting and say "Hey Sharky, Start Selection."
Then navigate to the location where selection should end and say "Hey Sharky, Finish Selection." You did it! At that point, all text between the two locations
will be highlighted. You can confirm using the SHIFT+INSERT+DOWN ARROW Command to verify you got it all. This works on Web Pages, in Documents, and even
in Emails.
• Working with the JAWS speech history without remembering any keystrokes is now even easier. Try any of the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Show Speech History"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Speech History to Clipboard"
• "Hey Sharky, Clear Speech History"
list end nesting level 1
• Working with Technical Support just got easier. Have you ever been asked to get the version information for your software or operating system? Try this
out:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Version Info"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Version Info to Clipboard"
list end nesting level 1
• You can now ask JAWS to help virtualize a control or window, or even copy them directly to the Clipboard. For example, go to the JAWS About dialog box,
and try the following:
list of 4 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Window"
• "Hey Sharky, Virtualize Control"
• "Hey Sharky, Copy Control"
list end nesting level 1
• When navigating Word documents and Outlook messages, you can use Voice Assistant to work with various elements like headings, tables, and graphics. Try
the following:
list of 3 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, List Headings"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Table"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Graphic"
list end nesting level 1
• When editing a Word document or Outlook message, you can use Voice Assistant to move to Spelling or Grammatical errors. For Example, try:
list of 2 items nesting level 1
• "Hey Sharky, Next Spelling Error"
• "Hey Sharky, Next Grammatical Error"
list end nesting level 1
• While reading a message in Outlook containing several replies or forwards, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Next Message" or "Previous Message." You will
skip the headings and get right to the various replies within that email.
• When focused on math content in Word that you wish to navigate, you can now say "Hey Sharky, Math Viewer." This opens the JAWS Math Viewer where you
can explore the current equation.
• To edit a math equation using the new Braille Math Editor, move to the equation and say "Hey Sharky, Math Editor."
• Toggle the Braille or Text Viewers on or off by saying "Hey Sharky, Braille Viewer" or "Text Viewer."
• Start or stop a JAWS Tandem session by saying "Hey Sharky, Tandem."
• Open the Select a Voice Profile dialog box by saying "Hey Sharky, Voice Profile."
• To access something in the System Tray, try saying "Hey Sharky, System Tray."
• Speak the most recent Windows notification by saying "Hey Sharky, Notification."
• If you have a laptop and want to know the charge level of its battery, just say "Hey Sharky, Battery."
• On a web page, open the Custom Label dialog box for labeling an element by saying "Hey Sharky, Custom Label."
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Braille Math Editor

 

JAWS and Fusion currently supports reading Math equations on web pages that are displayed using MathML, or math equations in Microsoft Word documents inserted
using the native Word math format. You can navigate the individual elements of an equation using the Math Viewer, accessed by pressing ENTER from a web
page or INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by EQUALS from a Word document when focused on the equation. If JAWS braille translation is set to Unified English Braille
or United States English Grade 1 or Grade 2 output, math expressions are also shown on a braille display using Nemeth Braille format.

 

The new Braille Math Editor in JAWS now enables braille users in Windows 10 to input their own equations, and in Office 365, edit existing equations in
Word documents. To open the Math Editor, press the layered command INSERT+SPACEBAR followed by SHIFT+EQUALS (plus sign). Focus braille display users can
also press DOTS 3-4-6-7 CHORD.

 

When the Math Editor opens, focus is placed into an edit field where you can immediately begin typing the equation in Nemeth braille from your braille
display's keyboard. As you type, a preview pane below the edit field visually displays the equation so a sighted teacher or parent can review it. Once
you are finished inputting the math equation, press ENTER or choose the Accept button to close the Math Editor. If you are in Word, the equation you entered
is automatically inserted into the document at your current location. The equation is also copied to the Clipboard so you can paste it in other applications.

 

Opening the Math Editor while focused on a math equation in a Word document displays the existing equation in Nemeth Braille, allowing you to edit or replace
it. After making any changes and pressing ENTER to close the editor, the current equation in the document is replaced by the new or modified equation.

 

Note: After inserting or modifying an equation in Word from the Math Editor, the blinking cursor (dots 7 and 8) on the braille display always remains at
the beginning of the math content, even as you move by character with the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys. If you need to insert another line of math content,
first press the END key to move to the end of the current math content and then press ENTER.

 

While the Math Editor is opened, you have the following additional options:

 

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• Press CTRL+N to start a new equation.
• Press CTRL+P to preview the current equation in the Math Viewer. When finished, press ESC to return to the Math Editor.
• Press ALT+E to open the edit menu where you can copy your Nemeth Braille to the Clipboard using a specific format. MathML is the default format when
copying, however, depending on the application where you intend to paste the equation, you can also choose to copy your Nemeth Braille to LaTeX or Braille
ASCII. After choosing a format to copy to, paste the equation into the specific application before pressing ENTER or selecting Accept to close the Math
Editor as this always copies as MathML and will erase the current clipboard contents.
list end

 

To learn more about Nemeth Braille, check out this
Nemeth Tutorial
 which teaches this braille code beginning with the very basics up through advanced mathematics.

 

Other Changes
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• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not announcing the download status of files in Edge Chromium.
• Addressed an issue where the text of a link in a GMail message was not being read if it spanned multiple lines.
• When selecting a link or button on a web page that opens a modal dialog such as a calendar, resolved an issue where JAWS was reading the entire contents
of the dialog all at once as soon as it gained focus.
• JAWS now indicates when you move in and out of text in Google Docs that is marked as a suggestion.
• Expanded the description in Commands Search for setting a temporary PlaceMarker (CTRL+WINDOWS+K) to describe how this keystroke is used as part of selecting
text.
• Added the Copy Speech History to Clipboard keystroke (INSERT+SPACEBAR, CTRL+H) to Commands Search.
• Updated the description in Commands Search for the Read Address Bar keystroke (INSERT+A) so it can be found by searching for either "URL" or "address."
• If the Navigation Quick Key Manager is launched from an Outlook message, the Navigation Quick Key N for moving through messages in a thread, is now listed
so you can reassign it if necessary. The Navigation Quick Key Manager is located in the Run JAWS Manager dialog box (INSERT+F2).
• Resolved an issue where Navigation Quick Keys in Outlook messages would sometimes unexpectedly stop working until you moved focus away then back to the
message.
• When selecting text in Outlook messages for copying and pasting, addressed an issue where selection was not always working as expected, causing the wrong
text to be selected. This occurred most often in messages containing lists.
• Updated the INSERT+H help for Excel to list all of the latest JAWS hot keys.
• Added a new dictionary rule for "FYI" so JAWS no longer says the more verbose "for your information" when encountering this acronym.
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moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 05:30 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
You may be lucky for weeks or months or, as one person posted, a decade or more, but that's the word: lucky.
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Absolutely.  All it takes is one screw-up, and we all make 'em, to make all the vigilance in the world come to naught.  And that's on well guarded systems.  Most compromises are, as previously stated, the direct result of user action (which, given the compromises, are huge user errors).

I appreciate each and every word of your message.  It is incredibly cogently expressed and well thought out.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 05:24 PM, Bill White wrote:
Colonial Pipeline
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If, and I emphasize if, they were still using Windows 7 that's huge mistake number one, at least if they're not one of the companies forking out the big bucks to Microsoft to do ongoing support by custom contract.  There are a few that did this, and it's costing them a king's ransom, as it should.

But, even if that's the case, they also have no excuse for not having a robust backup plan in place.  Ransomware is useless if you have your systems backed up on a cycle that's as frequent as needed based on your exact business circumstances (mostly related to the generation of new information, e.g., orders).  Recovery from backups should be an hours to maybe day long process, at most, and if you do what Colonial said it did, and that was electively shutting down large segments of its network to prevent spread, you should know precisely where those backups need to be recovered to versus "safe zones."

If you're paying ransom, something's very, very wrong.  No business of any size should ever be in a position where a ransomware attack should result in the payment of ransom.  No government should, either.  Both private and public sector entities have been caught with their pants down, and you'd think by now that the cautionary lessons from same would have been learned.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Adrian Spratt
 

Michael and list,

For someone like me, the question isn't whether Windows 10 or Edge promises something better. Windows 7 served my needs fine. IE didn't meet every need, but when it didn't, Firefox usually covered. I saw upgrading to Windows 10 as a necessary annoyance, as I did learning Edge.

Contrary to what some have written here, beyond the functions we use, security is paramount. The recent Colony pipeline hack is a misleading example. An analogy from the world of cars might put it in perspective. Many modern cars have technology that warns drivers when they might be in danger of coming too close to bumping another car or other object. Does that prevent all accidents? No, but it surely reduces the number. Airbags don't prevent all injuries, but statistics demonstrate that they reduce them substantially.

Twenty or so years ago, I relied on a browser operated by local educators intended for use by teachers. One day the operators just gave up and walked away. In no time, I had every virus under the sun on my system, which I had to replace. It takes only one security breach to make you realize how bad things can get. I was fortunate: none of my financial or other critical information was stolen. I acted in time. but replacing the PC and restoring all my programs and data in a secure fashion took time and money.

I respect those who resent losing IE because there's no question it does some things no other browser does, especially when it comes to programs that are no longer supported. I use it for only one purpose, as I explained in a recent response to Barbara's post. If I lose that ability to read email online, it will be a great inconvenience. But I'm not sure what the point is of arguing over this. When Microsoft ceases to provide security support for a browser or other feature, it puts those who continue to use it at serious risk. You may be lucky for weeks or months or, as one person posted, a decade or more, but that's the word: lucky.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

I have enjoyed reading all of these posts. I work in the Assistive Technology business, and have been a user for over 25 years. There are some who won't like what I have to say, but I think it's important.
those of us who rely on a screen reader to interact with a computer have seen accessibility explode for us in the last quarter century. We can do things that we could only dream about a few years ago. To say that Microsoft does not care about the needs of their disabled users, as one person did, is totally out of line. Just because they don't address your favorite hot button issue doesn't mean that they don't care. I am not disagreeing that Microsoft and other tech giants make mistakes, in fact, they make lots of them. Overall though, I think the commitment to accessibility has been really good and the good does indeed outweigh the bad. IE going away has been in the works for a very long time. I'm surprised it's taken this long. Had Edge worked better for Microsoft before now, IE would have been gone before now.
It's my opinion, that we should embrace change, and enjoy the benefits instead of complaining about not being able to use the same old same old stuff that doesn't get updated with any new features like Internet Explorer. It's time to move on. Something better is coming, and if you decide to stay with Windows 7, you might miss out on something much better and much easier. Give that some thought. Everyone has the ability to do what they choose, and there is nothing wrong with it.
I'm glad we have choices in the market place. there was a time that we didn't have that luxury.

On 5/20/21, Adrian Spratt <adrian@adrianspratt.com> wrote:
Barbara,

I’m glad you brought up this example. I use the same method for
handling lengthy email messages with dozens of links. You would think
that this key sequence, alt-h, a, v, would take you to a combo box listing major browsers.
However, the only option is IE.

I’m using Outlook 2016. I don’t know if the same limitation applies to
Outlook 2019 or the ever-updated Outlook 365.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barbara
Sheinbein
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective
June 15th 2022

Hi Everyone,

This IE change poses a question for me. I use other browsers than IE
with one exception. I am using Windows 10 and Office 365. I use
Outlook and from time to time I get email messages usually from a
company/organization that I have a problem with. I want to enter on a
specific link and when I do this, I am transferred to a web page not
the topic I wanted. After trying a second time to be sure I have
entered where I do want and getting the same results, I go to the next
method. With the email open I pressed alt-h, then a and finally v
which opens up in IE and the email is presented in HTML. I again find
my link and enter on it and I am taken to the correct page. I am
assuming this is some accessibility software issue beyond my
knowledge. Smile. This long winded explanation leads me to the
current thread. I assume I will still be able to do this as needed, but if there is a straightforward alternative, please let me know.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Barbara



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective
June 15th 2022

Hi,
At least two people pointed out on Win10 Forum that they need Internet
Explorer, and I advised them to look into IE mode in Microsoft Edge
designed for scenarios like accessing web applications that rely on IE
and its rendering engine for full functionality.
Cheers,
Joseph


From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of
kylee@timeless.net.nz<mailto:kylee@timeless.net.nz>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 7:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective
June 15th 2022

Um … that means that it will no longer be updated, causing increasing
holes in security.
Kylee

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2021 2:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective
June 15th 2022

The blog said support would end, it did not say it would be removed.

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 8:41 PM
Subject: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June
15th
2022

Hello All,

Even though this message is not related to JAWS, the impact
of this change is so important, and it is so likely to affect quite a
few members who still use IE routinely, the information needs to be
shared. My intention is information sharing only, as there's really nothing to discuss.
This is a done deal.

See the article on techcommunity.microsoft.com entitled, Internet
Explorer
11 desktop app retirement
FAQ<https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/internet-explorer-11-desktop-app-retirement-faq/ba-p/2366549>.

Those in business settings where they are forced to still use IE for
specific sites also should pass this information along to "the powers
that be" so that they can be aware of the change that's coming.

You need to start making plans to transition away from IE now, if you
have not done so already.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what
you are not.

~ André Gide







moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Bill White
 

Windows 10 didn't protect Colonial Pipeline at all, because, apparently, they were still using Windows 7.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 2:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

 

How well did Windows 10 protect Colonial Pipeline against a ransomware attack?

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/20/2021 4:17 PM, G. Gray wrote:

Thought I'd weigh in on this one.  I used Windows XP from 2004 until 2018 when my XP machine failed.  Meanwhile Win. 7, 8, 8.1 and 10 passed me by.  Constantly I'd read that XP was dangerous to use on the web and even with e-mail!! 

 

Yet through it all I had absolutely no problems and I used the web every day for lengthy periods of time.  With the MS security updates...you rarely or NEVER know what these are for.   I got no virus's or hacks, etc.

 

These 7 words I live by..."If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

 

Listening for the Shout!,

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

 

 

George

On 5/19/2021 10:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:08 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

7 is safe and still valid.

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This sentiment is not shared, particularly the first part, by anyone who's an IT professional.

I really don't care what you, or any given individual, choose to do in your own world.  That really is entirely your choice, as you have to live with it and its consequences.

It is never, ever "safe" to use an out-of-support version of Windows.   It's just the opposite of "safe."  You may never have any issue, and very often that's just the proverbial "dumb luck."
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 


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moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Were you personally having Ransomeware attacks?
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Also, and there's no debate about this, Windows Security does a much better job of protecting Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 computers than Microsoft Security Essentials ever did.

Windows 10 is significantly more secure, from a design perspective.  And anyone can find many, many, many articles about security improvements in Windows 10 written by specialists in the field.

But, as you've said, and I've said, improved or better does not mean invincible.  And most attacks are the direct result of user action.  It's the very rare vector that makes it way on to a system "uninvited" these days, if modern security suites are in use.  Note that very rare is just that, very rare.  It doesn't mean that no such vectors exist.

I've posted it before, but it bears repeating.  Quietman7, a security expert who is an active contributor on Bleeping Computer, has written extensively on what you (any you) need to do to develop safe interaction habits with cyberspace.  The following four are, in my opinion, must-reads:

·         Users Themselves Are The Most Substantial Weakness In The Security Chain  (just that single message)

·         What you must understand regarding computer security  (also just this single message)

·         Best Practices for Safe Computing

·         Reflections on Antivirus/Antimalware Testing & Comparisons

I don't even come close to following each and every practice in that Best Practices for Safe Computing list.  But I'd say if you follow even half of them you're going to be worlds ahead of your average computer user.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

Dan Longmore
 

Brian,

  Nicely worded and thanks for keeping us centered.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: IE being removed from Win 10 20H2 and later, effective June 15th 2022

 

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 04:59 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:

How well did Windows 10 protect Colonial Pipeline against a ransomware attack?

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You really need to stop trotting this out as though it means anything.  Ransomware attacks can (and do) occur on virtually any un-hardened networked system.  And all it takes is a single node to unleash it on.

Hacks happen.  They're a fact of cyber life.  There are OSes, proper, that are more resistant than others, and even in the more resistant ones, all it takes is a wee bit of carelessness, somewhere on a single computer/node in a network, for ransomware to enter.

Also, unless you have information that's not been made public, there is no definitive analysis regarding exactly what did occur in the case of Colonial.  Lot's of speculation but nothing "official" and even what's put out officially will likely be incomplete.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

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