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moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,
For goodness sakes.
I would really like to know how anyone can remotely say arrogant and pompous in relation to this person with a straight face. Perhaps some people need to take a step back - he is giving information that one should rightly know and take into account before asking questions on a mailing list with this much traffic, has given nothing but helpful information that is easy to follow. It is you, as the person given this information, that must choose to take it into account or not.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 10:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Those of us in the know realize that Brian is just being his same and
usual arrogant and pompous and patronizing self. The sad thing is that
he is very helpful, despite himself.


Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 5/15/2021 8:43 PM, Roger Crome wrote:
Brian Vogel wrote

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.
—-
So,you are insulted that someone should challenge what you say because you come across in a way that perhaps you do not intend. How dare someone not understand what you are meaning rather than how you are coming across.

You are correct that you do not have to spend the amount of time you do providing quality feedback on the various lists, and many people appreciate what value you bring. However, that value does not give free reign to spout arrogance that devalues the efforts put forth by other listers. Because, let’s be frank here and admit that every person both sighted and without sight is at a different level of skill and at a different place in their journey of learning. You are just assuming that a person is posting a question because they haven’t tried themselves to search for said material. The fact is that you really don’t know where they are in regard to their journey through blindness, and you certainly do not know the personal perspective of challenges that aren’t as simple as you assume to overcome. You spend a lot of time as an expert and offering solutions, but that doesn’t give you the right to belittle and assume the amount of work someone puts into what they are trying to learn. I have had many situations in my time as a teacher of assistive technology that I have personally witnessed the level of struggle that someone deals with when attempting to navigate something that seems simple to me. It, however, would be wrong to assume that the person is simply not practicing or trying because the variance in skill sets and experience is why I have a job. By that token, lists like this exist for people to crowd source learn and gain support, and if they are belittled every time they voice a question, then the entire purpose of the list is devolved.

That being said, I want to make it clear that you can have no perspective from the blind user point of view as to what is easy. It is one thing to have a visual map to draw on and use yur knowledge to navigate rather than not have any perspective of the placement or breakdown of a web page and try to learn those basic groupings by trial and error. Brian, you are a valuable resource and are appreciated for the value you bring, but perhaps, you should consider the value you attempt to take away from others by using snarky comments that have absolutely no constructive value.

Just my opinion.
Roger
On May 15, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.



moderated Re: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Just be aware that if you install the Narrator braille driver, you will not be able to use Jaws or NVDA on that machine without first figuring out how to get rid of the Narrator driver. Microsoft has been aware of this issue for at least two years if not more, and so far, are sitting on their hands rather than fixing it.
Good luck.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 16, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...> wrote:



I primarily use JAWS for  everything  and I use a  braille display for  everything.

 

So I have another laptop that I have not used so I thought I would like to give it a  try using Narrator with a braille  display to see how it works with all the MS   applications.

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

 

I'm not sure what you mean. If you can use Narrator with a braille display in excell, I would think it would be but since I refuse to use Narrator with a braille display because it then interferes with NVDA and Jaws using braille, you'll have to try it and see.

If you find it is not, please give me pointers on how to make it more accessible with Narrator.

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 



On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...> wrote:



Hi, is this MS  Narrator   braille  accessible?

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

 

Hello all,

Thanks for the discussion about Narrator keyboard commands.

It inspired me to create an Excel Workbook of the Narrator commands that I already had in Word, for myself and on my web site.

I learned a lot about Excel over the last couple of days, and have tons more to learn.

But, for now, on my web site is a link to the excel workbook.

There is a couple of paragraphs before the link that I recommend reading before downloading the Workbook.

Thanks to all this, I now know how to create a hyperlink within a workbook to serve as a Table of contents of sorts.

The narrator stuff is in the heading I called “Windows Related Items”.

Windows Related Items is at heading level 1 and the information within that section is at heading level 2.

 

www.turner42.com

 

HTH,

 

Richard

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Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

 


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moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

This probably has a lot of good stuff in it, but as far as dealing with Favorites is concerned, this has been changed since this was written and it does not apply any more. Also, the location of the downloads bar has been changed and you can't currently get to with with F6, it is best after starting a download to go to the downloads page with Control + J..

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 8:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Allison and anyone else, if I'm not wrong, here is the last tutorial that Jim Flusche made last year due to failing health issues. Hope it helps:

Some items to look at under Privacy and services in the New Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

This is how I have the following items set on my computer in Edge.

Open the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

down arrow to,Privacy and services,Press enter.

Tab a few times to, Tracking prevention check box checked.

Tab one time to, Balanced (Recommended) Blocks trackers from sites you haven’t visited Content and ads will likely be less personalized Sites will work as expected Blocks known harmful trackers radio button checked two of three.

Tab about nine times to, Allow sites to check if you have payment methods saved, check box‑ checked.

Tab about ten times to, Microsoft Defender SmartScreen check box‑ checked.

Tab one time to, Block potentially unwanted apps check box‑ checked.

Looking At Appearance settings in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Down arrow to Appearance,Press Enter.

Tab two times to, My computer says, Default theme System default button menu.

Tab two more times to, Show home button check box‑ checked.

Tab one time to, New tab page radio button‑ not checked.

Tab two times to, Show favorites bar Only on new tabs button menu.

* Important, Tab one more  time to, Show favorites button check box‑ checked.

Tab one more time to, Show Collections button check box‑ checked.

Tab one more time to, Show feedback button check box‑ not checked.

Tab one more time to, Show share button check box‑ not checked.

Tab again to, Font size Medium (Recommended) button menu.

Tab again to, Customize fonts.

The Show favorites Checkbox is important to make sure that it is checked, or your favorites bar will not show up in the Address bar tab.

*For example,on my computer if I want to get to my favorites quickly, I do the following:

Press ALT+d, this  takes you to the Address bar, Tab two times to favorites, Press Down arrow to look at your favorites.

Some items to look at under Profile in the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Now press Enter you are already on Profile.

Now Tab two times to Add profile Button.

Tab three times to Manage account Button.

* Pressing the Spacebar here takes me to my Microsoft account.

Tab one time to Sync Button.

*tip, If you have a Microsoft account, Sync needs to be turned on.

Tab one time to Passwords Button.

Tab one time to Payment info Button.

*tip, This shows me my credit card info, You can add other payment methods here.

Tab one time to Addresses and more Button.

*tip, you can add addresses here for Edge to remember for you.

Tab one more time to Import browser data Button.

*tip, For some reason if all your browser info does not carry over correctly, you can import it again here  I think.

You are now done in the privacy settings of Edge.

How to move around in the new Edge browser with Jaws.

OK, what good is it to give out directions if you don't know how to get around in the new Edge with Jaws?

OK, let me take a better try at explaining how to get around the new Edge with Jaws!

I start out with some new directions to more easily  get around the new Edge with Jaws, then some reminders on getting around Edge with  Jaws.

From your homepage, you can do the following things in Edge .

*Press the F6 key to cycle through elements, wich are    also   called
panes:

When you press f6, you will hear.

The tab bar

Address and search bar

Favorites bar (if available)

Webpage content

Downloads bar (if available)

notifications, if available.

* For example I really like the following way of getting around in the new Edge with Jaws.

**After Pressing F6 one time, from any page in Edge you will land on The tab bar.

From the Tab bar, you can Press eather Right or left arrow keys to look at all your open Tabs.

** For example, After Pressing F6 on my computer, I will hear:

Tab bar Tool bar, MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos Tab‑ selected,1 of 3.

when I Press the right arrow key I hear, Close tab Button.

when I Press the right arrow key again  I hear, windows10AndJaws@groups.io Home Tab 2 of 3.

‑when I Press the right arrow key again  I hear, Close tab Button.

‑when I Press the right arrow key again I hear, NFB-NEWSLINE® Online Publication List Tab 3 of 3.

when I Press the right arrow key again  I hear, Close tab Button.

when I Press the right arrow key again I hear,New Tab Button.

** This is the easiest and fastest way to change from one open Tab to another   Tab,  by just Pressing the Spacebar on any tab as you Right arrow across the Tab bar Tool bar.

** when you go across the Tab bar Tool bar, you can also close any open Tabs by Pressing the Spacebar on the close Tab button.

Pressing F6 again from the tab bar tool bar, you will hear Address and search bar Edit.

Pressing F6 again a third time will take you back to the original page you were on when you Pressed F6 the first time.

** Remember in my case  you can also  Press Control+Tab, to look at your   other two open tabs.

I can also  Press ALT+d, and Tab two times to my favorites folder, and I can arrow down through my favorits  folder.

** Remember after Pressing  ALT+d, you can also Tab across to other items besides Favorites.

I can also Press ALT+f, followed by the letter s, this will open the Edge settings.

I can also do an Internet search using either Bing or Google.

I can also look at my home page.

I can also play around in Edge using Jaws 2020 to learn how to use the Edge browser.

I can also go to,Accessibility with the new Microsoft Edge, the Link is below.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4538354/microsoft-edge-new-accessibility

About using Favorites in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

How do I  add a folder to Favorites in Edge.

Press Control+Shift+O,Press Escape to pop out of forms mode.

Press Control+Home, to go to the top of the page.

Press B for button two times  ,you will hear

Add favorite Button.

Add folder Button.

Press Enter on Add folder Button.

Type the name for your new folder and Press Enter

**tip, I created anew folder called bible in the Favorites bar.

Now Press Control+f4 to close this tab.

Now I am going to show you how I manage Favorites in Edge!

Press ALT+D, and Tab two times, you will hear, Favorites button menu, Press the down arrow key to see your Favorites.

As you Press the Down arrow key, you will hear something like this on my computer.

Favorites button menu‑

menu Manage favorites 1 of 6Ctrl+Shift+O.

Remove duplicate favorites 2 of 6.

bible sub menu3 of 6.

Microsoft account Home4 of 6https:************.com.

My Account5 of 6 https:******office.com

Other favorites sub menu‑6 of 6.

So managing your Favorites will be done right here in the Favorites Bar of the   Edge browser  using Jaws.

**For example, saving The new Windows 10 and Jaws group to Favorites in Edge.

First of all, go to our group home page in the Edge browser.

Press Control+D,to open the name  edit box for your new Favorite.

You will hear, The-new-Windows-10-and-Jaws-group@groups.io | Home.

I like this name, so now I will Tab one time to choose where I want to save this Favorite site in the Edge browser.

On my computer I can  save it in three places.

1. I can save it right in the  Favorites Bar area where my accounts are.

2. I can save it in the bible folder.

3. I can save it in the  other folder.

   Now remember the last saved location is remembered for you when you go to save another site.

I will choose the other folder  to save our group home page, I have it come up already as a start tab inEdge.

So whhen I tabbed one time from the name edit box,Jaws said Other combo box,I left it on other Favorites.

I Tabbed again to a more button.

I Tabbed again  to the  done button, I Pressed Enter.

My new site was successfully added to Favorites in the Edge browser.

Do the same steps  as above to add your favorite sites in Edge.

I moved all my bible sites into my bible folder.

Any sites that had long names, I saved them again with a shortened name, I deleted the sites with the long names.

   Just highlight any site you wish to delete, Press the Applications key, go down to delete and Press enter.

So now my Favorites are finally  organized in the new   Edge browser!

Ok read below for more ways to use Favorites in the new Edge with Jaws.

How do I get to Favorites in the new Edge?

There are many ways to get to Favorites with Jaws in the new Edge.

Press ALT+f, press o  forFavorits.

You will land on, Favorites sub menu.

Press down arrow to, Show favorites bar sub menu, Press right arrow.

You will hear, Favorites sub menu Always checked 1 of 3.  .

*tip, Press enter to Check this item if it is not Checked.

This way when you Press ALT+D, and Tab two times, you will hear, Favorites button menu, Press down arrow to see your Favorites.

If you Press the letter O, you will quickly jump to your Other Favorites sub menu, just Press right arrow one time, first letter navigation works in this list of other Favorites.

you can also Press, Control+Shift+B, to Show or hide the Favorites bar.

You can also Press, Alt+Shift+B, to Set focus on the first item in the Favorites bar.

*To add a website to Favorites, Press Control+D.

Press Control+Shift+D, to Save all open Tabs as Favorites in a new folder.

Control+Shift+O, Open Favorites Management.

  How to Use Immersive Reader in Microsoft Edge

When  I want to simplify a page to read with Jaws I use the Immersive Reader if available.

I Press f9 to turn it on, I read the page, I press f9 again to turn it off.

This is easy to do and easy to use. Smiles…

How to use Read Aloud in the new Microsoft Edge.

with the new Edge You can read a website or an article using Read Aloud.

This is very easy to do, just Press, control+Shift+U to Start or stop Read Aloud!

How to add a page to, On startup in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

*tip,Press ALT+d, to select theAddress bar, PressControl+c to copy the address of the website you wish to add to,  On startup.

Open the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Down arrow to, On startup, Press Enter.

Tab two times to a list of three radio buttons,  , Down arrow to open a secific page or pages.

Tab one time to Add a page button Press Enter.

Now Paiste into the edit box, the URL of the website you want to open when Edge starts up.

Now Tab one time to the Add button, Press Enter, You should hear a notification telling you that your site has been added to the On start up page .

Press ALT+f4 to close Edge.

Now open Edge, Press Control+tab, until you hear your newly added site come up for you, you are done!

I currently have three websites that open with no issues when I start the new Edge.

How to install a website as an app in the Edge browser?

How to install a website as an app in the Edge browser?

I installed Freedom Scientific as an app on my computer.

I first went to the  Freedom Scientific website.

I pressed the ALT key, now arrow down  to,Apps sub menu,press the right arrow key to open.

Arrow down to Install this site as an app,press enter.

You land in an edit box, I left the name Freedom Scientific as the name for my new   app, and backspaced the rest of the name out of the edit box.

Tab to OK, press enter, now I have aded Freedom Scientific as a new app on my computer.

             Now go to all apps, find the Freedom Scientific app,highlight the app.

Press the applications key,arrow down to more sub menu, right arrow,down arrow toOpen File Location, press the Spacebar.

Press the Applications key again, arrow down to Send to submenu, right arrow, down arrow to create a desktop shortcut, Press enter.

You now have a new desktop icon called Freedom Scientific,you are done.

Press enter on your new icon to go directly to the Freedom Scientific web site.

You can do this with any site,have fun!


-------- Original Message --------
From: CJ &AA MAY [mailto:chrisalismay@gmail.com]
Subject: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2021, 9:38 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Thank you so much for sharing these, Mike. I confess that I am still stumbling around Edge and am not very knowledgeable about the tabs etc.
and many of the items in the list, mean nothing to me. I think that I should really try to find an Edge tutorial which is Jaws-related; is there such a thing, or a podcast or something?

Alison

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mike B
*Sent:* 15 May 2021 11:14
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Hi Steven,

These are the latest I have:


Ctrl + D

Save your current webpage as a favorite

Ctrl + E

Open a search query in the address bar

Ctrl + F

Find on page

Ctrl + G

Jump to the next match to your Find Bar search

Ctrl + H

Open History in a new tab (web UI)

Ctrl + J

Open Downloads in a new tab (web UI)

Ctrl + L

Select the URL in the address bar to edit

Ctrl + M

Mute current tab (toggle)

Ctrl + N

Open a new window

Ctrl + O

Open a file from your computer in Edge

Ctrl + P

Print the current page

Ctrl + R

Reload the current page

Ctrl + S

Save the current page

Ctrl + Shift + B

Show or hide the favorites bar

Ctrl + Shift + D

Save all open tabs as favorites in a new folder

Ctrl + Shift + G

Jump to the previous match to your Find Bar search

Ctrl + Shift + I

Open Developer Tools

Ctrl + Shift + L

Paste and search or Paste and go (if it's a URL)

Ctrl + Shift + M

Sign in as a different user or browse as a Guest

Ctrl + Shift + N

Open a new InPrivate window

Ctrl + Shift + O

Open Favorites management

Ctrl + Shift + P

Print using the system dialog

Ctrl + Shift + R

Reload the current page, ignoring cached content

Ctrl + Shift + T

Reopen the last closed tab, and switch to it

Ctrl + Shift + V

Paste without formatting

Ctrl + Shift + W

Close the current window

Ctrl + T

Open a new tab and switch to it

Ctrl + U

View source

Ctrl + W

Close the current tab

Ctrl + 0 (zero)

Reset zoom level

Ctrl + 1, 2, ... 8

Switch to a specific tab

Ctrl + 9

Switch to the last tab

Ctrl + Enter

Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address bar

Ctrl + Shift + Delete

Open clear browsing data options

Ctrl + Tab

Switch to the next tab

Ctrl + Shift + Tab

Switch to the previous tab

Ctrl + Plus (+)

Zoom in

Ctrl + Minus (-)

Zoom out

Ctrl + \ (in a PDF)

Toggle PDF between fit to page / fit to width

Ctrl + [ (in a PDF)

Rotate PDF counter-clockwise 90*

Ctrl + ] (in a PDF)

Rotate PDF clockwise 90*

Ctrl + PgDn

Switch to the next tab

Ctrl + PgUp

Switch to the previous tab

Alt

Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button

Alt + Shift + B

Set focus on the first item in the favorites bar

Alt + D

Select the URL in the address bar to edit

Alt + E

Open the Settings and more "..." menu

Alt + F

Open the Settings and more "..." menu

Alt + Shift + I

Open the Send feedback dialog

Alt + Shift + T

Set focus on the first item in the toolbar

Alt + Left arrow

Go back

Alt + Right arrow

Go forward

Alt + Home

Open your home page in the current tab

Alt + F4

Close the current window

F1

Open Help

F3

Find on page

F4

Select the URL in the address bar

Ctrl + F4

Close the current tab

F5

Reload the current page

Shift + F5

Reload the current page, ignoring cached content

F6

Switch focus to next pane

Shift + F6

Switch focus to previous pane

F7

Turn caret browsing on or off

F10

Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button

F10 + Enter

Open Setting and more "…" menu

Shift + F10

Open context menu

F11

Enter full screen (toggle)

F12

Open Developer Tools

Esc

Stop loading page; close dialog or pop-up

Spacebar

Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time

Shift + Spacebar

Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time

PgDn

Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time

PgUp

Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time

Home

Go to the top of the page, Move keyboard focus to first item of pane

End

Go to the bottom of the page, Move keyboard focus to last item of pane

Tab

Go to next tab stop

Shift + Tab

Go to previous tab stop

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Steven Hicks <mailto:hickser@gmail.com>

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Sent:*Saturday, May 15, 2021 2:38 AM

*Subject:*Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Hi friends,

does anyone know the shortcut keys for Microsoft Edge please, I have pretty much completely moved to using it now.

I Know that ctrl+d adds a shortcut, how do you bring up the list of favorites and also back them up please?


moderated Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

By the way, the prior message was intentional hair-splitting about what Groups.io itself does and some common parlance.

If a group has assigned moderator(s) along with owner(s) they can both generally use the #adminnotice hashtag because all are in administrative roles.  Groups.io just doesn't use the title Admin or Administrator.  Whether a group owner does, as James just did, is a completely different matter.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:59 PM, Mario wrote:
James Homuth is or was the administrator.
-
There is no such thing, in Groups.io parlance, as an administrator.  The highest "Grand Poobah" for a group is its owner or owners (the person who initially sets up a group can designate co-owners).  I've never known of this group to have a moderator, as in someone assigned as moderator and given that role by the software.  If one exists, I never recall having seen any indication of same in public exchanges.

The current group owner does still receive messages sent to the group owner (and I asked this after I'd sent one, not gotten a response [which was unusual] and used his private address, which I have and will not share on the group, since that's both inappropriate and I now know that owner messages are reaching him).  Based on my recent exchange I believe that anything that does not rise to the level of what he deems to be "a crisis" is going to get any reply.  And as group owner, it is entirely his prerogative what he does, and does not, choose to do or reply to.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: My gripe about all the griping

James Homuth
 

Your notes are incorrect. James Molone is not a moderator here.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: May 16, 2021 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: My gripe about all the griping

my notes say that James Molone is or was the owner and moderator.
James Homuth is or was the administrator.
I don't know if I should provide their email address, but I will email you privately if you want to try to email them? I'm not sure if either will work since I haven't had a need to use either.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io [mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io]
Subject: My gripe about all the griping
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io

This is all well and good but would you happen to know who the owner of this list is? Just because there is a link to contact the owner at the bottom of every message does not necessarily mean that there is still an active owner running this list. The owner used to be James Honya but he is apparently no longer in charge. So who is running this list now?
Is there even anyone to complain to? Or has this list become an unmoderated chat forum where anything goes?


Gerald



On 5/16/2021 11:46 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

That quote certainly fits this list.
If you have a complaint about someone on the list, write them off list, or write the owner. Please stop wasting everyone else's time on the list. Or, for goodness sake, make it its own thread so we don't continue opening messages that we think are about a topic, only to find it is a gripe...


moderated Re: My gripe about all the griping

Mario
 

my notes say that James Molone is or was the owner and moderator.
James Homuth is or was the administrator.
I don't know if I should provide their email address, but I will email you privately if you want to try to email them? I'm not sure if either will work since I haven't had a need to use either.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io [mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io]
Subject: My gripe about all the griping
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2021, 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io

This is all well and good but would you happen to know who the owner of
this list is? Just because there is a link to contact the owner at the
bottom of every message does not necessarily mean that there is still an
active owner running this list.   The owner used to be James Honya but
he is apparently no longer in charge.  So who is running this list now?
Is there even anyone to complain to? Or has this list become an
unmoderated chat forum where anything goes?


Gerald



On 5/16/2021 11:46 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

That quote certainly fits this list.
If you have a complaint about someone on the list, write them off
list, or write the owner. Please stop wasting everyone else's time on
the list. Or, for goodness sake, make it its own thread so we don't
continue opening messages that we think are about a topic, only to
find it is a gripe...


moderated Re: My gripe about all the griping

 

I have had recent private correspondence with the Group Owner, who is the same person who's owned this group since my having joined it.

He long ago elected to go the "very light moderation indeed" route and only steps in if outrageous and completely untenable behaviors arise.

And when it comes to any Groups.io group, you, the end user, have exquisite control over what you do, and do not, have land in your inbox.  If you want to exercise it, then read:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx format)
--

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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Jaws 2021 and outlook 2019

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Yes that’s what have to do right now on outlook 2019 by tabbing back and forth using tab an shift tab to see the emails address show up when typing them in after sending an email to a particular address.

Thanks.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 11:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 2021 and outlook 2019

 

Hi Don, 

 

This topic was discussed in the German JAWS list as well. It seems to be a problem in combination with a Windows Update. Not all user have this problem and one user said she types the tab key to get into the list and this works for her. 

 

Best wishes

Udo 



Am 16.05.2021 um 17:08 schrieb Don Risavy, Jr. <djrisavyjr@...>:

 

Hello,

I’ve noticed lately that when typing an email address into the to field or even the cc or bcc fields that jaws 2021 is no longer announcing the email address typing in especially those that are stored in the list of email addresses from within outlook.

So wondered how would I enable this or allow this to happen using the latest version of jaws 2021?

Thanks.

Don

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: My gripe about all the griping

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I have no idea who or if there is an owner.
Frankly, it makes no difference. Griping to the list accomplishes exactly nothing, but wasting people's time.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 16, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:




This is all well and good but would you happen to know who the owner of this list is? Just because there is a link to contact the owner at the bottom of every message does not necessarily mean that there is still an active owner running this list.   The owner used to be James Honya but he is apparently no longer in charge.  So who is running this list now?  Is there even anyone to complain to? Or has this list become an unmoderated chat forum where anything goes?  


Gerald



On 5/16/2021 11:46 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

That quote certainly fits this list.
If you have a complaint about someone on the list, write them off list, or write the owner. Please stop wasting everyone else's time on the list. Or, for goodness sake, make it its own thread so we don't continue opening messages that we think are about a topic, only to find it is a gripe...







moderated Re: My gripe about all the griping

Gerald Levy
 


This is all well and good but would you happen to know who the owner of this list is? Just because there is a link to contact the owner at the bottom of every message does not necessarily mean that there is still an active owner running this list.   The owner used to be James Honya but he is apparently no longer in charge.  So who is running this list now?  Is there even anyone to complain to? Or has this list become an unmoderated chat forum where anything goes?  


Gerald



On 5/16/2021 11:46 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

That quote certainly fits this list.
If you have a complaint about someone on the list, write them off list, or write the owner. Please stop wasting everyone else's time on the list. Or, for goodness sake, make it its own thread so we don't continue opening messages that we think are about a topic, only to find it is a gripe...







moderated Re: My gripe about all the griping

Don Walls
 

Hear, hear!  Well said Richard.  I love the Eleanor Roosevelt quotation and shall save it.
 
Don
 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 8:46 AM
To: Main JFW user list
Subject: My gripe about all the griping
 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
 
That quote certainly fits this list.
If you have a complaint about someone on the list, write them off list, or write the owner. Please stop wasting everyone else's time on the list. Or, for goodness sake, make it its own thread so we don't continue opening messages that we think are about a topic, only to find it is a gripe...
 
 
 




moderated Re: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...>
 

I primarily use JAWS for  everything  and I use a  braille display for  everything.

 

So I have another laptop that I have not used so I thought I would like to give it a  try using Narrator with a braille  display to see how it works with all the MS   applications.

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 8:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

 

I'm not sure what you mean. If you can use Narrator with a braille display in excell, I would think it would be but since I refuse to use Narrator with a braille display because it then interferes with NVDA and Jaws using braille, you'll have to try it and see.

If you find it is not, please give me pointers on how to make it more accessible with Narrator.

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 



On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...> wrote:



Hi, is this MS  Narrator   braille  accessible?

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

 

Hello all,

Thanks for the discussion about Narrator keyboard commands.

It inspired me to create an Excel Workbook of the Narrator commands that I already had in Word, for myself and on my web site.

I learned a lot about Excel over the last couple of days, and have tons more to learn.

But, for now, on my web site is a link to the excel workbook.

There is a couple of paragraphs before the link that I recommend reading before downloading the Workbook.

Thanks to all this, I now know how to create a hyperlink within a workbook to serve as a Table of contents of sorts.

The narrator stuff is in the heading I called “Windows Related Items”.

Windows Related Items is at heading level 1 and the information within that section is at heading level 2.

 

www.turner42.com

 

HTH,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

 


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moderated Re: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I'm not sure what you mean. If you can use Narrator with a braille display in excell, I would think it would be but since I refuse to use Narrator with a braille display because it then interferes with NVDA and Jaws using braille, you'll have to try it and see.
If you find it is not, please give me pointers on how to make it more accessible with Narrator.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 16, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...> wrote:



Hi, is this MS  Narrator   braille  accessible?

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

 

Hello all,

Thanks for the discussion about Narrator keyboard commands.

It inspired me to create an Excel Workbook of the Narrator commands that I already had in Word, for myself and on my web site.

I learned a lot about Excel over the last couple of days, and have tons more to learn.

But, for now, on my web site is a link to the excel workbook.

There is a couple of paragraphs before the link that I recommend reading before downloading the Workbook.

Thanks to all this, I now know how to create a hyperlink within a workbook to serve as a Table of contents of sorts.

The narrator stuff is in the heading I called “Windows Related Items”.

Windows Related Items is at heading level 1 and the information within that section is at heading level 2.

 

www.turner42.com

 

HTH,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 




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moderated My gripe about all the griping

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

That quote certainly fits this list.
If you have a complaint about someone on the list, write them off list, or write the owner. Please stop wasting everyone else's time on the list. Or, for goodness sake, make it its own thread so we don't continue opening messages that we think are about a topic, only to find it is a gripe...







moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Maria Campbell
 

You attack all those who don't know as much as you when you bitch and criticize. 

Maria Campbell
lucky1inct@...

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke
On 5/16/2021 11:44 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:35 AM, Maria Campbell wrote:
Those of us in the know realize that Brian is just being his same and usual arrogant and pompous and patronizing self.  The sad thing is that he is very helpful, despite himself.
-
Personal attacks are just so classy.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 11:35 AM, Maria Campbell wrote:
Those of us in the know realize that Brian is just being his same and usual arrogant and pompous and patronizing self.  The sad thing is that he is very helpful, despite himself.
-
Personal attacks are just so classy.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

CJ &AA MAY <chrisalismay@...>
 

Any help with Edge is most welcome. I was an Internet Explorer until very recently and have been floundering around ever since going over to Edge, not really knowing what I was doing.
Alison

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 16 May 2021 16:29
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Allison and anyone else, if I'm not wrong, here is the last tutorial that Jim Flusche made last year due to failing health issues. Hope it helps:

Some items to look at under Privacy and services in the New Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

This is how I have the following items set on my computer in Edge.

Open the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

down arrow to,Privacy and services,Press enter.

Tab a few times to, Tracking prevention check box checked.

Tab one time to, Balanced (Recommended) Blocks trackers from sites you haven’t visited Content and ads will likely be less personalized Sites will work as expected Blocks known harmful trackers radio button checked two of three.

Tab about nine times to, Allow sites to check if you have payment methods saved, check box‑ checked.

Tab about ten times to, Microsoft Defender SmartScreen check box‑ checked.

Tab one time to, Block potentially unwanted apps check box‑ checked.

Looking At Appearance settings in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Down arrow to Appearance,Press Enter.

Tab two times to, My computer says, Default theme System default button menu.

Tab two more times to, Show home button check box‑ checked.

Tab one time to, New tab page radio button‑ not checked.

Tab two times to, Show favorites bar Only on new tabs button menu.

* Important, Tab one more time to, Show favorites button check box‑ checked.

Tab one more time to, Show Collections button check box‑ checked.

Tab one more time to, Show feedback button check box‑ not checked.

Tab one more time to, Show share button check box‑ not checked.

Tab again to, Font size Medium (Recommended) button menu.

Tab again to, Customize fonts.

The Show favorites Checkbox is important to make sure that it is checked, or your favorites bar will not show up in the Address bar tab.

*For example,on my computer if I want to get to my favorites quickly, I do the following:

Press ALT+d, this takes you to the Address bar, Tab two times to favorites, Press Down arrow to look at your favorites.

Some items to look at under Profile in the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Now press Enter you are already on Profile.

Now Tab two times to Add profile Button.

Tab three times to Manage account Button.

* Pressing the Spacebar here takes me to my Microsoft account.

Tab one time to Sync Button.

*tip, If you have a Microsoft account, Sync needs to be turned on.

Tab one time to Passwords Button.

Tab one time to Payment info Button.

*tip, This shows me my credit card info, You can add other payment methods here.

Tab one time to Addresses and more Button.

*tip, you can add addresses here for Edge to remember for you.

Tab one more time to Import browser data Button.

*tip, For some reason if all your browser info does not carry over correctly, you can import it again here I think.

You are now done in the privacy settings of Edge.

How to move around in the new Edge browser with Jaws.

OK, what good is it to give out directions if you don't know how to get around in the new Edge with Jaws?

OK, let me take a better try at explaining how to get around the new Edge with Jaws!

I start out with some new directions to more easily get around the new Edge with Jaws, then some reminders on getting around Edge with Jaws.

From your homepage, you can do the following things in Edge .

*Press the F6 key to cycle through elements, wich are also called
panes:

When you press f6, you will hear.

The tab bar

Address and search bar

Favorites bar (if available)

Webpage content

Downloads bar (if available)

notifications, if available.

* For example I really like the following way of getting around in the new Edge with Jaws.

**After Pressing F6 one time, from any page in Edge you will land on The tab bar.

From the Tab bar, you can Press eather Right or left arrow keys to look at all your open Tabs.

** For example, After Pressing F6 on my computer, I will hear:

Tab bar Tool bar, MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos Tab‑ selected,1 of 3.

when I Press the right arrow key I hear, Close tab Button.

when I Press the right arrow key again I hear, windows10AndJaws@groups.io Home Tab 2 of 3.

‑when I Press the right arrow key again I hear, Close tab Button.

‑when I Press the right arrow key again I hear, NFB-NEWSLINE® Online Publication List Tab 3 of 3.

when I Press the right arrow key again I hear, Close tab Button.

when I Press the right arrow key again I hear,New Tab Button.

** This is the easiest and fastest way to change from one open Tab to another Tab, by just Pressing the Spacebar on any tab as you Right arrow across the Tab bar Tool bar.

** when you go across the Tab bar Tool bar, you can also close any open Tabs by Pressing the Spacebar on the close Tab button.

Pressing F6 again from the tab bar tool bar, you will hear Address and search bar Edit.

Pressing F6 again a third time will take you back to the original page you were on when you Pressed F6 the first time.

** Remember in my case you can also Press Control+Tab, to look at your other two open tabs.

I can also Press ALT+d, and Tab two times to my favorites folder, and I can arrow down through my favorits folder.

** Remember after Pressing ALT+d, you can also Tab across to other items besides Favorites.

I can also Press ALT+f, followed by the letter s, this will open the Edge settings.

I can also do an Internet search using either Bing or Google.

I can also look at my home page.

I can also play around in Edge using Jaws 2020 to learn how to use the Edge browser.

I can also go to,Accessibility with the new Microsoft Edge, the Link is below.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4538354/microsoft-edge-new-accessibility

About using Favorites in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

How do I add a folder to Favorites in Edge.

Press Control+Shift+O,Press Escape to pop out of forms mode.

Press Control+Home, to go to the top of the page.

Press B for button two times ,you will hear

Add favorite Button.

Add folder Button.

Press Enter on Add folder Button.

Type the name for your new folder and Press Enter

**tip, I created anew folder called bible in the Favorites bar.

Now Press Control+f4 to close this tab.

Now I am going to show you how I manage Favorites in Edge!

Press ALT+D, and Tab two times, you will hear, Favorites button menu, Press the down arrow key to see your Favorites.

As you Press the Down arrow key, you will hear something like this on my computer.

Favorites button menu‑

menu Manage favorites 1 of 6Ctrl+Shift+O.

Remove duplicate favorites 2 of 6.

bible sub menu3 of 6.

Microsoft account Home4 of 6https:************.com.

My Account5 of 6 https:******office.com

Other favorites sub menu‑6 of 6.

So managing your Favorites will be done right here in the Favorites Bar of the Edge browser using Jaws.

**For example, saving The new Windows 10 and Jaws group to Favorites in Edge.

First of all, go to our group home page in the Edge browser.

Press Control+D,to open the name edit box for your new Favorite.

You will hear, The-new-Windows-10-and-Jaws-group@groups.io | Home.

I like this name, so now I will Tab one time to choose where I want to save this Favorite site in the Edge browser.

On my computer I can save it in three places.

1. I can save it right in the Favorites Bar area where my accounts are.

2. I can save it in the bible folder.

3. I can save it in the other folder.

Now remember the last saved location is remembered for you when you go to save another site.

I will choose the other folder to save our group home page, I have it come up already as a start tab inEdge.

So whhen I tabbed one time from the name edit box,Jaws said Other combo box,I left it on other Favorites.

I Tabbed again to a more button.

I Tabbed again to the done button, I Pressed Enter.

My new site was successfully added to Favorites in the Edge browser.

Do the same steps as above to add your favorite sites in Edge.

I moved all my bible sites into my bible folder.

Any sites that had long names, I saved them again with a shortened name, I deleted the sites with the long names.

Just highlight any site you wish to delete, Press the Applications key, go down to delete and Press enter.

So now my Favorites are finally organized in the new Edge browser!

Ok read below for more ways to use Favorites in the new Edge with Jaws.

How do I get to Favorites in the new Edge?

There are many ways to get to Favorites with Jaws in the new Edge.

Press ALT+f, press o forFavorits.

You will land on, Favorites sub menu.

Press down arrow to, Show favorites bar sub menu, Press right arrow.

You will hear, Favorites sub menu Always checked 1 of 3. .

*tip, Press enter to Check this item if it is not Checked.

This way when you Press ALT+D, and Tab two times, you will hear, Favorites button menu, Press down arrow to see your Favorites.

If you Press the letter O, you will quickly jump to your Other Favorites sub menu, just Press right arrow one time, first letter navigation works in this list of other Favorites.

you can also Press, Control+Shift+B, to Show or hide the Favorites bar.

You can also Press, Alt+Shift+B, to Set focus on the first item in the Favorites bar.

*To add a website to Favorites, Press Control+D.

Press Control+Shift+D, to Save all open Tabs as Favorites in a new folder.

Control+Shift+O, Open Favorites Management.

How to Use Immersive Reader in Microsoft Edge

When I want to simplify a page to read with Jaws I use the Immersive Reader if available.

I Press f9 to turn it on, I read the page, I press f9 again to turn it off.

This is easy to do and easy to use. Smiles…

How to use Read Aloud in the new Microsoft Edge.

with the new Edge You can read a website or an article using Read Aloud.

This is very easy to do, just Press, control+Shift+U to Start or stop Read Aloud!

How to add a page to, On startup in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

*tip,Press ALT+d, to select theAddress bar, PressControl+c to copy the address of the website you wish to add to, On startup.

Open the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Down arrow to, On startup, Press Enter.

Tab two times to a list of three radio buttons, , Down arrow to open a secific page or pages.

Tab one time to Add a page button Press Enter.

Now Paiste into the edit box, the URL of the website you want to open when Edge starts up.

Now Tab one time to the Add button, Press Enter, You should hear a notification telling you that your site has been added to the On start up page .

Press ALT+f4 to close Edge.

Now open Edge, Press Control+tab, until you hear your newly added site come up for you, you are done!

I currently have three websites that open with no issues when I start the new Edge.

How to install a website as an app in the Edge browser?

How to install a website as an app in the Edge browser?

I installed Freedom Scientific as an app on my computer.

I first went to the Freedom Scientific website.

I pressed the ALT key, now arrow down to,Apps sub menu,press the right arrow key to open.

Arrow down to Install this site as an app,press enter.

You land in an edit box, I left the name Freedom Scientific as the name for my new app, and backspaced the rest of the name out of the edit box.

Tab to OK, press enter, now I have aded Freedom Scientific as a new app on my computer.

Now go to all apps, find the Freedom Scientific app,highlight the app.

Press the applications key,arrow down to more sub menu, right arrow,down arrow toOpen File Location, press the Spacebar.

Press the Applications key again, arrow down to Send to submenu, right arrow, down arrow to create a desktop shortcut, Press enter.

You now have a new desktop icon called Freedom Scientific,you are done.

Press enter on your new icon to go directly to the Freedom Scientific web site.

You can do this with any site,have fun!


-------- Original Message --------
From: CJ &AA MAY [mailto:chrisalismay@gmail.com]
Subject: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2021, 9:38 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Thank you so much for sharing these, Mike. I confess that I am still stumbling around Edge and am not very knowledgeable about the tabs etc.
and many of the items in the list, mean nothing to me. I think that I should really try to find an Edge tutorial which is Jaws-related; is there such a thing, or a podcast or something?

Alison

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mike B
*Sent:* 15 May 2021 11:14
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Hi Steven,

These are the latest I have:


Ctrl + D

Save your current webpage as a favorite

Ctrl + E

Open a search query in the address bar

Ctrl + F

Find on page

Ctrl + G

Jump to the next match to your Find Bar search

Ctrl + H

Open History in a new tab (web UI)

Ctrl + J

Open Downloads in a new tab (web UI)

Ctrl + L

Select the URL in the address bar to edit

Ctrl + M

Mute current tab (toggle)

Ctrl + N

Open a new window

Ctrl + O

Open a file from your computer in Edge

Ctrl + P

Print the current page

Ctrl + R

Reload the current page

Ctrl + S

Save the current page

Ctrl + Shift + B

Show or hide the favorites bar

Ctrl + Shift + D

Save all open tabs as favorites in a new folder

Ctrl + Shift + G

Jump to the previous match to your Find Bar search

Ctrl + Shift + I

Open Developer Tools

Ctrl + Shift + L

Paste and search or Paste and go (if it's a URL)

Ctrl + Shift + M

Sign in as a different user or browse as a Guest

Ctrl + Shift + N

Open a new InPrivate window

Ctrl + Shift + O

Open Favorites management

Ctrl + Shift + P

Print using the system dialog

Ctrl + Shift + R

Reload the current page, ignoring cached content

Ctrl + Shift + T

Reopen the last closed tab, and switch to it

Ctrl + Shift + V

Paste without formatting

Ctrl + Shift + W

Close the current window

Ctrl + T

Open a new tab and switch to it

Ctrl + U

View source

Ctrl + W

Close the current tab

Ctrl + 0 (zero)

Reset zoom level

Ctrl + 1, 2, ... 8

Switch to a specific tab

Ctrl + 9

Switch to the last tab

Ctrl + Enter

Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address bar

Ctrl + Shift + Delete

Open clear browsing data options

Ctrl + Tab

Switch to the next tab

Ctrl + Shift + Tab

Switch to the previous tab

Ctrl + Plus (+)

Zoom in

Ctrl + Minus (-)

Zoom out

Ctrl + \ (in a PDF)

Toggle PDF between fit to page / fit to width

Ctrl + [ (in a PDF)

Rotate PDF counter-clockwise 90*

Ctrl + ] (in a PDF)

Rotate PDF clockwise 90*

Ctrl + PgDn

Switch to the next tab

Ctrl + PgUp

Switch to the previous tab

Alt

Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button

Alt + Shift + B

Set focus on the first item in the favorites bar

Alt + D

Select the URL in the address bar to edit

Alt + E

Open the Settings and more "..." menu

Alt + F

Open the Settings and more "..." menu

Alt + Shift + I

Open the Send feedback dialog

Alt + Shift + T

Set focus on the first item in the toolbar

Alt + Left arrow

Go back

Alt + Right arrow

Go forward

Alt + Home

Open your home page in the current tab

Alt + F4

Close the current window

F1

Open Help

F3

Find on page

F4

Select the URL in the address bar

Ctrl + F4

Close the current tab

F5

Reload the current page

Shift + F5

Reload the current page, ignoring cached content

F6

Switch focus to next pane

Shift + F6

Switch focus to previous pane

F7

Turn caret browsing on or off

F10

Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button

F10 + Enter

Open Setting and more "…" menu

Shift + F10

Open context menu

F11

Enter full screen (toggle)

F12

Open Developer Tools

Esc

Stop loading page; close dialog or pop-up

Spacebar

Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time

Shift + Spacebar

Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time

PgDn

Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time

PgUp

Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time

Home

Go to the top of the page, Move keyboard focus to first item of pane

End

Go to the bottom of the page, Move keyboard focus to last item of pane

Tab

Go to next tab stop

Shift + Tab

Go to previous tab stop

Stay safe and take care. Mike.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Steven Hicks <mailto:hickser@gmail.com>

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Sent:*Saturday, May 15, 2021 2:38 AM

*Subject:*Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Hi friends,

does anyone know the shortcut keys for Microsoft Edge please, I have pretty much completely moved to using it now.

I Know that ctrl+d adds a shortcut, how do you bring up the list of favorites and also back them up please?


moderated Re: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...>
 

Hi, is this MS  Narrator   braille  accessible?

 

eom

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

 

Hello all,

Thanks for the discussion about Narrator keyboard commands.

It inspired me to create an Excel Workbook of the Narrator commands that I already had in Word, for myself and on my web site.

I learned a lot about Excel over the last couple of days, and have tons more to learn.

But, for now, on my web site is a link to the excel workbook.

There is a couple of paragraphs before the link that I recommend reading before downloading the Workbook.

Thanks to all this, I now know how to create a hyperlink within a workbook to serve as a Table of contents of sorts.

The narrator stuff is in the heading I called “Windows Related Items”.

Windows Related Items is at heading level 1 and the information within that section is at heading level 2.

 

www.turner42.com

 

HTH,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 




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moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Maria Campbell
 

Those of us in the know realize that Brian is just being his same and usual arrogant and pompous and patronizing self.  The sad thing is that he is very helpful, despite himself.


Maria Campbell
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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 5/15/2021 8:43 PM, Roger Crome wrote:
Brian Vogel wrote

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.
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So,you are insulted that someone should challenge what you say because you come across in a way that perhaps you do not intend. How dare someone not understand what you are meaning rather than how you are coming across.

You are correct that you do not have to spend the amount of time you do providing quality feedback on the various lists, and many people appreciate what value you bring. However, that value does not give free reign to spout arrogance that devalues the efforts put forth by other listers. Because, let’s be frank here and admit that every person both sighted and without sight is at a different level of skill and at a different place in their journey of learning. You are just assuming that a person is posting a question because they haven’t tried themselves to search for said material. The fact is that you really don’t know where they are in regard to their journey through blindness, and you certainly do not know the personal perspective of challenges that aren’t as simple as you assume to overcome. You spend a lot of time as an expert and offering solutions, but that doesn’t give you the right to belittle and assume the amount of work someone puts into what they are trying to learn. I have had many situations in my time as a teacher of assistive technology that I have personally witnessed the level of struggle that someone deals with when attempting to navigate something that seems simple to me. It, however, would be wrong to assume that the person is simply not practicing or trying because the variance in skill sets and experience is why I have a job. By that token, lists like this exist for people to crowd source learn and gain support, and if they are belittled every time they voice a question, then the entire purpose of the list is devolved.

That being said, I want to make it clear that you can have no perspective from the blind user point of view as to what is easy. It is one thing to have a visual map to draw on and use yur knowledge to navigate rather than not have any perspective of the placement or breakdown of a web page and try to learn those basic groupings by trial and error. Brian, you are a valuable resource and are appreciated for the value you bring, but perhaps, you should consider the value you attempt to take away from others by using snarky comments that have absolutely no constructive value.

Just my opinion.
Roger
On May 15, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

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