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moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 02:05 AM 5/18/2021, David Diamond wrote:
Tyler, I entirely agree. Let’s just do away with all groups and
list and just look everything up on the Internet where anyone and
their dog can post their dogma. Your blind? What’s a matter with
you, why cannot you understand to just click the yellow X at the top
of the screen, or click on this. I made this video for all to
understand how … works. Said with tong firmly planted in my cheek.

As yall know from my previous posts, I'm all about blind-inclusive language when providing explanations and instructions. However, let's not short-change ourselves into believing that any sighted instructions referring to points and icon clicks are irrelevant to us. If I hear, "Click the X on the top left of the screen," the only confounding part is the X, which is probably an unlabeled graphic. Otherwise, I sure know how to get to the screen's top left quadrant and activate any element I find there. Folks, "click" in sightling means "activate" in blindling. It means press space, enter, a simulated mouse key click or the physical mouse to activate an element. No one should feel irreparably lost or left out when they hear instructions involving clicks. As for drag&drop, the JAWS hotkey for that is control+insert+numpad-slash. But it can be reassigned to anything you want, as can all 1250 or so JAWS hotkeys.
And, before I sign off, here's your friendly reminder that, no matter what everyone around you says, keys are not stroked; they're pressed or depressed. No amount of keystrokes will make anything happen on any device until you actually press keys. Stroking them might make you feel good, but it won't get 'er done.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 08:14 PM 5/17/2021, Larry Wayland wrote:
Why do we even have these forms if every time someone ask a question
they are told to go search on the Internet?
Maybe some people like the contact with other people. Nothing wrong
with that. There is one person on here, and he is either on or has
been on other forms who can't answer a question without belittling
everyone. Too bad too because he is very knowledgeable. Why not just
answer the question and go on and don't worry about all the other stuff.

I know the person in question and have privately advised him that the delete key would introduce unparalleled efficiency into his work flow, plus decrease his annoyance level. That said, there's no sanitized way to say this: Most of us veteran computer users can tell when someone is asking an elementary question because they're truly struggling and feel hopelessly lost, versus someone who's just using these lists as online search alternatives because they're just plain lazy.
Folks, any question covered in JAWS' documentation need not be asked on these lists at least once a week. If yall can read with speech and Braille enough to interact here, you can read JAWS' documentation. If not, there are mp3 tutorials. There's no dearth of basic-to-advanced help for using JAWS, put out by Vispero itself.
All this said, the Socratic method of question&answer dialogue is apparent when folks post questions, get answers, then ask for clarification because they don't understand a concept taken for granted by the person providing instructions. That kind of interaction isn't possible with online searches, unless one poses questions on forums.
But when someone asks, say, how to stop JAWS from announcing new mail arrivals in Outlook, gets precise instructions about Outlook settings and Windows notification settings, then disappears, we can safely assume they were never interested in "human interaction" or Socratic dialogue. They were just using us as human resources, with complete disregard for our names, ages, backgrounds or--most important-our time.
While on this subject of silencing screen reader information, this is unfortunately a very frequent topic posted on these lists; people are always looking for wars to shut JAWS up. Folks, the purpose of a screen reader is to provide us information as it changes in our open windows. A screen reader is not a mere reading machine; using it in this way is not worth JAWS' ridiculously high price. Part of why yall ask such simple questions over and over is that you turn off JAWS speaking information that would help you navigate independently. I'll never understand, for instance, why any blind user would want to turn off control information and not know whether they're in a list box, on a track bar, at a radio button, etc. If the verbiage annoys, we have speech and sound schemes where you can assign sounds to every supported control type and state. So, if you don't want to hear JAWS say "Check box, checked," you can assign a check box sound, then another pair of sounds to represent checked and unchecked states. That's infinitely superior to not knowing what kind of friggin control you're on, or whether you're on a control at all.
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 07:53 PM 5/17/2021, Tyler Wood wrote:
The Internet is a vast and enormous place. It's high time in 2021 we
started using the resources available to us to search for information.
This isn't preaching, this should be common practice. Ignorance in
doing ones own google search at this juncture is simply astounding to
me. If a google search does not yield the results, then perhaps a post
is warranted. I rarely see 'I did a google search or searched the
archives' for common questions.

There's a fundamental difference between the necessity to perform independent web searches and the often condescending attitude with which this advice is so frequently delivered. Tact goes a long way in such matters.
On one hand, many newly-blind and elderly users are simply too overwhelmed by screen reading and text-to-speech technologies to begin with, especially if they didn't use computers before losing their sight or in their younger decades.
On the other, when people repeatedly ask the same elementary questions, valuable time is taken to answer them, time that could be better spent discussing more involved and perplexing issues.
For instance, I have found, to my immense dismay, that, when posting comments on Quora, if I stop typing and navigate by character, word or line, JAWS not only takes me out of forms mode, it also brings me to the top of the page. This shouldn't be happening, since Quora's edit fields are standard.
Until a few days ago, I was having an issue on both desktop and laptop where, upon startup, JAWS would announce itself after loading, then go silent, as though it had closed. But, it never was closed; entering the JAWS menu and reselecting my desired sound card resumed speech. This is entirely absurd, since, when no device is selected, JAWS uses the default audio device. Besides, my desired sound card had been previously selected and presumably saved in JAWS' configuration files.
Now folks, how are we supposed to answer questions like these if we're always telling people how to turn off punctuation, invoke the touch cursor, enter/exit forms mode, increase/decrease speech rate, etc.?
Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

David Diamond
 

Sometimes the brain gets a cramp and the spell checker misses the obvious.  Btw, I tried to implement the “Mute this topic” function, hitting the delete key is a lot easier, I don’t have to remember my password to implement it. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: May 18, 2021 7:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 02:05 AM, David Diamond wrote:

Said with tong firmly planted in my cheek.

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Ouch!  Ouch, ouch, ouch!!  [Sorry, some spelling slips are just too funny, as written, to resist.]
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 02:05 AM, David Diamond wrote:
Said with tong firmly planted in my cheek.
-
Ouch!  Ouch, ouch, ouch!!  [Sorry, some spelling slips are just too funny, as written, to resist.]
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Accessible applications to manage your screen time with cold Turkey from Blind Bargains

Richard Turner
 

Accessible applications to manage your screen time with cold Turkey

Tangela Mahaffey May 17, 2021 3:21 PM ET

 

I've reviewed your options for managing screen time with iOS, but until recently, did not believe there was an accessible way to do this on windows.

Windows does have solutions to measure screen time built in. However, these are mostly geared towards family screen time management. Options for an individual user to manage their onscreen time are sorely lacking natively. There is no option to set specific apps as active, choose how long you spent in each app, or temporarily blocked distracting apps and web sites.

Recommended by Zapier on this list of The 7 best apps to help you focus and block distractions, The suite of apps by cold Turkey software attempts to change this. Fortunately, unlike other apps of its kind, these are also accessible.

Cold Turkey offers three different apps that tackle the problem in slightly different ways. First, cold Turkey blocker lets you designate apps and web sites as off - limits either for a particular interval of time, until the computer is restarted, or until a password is entered. Cold Turkey Micromanager takes the opposite approach, instead allowing you to choose the apps you want to be able to access at any given time and blocking everything else. Finally, Cold Turkey Writer is a minimalist text editor which forces you to focus on the active document.

Read on for a walkthrough of using all three apps, features, pricing, and of course, accessibility.

cold Turkey blocker

Cold Turkey blocker is the flagship application of the company and the one for which it is most well-known. This was the first app I tried and is the most feature-rich of cold turkeys offerings.

Overview

The application is divided into the following sections, which are all screen reader accessible links.

  • Overview
  • Blocks
  • Statistics
  • Settings

Below these links, in the overview tab, which is active by default, you will see whether you have extensions enabled, and the button to upgrade to a pro account, if you don't already have one. Extensions are available for Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome, and Firefox. Even if you have one of these extensions, you will still see the button to add inactive extensions. Because of the way this app works, if you do not have an extension enabled for a web browser, cold Turkey blocker cannot tell whether you are following your blocks, so you will not be able to open it while a block is active. For example, if you have the chrome extension enabled but not the extension for Firefox, you will be able to open Google Chrome, but will not be able to use Firefox until you have disabled the block. Below this, you will see a summary of your current blocks, upcoming blocks, and a summary of your blocks for the day. You will have the option to export your block summaries as a .json file.

blocks

At the top of the blocks section, you will first see the option to choose between blocks and "Frozen Turkey." Blocks has all your block lists, while frozen Turkey is like the downtime feature of iOS -- it allows you to designate time away from the screen. While this is active, you will only be able to access the lock screen of your device. You can choose between several alternative options for activating this in the settings section, which will be covered below.

managing blocks

The blocks tab is the bread and butter of the app. Here, you'll manage every aspect of blocklists--create, edit, enable, and set timers for various lists and choose which users will be affected by them. If you have not yet created a block list, the only option you will see is a default list called distractions, which is pre-filled with web sites including Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Discord, and more. Beside each blocklist, you'll see the name of the list, the option to choose which user accounts on the pc the list effects, and rename, duplicate, or delete it. Below this is a checkbox which toggles whether the given block is active or not. Contrary to most applications, the checkbox that toggles a given block list is below the name of that list, instead of being above it. You will then also see Continuous block, no breaks, Unlocked. You can press enter or space on these options to get more options in the given section. Many of the sub-options here are paid features. If you attempt to use a paid feature but do not have the full version of the app, you will be prompted to upgrade to the full version.

  • Continuous block allows you to choose whether the blocklist is active going forward from the current time, or active according to a specific schedule, from 9 to 5 on weekdays for example.
  • No breaks has three sections: no brakes, Pomodoro timer, or allowances. No brakes, the only option available to a free user, means that the block will run from the time it is set continuously to the time it is disabled. Pomodoro and allowances allow you to automate patterns for special breaks without having to manually disable and reenable the blocklist. The Pomodoro feature uses the Pomodoro technique, a technique developed in the 80's for maximizing productivity by working in medium sprints of focused activities with planned short breaks between them. Allowances work like Pomodoro, but allow you to set customized intervals of focus and breaks.
  • Unlocked lets you set the options for whether a blocklist should be editable and how an active block should be ended. The available options are: none, timer, random text, time range, and restart. Timer allows you to choose a specific date and time at which the block will be ended, random text requires you to type a series of random characters of a customizable length to end the block, time range lets you set a schedule for how often a block should occur, and restart locks the block until your computer is restarted. You can also set a password to edit your blocklists, however this is a paid feature.

creating a new block list

The button to create a new block list is located at the bottom of the block section. Focus will be placed in the form field to enter a website to block. Exit forms mode if using NVDA, or press Jaws key+Z if using Jaws, to exit the field and explore the rest of the page. Scroll up to access the different sections available to be blocked. The available sections are: websites, website exceptions, and applications. Web sites allow you to choose which websites to block. Web site exceptions allow you to input websites which will be available even with a blocklist that includes web browsers. And applications allows you to select applications to block. You can also use * to represent wildcard text in the website lists. You can block both native windows applications as well as .exe files within any folder. If you want to block several applications in addition to the default blocked web sites, the easiest method is to edit the default distractions list and simply add the applications you want to block. Application blocking is a paid feature, but you can block web sites in the free version. You can create an infinite number of block lists, allowing you to choose specific applications and websites for specific tasks. You might, for example, create one blocklist for working, and another for leisure reading or research. In order to rename your new list, go to the block section of the app and press enter on rename beside your new list. You can also import and export the block data between versions of cold Turkey blocker.

statistics

The statistics section of the app is much like the summary section. Here, you will find summary data about the time saved by blocking applications and web sites, which you can sort by date ranges. You can export this data for later review. I find this data a little difficult to parse accessibly, but it does all seem to be available.

settings

The setting session is divided into the following categories: Preferences, Notifications, Blocking, Statistics, and Password.

The preferences section allows you to select whether you wish to display time in 12-hour or 24-hour format, choose the first day of the week, select a light or dark application theme, choose the behavior for minimizing and closing the app, decide whether the app should be added to the list of startup apps, and whether to show the extension install dialog when opening (if extensions aren't installed).

Notifications allow you to set preferences regarding whether you are notified before blocks start, when allowance and Pomodoro timers change, and customize how much advanced warning before the beginning of a block you would like to receive.

Statistics allow you to choose what statistics you would like, delete existing statistics data, and decide whether you would like to receive statistics data. You cannot edit most of these settings while timer or allowance blocks are active.

Finally, if you have the full version of blocker, you can set and change passwords in the passwords tab.

Overview of free and paid features

The paid version of the app is $39.00 for a lifetime membership. You can also try the pro version of the app for seven days before deciding whether or not to buy it.

Both the trial and pro versions of cold Turkey blocker have unlimited website blocking for multiple browsers, allow you to generate statistics, and have blocks for unlimited durations. Only the pro version allows you to block applications, allows scheduled blocks with allowances and Pomodoro timers, choose which user accounts will be affected by a given block,, and set passwords on your blocks. You can read more, download the free version, and buy Cold Turkey Pro here

Cold Turkey Micromanager

Micromanager works with an inverse philosophy to blocker. Rather than choosing to block specific things, Micromanager allows you to choose which specific programs and websites will be active, and blocks everything else.

When first launching the app, you will need to choose yes to allow the app to make changes to your device.

The app is divided into the following sections: Settings, Whitelist, Duration, Breaks, and Start. Unlike Blocker, this app works best when you take each section individually and in order.

The settings section is divided into two categories: blocking and notifications. Blocking allows you to choose whether you want applications to be closed or minimized when not in use. Be careful, as if you choose to have them close and have unsaved work in an application that has not been whitelisted before starting a block, you may lose unsaved data. Notifications allow you to choose whether a notification shows up in the action center after your block is over and at the beginning of breaks.

The whitelist section allows you to choose the active apps. In addition to buttons allowing you to choose apps anywhere on your computer, you will also find checkboxes corresponding to recently-opened apps. The free version only allows you to have one active app at any given time, while the paid version allows you to choose as many as you wish.

Duration allows you to choose whether the block should be active for a given period of time, or until the device restarts. A text field allows you to choose the time, in minutes, that the block should be active.

Brakes, like those found in blocker, allow you to choose between no brakes, Pomodoro timers, or allows breaks. As in blocker, allowances enable you to set customized durations for focused time and breaks. For example, you might wish to work 45 minutes, have a 5 minute break, then return to work for another 45 minutes. Allowances enable you to customize this pattern. Breaks are a pro feature. The free version of the app only allows timers. This means you can set a block for 15 minutes, but will then need to reset the block if you wish to continue for another 15 minutes

Finally, the summary tab lets you review before starting the active block. Be sure you review this carefully, as once the block is active, it cannot be changed until the conditions have been met. When the options have not been set properly, screenreaders will view the summary as blank--no apps will be listed as active.

Once you have started a block, you can see the time remaining in the cold Turkey Micromanager window. If you attempt to open other applications while a block is active, the application will not open. If minimize apps is selected, apps will open, but will not work as expected until the duration is complete. You may receive a notification explaining that you cannot open the app until your Micromanager session is complete. In my testing, this notification appeared intermittently.

Once your micromanager session is complete, you will have the option to restart a session with the same parameters, or start a new session with new parameters.

free and pro features

The pro version of this app is $19.00. It allows you to block multiple apps and set allowance and Pomodoro breaks. Both the free and pay version of the app enable e-mail support from the developer, support for notifications, minimize or close blocked apps, block until you restart, a countdown timer, and robust blocking. Read more and download the app here unlike Blocker, Micromanager does not have a trial version available.

Cold Turkey Writer

In my testing, cold Turkey writer is the most difficult of these apps to use with a screen reader. As far as I can tell, all functionality is accessible, but it is not always intuitive or easy to use. In short, cold Turkey writer is a minimalist text editor that locks you into using it for a given duration of time, or until you have met a particular word goal.

The idea of this is wonderful, and were it slightly more accessible, this would probably be the app I would use most frequently. Fortunately, I have been in talks with the developer, and have been given to understand that a forthcoming version will feature some accessibility fixes. I will update this review at that time, and look forward to trying the new version. For now, I'll walk you through using the app in its current state.

The interface of this app is very simple. When you first start the app, you will be placed in a text field. The app lets you set either a word goal or number of minutes you want to write for. In the text field, enter a number and press tab to select either words typed or minutes. Pressed left or right arrow to switch between these options. For example, you might wish to write either 150 words or for 10 minutes. Pressing tab again, you'll see quit, start, and new draft tab. If you want to use a new document, select new draft. If you want to add onto an existing document, press right arrow to choose open draft. After selecting open draft, press tab until you see a browse button. Press it and browse to the text file you want to open. When you have the settings configured, press start to begin your writing session. Once a session has started, you will not be able to leave the application, alt tab to other open applications, or open new applications. Depending on your settings, either a blank text file or a text file with the text of your active draft will be open. Visually, there's also a progress bar showing your progress towards your goal, but unfortunately this is inaccessible to screen readers. This is one of the things that will be added in subsequent versions. Until you've met your goal, nothing else will be on the screen. Once you have, you will then have the option to either snooze for 10 minutes, which starts a new writing session and returns you to the full screen version of your work, or save and quit. Writer autosaves every 10 seconds to your documents folder, so even if the app crashes, you will not lose your work. Pressing save and quit opens the save as dialog where you can rename the file, choose a new location for the file, etc. After the file is saved, you will see a congratulatory message and the app will close.

However, choosing the snooze or save buttons is unfortunately somewhat challenging with NVDA. First, remember that these buttons do not show up until and unless you've made your word or time goal. Since there is no way to C how close you are to your goal, you will need to manually keep track of this or keep checking for the buttons. What's more, you cannot access these buttons using standard screen reader navigation. First, make sure that NVDA is in screen review mode. Then press NVDA+up arrow to get past the text field and onto the buttons. Since they are side by side, you then need to press NVDA+ctrl+right arrow to get past the first button and onto the second. PressNVDA+enter to activate the button.

If writer detects a document in your documents folder with the default name for a draft, it will produce an error alerting you of the problem and close the application. In order to use writer again, you will need to go to your documents folder, find the document, and rename it. This usually happens if the application crashed, the computer is forced - restarted, or the file otherwise did not save correctly.

A pro version of cold Turkey writer also exists, though like Micromanager, it also does not have a trial version available. Consequently, I did not test the paid features of this app. Features included are: temporarily disable the backspace key (to get as many words on the page as possible), switch between a dark and light theme, change font style and size, and play included background music, soundtracks, and white noise. The pro version of the app is available for $9.00. Read more and buy the app here

All three of these apps are very accessible, well designed, and user friendly. I hope you will consider trying or buying at least one to increase your digital focus and productivity,. Phil free to ask questions, make suggestions, and share your experiences using these apps in the comments.

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Tangela Mahaffey is a barely reformed English Major currently residing in Colorado. She reads entirely too many fantasy books and takes almost nothing seriously, including herself. She loves technology, music, writing, puns, and cats. She can be reached on twitter @tmmahaff

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

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moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

David Diamond
 

Tyler, I entirely agree.  Let’s just do away with all groups and list and just look everything up on the internet where anyone and their dog can post their dogma. Your blind?  What’s a matter with you, why cannot you understand to just click the yellow X at the top of the screen, or click on this. I made this video for all to understand how … works. Said with tong firmly planted in my cheek.     

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: May 17, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

The internet is a vast and enormous place. It’s high time in 2021 we started using the resources available to us to search for information.

This isn’t preaching, this should be common practice. Ignorance in doing ones own google search at this juncture is simply astounding to me. If a google search does not yield the results, then perhaps a post is warranted. I rarely see ‘I did a google search or searched the archives’ for common questions.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Shan Noyes wrote:

Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

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In your opinion, which is not shared by many.

You ought to have done a search of the group archives, too.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Fill and Sign PDF

Cornelius
 

 
Thank you. will check that out.
 
 

From: James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 9:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Fill and Sign PDF
 

They do have a free account, yes.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cornelius
Sent: May 17, 2021 8:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Fill and Sign PDF

 

 

Thank you. Is Docusign free?

 

 

From: James Homuth

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 2:49 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Fill and Sign PDF

 

This is not accessible. I had to try using it recently, and JAWS absolutely hates it. Fortunately, there are alternatives (consider looking into Docusign) that will do the same thing.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cornelius
Sent: May 17, 2021 2:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Fill and Sign PDF

 

Hi all,

Is there any tutorial out there to show how to fill and sign PDF documents using the Adobe Reader with JAWS?

Any help on this matter is greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you.

 


moderated Re: Suggestion for question askers

James Bentley
 

How many Apps can be pinned to the task bar?

 

Do you have to have 9 Apps pinned before you can asign the number zero to an App?

 

James B

 

  From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Suggestion for question askers

 

A much better option is to pin your favourite applications to the taskbar. In Windows 10 the Windows Key + the correspondin number key is the shortcut to load or jump to that application.

If you type Mail and it comes up just press Shiftv + F10 or the application key if you have one and arrow down to "Pin to Taskbar".

Now go to the Taskbar which can be easily done by pressing Windows Key + T, the first app you land on is the one on the very left and wuold be 1.

If you arrow right you can see what else is there, if you get to Mail after pressing right arrow 3 tims that means it is in position 4. Now you can also rearrange the apps on the taskbar as you like them, if you use Jaws pressJaws JKey + Control + NumPad Slash to start dragging the app you are on, arrow left or right to where you want it and press the same key combination again to drop it there.

Let's say you put Edge or Chrome or whichever browser you use in the first position, the Mail in second, Notepad in third and Excel in fourth.

You can now open or go to any of these applications simply by pressing Windows Key + 1 on the number row for your browser, Windows Key + 2 for Mail, Windows Key + 3 for Notepad and Windowss Jkey + 4 for Excel.

This is much better for your 5 or 6 most used apps than puttin gthem on the desktop where every time you want to get to it you have to press Windows Key + D or M to minimize to the desktop, then arrowing to your application or using first letter navigation to get to it and pressing enter to open it.

This way if you are browsing the web and you hear an email come in all you have to do it press Windows Key + 2 and no matter if Mail is already loaded or not it will open. When you are done and you want to go back to your browsing session you can either press Alt + Tab or press Windows Key + 1.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Suggestion for question askers

 

If when asking a question, one actually took a sentence or two to say what they have done on their own to find the answer, it would help a lot in getting a reasonably good answer and help those of us who try to help know what not to repeat if it has already been tried or searched for.

 

That to me seems like a damnably reasonable request before anyone tries to help.

 

Too often questions are thrown out there with no context, so it is easy to think the person has not tried to find anything on their own.

 

I do not want a big discussion about this, just consider it and those who adopt it, great, and those who don’t, o well.

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
These forums are for asking questions
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And they're for asking questions where it is genuinely difficult to find a quick and easy answer.  And I cannot, for the life of me, understand why that is not taken as a given.  If I can find an answer in almost no time without bothering anyone else to get it that's what I do.  It's common courtesy.

And amen to having the common courtesy to read through all messages for a give topic before even thinking of putting out a response of any kind.  The amount of repetition would decrease dramatically, and would benefit all.
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

Glenn / Lenny
 

I have a Brother laser one like that that doesn't use ink, but I haven't had a lot of success using it.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

Definitely, I have a Zebra one at my store for printing price tags. They don't use ink, it's some sort of thermal technology and the labels are on a roll, I think the ones I have are 2.5 inches high and 3.5 inches wide. Our point of sale program prints directly to that printer, all I have to do is activate the "Print Label" button which is on the left in front of each product in the list and it sends it to the printer.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

 

Do such label printers exist?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

These forums are for asking questions, but it is not too much to ask for people to at least read the messages which are already there. As Richard pointed out, the name of the list and the subscribe address were already provided, some people just can't be bothered to spend even a few minutes reading the messages from a particular topic/thread before asking again.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Wayland
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

That is the absolute truth!

Why do we even have these forms if every time someone ask a question they are told to go search on the internet?

Maybe some people like the contact with other people.  Nothing wrong with that. There is one person on here, and he is either on or has been on other forms who can’t answer a question without belittling everyone.  Too bad too because he is very knowledgeable.  Why not just answer the question and go on and don’t worry about all the other stuff. 

Larry

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Shan, hope I spelled that correctly, JAWS does not go over your email address letter by letter.  Or, if it does I don’t know how to enable it.  What you describe at the top of this message is arrogance on the person making that comment.  It is talking down to someone. I don’t know if it was me or Google, however, I did a Google search for something and the info I was given was way off base. Thus I would prefer someone do the search for me. If they said, “Well if you did a google search you would of found out….” I ask someone else.       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: May 17, 2021 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

Hi:

 

I also would like to know about the other jfw users list.  I’m happy to hear that the discussion stays on jaws issues more closely.

 

This group list has been pretty good. Some excellent info.  However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Because my approach is there is no dumb questions.  Besides who knows, maybe sure the answer is out on the net, but it was written by a either non jaws user or a sighted person who does use jaws a bit, but also has their screen on.

 

Note: Eric Danbery from Freedom Scientific is fully sighted, but he uses Jaws with his screen turned off to ensure that he is experiencing exactly what Jaws users who can not see the screen are experiencing.

 

It becomes very  important when one has to deal with complicated screen layouts.  Can a person who doesn’t see the screen easily get the information they need or not.

 

So I’ll also go check out the other list.  This list is also pretty good here, but please please everyone remember we are here to support each other.  Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

 

Because the benefit of asking questions of people who use the speech program i.e. Jaws is that sometimes you will get special gems of short cuts etc from them.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

-------------------------------------------------------------
WARNING, this email originated from outside of SaskTel.
Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and believe the contents are safe.
--------------------------------------------------------------

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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moderated Re: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

 

Definitely, I have a Zebra one at my store for printing price tags. They don't use ink, it's some sort of thermal technology and the labels are on a roll, I think the ones I have are 2.5 inches high and 3.5 inches wide. Our point of sale program prints directly to that printer, all I have to do is activate the "Print Label" button which is on the left in front of each product in the list and it sends it to the printer.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

 

Do such label printers exist?

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

 

Dymo nakes a huge assortment of all sorts of label printers connected to a computer or which work via WiFi, they make stand-alone label writers and even shipping scales, you can get an idea here:

https://www.dymo.com/en_CA/home

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

 

Is it really a Dymo then?

I thought that Dymo was only that thick plastic tape that is either 3/8 or 1/2 inch wide.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:56 AM

Subject: Re: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

 

No, this Dymo printer just prints out paper self-adhesive address labels.

 

Alison

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 17 May 2021 21:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

 

Alison,

So I'm confused, does this print on Dymo tape, or paper labels?

And, is it doing Braille, like a label gun, or is it doing print?

I was of the impression that you put in Dymo tape, and it embosses the Braille, like a Braille label gun.

 

Thanks.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: label printers which are accessible with Jaws

 

No, you insert a roll of address labels into the Dymo printer, which is probably about 6 inches tall by six or seven inches long and connects via USB to the computer.

The way I have been using it is to select the address, paste it into a blank Word page, press alt and arrow along to Dymo, hit enter and then print, but at the moment Jaws is being a bit stubborn about reading the menu options in the Dymo Tab but I have learnt how to overcome this by counting the number of times to tab.

It then prints the label, which I tear off at the serrated edge.

The labels are self-adhesive and ideal for putting on envelopes, packages etc. But it is not a braille labeller.

Alison


moderated Re: Suggestion for question askers

 

A much better option is to pin your favourite applications to the taskbar. In Windows 10 the Windows Key + the correspondin number key is the shortcut to load or jump to that application.

If you type Mail and it comes up just press Shiftv + F10 or the application key if you have one and arrow down to "Pin to Taskbar".

Now go to the Taskbar which can be easily done by pressing Windows Key + T, the first app you land on is the one on the very left and wuold be 1.

If you arrow right you can see what else is there, if you get to Mail after pressing right arrow 3 tims that means it is in position 4. Now you can also rearrange the apps on the taskbar as you like them, if you use Jaws pressJaws JKey + Control + NumPad Slash to start dragging the app you are on, arrow left or right to where you want it and press the same key combination again to drop it there.

Let's say you put Edge or Chrome or whichever browser you use in the first position, the Mail in second, Notepad in third and Excel in fourth.

You can now open or go to any of these applications simply by pressing Windows Key + 1 on the number row for your browser, Windows Key + 2 for Mail, Windows Key + 3 for Notepad and Windowss Jkey + 4 for Excel.

This is much better for your 5 or 6 most used apps than puttin gthem on the desktop where every time you want to get to it you have to press Windows Key + D or M to minimize to the desktop, then arrowing to your application or using first letter navigation to get to it and pressing enter to open it.

This way if you are browsing the web and you hear an email come in all you have to do it press Windows Key + 2 and no matter if Mail is already loaded or not it will open. When you are done and you want to go back to your browsing session you can either press Alt + Tab or press Windows Key + 1.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Suggestion for question askers

 

If when asking a question, one actually took a sentence or two to say what they have done on their own to find the answer, it would help a lot in getting a reasonably good answer and help those of us who try to help know what not to repeat if it has already been tried or searched for.

 

That to me seems like a damnably reasonable request before anyone tries to help.

 

Too often questions are thrown out there with no context, so it is easy to think the person has not tried to find anything on their own.

 

I do not want a big discussion about this, just consider it and those who adopt it, great, and those who don’t, o well.

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Suggestion for question askers

Richard Turner
 

If when asking a question, one actually took a sentence or two to say what they have done on their own to find the answer, it would help a lot in getting a reasonably good answer and help those of us who try to help know what not to repeat if it has already been tried or searched for.

 

That to me seems like a damnably reasonable request before anyone tries to help.

 

Too often questions are thrown out there with no context, so it is easy to think the person has not tried to find anything on their own.

 

I do not want a big discussion about this, just consider it and those who adopt it, great, and those who don’t, o well.

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

Larry Wayland
 

That is the absolute truth!

Why do we even have these forms if every time someone ask a question they are told to go search on the internet?

Maybe some people like the contact with other people.  Nothing wrong with that. There is one person on here, and he is either on or has been on other forms who can’t answer a question without belittling everyone.  Too bad too because he is very knowledgeable.  Why not just answer the question and go on and don’t worry about all the other stuff. 

Larry

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Shan, hope I spelled that correctly, JAWS does not go over your email address letter by letter.  Or, if it does I don’t know how to enable it.  What you describe at the top of this message is arrogance on the person making that comment.  It is talking down to someone. I don’t know if it was me or Google, however, I did a Google search for something and the info I was given was way off base. Thus I would prefer someone do the search for me. If they said, “Well if you did a google search you would of found out….” I ask someone else.       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: May 17, 2021 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

Hi:

 

I also would like to know about the other jfw users list.  I’m happy to hear that the discussion stays on jaws issues more closely.

 

This group list has been pretty good. Some excellent info.  However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Because my approach is there is no dumb questions.  Besides who knows, maybe sure the answer is out on the net, but it was written by a either non jaws user or a sighted person who does use jaws a bit, but also has their screen on.

 

Note: Eric Danbery from Freedom Scientific is fully sighted, but he uses Jaws with his screen turned off to ensure that he is experiencing exactly what Jaws users who can not see the screen are experiencing.

 

It becomes very  important when one has to deal with complicated screen layouts.  Can a person who doesn’t see the screen easily get the information they need or not.

 

So I’ll also go check out the other list.  This list is also pretty good here, but please please everyone remember we are here to support each other.  Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

 

Because the benefit of asking questions of people who use the speech program i.e. Jaws is that sometimes you will get special gems of short cuts etc from them.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

-------------------------------------------------------------
WARNING, this email originated from outside of SaskTel.
Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and believe the contents are safe.
--------------------------------------------------------------

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

NOTICE: This confidential e-mail message is only for the intended recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that disclosing, copying, distributing, or any other use of this message, is strictly prohibited. In such case, please destroy this message and notify the sender.


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

Tyler Wood
 

The internet is a vast and enormous place. It’s high time in 2021 we started using the resources available to us to search for information.

This isn’t preaching, this should be common practice. Ignorance in doing ones own google search at this juncture is simply astounding to me. If a google search does not yield the results, then perhaps a post is warranted. I rarely see ‘I did a google search or searched the archives’ for common questions.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 06:06 PM, Shan Noyes wrote:

Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

-
In your opinion, which is not shared by many.

You ought to have done a search of the group archives, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

David Diamond
 

Moderation is subjective at best, some moderate their groups to death and others let everything go. Somewhat like the proverbial Nero fiddling while Rome burned.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: May 17, 2021 2:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

-
No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

David Diamond
 

However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Shan, hope I spelled that correctly, JAWS does not go over your email address letter by letter.  Or, if it does I don’t know how to enable it.  What you describe at the top of this message is arrogance on the person making that comment.  It is talking down to someone. I don’t know if it was me or Google, however, I did a Google search for something and the info I was given was way off base. Thus I would prefer someone do the search for me. If they said, “Well if you did a google search you would of found out….” I ask someone else.       

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: May 17, 2021 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

Hi:

 

I also would like to know about the other jfw users list.  I’m happy to hear that the discussion stays on jaws issues more closely.

 

This group list has been pretty good. Some excellent info.  However, I sure could do without the preaching and belittling that takes place.

 

There is absolutely no reason to keep pointing out well if you did a google search you would of found out….

 

Because my approach is there is no dumb questions.  Besides who knows, maybe sure the answer is out on the net, but it was written by a either non jaws user or a sighted person who does use jaws a bit, but also has their screen on.

 

Note: Eric Danbery from Freedom Scientific is fully sighted, but he uses Jaws with his screen turned off to ensure that he is experiencing exactly what Jaws users who can not see the screen are experiencing.

 

It becomes very  important when one has to deal with complicated screen layouts.  Can a person who doesn’t see the screen easily get the information they need or not.

 

So I’ll also go check out the other list.  This list is also pretty good here, but please please everyone remember we are here to support each other.  Not to keep pointing out well if you did a google search….

 

Because the benefit of asking questions of people who use the speech program i.e. Jaws is that sometimes you will get special gems of short cuts etc from them.

 

Have a good day everyone.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more about another jfw list discussion list

 

-------------------------------------------------------------
WARNING, this email originated from outside of SaskTel.
Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and believe the contents are safe.
--------------------------------------------------------------

 

The other JFW list, the JFW-Users list, which was created in 2019 to replace the JAWS-Users list, which was abruptly shut down,  is more closely moderated and discussions that are not relevant to JAWS are not permitted.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:37 PM, Ken Chernack via groups.io wrote:

Hi Gerald.

 

How does this new/alternative discussion list differ from the one we are using?

 

Are they similar? Same personalities on it? Do they complement each other?

 

Thanks for your assistance/knowledge.

Ken

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

The other list is called the JFW-Users list.  To subscribe, send a blank message to:

 

jfw-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

    Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 12:48 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

 

 

What is the othe rlist called?

 

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

 

Also, the other list has stricter rules against personal attacks and member bashing.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/17/2021 4:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



It's easy to get that list and this one mixed up, the other one is more strict about staying on the topic of Jaws.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: CJ &AA MAY

Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 10:32 AM

Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

My apologies! You are right.

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 17 May 2021 16:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:47 AM, CJ &AA MAY wrote:

I beg to argue, James. I sent a message to the list asking for help as the menu options for my Dymo label printer were not being read a couple of weeks ago.

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No, you did not.  You sent it to the JFW-Users Group.  Topic:  Dymo Label Printer
 
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