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moderated Jaws 2021 and outlook 2019

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Hello,

I’ve noticed lately that when typing an email address into the to field or even the cc or bcc fields that jaws 2021 is no longer announcing the email address typing in especially those that are stored in the list of email addresses from within outlook.

So wondered how would I enable this or allow this to happen using the latest version of jaws 2021?

Thanks.

Don

 

 

 


moderated Re: JAWS And Microsoft Office 365 Spellings

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Steven, 

The sound JAWS is playing indicates that Word already has changed a word. If you are not a fast writer you can press Control+Z immediately after hearing that sound so Word will undo the last change. But if you are a quick writer you surely have written some chars or words. If you have written some chars Control+Z will undo your last written text not the autocorrect entry. 

The problem here is: JAWS uses UIA, Microsofts Accessibility Framework, to get informed if a change took place. UIA stores the word being changed in a variable. JAWS theoretical could speak the word and inform you about it but most of the writers are so fast that the next keystroke would stop JAWS from speaking this. 

If this is very important to you to know what word has changed one could write a JAWS script to store the changes in a variable. By pressing a key assigned to the script JAWS could speak the stored variable. 

All the best
Udo 


Am 16.05.2021 um 16:28 schrieb Steven Hicks <hickser@...>:

Hi friends,
 
Can anyone just confirm how this works please, when I am typing and I make an error, there is a sound to indicate it, if there is an auto correct option how would I review that and accept it if it is the one I would like please?
 


moderated Re: JAWS And Microsoft Office 365 Spellings

Richard Turner
 

If you put focus on the word, press shift+f10 or your applications key, and arrow up, Jaws may give you some spelling options.  If the word is too far off, then you would just have to try another spelling to get close enough to get suggestions.

If it shows the word you want, hit enter on it and it should replace the word in your document.

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Hicks
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS And Microsoft Office 365 Spellings

 

Hi friends,

 

Can anyone just confirm how this works please, when I am typing and I make an error, there is a sound to indicate it, if there is an auto correct option how would I review that and accept it if it is the one I would like please?

 


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Justin Williams
 

Much appreciated for sharing the key commands, mike.

 

Very helpful.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of CJ &AA MAY
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 9:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Thank you so much for sharing these, Mike. I confess that I am still stumbling around Edge and am not very knowledgeable about the tabs etc. and many of the items in the list, mean nothing to me. I think that I should really try to find an Edge tutorial which is Jaws-related; is there such a thing, or a podcast or something?

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 15 May 2021 11:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Hi Steven,

 

These are the latest I have:

 

 
Ctrl + D
 
Save your current webpage as a favorite
 
Ctrl + E
 
Open a search query in the address bar
 
Ctrl + F
 
Find on page
 
Ctrl + G
 
Jump to the next match to your Find Bar search
 
Ctrl + H
 
Open History in a new tab (web UI)
 
Ctrl + J
 
Open Downloads in a new tab (web UI)
 
Ctrl + L
 
Select the URL in the address bar to edit
 
Ctrl + M
 
Mute current tab (toggle)
 
Ctrl + N
 
Open a new window
 
Ctrl + O
 
Open a file from your computer in Edge
 
Ctrl + P
 
Print the current page
 
Ctrl + R
 
Reload the current page
 
Ctrl + S
 
Save the current page
 
Ctrl + Shift + B
 
Show or hide the favorites bar
 
Ctrl + Shift + D
 
Save all open tabs as favorites in a new folder
 
Ctrl + Shift + G
 
Jump to the previous match to your Find Bar search
 
Ctrl + Shift + I
 
Open Developer Tools
 
Ctrl + Shift + L
 
Paste and search or Paste and go (if it's a URL)
 
Ctrl + Shift + M
 
Sign in as a different user or browse as a Guest
 
Ctrl + Shift + N
 
Open a new InPrivate window
 
Ctrl + Shift + O
 
Open Favorites management
 
Ctrl + Shift + P
 
Print using the system dialog
 
Ctrl + Shift + R
 
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content
 
Ctrl + Shift + T
 
Reopen the last closed tab, and switch to it
 
Ctrl + Shift + V
 
Paste without formatting
 
Ctrl + Shift + W
 
Close the current window
 
Ctrl + T
 
Open a new tab and switch to it
 
Ctrl + U
 
View source
 
Ctrl + W
 
Close the current tab
 
Ctrl + 0 (zero)
 
Reset zoom level
 
Ctrl + 1, 2, ... 8
 
Switch to a specific tab
 
Ctrl + 9
 
Switch to the last tab
 
Ctrl + Enter
 
Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address bar
 
Ctrl + Shift + Delete
 
Open clear browsing data options
 
Ctrl + Tab
 
Switch to the next tab
 
Ctrl + Shift + Tab
 
Switch to the previous tab
 
Ctrl + Plus (+)
 
Zoom in
 
Ctrl + Minus (-)
 
Zoom out
 
Ctrl + \ (in a PDF)
 
Toggle PDF between fit to page / fit to width
 
Ctrl + [ (in a PDF)
 
Rotate PDF counter-clockwise 90*
 
Ctrl + ] (in a PDF)
 
Rotate PDF clockwise 90*
 
Ctrl + PgDn
 
Switch to the next tab
 
Ctrl + PgUp
 
Switch to the previous tab
 
Alt
 
Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button
 
Alt + Shift + B
 
Set focus on the first item in the favorites bar
 
Alt + D
 
Select the URL in the address bar to edit
 
Alt + E
 
Open the Settings and more "..." menu
 
Alt + F
 
Open the Settings and more "..." menu
 
Alt + Shift + I
 
Open the Send feedback dialog
 
Alt + Shift + T
 
Set focus on the first item in the toolbar
 
Alt + Left arrow
 
Go back
 
Alt + Right arrow
 
Go forward
 
Alt + Home
 
Open your home page in the current tab
 
Alt + F4
 
Close the current window
 
F1
 
Open Help
 
F3
 
Find on page
 
F4
 
Select the URL in the address bar
 
Ctrl + F4
 
Close the current tab
 
F5
 
Reload the current page
 
Shift + F5
 
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content
 
F6
 
Switch focus to next pane
 
Shift + F6
 
Switch focus to previous pane
 
F7
 
Turn caret browsing on or off
 
F10
 
Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button
 
F10 + Enter
 
Open Setting and more "…" menu
 
Shift + F10
 
Open context menu
 
F11
 
Enter full screen (toggle)
 
F12
 
Open Developer Tools
 
Esc
 
Stop loading page; close dialog or pop-up
 
Spacebar
 
Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time
 
Shift + Spacebar
 
Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time
 
PgDn
 
Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time
 
PgUp
 
Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time
 
Home
 
Go to the top of the page, Move keyboard focus to first item of pane
 
End
 
Go to the bottom of the page, Move keyboard focus to last item of pane
 
Tab
 
Go to next tab stop
 
Shift + Tab
 
Go to previous tab stop
 
 

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 2:38 AM

Subject: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Hi friends,

 

does anyone know the shortcut keys for Microsoft Edge please, I have pretty much completely moved to using it now.

I Know that ctrl+d adds a shortcut, how do you bring up the list of favorites and also back them up please?

 


moderated JAWS And Microsoft Office 365 Spellings

Steven Hicks
 

Hi friends,

 

Can anyone just confirm how this works please, when I am typing and I make an error, there is a sound to indicate it, if there is an auto correct option how would I review that and accept it if it is the one I would like please?

 


moderated Thanks for the discussion about Narrator Keyboard commands

Richard Turner
 

Hello all,

Thanks for the discussion about Narrator keyboard commands.

It inspired me to create an Excel Workbook of the Narrator commands that I already had in Word, for myself and on my web site.

I learned a lot about Excel over the last couple of days, and have tons more to learn.

But, for now, on my web site is a link to the excel workbook.

There is a couple of paragraphs before the link that I recommend reading before downloading the Workbook.

Thanks to all this, I now know how to create a hyperlink within a workbook to serve as a Table of contents of sorts.

The narrator stuff is in the heading I called “Windows Related Items”.

Windows Related Items is at heading level 1 and the information within that section is at heading level 2.

 

www.turner42.com

 

HTH,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

CJ &AA MAY
 

Thank you so much for sharing these, Mike. I confess that I am still stumbling around Edge and am not very knowledgeable about the tabs etc. and many of the items in the list, mean nothing to me. I think that I should really try to find an Edge tutorial which is Jaws-related; is there such a thing, or a podcast or something?

Alison

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: 15 May 2021 11:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Hi Steven,

 

These are the latest I have:

 

 
Ctrl + D
 
Save your current webpage as a favorite
 
Ctrl + E
 
Open a search query in the address bar
 
Ctrl + F
 
Find on page
 
Ctrl + G
 
Jump to the next match to your Find Bar search
 
Ctrl + H
 
Open History in a new tab (web UI)
 
Ctrl + J
 
Open Downloads in a new tab (web UI)
 
Ctrl + L
 
Select the URL in the address bar to edit
 
Ctrl + M
 
Mute current tab (toggle)
 
Ctrl + N
 
Open a new window
 
Ctrl + O
 
Open a file from your computer in Edge
 
Ctrl + P
 
Print the current page
 
Ctrl + R
 
Reload the current page
 
Ctrl + S
 
Save the current page
 
Ctrl + Shift + B
 
Show or hide the favorites bar
 
Ctrl + Shift + D
 
Save all open tabs as favorites in a new folder
 
Ctrl + Shift + G
 
Jump to the previous match to your Find Bar search
 
Ctrl + Shift + I
 
Open Developer Tools
 
Ctrl + Shift + L
 
Paste and search or Paste and go (if it's a URL)
 
Ctrl + Shift + M
 
Sign in as a different user or browse as a Guest
 
Ctrl + Shift + N
 
Open a new InPrivate window
 
Ctrl + Shift + O
 
Open Favorites management
 
Ctrl + Shift + P
 
Print using the system dialog
 
Ctrl + Shift + R
 
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content
 
Ctrl + Shift + T
 
Reopen the last closed tab, and switch to it
 
Ctrl + Shift + V
 
Paste without formatting
 
Ctrl + Shift + W
 
Close the current window
 
Ctrl + T
 
Open a new tab and switch to it
 
Ctrl + U
 
View source
 
Ctrl + W
 
Close the current tab
 
Ctrl + 0 (zero)
 
Reset zoom level
 
Ctrl + 1, 2, ... 8
 
Switch to a specific tab
 
Ctrl + 9
 
Switch to the last tab
 
Ctrl + Enter
 
Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address bar
 
Ctrl + Shift + Delete
 
Open clear browsing data options
 
Ctrl + Tab
 
Switch to the next tab
 
Ctrl + Shift + Tab
 
Switch to the previous tab
 
Ctrl + Plus (+)
 
Zoom in
 
Ctrl + Minus (-)
 
Zoom out
 
Ctrl + \ (in a PDF)
 
Toggle PDF between fit to page / fit to width
 
Ctrl + [ (in a PDF)
 
Rotate PDF counter-clockwise 90*
 
Ctrl + ] (in a PDF)
 
Rotate PDF clockwise 90*
 
Ctrl + PgDn
 
Switch to the next tab
 
Ctrl + PgUp
 
Switch to the previous tab
 
Alt
 
Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button
 
Alt + Shift + B
 
Set focus on the first item in the favorites bar
 
Alt + D
 
Select the URL in the address bar to edit
 
Alt + E
 
Open the Settings and more "..." menu
 
Alt + F
 
Open the Settings and more "..." menu
 
Alt + Shift + I
 
Open the Send feedback dialog
 
Alt + Shift + T
 
Set focus on the first item in the toolbar
 
Alt + Left arrow
 
Go back
 
Alt + Right arrow
 
Go forward
 
Alt + Home
 
Open your home page in the current tab
 
Alt + F4
 
Close the current window
 
F1
 
Open Help
 
F3
 
Find on page
 
F4
 
Select the URL in the address bar
 
Ctrl + F4
 
Close the current tab
 
F5
 
Reload the current page
 
Shift + F5
 
Reload the current page, ignoring cached content
 
F6
 
Switch focus to next pane
 
Shift + F6
 
Switch focus to previous pane
 
F7
 
Turn caret browsing on or off
 
F10
 
Set focus on the Settings and more "…" button
 
F10 + Enter
 
Open Setting and more "…" menu
 
Shift + F10
 
Open context menu
 
F11
 
Enter full screen (toggle)
 
F12
 
Open Developer Tools
 
Esc
 
Stop loading page; close dialog or pop-up
 
Spacebar
 
Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time
 
Shift + Spacebar
 
Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time
 
PgDn
 
Scroll down webpage, one screen at a time
 
PgUp
 
Scroll up webpage, one screen at a time
 
Home
 
Go to the top of the page, Move keyboard focus to first item of pane
 
End
 
Go to the bottom of the page, Move keyboard focus to last item of pane
 
Tab
 
Go to next tab stop
 
Shift + Tab
 
Go to previous tab stop
 
 

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 2:38 AM

Subject: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Hi friends,

 

does anyone know the shortcut keys for Microsoft Edge please, I have pretty much completely moved to using it now.

I Know that ctrl+d adds a shortcut, how do you bring up the list of favorites and also back them up please?

 


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Steven Hicks
 

Point taken Brian.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 15 May 2021 17:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I enjoy putting such information into a more user friendly document and making it available so everyone isn’t having to reinvent the wheel.

-
Richard,

         Just FYI, the criticism is about the endless repetition of questions that have been asked untold numbers of times in this group, already, as well as having the answers readily available "straight from the horse's mouth" after doing a 2-second web search.

          Your formatting these things into a more easily screen-reader-user friendly format is a kindness, and not subject to any criticism from me.

          I still decry the fact that on almost every blind-tech related group I frequent that it's considered A-OK by far too many to treat them as their own personal Q&A group for commonly available information.  Messages, including this one, on this group, will land in over one thousand inboxes.  It's actually rude and lazy to ask for any Microsoft Keyboard Shortcuts list by bugging over a thousand people for something one can, and should, locate independently in less time than it takes to send a message.

           And I'll get plenty of private messages after this one either agreeing wholeheartedly with me, or calling me "mean" for speaking the plain truth.  I wish those who send me the former would speak up in public, and the latter I ignore.  We're all adults here, and the basic rules of netiquette apply to all of us, and a huge one of those when it comes to a mailing list is not asking "simple questions" that you (the generic you) absolutely know have been answered literally thousands of times on thousands of venues and where finding those answers independently is dirt simple.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: tax filing

Justin Williams
 

Does credit carma work?

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: tax filing

Foor U.S. taxpayers I have found taxact to be quite good, at least if you
want a desktop app. I have not tried their online system.

On Fri, 14 May 2021 18:24:55 -0400,
James Homuth wrote:

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Are you in the US or Canada, or somewhere else? That will make a
difference.
I do know Turbotax works both in the US and Canada and is accessible.
I use these guys every year without issue.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan
Hernandez
Sent: May 14, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: tax filing



HI All,



I want to do my taxes myself. What accessible online tools that can
guide me on doing my taxes are out there? I have simple tax needs
right now so I thought I'd do them myself instead of paying someone.



Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Best,



Juan










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Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Roger Crome <r_crome1@...>
 

Brian Vogel wrote

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.
—-
So,you are insulted that someone should challenge what you say because you come across in a way that perhaps you do not intend. How dare someone not understand what you are meaning rather than how you are coming across.

You are correct that you do not have to spend the amount of time you do providing quality feedback on the various lists, and many people appreciate what value you bring. However, that value does not give free reign to spout arrogance that devalues the efforts put forth by other listers. Because, let’s be frank here and admit that every person both sighted and without sight is at a different level of skill and at a different place in their journey of learning. You are just assuming that a person is posting a question because they haven’t tried themselves to search for said material. The fact is that you really don’t know where they are in regard to their journey through blindness, and you certainly do not know the personal perspective of challenges that aren’t as simple as you assume to overcome. You spend a lot of time as an expert and offering solutions, but that doesn’t give you the right to belittle and assume the amount of work someone puts into what they are trying to learn. I have had many situations in my time as a teacher of assistive technology that I have personally witnessed the level of struggle that someone deals with when attempting to navigate something that seems simple to me. It, however, would be wrong to assume that the person is simply not practicing or trying because the variance in skill sets and experience is why I have a job. By that token, lists like this exist for people to crowd source learn and gain support, and if they are belittled every time they voice a question, then the entire purpose of the list is devolved.

That being said, I want to make it clear that you can have no perspective from the blind user point of view as to what is easy. It is one thing to have a visual map to draw on and use yur knowledge to navigate rather than not have any perspective of the placement or breakdown of a web page and try to learn those basic groupings by trial and error. Brian, you are a valuable resource and are appreciated for the value you bring, but perhaps, you should consider the value you attempt to take away from others by using snarky comments that have absolutely no constructive value.

Just my opinion.
Roger

On May 15, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

David Diamond
 


Get Outlook for iOS yes, it's always a good idea to do those things well in the message. Smile.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of kylee@... <kylee@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 1:25:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only
 

Hi there

It works a treat as long as you are in the open message at the time, as I think Mike pointed out.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

If you turn on keyboard help in Jaws and press Jaws Key + Shift + R you get the following explanation:

Shift+JAWSKey+R
Replies directly to sender.

But as Tom said, I have never had any luck of this working in any of the mailing lists I am subscribed to.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Shift insert R often also works for me, although I couldn’t get to work in response to Kylee’s original message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 8:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Control+r just replies to the group unless the group happens to be set to reply to sender, which very few groups I’ve ever belonged to were set that way.

 

As Brian says in another message, if it is a group with groups.io, at the bottom of every message is a link to reply to sender, rather than the group.

 

Otherwise it is a lot of fiddling with the from or reply fields to figure out the person’s direct email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

ControlR, should do it

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Brian,

I assure you that I know how to do Internet searches and get the majority of my questions answered without list help. I appreciate your posts and was offering another take on the issue because it feels as if I've seen as many complaints from you about this as I've seen questions about keyboard shortcuts. It feels a bit like we're all beating the same dead horse.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 3:39:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys
 
On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
-
And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Glenn / Lenny
 


I think it is simply that a lot of people don't like using web pages, either they haven't learned the jaws commands for navigating pages, and don't wish to, or that they don't have the energy to do a web search.
Frankly, folks should have their home page set to a search engine, and we all need to do web searching for information.
As Blind folks, we have been forced all our lives to not have easy access to print that the sighted take for granted, and we can now solve most of that lack of information with the Internet, and web searches.
Although Wikipedia is not the ultimate source for information, I get so much information from it that I have donated to them a couple times.
But also, if information we want is not requested and fulfilled on lists like this one, there would be less to find with the web searches, as often information I find from a search winds up being from list archives that come up in web searches.
So I hope that a happy medium here is that we not feel sour if someone suggests that we can find information on-line, but at the same time, let's all do our best to learn to be more independent when getting information with this useful tool at our disposal.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
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And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
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moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
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And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

kylee@...
 

Hi there

It works a treat as long as you are in the open message at the time, as I think Mike pointed out.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

If you turn on keyboard help in Jaws and press Jaws Key + Shift + R you get the following explanation:

Shift+JAWSKey+R
Replies directly to sender.

But as Tom said, I have never had any luck of this working in any of the mailing lists I am subscribed to.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Shift insert R often also works for me, although I couldn’t get to work in response to Kylee’s original message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 8:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Control+r just replies to the group unless the group happens to be set to reply to sender, which very few groups I’ve ever belonged to were set that way.

 

As Brian says in another message, if it is a group with groups.io, at the bottom of every message is a link to reply to sender, rather than the group.

 

Otherwise it is a lot of fiddling with the from or reply fields to figure out the person’s direct email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

ControlR, should do it

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

meow meow
 

Rosie here...
I use control r it would work to reply to all back that what I use all the time
 

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

What James described with Control + R and Control + Shift + R does not apply to mailing lists. If you get an email where another person was CC'd you can press Control + R to reply to the original sender or Control + Shift + R (Reply All) which will also include anybody else the email was addressed to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

I just hit control+r, and as I said, that goes to the group, not the individual.

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi, it’s just control plus R. If you reply to everyone, it’s control plus Shift R.

James

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Brian,

 

While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight. And since lists with as many members as this one are dynamic with membership constantly changing, you can hardly expect all members to be familiar with previous posts. And using your example of a thousand members, the cumulative time for the entire membership to delete a message assuming a half second each comes to roughly 8 and a third minutes.  I expect most would argue that finding the answer by doing an internet or archive search with a screen reader might take longer than that.

 

For me, I’d appreciate folks posting to use definitive subject lines with considerably more detail and not to see the same person post two or three messages in a row with the same subject. However, I deal with both of these repeatedly on lists so quickly exercising the delete key is what works best for me.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I enjoy putting such information into a more user friendly document and making it available so everyone isn’t having to reinvent the wheel.

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Richard,

         Just FYI, the criticism is about the endless repetition of questions that have been asked untold numbers of times in this group, already, as well as having the answers readily available "straight from the horse's mouth" after doing a 2-second web search.

          Your formatting these things into a more easily screen-reader-user friendly format is a kindness, and not subject to any criticism from me.

          I still decry the fact that on almost every blind-tech related group I frequent that it's considered A-OK by far too many to treat them as their own personal Q&A group for commonly available information.  Messages, including this one, on this group, will land in over one thousand inboxes.  It's actually rude and lazy to ask for any Microsoft Keyboard Shortcuts list by bugging over a thousand people for something one can, and should, locate independently in less time than it takes to send a message.

           And I'll get plenty of private messages after this one either agreeing wholeheartedly with me, or calling me "mean" for speaking the plain truth.  I wish those who send me the former would speak up in public, and the latter I ignore.  We're all adults here, and the basic rules of netiquette apply to all of us, and a huge one of those when it comes to a mailing list is not asking "simple questions" that you (the generic you) absolutely know have been answered literally thousands of times on thousands of venues and where finding those answers independently is dirt simple.
 
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Richard Turner
 

Brian, you are right, and I agree with you.
Perhaps I need to get my web site to show up more in search results, but I do not want to pay for such a privilage.
But, the endless repeated questions do get old when people could either do the simple web search, or search the archives.
O well.
Life goes on.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 15, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
I enjoy putting such information into a more user friendly document and making it available so everyone isn’t having to reinvent the wheel.
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Richard,

         Just FYI, the criticism is about the endless repetition of questions that have been asked untold numbers of times in this group, already, as well as having the answers readily available "straight from the horse's mouth" after doing a 2-second web search.

          Your formatting these things into a more easily screen-reader-user friendly format is a kindness, and not subject to any criticism from me.

          I still decry the fact that on almost every blind-tech related group I frequent that it's considered A-OK by far too many to treat them as their own personal Q&A group for commonly available information.  Messages, including this one, on this group, will land in over one thousand inboxes.  It's actually rude and lazy to ask for any Microsoft Keyboard Shortcuts list by bugging over a thousand people for something one can, and should, locate independently in less time than it takes to send a message.

           And I'll get plenty of private messages after this one either agreeing wholeheartedly with me, or calling me "mean" for speaking the plain truth.  I wish those who send me the former would speak up in public, and the latter I ignore.  We're all adults here, and the basic rules of netiquette apply to all of us, and a huge one of those when it comes to a mailing list is not asking "simple questions" that you (the generic you) absolutely know have been answered literally thousands of times on thousands of venues and where finding those answers independently is dirt simple.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: eMail Server

Jeremy Johansen
 

Hi Glenn

Let me know if you'd like any assistance .  I've hosted sites for over 15 years.
When you register and host your own domain, you have the fun of choosing something creative and also practical.  For instance, my favorite domain that I use mainly for shortcuts is jj2k.com. Then you can create whatever email accounts and aliases you like.  The most creative one I've set up for a friend was AV8R (for the aviator).
When you are considering your domain name, my recommendation is to consider the price of the TLD if you go with anything other than the standard .com/.net for $10/year.  I manage a bunch of domains through a wholesale registrar so that I can pass on the savings. Two of the cheapest right now are .email and .today at $2/year.
Once you choose a domain, the next consideration is whether you just want to hook up email or if you also want to include hosting for a website. That will influence what service is best.
Cheers, Jeremy

On 5/14/2021 9:57 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Oops, sorry, I misread the initial email, I thought you wanted to find out which Outlook.com addresses were available not that you wanted to register your own.

As James said, such custom domains are really no different from those a business would get and there are a gazillion different dot extensions available now, gone are the days when it used to be .com, .net., .org and of course the various country ones like .ca for Canada, .de for "Deutschland" (Germany) etc.

Now you have things like .store, .biz, .TV, .info, .family, .sexy and many more.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: eMail Server

 

You buy the lastname.net domain, pay someone to host that domain, and hope they allow you to set up email. Or you become skilled at server maintenance and host it yourself. Yes, either is doable with JAWS.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 13, 2021 8:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: eMail Server

 

Hi,

My ISP will soon be discontinuing eMail service, and although I think that is a mistake on their part, because my eMail account has been the only thing tying me to them, I'm never the less going to have to get a new eMail provider, probably Outlook.com.

But before I definitely go that route, I want to know how someone gets an eMail address like first@..., or another extension.

Hoping I can do this fairly easily.

Glenn


moderated Re: JAWS And Bluetooth Devices

Chris Hill
 

Hello.


There are headsets and then there are headsets.  Better devices have less lag.  As far as that goes, though, I can't stand having any keyboard echo turned on, extra stuff rattling on while I'm trying to think just ruines the process.  Much better to check things over after they are written.


CH


On 5/15/2021 12:00, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

And just on another note I can't stand using a Bluetooth headset or speaker with my PC because of the lag which every device has. I type and do stuff too quickly for that not to be a problem mand prefer devices without a lag. On my laptop this means that if I want to use a wireless headset I use the Logitech 800 which comes with a USB dongle similar to Logitech keyboards and that is exactly the reason as well why I would never use a Bluetooth keyboard on my PC, just too much lag.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS And Bluetooth Devices

 

I use jaws with bluetooth on a fairly regular basis, and I'm not having those problems.  Many times I have to hit the play button on my bluetooth headphones after I've turned them on to get all the sound to switch, but once done, it stays right there.  You might want to make sure your sound driver is up to date.

 

CH

 

On 5/15/2021 02:51, Steven Hicks wrote:

Hi all,

 

Does anyone find Microsoft Windows 10 and JAWS with Bluetooth devices quite inconsistent?

Sometimes JAWS seems to just stop when using a Bluetooth speaker and seems to swap to a different sound device.

Don’t think it is JAWS but possibly Windows.

If you go in to JAWS, utilities and sound cards, you can change the device but sometimes the name of the sound device doesn’t seem to relate to the one I would expect e.g. the Realtek Sound device being the laptop internal speakers will send JAWS output to the Bluetooth speaker.

You click on the Bluetooth speaker name and JAWS goes to the internal laptop speakers.

 

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