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moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Roger Crome <r_crome1@...>
 

Brian Vogel wrote

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.
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So,you are insulted that someone should challenge what you say because you come across in a way that perhaps you do not intend. How dare someone not understand what you are meaning rather than how you are coming across.

You are correct that you do not have to spend the amount of time you do providing quality feedback on the various lists, and many people appreciate what value you bring. However, that value does not give free reign to spout arrogance that devalues the efforts put forth by other listers. Because, let’s be frank here and admit that every person both sighted and without sight is at a different level of skill and at a different place in their journey of learning. You are just assuming that a person is posting a question because they haven’t tried themselves to search for said material. The fact is that you really don’t know where they are in regard to their journey through blindness, and you certainly do not know the personal perspective of challenges that aren’t as simple as you assume to overcome. You spend a lot of time as an expert and offering solutions, but that doesn’t give you the right to belittle and assume the amount of work someone puts into what they are trying to learn. I have had many situations in my time as a teacher of assistive technology that I have personally witnessed the level of struggle that someone deals with when attempting to navigate something that seems simple to me. It, however, would be wrong to assume that the person is simply not practicing or trying because the variance in skill sets and experience is why I have a job. By that token, lists like this exist for people to crowd source learn and gain support, and if they are belittled every time they voice a question, then the entire purpose of the list is devolved.

That being said, I want to make it clear that you can have no perspective from the blind user point of view as to what is easy. It is one thing to have a visual map to draw on and use yur knowledge to navigate rather than not have any perspective of the placement or breakdown of a web page and try to learn those basic groupings by trial and error. Brian, you are a valuable resource and are appreciated for the value you bring, but perhaps, you should consider the value you attempt to take away from others by using snarky comments that have absolutely no constructive value.

Just my opinion.
Roger

On May 15, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it. And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this. It takes you a bit longer, yes. So what? Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease. Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

David Diamond
 


Get Outlook for iOS yes, it's always a good idea to do those things well in the message. Smile.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of kylee@... <kylee@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 1:25:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only
 

Hi there

It works a treat as long as you are in the open message at the time, as I think Mike pointed out.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

If you turn on keyboard help in Jaws and press Jaws Key + Shift + R you get the following explanation:

Shift+JAWSKey+R
Replies directly to sender.

But as Tom said, I have never had any luck of this working in any of the mailing lists I am subscribed to.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Shift insert R often also works for me, although I couldn’t get to work in response to Kylee’s original message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 8:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Control+r just replies to the group unless the group happens to be set to reply to sender, which very few groups I’ve ever belonged to were set that way.

 

As Brian says in another message, if it is a group with groups.io, at the bottom of every message is a link to reply to sender, rather than the group.

 

Otherwise it is a lot of fiddling with the from or reply fields to figure out the person’s direct email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

ControlR, should do it

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Brian,

I assure you that I know how to do Internet searches and get the majority of my questions answered without list help. I appreciate your posts and was offering another take on the issue because it feels as if I've seen as many complaints from you about this as I've seen questions about keyboard shortcuts. It feels a bit like we're all beating the same dead horse.

Alan Lemly 

with Outlook for iOS


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 3:39:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys
 
On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
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And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Glenn / Lenny
 


I think it is simply that a lot of people don't like using web pages, either they haven't learned the jaws commands for navigating pages, and don't wish to, or that they don't have the energy to do a web search.
Frankly, folks should have their home page set to a search engine, and we all need to do web searching for information.
As Blind folks, we have been forced all our lives to not have easy access to print that the sighted take for granted, and we can now solve most of that lack of information with the Internet, and web searches.
Although Wikipedia is not the ultimate source for information, I get so much information from it that I have donated to them a couple times.
But also, if information we want is not requested and fulfilled on lists like this one, there would be less to find with the web searches, as often information I find from a search winds up being from list archives that come up in web searches.
So I hope that a happy medium here is that we not feel sour if someone suggests that we can find information on-line, but at the same time, let's all do our best to learn to be more independent when getting information with this useful tool at our disposal.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
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And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 03:11 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight.
-
And the fact is, Alan, that you still need to know how to do it and actually do it.  And I am insulted, given the amount of material I post that falls into, "I certainly don't have to do it," and, "it takes a darned long time to put it together step-by-step," that insisting that a few extra minutes should be taken before asking questions on a list gets a response like this.  It takes you a bit longer, yes.  So what?  Waiting for replies on a mailing list takes longer.

You, the generic you, have a life situation you must deal with, and in doing so at least attempting to put the least amount of effort on to others, again and again.

I expect any denizen of cyberspace in 2021 to be able to do a basic web search with ease.  Being able to search on "Microsoft {insert program here} keyboard shortcuts" is easy, as is reviewing the results from same.

This isn't about perfection.  It's about putting forth reasonable effort oneself before imposing on the time of over a thousand others.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

kylee@...
 

Hi there

It works a treat as long as you are in the open message at the time, as I think Mike pointed out.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, 16 May 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

If you turn on keyboard help in Jaws and press Jaws Key + Shift + R you get the following explanation:

Shift+JAWSKey+R
Replies directly to sender.

But as Tom said, I have never had any luck of this working in any of the mailing lists I am subscribed to.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Shift insert R often also works for me, although I couldn’t get to work in response to Kylee’s original message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 8:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Control+r just replies to the group unless the group happens to be set to reply to sender, which very few groups I’ve ever belonged to were set that way.

 

As Brian says in another message, if it is a group with groups.io, at the bottom of every message is a link to reply to sender, rather than the group.

 

Otherwise it is a lot of fiddling with the from or reply fields to figure out the person’s direct email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

ControlR, should do it

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

meow meow
 

Rosie here...
I use control r it would work to reply to all back that what I use all the time
 

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

What James described with Control + R and Control + Shift + R does not apply to mailing lists. If you get an email where another person was CC'd you can press Control + R to reply to the original sender or Control + Shift + R (Reply All) which will also include anybody else the email was addressed to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

I just hit control+r, and as I said, that goes to the group, not the individual.

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi, it’s just control plus R. If you reply to everyone, it’s control plus Shift R.

James

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

Brian,

 

While I appreciate your comments about list behavior in a perfect world, the last time I checked, the world wasn’t perfect. The plain fact is that searching for something on the internet or in a set of list archives for someone without sight using a screen reader takes considerably longer than for someone with sight. And since lists with as many members as this one are dynamic with membership constantly changing, you can hardly expect all members to be familiar with previous posts. And using your example of a thousand members, the cumulative time for the entire membership to delete a message assuming a half second each comes to roughly 8 and a third minutes.  I expect most would argue that finding the answer by doing an internet or archive search with a screen reader might take longer than that.

 

For me, I’d appreciate folks posting to use definitive subject lines with considerably more detail and not to see the same person post two or three messages in a row with the same subject. However, I deal with both of these repeatedly on lists so quickly exercising the delete key is what works best for me.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I enjoy putting such information into a more user friendly document and making it available so everyone isn’t having to reinvent the wheel.

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Richard,

         Just FYI, the criticism is about the endless repetition of questions that have been asked untold numbers of times in this group, already, as well as having the answers readily available "straight from the horse's mouth" after doing a 2-second web search.

          Your formatting these things into a more easily screen-reader-user friendly format is a kindness, and not subject to any criticism from me.

          I still decry the fact that on almost every blind-tech related group I frequent that it's considered A-OK by far too many to treat them as their own personal Q&A group for commonly available information.  Messages, including this one, on this group, will land in over one thousand inboxes.  It's actually rude and lazy to ask for any Microsoft Keyboard Shortcuts list by bugging over a thousand people for something one can, and should, locate independently in less time than it takes to send a message.

           And I'll get plenty of private messages after this one either agreeing wholeheartedly with me, or calling me "mean" for speaking the plain truth.  I wish those who send me the former would speak up in public, and the latter I ignore.  We're all adults here, and the basic rules of netiquette apply to all of us, and a huge one of those when it comes to a mailing list is not asking "simple questions" that you (the generic you) absolutely know have been answered literally thousands of times on thousands of venues and where finding those answers independently is dirt simple.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

Richard Turner
 

Brian, you are right, and I agree with you.
Perhaps I need to get my web site to show up more in search results, but I do not want to pay for such a privilage.
But, the endless repeated questions do get old when people could either do the simple web search, or search the archives.
O well.
Life goes on.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On May 15, 2021, at 9:28 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
I enjoy putting such information into a more user friendly document and making it available so everyone isn’t having to reinvent the wheel.
-
Richard,

         Just FYI, the criticism is about the endless repetition of questions that have been asked untold numbers of times in this group, already, as well as having the answers readily available "straight from the horse's mouth" after doing a 2-second web search.

          Your formatting these things into a more easily screen-reader-user friendly format is a kindness, and not subject to any criticism from me.

          I still decry the fact that on almost every blind-tech related group I frequent that it's considered A-OK by far too many to treat them as their own personal Q&A group for commonly available information.  Messages, including this one, on this group, will land in over one thousand inboxes.  It's actually rude and lazy to ask for any Microsoft Keyboard Shortcuts list by bugging over a thousand people for something one can, and should, locate independently in less time than it takes to send a message.

           And I'll get plenty of private messages after this one either agreeing wholeheartedly with me, or calling me "mean" for speaking the plain truth.  I wish those who send me the former would speak up in public, and the latter I ignore.  We're all adults here, and the basic rules of netiquette apply to all of us, and a huge one of those when it comes to a mailing list is not asking "simple questions" that you (the generic you) absolutely know have been answered literally thousands of times on thousands of venues and where finding those answers independently is dirt simple.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: eMail Server

Jeremy Johansen
 

Hi Glenn

Let me know if you'd like any assistance .  I've hosted sites for over 15 years.
When you register and host your own domain, you have the fun of choosing something creative and also practical.  For instance, my favorite domain that I use mainly for shortcuts is jj2k.com. Then you can create whatever email accounts and aliases you like.  The most creative one I've set up for a friend was AV8R (for the aviator).
When you are considering your domain name, my recommendation is to consider the price of the TLD if you go with anything other than the standard .com/.net for $10/year.  I manage a bunch of domains through a wholesale registrar so that I can pass on the savings. Two of the cheapest right now are .email and .today at $2/year.
Once you choose a domain, the next consideration is whether you just want to hook up email or if you also want to include hosting for a website. That will influence what service is best.
Cheers, Jeremy

On 5/14/2021 9:57 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Oops, sorry, I misread the initial email, I thought you wanted to find out which Outlook.com addresses were available not that you wanted to register your own.

As James said, such custom domains are really no different from those a business would get and there are a gazillion different dot extensions available now, gone are the days when it used to be .com, .net., .org and of course the various country ones like .ca for Canada, .de for "Deutschland" (Germany) etc.

Now you have things like .store, .biz, .TV, .info, .family, .sexy and many more.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 5:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: eMail Server

 

You buy the lastname.net domain, pay someone to host that domain, and hope they allow you to set up email. Or you become skilled at server maintenance and host it yourself. Yes, either is doable with JAWS.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 13, 2021 8:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: eMail Server

 

Hi,

My ISP will soon be discontinuing eMail service, and although I think that is a mistake on their part, because my eMail account has been the only thing tying me to them, I'm never the less going to have to get a new eMail provider, probably Outlook.com.

But before I definitely go that route, I want to know how someone gets an eMail address like first@..., or another extension.

Hoping I can do this fairly easily.

Glenn


moderated Re: JAWS And Bluetooth Devices

Chris Hill
 

Hello.


There are headsets and then there are headsets.  Better devices have less lag.  As far as that goes, though, I can't stand having any keyboard echo turned on, extra stuff rattling on while I'm trying to think just ruines the process.  Much better to check things over after they are written.


CH


On 5/15/2021 12:00, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

And just on another note I can't stand using a Bluetooth headset or speaker with my PC because of the lag which every device has. I type and do stuff too quickly for that not to be a problem mand prefer devices without a lag. On my laptop this means that if I want to use a wireless headset I use the Logitech 800 which comes with a USB dongle similar to Logitech keyboards and that is exactly the reason as well why I would never use a Bluetooth keyboard on my PC, just too much lag.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS And Bluetooth Devices

 

I use jaws with bluetooth on a fairly regular basis, and I'm not having those problems.  Many times I have to hit the play button on my bluetooth headphones after I've turned them on to get all the sound to switch, but once done, it stays right there.  You might want to make sure your sound driver is up to date.

 

CH

 

On 5/15/2021 02:51, Steven Hicks wrote:

Hi all,

 

Does anyone find Microsoft Windows 10 and JAWS with Bluetooth devices quite inconsistent?

Sometimes JAWS seems to just stop when using a Bluetooth speaker and seems to swap to a different sound device.

Don’t think it is JAWS but possibly Windows.

If you go in to JAWS, utilities and sound cards, you can change the device but sometimes the name of the sound device doesn’t seem to relate to the one I would expect e.g. the Realtek Sound device being the laptop internal speakers will send JAWS output to the Bluetooth speaker.

You click on the Bluetooth speaker name and JAWS goes to the internal laptop speakers.

 


moderated Re: JAWS screen reader accessible wordpress hosting services

Jeremy Johansen
 

I've provided hosting at farmerhost.com for over ten years, including  WordPress websites as well as some custom designed, accessible ones.  There are a number of flavors of cPanel out there and some read better with JAWS than others but it still is my preferred control panel. WordPress migration is included because it is pretty simple to do using one of the backup and restore plugins.

I'm happy to help with anything related to domains, hosting and accessible design. Feel free to contact me directly.

Cheers, Jeremy

510-667-9577

drjj@farmerhost.com

On 5/14/2021 2:52 AM, Hope Williamson wrote:
I've never used Plesque in my 16 years of WP experience. I've always
stuck with cPannel.

On 5/13/2021 5:20 PM, kylee@timeless.net.nz wrote:
Hi there
I've just joined Digital Pacific in Australia, even though I'm from Aotearoa. The one service I could have chosen uses Plesk rather than CPanel. Anyone here know whether it's accessible - just as amatter of interest?
Cheers
Kylee
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2021 2:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS screen reader accessible wordpress hosting services

Hello,
I am looking for wordpress web hosting. The site needs to be JAWS or screen reader accessible and offer migration from the previous host I was using.
I would also like to have email at my domain. With so many hosts out there, I would like to hear recommendations of which ones people are using?
Somebody recommended Dreamhost and though I was able to see their plans, I could not sign up for one with JAWS.
Thank you in advance for any responses.

--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing tasks.
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moderated Re: JAWS And Bluetooth Devices

 

And just on another note I can't stand using a Bluetooth headset or speaker with my PC because of the lag which every device has. I type and do stuff too quickly for that not to be a problem mand prefer devices without a lag. On my laptop this means that if I want to use a wireless headset I use the Logitech 800 which comes with a USB dongle similar to Logitech keyboards and that is exactly the reason as well why I would never use a Bluetooth keyboard on my PC, just too much lag.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 6:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS And Bluetooth Devices

 

I use jaws with bluetooth on a fairly regular basis, and I'm not having those problems.  Many times I have to hit the play button on my bluetooth headphones after I've turned them on to get all the sound to switch, but once done, it stays right there.  You might want to make sure your sound driver is up to date.

 

CH

 

On 5/15/2021 02:51, Steven Hicks wrote:

Hi all,

 

Does anyone find Microsoft Windows 10 and JAWS with Bluetooth devices quite inconsistent?

Sometimes JAWS seems to just stop when using a Bluetooth speaker and seems to swap to a different sound device.

Don’t think it is JAWS but possibly Windows.

If you go in to JAWS, utilities and sound cards, you can change the device but sometimes the name of the sound device doesn’t seem to relate to the one I would expect e.g. the Realtek Sound device being the laptop internal speakers will send JAWS output to the Bluetooth speaker.

You click on the Bluetooth speaker name and JAWS goes to the internal laptop speakers.

 


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Don't rely on that keystroke,
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Yup.  And that's because it's really not supposed to and the emailing lists "rig it" that any default reply is to the list.

It generally requires sleuthing in the message header or using something like the Groups.io Reply to Sender link at the end of messages to reliably direct something privately back to the message's sender.

And I realize that there is some percentage that's small, but still significant, that for some reason does not have a Reply to Sender link at the end, and this seems to have something to do with whether the originator is forcing plain-text messages, but neither I, nor the person who runs Groups.io, have ever found out exactly what nor a way that Groups.io itself can work around this.  That's why I strongly suggest sticking with HTML format in your email, as I've not seen it missing then.
 
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

A safer way to reply to a sender if the link is not there at the bottom is to press Shift + Tab when you are at the beginning of the message until you get to the "From" field, here the sender's address is usually available, just put focus on it either with the PC or Jaws cursor, press the application key or Shift + F10 if you don't hav eone and select copy. This copies the sender's address to the clipboard, you can now press Reply or start a new message, if you reply once again Shift + Tab until you are in the To field, press Control + A to select all and delete, then Control + V to paste the private address into the field.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 9:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Thanks to Mike and Tom for providing the keystroke I was after. I belong to several Groups.io lists and I've only seen the 'reply to sender' link at the bottom of messages from this list.

Cheers

Kylee

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi Kylee,

 

Try the, Insert, shift + R, keystroke, for replying to sender with the message open.

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: kylee@...

Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi there

I did find a 'reply to sender' link at the end of some emails but it doesn't occur universally.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2021 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Well, if the list happens to be hosted by Groups.io you can use the Reply to Sender link at the end of each message to send a private reply (which will be given the subject of Private colon followed by the topic title).  Activating it should fire up a compose window in your default email client.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hello Kylee,

 

Don't rely on that keystroke, it has never worked for me in a group email. I definitely suggest you press Alt + 3 on the number row after using it to verify the "To" address.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 9:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Thanks to Mike and Tom for providing the keystroke I was after. I belong to several Groups.io lists and I've only seen the 'reply to sender' link at the bottom of messages from this list.

Cheers

Kylee

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi Kylee,

 

Try the, Insert, shift + R, keystroke, for replying to sender with the message open.

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: kylee@...

Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi there

I did find a 'reply to sender' link at the end of some emails but it doesn't occur universally.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2021 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Well, if the list happens to be hosted by Groups.io you can use the Reply to Sender link at the end of each message to send a private reply (which will be given the subject of Private colon followed by the topic title).  Activating it should fire up a compose window in your default email client.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

I just tried this, if the message is not open Jaws just says "Cannot retrieve sender's address" and with the message open it says:

Replying directly to sender
(main@jfw.groups.io via groups.io)

So obvioulsy it is replying to the group just as Control + R does and you either have to use the link at the bottom of the message or go to the "From" field and manually put the Jaws cursor on the address of the person, use the application key and copy it.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi Kylee,

 

Try the, Insert, shift + R, keystroke, for replying to sender with the message open.

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: kylee@...

Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi there

I did find a 'reply to sender' link at the end of some emails but it doesn't occur universally.

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, 15 May 2021 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Well, if the list happens to be hosted by Groups.io you can use the Reply to Sender link at the end of each message to send a private reply (which will be given the subject of Private colon followed by the topic title).  Activating it should fire up a compose window in your default email client.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

If you turn on keyboard help in Jaws and press Jaws Key + Shift + R you get the following explanation:

Shift+JAWSKey+R
Replies directly to sender.

But as Tom said, I have never had any luck of this working in any of the mailing lists I am subscribed to.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Shift insert R often also works for me, although I couldn’t get to work in response to Kylee’s original message.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 8:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Control+r just replies to the group unless the group happens to be set to reply to sender, which very few groups I’ve ever belonged to were set that way.

 

As Brian says in another message, if it is a group with groups.io, at the bottom of every message is a link to reply to sender, rather than the group.

 

Otherwise it is a lot of fiddling with the from or reply fields to figure out the person’s direct email.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

ControlR, should do it

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

What James described with Control + R and Control + Shift + R does not apply to mailing lists. If you get an email where another person was CC'd you can press Control + R to reply to the original sender or Control + Shift + R (Reply All) which will also include anybody else the email was addressed to.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

I just hit control+r, and as I said, that goes to the group, not the individual.

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi, it’s just control plus R. If you reply to everyone, it’s control plus Shift R.

James

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kylee@...
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reply to Sender Only

 

Hi all

Would someone please refresh my memory of the JAWS keystroke to reply to a list sender only instead of the list. One of the lists to which I belong is somewhat strict about replying off-list when acknowledging emails (to which I happen to agree) but I can't find the relevant keystroke.

TIA

Kylee


moderated Re: Microsoft Edge Shortcut Keys

 

On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
I enjoy putting such information into a more user friendly document and making it available so everyone isn’t having to reinvent the wheel.
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Richard,

         Just FYI, the criticism is about the endless repetition of questions that have been asked untold numbers of times in this group, already, as well as having the answers readily available "straight from the horse's mouth" after doing a 2-second web search.

          Your formatting these things into a more easily screen-reader-user friendly format is a kindness, and not subject to any criticism from me.

          I still decry the fact that on almost every blind-tech related group I frequent that it's considered A-OK by far too many to treat them as their own personal Q&A group for commonly available information.  Messages, including this one, on this group, will land in over one thousand inboxes.  It's actually rude and lazy to ask for any Microsoft Keyboard Shortcuts list by bugging over a thousand people for something one can, and should, locate independently in less time than it takes to send a message.

           And I'll get plenty of private messages after this one either agreeing wholeheartedly with me, or calling me "mean" for speaking the plain truth.  I wish those who send me the former would speak up in public, and the latter I ignore.  We're all adults here, and the basic rules of netiquette apply to all of us, and a huge one of those when it comes to a mailing list is not asking "simple questions" that you (the generic you) absolutely know have been answered literally thousands of times on thousands of venues and where finding those answers independently is dirt simple.
 
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