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moderated Re: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...>
 

Hi, is this MS  Narrator   braille  accessible?

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:19 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

 

Hello all,

Thanks for the discussion about Narrator keyboard commands.

It inspired me to create an Excel Workbook of the Narrator commands that I already had in Word, for myself and on my web site.

I learned a lot about Excel over the last couple of days, and have tons more to learn.

But, for now, on my web site is a link to the excel workbook.

There is a couple of paragraphs before the link that I recommend reading before downloading the Workbook.

Thanks to all this, I now know how to create a hyperlink within a workbook to serve as a Table of contents of sorts.

The narrator stuff is in the heading I called “Windows Related Items”.

Windows Related Items is at heading level 1 and the information within that section is at heading level 2.

 

www.turner42.com

 

HTH,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 




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moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Maria Campbell
 

Those of us in the know realize that Brian is just being his same and usual arrogant and pompous and patronizing self.  The sad thing is that he is very helpful, despite himself.


Maria Campbell
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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 5/15/2021 8:43 PM, Roger Crome wrote:
Brian Vogel wrote

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.
—-
So,you are insulted that someone should challenge what you say because you come across in a way that perhaps you do not intend. How dare someone not understand what you are meaning rather than how you are coming across.

You are correct that you do not have to spend the amount of time you do providing quality feedback on the various lists, and many people appreciate what value you bring. However, that value does not give free reign to spout arrogance that devalues the efforts put forth by other listers. Because, let’s be frank here and admit that every person both sighted and without sight is at a different level of skill and at a different place in their journey of learning. You are just assuming that a person is posting a question because they haven’t tried themselves to search for said material. The fact is that you really don’t know where they are in regard to their journey through blindness, and you certainly do not know the personal perspective of challenges that aren’t as simple as you assume to overcome. You spend a lot of time as an expert and offering solutions, but that doesn’t give you the right to belittle and assume the amount of work someone puts into what they are trying to learn. I have had many situations in my time as a teacher of assistive technology that I have personally witnessed the level of struggle that someone deals with when attempting to navigate something that seems simple to me. It, however, would be wrong to assume that the person is simply not practicing or trying because the variance in skill sets and experience is why I have a job. By that token, lists like this exist for people to crowd source learn and gain support, and if they are belittled every time they voice a question, then the entire purpose of the list is devolved.

That being said, I want to make it clear that you can have no perspective from the blind user point of view as to what is easy. It is one thing to have a visual map to draw on and use yur knowledge to navigate rather than not have any perspective of the placement or breakdown of a web page and try to learn those basic groupings by trial and error. Brian, you are a valuable resource and are appreciated for the value you bring, but perhaps, you should consider the value you attempt to take away from others by using snarky comments that have absolutely no constructive value.

Just my opinion.
Roger
On May 15, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.


moderated Re: Jaws 2021 and outlook 2019

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Don, 

This topic was discussed in the German JAWS list as well. It seems to be a problem in combination with a Windows Update. Not all user have this problem and one user said she types the tab key to get into the list and this works for her. 

Best wishes
Udo 

Am 16.05.2021 um 17:08 schrieb Don Risavy, Jr. <djrisavyjr@...>:

Hello,
I’ve noticed lately that when typing an email address into the to field or even the cc or bcc fields that jaws 2021 is no longer announcing the email address typing in especially those that are stored in the list of email addresses from within outlook.
So wondered how would I enable this or allow this to happen using the latest version of jaws 2021?
Thanks.
Don
 
 
 


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Mario
 

Allison and anyone else, if I'm not wrong, here is the last tutorial that Jim Flusche made last year due to failing health issues. Hope it helps:

Some items to look at under Privacy and services in the New Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

This is how I have the following items set on my computer in Edge.

Open the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

down arrow to,Privacy and services,Press enter.

Tab a few times to, Tracking prevention check box checked.

Tab one time to, Balanced (Recommended) Blocks trackers from sites you haven’t visited Content and ads will likely be less personalized Sites will work
as expected Blocks known harmful trackers radio button checked two of three.

Tab about nine times to, Allow sites to check if you have payment methods saved, check box‑ checked.

Tab about ten times to, Microsoft Defender SmartScreen check box‑ checked.

Tab one time to, Block potentially unwanted apps check box‑ checked.

Looking At Appearance settings in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Down arrow to Appearance,Press Enter.

Tab two times to, My computer says, Default theme System default button menu.

Tab two more times to, Show home button check box‑ checked.

Tab one time to, New tab page radio button‑ not checked.

Tab two times to, Show favorites bar Only on new tabs button menu.

* Important, Tab one more  time to, Show favorites button check box‑ checked.

Tab one more time to, Show Collections button check box‑ checked.

Tab one more time to, Show feedback button check box‑ not checked.

Tab one more time to, Show share button check box‑ not checked.

Tab again to, Font size Medium (Recommended) button menu.

Tab again to, Customize fonts.

The Show favorites Checkbox is important to make sure that it is checked, or your favorites bar will not show up in the Address bar tab.

*For example,on my computer if I want to get to my favorites quickly, I do the following:

Press ALT+d, this  takes you to the Address bar, Tab two times to favorites, Press Down arrow to look at your favorites.

Some items to look at under Profile in the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Now press Enter you are already on Profile.

Now Tab two times to Add profile Button.

Tab three times to Manage account Button.

* Pressing the Spacebar here takes me to my Microsoft account.

Tab one time to Sync Button.

*tip, If you have a Microsoft account, Sync needs to be turned on.

Tab one time to Passwords Button.

Tab one time to Payment info Button.

*tip, This shows me my credit card info, You can add other payment methods here.

Tab one time to Addresses and more Button.

*tip, you can add addresses here for Edge to remember for you.

Tab one more time to Import browser data Button.

*tip, For some reason if all your browser info does not carry over correctly, you can import it again here  I think.

You are now done in the privacy settings of Edge.

How to move around in the new Edge browser with Jaws.

OK, what good is it to give out directions if you don't know how to get around in the new Edge with Jaws?

OK, let me take a better try at explaining how to get around the new Edge with Jaws!

I start out with some new directions to more easily  get around the new Edge with Jaws, then some reminders on getting around Edge with  Jaws.

From your homepage, you can do the following things in Edge .

*Press the F6 key to cycle through elements, wich are    also   called panes:

When you press f6, you will hear.

The tab bar

Address and search bar

Favorites bar (if available)

Webpage content

Downloads bar (if available)

notifications, if available.

* For example I really like the following way of getting around in the new Edge with Jaws.

**After Pressing F6 one time, from any page in Edge you will land on The tab bar.

From the Tab bar, you can Press eather Right or left arrow keys to look at all your open Tabs.

** For example, After Pressing F6 on my computer, I will hear:

Tab bar Tool bar, MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos Tab‑ selected,1 of 3.

when I Press the right arrow key I hear, Close tab Button.

when I Press the right arrow key again  I hear, windows10AndJaws@groups.io Home Tab 2 of 3.

‑when I Press the right arrow key again  I hear, Close tab Button.

‑when I Press the right arrow key again I hear, NFB-NEWSLINE® Online Publication List Tab 3 of 3.

when I Press the right arrow key again  I hear, Close tab Button.

when I Press the right arrow key again I hear,New Tab Button.

** This is the easiest and fastest way to change from one open Tab to another   Tab,  by just Pressing the Spacebar on any tab as you Right arrow across
the Tab bar Tool bar.

** when you go across the Tab bar Tool bar, you can also close any open Tabs by Pressing the Spacebar on the close Tab button.

Pressing F6 again from the tab bar tool bar, you will hear Address and search bar Edit.

Pressing F6 again a third time will take you back to the original page you were on when you Pressed F6 the first time.

** Remember in my case  you can also  Press Control+Tab, to look at your   other two open tabs.

I can also  Press ALT+d, and Tab two times to my favorites folder, and I can arrow down through my favorits  folder.

** Remember after Pressing  ALT+d, you can also Tab across to other items besides Favorites.

I can also Press ALT+f, followed by the letter s, this will open the Edge settings.

I can also do an Internet search using either Bing or Google.

I can also look at my home page.

I can also play around in Edge using Jaws 2020 to learn how to use the Edge browser.

I can also go to,Accessibility with the new Microsoft Edge, the Link is below.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4538354/microsoft-edge-new-accessibility

About using Favorites in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

How do I  add a folder to Favorites in Edge.

Press Control+Shift+O,Press Escape to pop out of forms mode.

Press Control+Home, to go to the top of the page.

Press B for button two times  ,you will hear

Add favorite Button.

Add folder Button.

Press Enter on Add folder Button.

Type the name for your new folder and Press Enter

**tip, I created anew folder called bible in the Favorites bar.

Now Press Control+f4 to close this tab.

Now I am going to show you how I manage Favorites in Edge!

Press ALT+D, and Tab two times, you will hear, Favorites button menu, Press the down arrow key to see your Favorites.

As you Press the Down arrow key, you will hear something like this on my computer.

Favorites button menu‑

menu Manage favorites 1 of 6Ctrl+Shift+O.

Remove duplicate favorites 2 of 6.

bible sub menu3 of 6.

Microsoft account Home4 of 6https:************.com.

My Account5 of 6 https:******office.com

Other favorites sub menu‑6 of 6.

So managing your Favorites will be done right here in the Favorites Bar of the   Edge browser  using Jaws.

**For example, saving The new Windows 10 and Jaws group to Favorites in Edge.

First of all, go to our group home page in the Edge browser.

Press Control+D,to open the name  edit box for your new Favorite.

You will hear, The-new-Windows-10-and-Jaws-group@groups.io | Home.

I like this name, so now I will Tab one time to choose where I want to save this Favorite site in the Edge browser.

On my computer I can  save it in three places.

1. I can save it right in the  Favorites Bar area where my accounts are.

2. I can save it in the bible folder.

3. I can save it in the  other folder.

   Now remember the last saved location is remembered for you when you go to save another site.

I will choose the other folder  to save our group home page, I have it come up already as a start tab inEdge.

So whhen I tabbed one time from the name edit box,Jaws said Other combo box,I left it on other Favorites.

I Tabbed again to a more button.

I Tabbed again  to the  done button, I Pressed Enter.

My new site was successfully added to Favorites in the Edge browser.

Do the same steps  as above to add your favorite sites in Edge.

I moved all my bible sites into my bible folder.

Any sites that had long names, I saved them again with a shortened name, I deleted the sites with the long names.

   Just highlight any site you wish to delete, Press the Applications key, go down to delete and Press enter.

So now my Favorites are finally  organized in the new   Edge browser!

Ok read below for more ways to use Favorites in the new Edge with Jaws.

How do I get to Favorites in the new Edge?

There are many ways to get to Favorites with Jaws in the new Edge.

Press ALT+f, press o  forFavorits.

You will land on, Favorites sub menu.

Press down arrow to, Show favorites bar sub menu, Press right arrow.

You will hear, Favorites sub menu Always checked 1 of 3.  .

*tip, Press enter to Check this item if it is not Checked.

This way when you Press ALT+D, and Tab two times, you will hear, Favorites button menu, Press down arrow to see your Favorites.

If you Press the letter O, you will quickly jump to your Other Favorites sub menu, just Press right arrow one time, first letter navigation works in this
list of other Favorites.

you can also Press, Control+Shift+B, to Show or hide the Favorites bar.

You can also Press, Alt+Shift+B, to Set focus on the first item in the Favorites bar.

*To add a website to Favorites, Press Control+D.

Press Control+Shift+D, to Save all open Tabs as Favorites in a new folder.

Control+Shift+O, Open Favorites Management.

  How to Use Immersive Reader in Microsoft Edge

When  I want to simplify a page to read with Jaws I use the Immersive Reader if available.

I Press f9 to turn it on, I read the page, I press f9 again to turn it off.

This is easy to do and easy to use. Smiles…

How to use Read Aloud in the new Microsoft Edge.

with the new Edge You can read a website or an article using Read Aloud.

This is very easy to do, just Press, control+Shift+U to Start or stop Read Aloud!

How to add a page to, On startup in the new Edge.

*My Jaws is set to auto forms mode.

*tip,Press ALT+d, to select theAddress bar, PressControl+c to copy the address of the website you wish to add to,  On startup.

Open the New Edge.

Press ALT+f, press s for settings.

Press numpad plus to pop out of the edit box,tab one time.

Down arrow to, On startup, Press Enter.

Tab two times to a list of three radio buttons,  , Down arrow to open a secific page or pages.

Tab one time to Add a page button Press Enter.

Now Paiste into the edit box, the URL of the website you want to open when Edge starts up.

Now Tab one time to the Add button, Press Enter, You should hear a notification telling you that your site has been added to the On start up page .

Press ALT+f4 to close Edge.

Now open Edge, Press Control+tab, until you hear your newly added site come up for you, you are done!

I currently have three websites that open with no issues when I start the new Edge.

How to install a website as an app in the Edge browser?

How to install a website as an app in the Edge browser?

I installed Freedom Scientific as an app on my computer.

I first went to the  Freedom Scientific website.

I pressed the ALT key, now arrow down  to,Apps sub menu,press the right arrow key to open.

Arrow down to Install this site as an app,press enter.

You land in an edit box, I left the name Freedom Scientific as the name for my new   app, and backspaced the rest of the name out of the edit box.

Tab to OK, press enter, now I have aded Freedom Scientific as a new app on my computer.

             Now go to all apps, find the Freedom Scientific app,highlight the app.

Press the applications key,arrow down to more sub menu, right arrow,down arrow toOpen File Location, press the Spacebar.

Press the Applications key again, arrow down to Send to submenu, right arrow, down arrow to create a desktop shortcut, Press enter.

You now have a new desktop icon called Freedom Scientific,you are done.

Press enter on your new icon to go directly to the Freedom Scientific web site.

You can do this with any site,have fun!

-------- Original Message --------
From: CJ &AA MAY [mailto:chrisalismay@gmail.com]
Subject: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2021, 9:38 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Thank you so much for sharing these, Mike. I confess that I am still
stumbling around Edge and am not very knowledgeable about the tabs etc.
and many of the items in the list, mean nothing to me. I think that I
should really try to find an Edge tutorial which is Jaws-related; is
there such a thing, or a podcast or something?

Alison

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mike B
*Sent:* 15 May 2021 11:14
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Hi Steven,

These are the latest I have:


Ctrl + D

Save your current webpage as a favorite

Ctrl + E

Open a search query in the address bar

Ctrl + F

Find on page

Ctrl + G

Jump to the next match to your Find Bar search

Ctrl + H

Open History in a new tab (web UI)

Ctrl + J

Open Downloads in a new tab (web UI)

Ctrl + L

Select the URL in the address bar to edit

Ctrl + M

Mute current tab (toggle)

Ctrl + N

Open a new window

Ctrl + O

Open a file from your computer in Edge

Ctrl + P

Print the current page

Ctrl + R

Reload the current page

Ctrl + S

Save the current page

Ctrl + Shift + B

Show or hide the favorites bar

Ctrl + Shift + D

Save all open tabs as favorites in a new folder

Ctrl + Shift + G

Jump to the previous match to your Find Bar search

Ctrl + Shift + I

Open Developer Tools

Ctrl + Shift + L

Paste and search or Paste and go (if it's a URL)

Ctrl + Shift + M

Sign in as a different user or browse as a Guest

Ctrl + Shift + N

Open a new InPrivate window

Ctrl + Shift + O

Open Favorites management

Ctrl + Shift + P

Print using the system dialog

Ctrl + Shift + R

Reload the current page, ignoring cached content

Ctrl + Shift + T

Reopen the last closed tab, and switch to it

Ctrl + Shift + V

Paste without formatting

Ctrl + Shift + W

Close the current window

Ctrl + T

Open a new tab and switch to it

Ctrl + U

View source

Ctrl + W

Close the current tab

Ctrl + 0 (zero)

Reset zoom level

Ctrl + 1, 2, ... 8

Switch to a specific tab

Ctrl + 9

Switch to the last tab

Ctrl + Enter

Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the
address bar

Ctrl + Shift + Delete

Open clear browsing data options

Ctrl + Tab

Switch to the next tab

Ctrl + Shift + Tab

Switch to the previous tab

Ctrl + Plus (+)

Zoom in

Ctrl + Minus (-)

Zoom out

Ctrl + \ (in a PDF)

Toggle PDF between fit to page / fit to width

Ctrl + [ (in a PDF)

Rotate PDF counter-clockwise 90*

Ctrl + ] (in a PDF)

Rotate PDF clockwise 90*

Ctrl + PgDn

Switch to the next tab

Ctrl + PgUp

Switch to the previous tab

Alt

Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button

Alt + Shift + B

Set focus on the first item in the favorites bar

Alt + D

Select the URL in the address bar to edit

Alt + E

Open the Settings and more "..." menu

Alt + F

Open the Settings and more "..." menu

Alt + Shift + I

Open the Send feedback dialog

Alt + Shift + T

Set focus on the first item in the toolbar

Alt + Left arrow

Go back

Alt + Right arrow

Go forward

Alt + Home

Open your home page in the current tab

Alt + F4

Close the current window

F1

Open Help

F3

Find on page

F4

Select the URL in the address bar

Ctrl + F4

Close the current tab

F5

Reload the current page

Shift + F5

Reload the current page, ignoring cached content

F6

Switch focus to next pane

Shift + F6

Switch focus to previous pane

F7

Turn caret browsing on or off

F10

Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button

F10 + Enter

Open Setting and more "…" menu

Shift + F10

Open context menu

F11

Enter full screen (toggle)

F12

Open Developer Tools

Esc

Stop loading page; close dialog or pop-up

Spacebar

Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time

Shift + Spacebar

Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time

PgDn

Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time

PgUp

Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time

Home

Go to the top of the page, Move keyboard focus to first item of pane

End

Go to the bottom of the page, Move keyboard focus to last item of pane

Tab

Go to next tab stop

Shift + Tab

Go to previous tab stop

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Steven Hicks <mailto:hickser@gmail.com>

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Sent:*Saturday, May 15, 2021 2:38 AM

*Subject:*Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Hi friends,

does anyone know the shortcut keys for Microsoft Edge please, I have
pretty much completely moved to using it now.

I Know that ctrl+d adds a shortcut, how do you bring up the list of
favorites and also back them up please?


moderated Jaws 2021 and outlook 2019

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Hello,

I’ve noticed lately that when typing an email address into the to field or even the cc or bcc fields that jaws 2021 is no longer announcing the email address typing in especially those that are stored in the list of email addresses from within outlook.

So wondered how would I enable this or allow this to happen using the latest version of jaws 2021?

Thanks.

Don

 

 

 


moderated Re: JAWS And Microsoft Office 365 Spellings

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Steven, 

The sound JAWS is playing indicates that Word already has changed a word. If you are not a fast writer you can press Control+Z immediately after hearing that sound so Word will undo the last change. But if you are a quick writer you surely have written some chars or words. If you have written some chars Control+Z will undo your last written text not the autocorrect entry. 

The problem here is: JAWS uses UIA, Microsofts Accessibility Framework, to get informed if a change took place. UIA stores the word being changed in a variable. JAWS theoretical could speak the word and inform you about it but most of the writers are so fast that the next keystroke would stop JAWS from speaking this. 

If this is very important to you to know what word has changed one could write a JAWS script to store the changes in a variable. By pressing a key assigned to the script JAWS could speak the stored variable. 

All the best
Udo 


Am 16.05.2021 um 16:28 schrieb Steven Hicks <hickser@...>:

Hi friends,
 
Can anyone just confirm how this works please, when I am typing and I make an error, there is a sound to indicate it, if there is an auto correct option how would I review that and accept it if it is the one I would like please?
 


moderated Re: JAWS And Microsoft Office 365 Spellings

Richard Turner
 

If you put focus on the word, press shift+f10 or your applications key, and arrow up, Jaws may give you some spelling options.  If the word is too far off, then you would just have to try another spelling to get close enough to get suggestions.

If it shows the word you want, hit enter on it and it should replace the word in your document.

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS And Microsoft Office 365 Spellings

 

Hi friends,

 

Can anyone just confirm how this works please, when I am typing and I make an error, there is a sound to indicate it, if there is an auto correct option how would I review that and accept it if it is the one I would like please?

 


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Justin Williams
 

Much appreciated for sharing the key commands, mike.

 

Very helpful.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 9:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Thank you so much for sharing these, Mike. I confess that I am still stumbling around Edge and am not very knowledgeable about the tabs etc. and many of the items in the list, mean nothing to me. I think that I should really try to find an Edge tutorial which is Jaws-related; is there such a thing, or a podcast or something?

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 15 May 2021 11:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Hi Steven,

 

These are the latest I have:

 

 
Ctrl + D
 
Save your current webpage as a favorite
 
Ctrl + E
 
Open a search query in the address bar
 
Ctrl + F
 
Find on page
 
Ctrl + G
 
Jump to the next match to your Find Bar search
 
Ctrl + H
 
Open History in a new tab (web UI)
 
Ctrl + J
 
Open Downloads in a new tab (web UI)
 
Ctrl + L
 
Select the URL in the address bar to edit
 
Ctrl + M
 
Mute current tab (toggle)
 
Ctrl + N
 
Open a new window
 
Ctrl + O
 
Open a file from your computer in Edge
 
Ctrl + P
 
Print the current page
 
Ctrl + R
 
Reload the current page
 
Ctrl + S
 
Save the current page
 
Ctrl + Shift + B
 
Show or hide the favorites bar
 
Ctrl + Shift + D
 
Save all open tabs as favorites in a new folder
 
Ctrl + Shift + G
 
Jump to the previous match to your Find Bar search
 
Ctrl + Shift + I
 
Open Developer Tools
 
Ctrl + Shift + L
 
Paste and search or Paste and go (if it's a URL)
 
Ctrl + Shift + M
 
Sign in as a different user or browse as a Guest
 
Ctrl + Shift + N
 
Open a new InPrivate window
 
Ctrl + Shift + O
 
Open Favorites management
 
Ctrl + Shift + P
 
Print using the system dialog
 
Ctrl + Shift + R
 
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content
 
Ctrl + Shift + T
 
Reopen the last closed tab, and switch to it
 
Ctrl + Shift + V
 
Paste without formatting
 
Ctrl + Shift + W
 
Close the current window
 
Ctrl + T
 
Open a new tab and switch to it
 
Ctrl + U
 
View source
 
Ctrl + W
 
Close the current tab
 
Ctrl + 0 (zero)
 
Reset zoom level
 
Ctrl + 1, 2, ... 8
 
Switch to a specific tab
 
Ctrl + 9
 
Switch to the last tab
 
Ctrl + Enter
 
Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address bar
 
Ctrl + Shift + Delete
 
Open clear browsing data options
 
Ctrl + Tab
 
Switch to the next tab
 
Ctrl + Shift + Tab
 
Switch to the previous tab
 
Ctrl + Plus (+)
 
Zoom in
 
Ctrl + Minus (-)
 
Zoom out
 
Ctrl + \ (in a PDF)
 
Toggle PDF between fit to page / fit to width
 
Ctrl + [ (in a PDF)
 
Rotate PDF counter-clockwise 90*
 
Ctrl + ] (in a PDF)
 
Rotate PDF clockwise 90*
 
Ctrl + PgDn
 
Switch to the next tab
 
Ctrl + PgUp
 
Switch to the previous tab
 
Alt
 
Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button
 
Alt + Shift + B
 
Set focus on the first item in the favorites bar
 
Alt + D
 
Select the URL in the address bar to edit
 
Alt + E
 
Open the Settings and more "..." menu
 
Alt + F
 
Open the Settings and more "..." menu
 
Alt + Shift + I
 
Open the Send feedback dialog
 
Alt + Shift + T
 
Set focus on the first item in the toolbar
 
Alt + Left arrow
 
Go back
 
Alt + Right arrow
 
Go forward
 
Alt + Home
 
Open your home page in the current tab
 
Alt + F4
 
Close the current window
 
F1
 
Open Help
 
F3
 
Find on page
 
F4
 
Select the URL in the address bar
 
Ctrl + F4
 
Close the current tab
 
F5
 
Reload the current page
 
Shift + F5
 
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content
 
F6
 
Switch focus to next pane
 
Shift + F6
 
Switch focus to previous pane
 
F7
 
Turn caret browsing on or off
 
F10
 
Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button
 
F10 + Enter
 
Open Setting and more "…" menu
 
Shift + F10
 
Open context menu
 
F11
 
Enter full screen (toggle)
 
F12
 
Open Developer Tools
 
Esc
 
Stop loading page; close dialog or pop-up
 
Spacebar
 
Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time
 
Shift + Spacebar
 
Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time
 
PgDn
 
Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time
 
PgUp
 
Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time
 
Home
 
Go to the top of the page, Move keyboard focus to first item of pane
 
End
 
Go to the bottom of the page, Move keyboard focus to last item of pane
 
Tab
 
Go to next tab stop
 
Shift + Tab
 
Go to previous tab stop
 
 

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 2:38 AM

Subject: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Hi friends,

 

does anyone know the shortcut keys for Microsoft Edge please, I have pretty much completely moved to using it now.

I Know that ctrl+d adds a shortcut, how do you bring up the list of favorites and also back them up please?

 


moderated JAWS And Microsoft Office 365 Spellings

Steven Hicks
 

Hi friends,

 

Can anyone just confirm how this works please, when I am typing and I make an error, there is a sound to indicate it, if there is an auto correct option how would I review that and accept it if it is the one I would like please?

 


moderated Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

Richard Turner
 

Hello all,

Thanks for the discussion about Narrator keyboard commands.

It inspired me to create an Excel Workbook of the Narrator commands that I already had in Word, for myself and on my web site.

I learned a lot about Excel over the last couple of days, and have tons more to learn.

But, for now, on my web site is a link to the excel workbook.

There is a couple of paragraphs before the link that I recommend reading before downloading the Workbook.

Thanks to all this, I now know how to create a hyperlink within a workbook to serve as a Table of contents of sorts.

The narrator stuff is in the heading I called “Windows Related Items”.

Windows Related Items is at heading level 1 and the information within that section is at heading level 2.

 

www.turner42.com

 

HTH,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

CJ &AA MAY
 

Thank you so much for sharing these, Mike. I confess that I am still stumbling around Edge and am not very knowledgeable about the tabs etc. and many of the items in the list, mean nothing to me. I think that I should really try to find an Edge tutorial which is Jaws-related; is there such a thing, or a podcast or something?

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 15 May 2021 11:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Hi Steven,

 

These are the latest I have:

 

 
Ctrl + D
 
Save your current webpage as a favorite
 
Ctrl + E
 
Open a search query in the address bar
 
Ctrl + F
 
Find on page
 
Ctrl + G
 
Jump to the next match to your Find Bar search
 
Ctrl + H
 
Open History in a new tab (web UI)
 
Ctrl + J
 
Open Downloads in a new tab (web UI)
 
Ctrl + L
 
Select the URL in the address bar to edit
 
Ctrl + M
 
Mute current tab (toggle)
 
Ctrl + N
 
Open a new window
 
Ctrl + O
 
Open a file from your computer in Edge
 
Ctrl + P
 
Print the current page
 
Ctrl + R
 
Reload the current page
 
Ctrl + S
 
Save the current page
 
Ctrl + Shift + B
 
Show or hide the favorites bar
 
Ctrl + Shift + D
 
Save all open tabs as favorites in a new folder
 
Ctrl + Shift + G
 
Jump to the previous match to your Find Bar search
 
Ctrl + Shift + I
 
Open Developer Tools
 
Ctrl + Shift + L
 
Paste and search or Paste and go (if it's a URL)
 
Ctrl + Shift + M
 
Sign in as a different user or browse as a Guest
 
Ctrl + Shift + N
 
Open a new InPrivate window
 
Ctrl + Shift + O
 
Open Favorites management
 
Ctrl + Shift + P
 
Print using the system dialog
 
Ctrl + Shift + R
 
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content
 
Ctrl + Shift + T
 
Reopen the last closed tab, and switch to it
 
Ctrl + Shift + V
 
Paste without formatting
 
Ctrl + Shift + W
 
Close the current window
 
Ctrl + T
 
Open a new tab and switch to it
 
Ctrl + U
 
View source
 
Ctrl + W
 
Close the current tab
 
Ctrl + 0 (zero)
 
Reset zoom level
 
Ctrl + 1, 2, ... 8
 
Switch to a specific tab
 
Ctrl + 9
 
Switch to the last tab
 
Ctrl + Enter
 
Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address bar
 
Ctrl + Shift + Delete
 
Open clear browsing data options
 
Ctrl + Tab
 
Switch to the next tab
 
Ctrl + Shift + Tab
 
Switch to the previous tab
 
Ctrl + Plus (+)
 
Zoom in
 
Ctrl + Minus (-)
 
Zoom out
 
Ctrl + \ (in a PDF)
 
Toggle PDF between fit to page / fit to width
 
Ctrl + [ (in a PDF)
 
Rotate PDF counter-clockwise 90*
 
Ctrl + ] (in a PDF)
 
Rotate PDF clockwise 90*
 
Ctrl + PgDn
 
Switch to the next tab
 
Ctrl + PgUp
 
Switch to the previous tab
 
Alt
 
Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button
 
Alt + Shift + B
 
Set focus on the first item in the favorites bar
 
Alt + D
 
Select the URL in the address bar to edit
 
Alt + E
 
Open the Settings and more "..." menu
 
Alt + F
 
Open the Settings and more "..." menu
 
Alt + Shift + I
 
Open the Send feedback dialog
 
Alt + Shift + T
 
Set focus on the first item in the toolbar
 
Alt + Left arrow
 
Go back
 
Alt + Right arrow
 
Go forward
 
Alt + Home
 
Open your home page in the current tab
 
Alt + F4
 
Close the current window
 
F1
 
Open Help
 
F3
 
Find on page
 
F4
 
Select the URL in the address bar
 
Ctrl + F4
 
Close the current tab
 
F5
 
Reload the current page
 
Shift + F5
 
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content
 
F6
 
Switch focus to next pane
 
Shift + F6
 
Switch focus to previous pane
 
F7
 
Turn caret browsing on or off
 
F10
 
Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button
 
F10 + Enter
 
Open Setting and more "…" menu
 
Shift + F10
 
Open context menu
 
F11
 
Enter full screen (toggle)
 
F12
 
Open Developer Tools
 
Esc
 
Stop loading page; close dialog or pop-up
 
Spacebar
 
Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time
 
Shift + Spacebar
 
Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time
 
PgDn
 
Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time
 
PgUp
 
Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time
 
Home
 
Go to the top of the page, Move keyboard focus to first item of pane
 
End
 
Go to the bottom of the page, Move keyboard focus to last item of pane
 
Tab
 
Go to next tab stop
 
Shift + Tab
 
Go to previous tab stop
 
 

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 2:38 AM

Subject: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Hi friends,

 

does anyone know the shortcut keys for Microsoft Edge please, I have pretty much completely moved to using it now.

I Know that ctrl+d adds a shortcut, how do you bring up the list of favorites and also back them up please?

 


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Steven Hicks
 

Point taken Brian.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 15 May 2021 17:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I enjoy putting such information into a more user friendly document and making it available so everyone isn’t having to reinvent the wheel.

-
Richard,

         Just FYI, the criticism is about the endless repetition of questions that have been asked untold numbers of times in this group, already, as well as having the answers readily available "straight from the horse's mouth" after doing a 2-second web search.

          Your formatting these things into a more easily screen-reader-user friendly format is a kindness, and not subject to any criticism from me.

          I still decry the fact that on almost every blind-tech related group I frequent that it's considered A-OK by far too many to treat them as their own personal Q&A group for commonly available information.  Messages, including this one, on this group, will land in over one thousand inboxes.  It's actually rude and lazy to ask for any Microsoft Keyboard Shortcuts list by bugging over a thousand people for something one can, and should, locate independently in less time than it takes to send a message.

           And I'll get plenty of private messages after this one either agreeing wholeheartedly with me, or calling me "mean" for speaking the plain truth.  I wish those who send me the former would speak up in public, and the latter I ignore.  We're all adults here, and the basic rules of netiquette apply to all of us, and a huge one of those when it comes to a mailing list is not asking "simple questions" that you (the generic you) absolutely know have been answered literally thousands of times on thousands of venues and where finding those answers independently is dirt simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: tax filing

Justin Williams
 

Does credit carma work?

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tax filing

Foor U.S. taxpayers I have found taxact to be quite good, at least if you
want a desktop app. I have not tried their online system.

On Fri, 14 May 2021 18:24:55 -0400,
James Homuth wrote:

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Are you in the US or Canada, or somewhere else? That will make a
difference.
I do know Turbotax works both in the US and Canada and is accessible.
I use these guys every year without issue.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan
Hernandez
Sent: May 14, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: tax filing



HI All,



I want to do my taxes myself. What accessible online tools that can
guide me on doing my taxes are out there? I have simple tax needs
right now so I thought I'd do them myself instead of paying someone.



Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Best,



Juan










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--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Roger Crome <r_crome1@...>
 

Brian Vogel wrote

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.
—-
So,you are insulted that someone should challenge what you say because you come across in a way that perhaps you do not intend. How dare someone not understand what you are meaning rather than how you are coming across.

You are correct that you do not have to spend the amount of time you do providing quality feedback on the various lists, and many people appreciate what value you bring. However, that value does not give free reign to spout arrogance that devalues the efforts put forth by other listers. Because, let’s be frank here and admit that every person both sighted and without sight is at a different level of skill and at a different place in their journey of learning. You are just assuming that a person is posting a question because they haven’t tried themselves to search for said material. The fact is that you really don’t know where they are in regard to their journey through blindness, and you certainly do not know the personal perspective of challenges that aren’t as simple as you assume to overcome. You spend a lot of time as an expert and offering solutions, but that doesn’t give you the right to belittle and assume the amount of work someone puts into what they are trying to learn. I have had many situations in my time as a teacher of assistive technology that I have personally witnessed the level of struggle that someone deals with when attempting to navigate something that seems simple to me. It, however, would be wrong to assume that the person is simply not practicing or trying because the variance in skill sets and experience is why I have a job. By that token, lists like this exist for people to crowd source learn and gain support, and if they are belittled every time they voice a question, then the entire purpose of the list is devolved.

That being said, I want to make it clear that you can have no perspective from the blind user point of view as to what is easy. It is one thing to have a visual map to draw on and use yur knowledge to navigate rather than not have any perspective of the placement or breakdown of a web page and try to learn those basic groupings by trial and error. Brian, you are a valuable resource and are appreciated for the value you bring, but perhaps, you should consider the value you attempt to take away from others by using snarky comments that have absolutely no constructive value.

Just my opinion.
Roger

On May 15, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

David Diamond
 


Get Outlook for iOS yes, it's always a good idea to do those things well in the message. Smile.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of kylee@... <kylee@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 1:25:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only
 

Hi there

It works a treat as long as you are in the open message at the time, as I think Mike pointed out.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

If you turn on keyboard help in Jaws and press Jaws Key + Shift + R you get the following explanation:

Shift+JAWSKey+R
Replies directly to sender.

But as Tom said, I have never had any luck of this working in any of the mailing lists I am subscribed to.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Shift insert R often also works for me, although I couldn’t get to work in response to Kylee’s original message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 8:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Control+r just replies to the group unless the group happens to be set to reply to sender, which very few groups I’ve ever belonged to were set that way.

 

As Brian says in another message, if it is a group with groups.io, at the bottom of every message is a link to reply to sender, rather than the group.

 

Otherwise it is a lot of fiddling with the from or reply fields to figure out the person’s direct email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

ControlR, should do it

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Brian,

I assure you that I know how to do Internet searches and get the majority of my questions answered without list help. I appreciate your posts and was offering another take on the issue because it feels as if I've seen as many complaints from you about this as I've seen questions about keyboard shortcuts. It feels a bit like we're all beating the same dead horse.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 3:39:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys
 
On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
-
And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Glenn / Lenny
 


I think it is simply that a lot of people don't like using web pages, either they haven't learned the jaws commands for navigating pages, and don't wish to, or that they don't have the energy to do a web search.
Frankly, folks should have their home page set to a search engine, and we all need to do web searching for information.
As Blind folks, we have been forced all our lives to not have easy access to print that the sighted take for granted, and we can now solve most of that lack of information with the Internet, and web searches.
Although Wikipedia is not the ultimate source for information, I get so much information from it that I have donated to them a couple times.
But also, if information we want is not requested and fulfilled on lists like this one, there would be less to find with the web searches, as often information I find from a search winds up being from list archives that come up in web searches.
So I hope that a happy medium here is that we not feel sour if someone suggests that we can find information on-line, but at the same time, let's all do our best to learn to be more independent when getting information with this useful tool at our disposal.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
-
And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
-
And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

kylee@...
 

Hi there

It works a treat as long as you are in the open message at the time, as I think Mike pointed out.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

If you turn on keyboard help in Jaws and press Jaws Key + Shift + R you get the following explanation:

Shift+JAWSKey+R
Replies directly to sender.

But as Tom said, I have never had any luck of this working in any of the mailing lists I am subscribed to.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Shift insert R often also works for me, although I couldn’t get to work in response to Kylee’s original message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 8:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Control+r just replies to the group unless the group happens to be set to reply to sender, which very few groups I’ve ever belonged to were set that way.

 

As Brian says in another message, if it is a group with groups.io, at the bottom of every message is a link to reply to sender, rather than the group.

 

Otherwise it is a lot of fiddling with the from or reply fields to figure out the person’s direct email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

ControlR, should do it

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

meow meow
 

Rosie here...
I use control r it would work to reply to all back that what I use all the time
 

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

What James described with Control + R and Control + Shift + R does not apply to mailing lists. If you get an email where another person was CC'd you can press Control + R to reply to the original sender or Control + Shift + R (Reply All) which will also include anybody else the email was addressed to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

I just hit control+r, and as I said, that goes to the group, not the individual.

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi, it’s just control plus R. If you reply to everyone, it’s control plus Shift R.

James

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee

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