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moderated Re: JAWS screen reader accessible wordpress hosting services

kylee@...
 

Hi there
I've just joined Digital Pacific in Australia, even though I'm from Aotearoa. The one service I could have chosen uses Plesk rather than CPanel. Anyone here know whether it's accessible - just as amatter of interest?
Cheers
Kylee

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2021 2:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS screen reader accessible wordpress hosting services

Hello,
I am looking for wordpress web hosting. The site needs to be JAWS or screen reader accessible and offer migration from the previous host I was using.
I would also like to have email at my domain. With so many hosts out there, I would like to hear recommendations of which ones people are using?
Somebody recommended Dreamhost and though I was able to see their plans, I could not sign up for one with JAWS.
Thank you in advance for any responses.

--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing tasks.
atvistech@gmail.com


moderated Re: Multi select list box not allowing multiple selections

kylee@...
 

Hi there

Isn't it somewhat ironic that businesses think they're being security savvy when they don't update?

Cheers

Kylee

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2021 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Multi select list box not allowing multiple selections

 

Oh, I completely agree with you that IE should go. And public facing websites are, quite rightly, killing IE. I'm thinking more of applications that are used in house and which rely on IE, or some IT department that is slow to upgrade because of "security concerns". Legacy software is a funny thing; I often end up writing JAWS scripts to get AS/400 type databases to work in a Win10 environment, and AS/400 is decades old now.

 

--

Too brief? Here's why! http://emailcharter.org

 

 

On Thu, 13 May 2021 at 15:48, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 07:58 AM, James Benstead wrote:

I think a number of institutions will be retaining it for quite some time.

-
I don't.  We're at the end of the "quite some time" to which you refer.  A very great many institutions have already made it impossible to use their sites with IE - they bar entry.  I'm counting the days until a feature update arrives when IE is actually finally, permanently purged from the Windows ecosystem.

Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler       (Dec 2019)

The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ...           (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth)

Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ...  (Feb 2019)

Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ...     (Feb 2019)

Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer                    (Feb 2019)

12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld  (June 2011 – Even more valid now)

And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: eMail Server

kylee@...
 

Hi there

James is right, but you would have to go into the control panel of your web host (hopefully CPanel) and first set up your email from there. Once born, your email account would then need to be set up in your email client, such as MS Outlook or Thunderbird.

HTH

Kylee

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, 14 May 2021 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: eMail Server

 

Hi,

My ISP will soon be discontinuing eMail service, and although I think that is a mistake on their part, because my eMail account has been the only thing tying me to them, I'm never the less going to have to get a new eMail provider, probably Outlook.com.

But before I definitely go that route, I want to know how someone gets an eMail address like first@..., or another extension.

Hoping I can do this fairly easily.

Glenn


moderated Re: eMail Server

Jim Fettgather
 

May I say that I have been using

www.arbordomains.com

for 20 years, to register domains.

It is very Jaws friendly and you can check the availability of any domain name you wish, takes about 30 seconds.

Thanks.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 7:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: eMail Server

 

A friend of mine has that, but he is not computer savvy enough to do it himself, so he is probably paying someone to do it.

Where is a good place to find out if a domain is available?

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: eMail Server

 

You buy the lastname.net domain, pay someone to host that domain, and hope they allow you to set up email. Or you become skilled at server maintenance and host it yourself. Yes, either is doable with JAWS.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 13, 2021 8:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: eMail Server

 

Hi,

My ISP will soon be discontinuing eMail service, and although I think that is a mistake on their part, because my eMail account has been the only thing tying me to them, I'm never the less going to have to get a new eMail provider, probably Outlook.com.

But before I definitely go that route, I want to know how someone gets an eMail address like first@..., or another extension.

Hoping I can do this fairly easily.

Glenn


moderated Re: eMail Server

Glenn / Lenny
 

A friend of mine has that, but he is not computer savvy enough to do it himself, so he is probably paying someone to do it.
Where is a good place to find out if a domain is available?
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: eMail Server

You buy the lastname.net domain, pay someone to host that domain, and hope they allow you to set up email. Or you become skilled at server maintenance and host it yourself. Yes, either is doable with JAWS.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 13, 2021 8:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: eMail Server

 

Hi,

My ISP will soon be discontinuing eMail service, and although I think that is a mistake on their part, because my eMail account has been the only thing tying me to them, I'm never the less going to have to get a new eMail provider, probably Outlook.com.

But before I definitely go that route, I want to know how someone gets an eMail address like first@..., or another extension.

Hoping I can do this fairly easily.

Glenn


moderated Re: eMail Server

James Homuth
 

You buy the lastname.net domain, pay someone to host that domain, and hope they allow you to set up email. Or you become skilled at server maintenance and host it yourself. Yes, either is doable with JAWS.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 13, 2021 8:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: eMail Server

 

Hi,

My ISP will soon be discontinuing eMail service, and although I think that is a mistake on their part, because my eMail account has been the only thing tying me to them, I'm never the less going to have to get a new eMail provider, probably Outlook.com.

But before I definitely go that route, I want to know how someone gets an eMail address like first@..., or another extension.

Hoping I can do this fairly easily.

Glenn


moderated eMail Server

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
My ISP will soon be discontinuing eMail service, and although I think that is a mistake on their part, because my eMail account has been the only thing tying me to them, I'm never the less going to have to get a new eMail provider, probably Outlook.com.
But before I definitely go that route, I want to know how someone gets an eMail address like first@..., or another extension.
Hoping I can do this fairly easily.
Glenn


moderated Re: Time on email messages is wrong

Marty Hutchings
 

Glenn,  I will check that.

Thanks.

Marty

On 5/13/2021 5:46 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Marty,
I always assumed that the eMail program got the time from the host computer,
but possibly it is getting it from your router.
If so, maybe your router time is wrong.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Time on email messages is wrong


Greg, I have just sent an email from this account to my other account
and it appeared with the time stamp of 1 hour earlier. This is buzzare.

Thanks for any ideas.

Marty

On 5/13/2021 2:35 PM, Greg Daniel wrote:
Marty,

Do you have another email account so that you could use Thunderbird to
send an email message to your second email address in order to inspect the
time-stamp? I ask the question because I just used Thunderbird to send an
email message to my Gmail account in order to check the time-stamp; it was
correct. Although I have no answer for your dilemma yet, I am reaching
out.

Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Time on email messages is wrong

Hello. I am using JAWS 21 with Windows 10 and Thunderbird. I have just
noticed that the times on my email messages is off by 1 hour. My
computer clock is correct, but my emails show a time of 1 hour earlier.
I can't seem to find anything in Thunderbird to change this. I have
tried closing and reopening Thunderbird and restarting my computer, but
no joy. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Marty Hutchings

The Gospel is fully accessible to all.


















moderated Re: Time on email messages is wrong

Glenn / Lenny
 

Actually it does get the time from the host computer.
I had just forgotten that usually after I've rebooted into windows from
having previously been booted into Linux, my windows time is wrong, and
sometimes I forget to change it back until someone eMails me and asks me
which country I'm in.
So the OS changes the BIOS clock, and when windows reboots, in my case, the
clock is wrong, and then my eMails have the wrong time stamp.
But this only addresses Brian's message, as Marty's computer apparently has
the right time, but the eMail's time is wrong.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glennervin@cableone.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Time on email messages is wrong


Marty,
I always assumed that the eMail program got the time from the host computer,
but possibly it is getting it from your router.
If so, maybe your router time is wrong.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Time on email messages is wrong


Greg, I have just sent an email from this account to my other account
and it appeared with the time stamp of 1 hour earlier. This is buzzare.

Thanks for any ideas.

Marty

On 5/13/2021 2:35 PM, Greg Daniel wrote:
Marty,

Do you have another email account so that you could use Thunderbird to
send an email message to your second email address in order to inspect the
time-stamp? I ask the question because I just used Thunderbird to send an
email message to my Gmail account in order to check the time-stamp; it was
correct. Although I have no answer for your dilemma yet, I am reaching
out.

Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Time on email messages is wrong

Hello. I am using JAWS 21 with Windows 10 and Thunderbird. I have just
noticed that the times on my email messages is off by 1 hour. My
computer clock is correct, but my emails show a time of 1 hour earlier.
I can't seem to find anything in Thunderbird to change this. I have
tried closing and reopening Thunderbird and restarting my computer, but
no joy. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Marty Hutchings

The Gospel is fully accessible to all.












moderated Re: Time on email messages is wrong

 

The email server is what most often determines the date-time stamp on an outgoing message in particular, not the local machine time.  It's not uncommon for email servers to be outside one's own time zone.  Check to see where yours is located.

When there are time discrepancies of precisely some hour interval that's where I'd look first.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Time on email messages is wrong

Glenn / Lenny
 

Marty,
I always assumed that the eMail program got the time from the host computer,
but possibly it is getting it from your router.
If so, maybe your router time is wrong.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Hutchings" <mhutchings152730@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Time on email messages is wrong


Greg, I have just sent an email from this account to my other account
and it appeared with the time stamp of 1 hour earlier. This is buzzare.

Thanks for any ideas.

Marty

On 5/13/2021 2:35 PM, Greg Daniel wrote:
Marty,

Do you have another email account so that you could use Thunderbird to
send an email message to your second email address in order to inspect the
time-stamp? I ask the question because I just used Thunderbird to send an
email message to my Gmail account in order to check the time-stamp; it was
correct. Although I have no answer for your dilemma yet, I am reaching
out.

Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty
Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Time on email messages is wrong

Hello. I am using JAWS 21 with Windows 10 and Thunderbird. I have just
noticed that the times on my email messages is off by 1 hour. My
computer clock is correct, but my emails show a time of 1 hour earlier.
I can't seem to find anything in Thunderbird to change this. I have
tried closing and reopening Thunderbird and restarting my computer, but
no joy. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Marty Hutchings

The Gospel is fully accessible to all.












moderated Re: Time on email messages is wrong

Marty Hutchings
 

Greg,  I have just sent an email from this account to my other account and it appeared with the time stamp of 1 hour earlier. This is buzzare.

Thanks for any ideas.

Marty

On 5/13/2021 2:35 PM, Greg Daniel wrote:
Marty,

Do you have another email account so that you could use Thunderbird to send an email message to your second email address in order to inspect the time-stamp? I ask the question because I just used Thunderbird to send an email message to my Gmail account in order to check the time-stamp; it was correct. Although I have no answer for your dilemma yet, I am reaching out.

Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 4:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Time on email messages is wrong

Hello. I am using JAWS 21 with Windows 10 and Thunderbird. I have just
noticed that the times on my email messages is off by 1 hour. My
computer clock is correct, but my emails show a time of 1 hour earlier.
I can't seem to find anything in Thunderbird to change this. I have
tried closing and reopening Thunderbird and restarting my computer, but
no joy. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Marty Hutchings

The Gospel is fully accessible to all.











moderated Re: BIOS

Glenn / Lenny
 

I don't know about that, I have worked with people who don't know what to
read, and don't know about different pages or windows, and if one has never
been inside that computer's BIOS before, you don't know what the headings
are and how things are worded.
Now if someone is familiar with the BIOS on a particular computer, then it
should be pretty easy to guide a non-computer user around.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: BIOS


I am used to providing the competence personally. As long as someone
can recognize selected text that is usually enough.


On 5/13/21, Edward Green <ergreen1981@gmail.com> wrote:
I’ve found from bitter experience that the competence of the local
sightling is a relevant consideration …

At least there's a certain level of competence with the Microsoft
solution.

Obvious a tech savvy local person is optimal.

Cheers,

Ed


On 13 May 2021 21:40:22 "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:

Even better if you can enlist the aid of a local seeing-eye human.
Thankfully needing to go into the BIOS settings has become a much
rarer thing than in the past.

On 5/13/21, Edward Green <ergreen1981@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Marianne,

I use my smartphone to call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk by Be My
Eyes,

and point my phone at the computer screen while they help me manipulate
it.

Strictly speaking the bios is the domain of the computer manufacturer
rather than Microsoft, but I haven’t had an Answer Desk agent refuse to
help.

It goes without saying that I have to point my phone at the screen
because
they can’t remote on and access the bios.

Cheers,

Ed


On 13 May 2021 21:31:07 "Marianne Denning" <marianne@denningweb.com>
wrote:

Sadly, I can't use JAWS when I need to go into the BIOS. Can someone
explain
how they interact with it without a screen reader?










--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com









--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: BIOS

Soronel Haetir
 

I am used to providing the competence personally. As long as someone
can recognize selected text that is usually enough.

On 5/13/21, Edward Green <ergreen1981@gmail.com> wrote:
I’ve found from bitter experience that the competence of the local
sightling is a relevant consideration …

At least there's a certain level of competence with the Microsoft solution.

Obvious a tech savvy local person is optimal.

Cheers,

Ed


On 13 May 2021 21:40:22 "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:

Even better if you can enlist the aid of a local seeing-eye human.
Thankfully needing to go into the BIOS settings has become a much
rarer thing than in the past.

On 5/13/21, Edward Green <ergreen1981@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Marianne,

I use my smartphone to call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk by Be My
Eyes,

and point my phone at the computer screen while they help me manipulate
it.

Strictly speaking the bios is the domain of the computer manufacturer
rather than Microsoft, but I haven’t had an Answer Desk agent refuse to
help.

It goes without saying that I have to point my phone at the screen
because
they can’t remote on and access the bios.

Cheers,

Ed


On 13 May 2021 21:31:07 "Marianne Denning" <marianne@denningweb.com>
wrote:

Sadly, I can't use JAWS when I need to go into the BIOS. Can someone
explain
how they interact with it without a screen reader?










--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com








--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: BIOS

 

It would help to know the exact model of Acer being discussed.  There are so many (as there are for any maker) and what's available is directly dependent on the model itself.

The support pages at Acer.com appear to have come back online again.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: BIOS

 

Hi,

Also, some manufacturers do let you customize function key behavior through their app and/or a key combination (Dynabook (formerly Toshiba) and Lenovo are two OEM’s, known for letting you do one or both of these).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: BIOS

 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:

Sadly, every time there is a Windows update my Acer computer reverts back to the function keys the way they were originally and I have to go into the bios to fix it.

-
You need to contact Acer about this, as the only way this could happen is if they've given a BIOS update to Microsoft, to be applied via UEFI as part of a Windows Update, that is somehow not registering as being already done.

You could also try, at least temporarily, Preventing Windows Update from Updating Device Drivers

It's also very likely that Acer has a "service station" type driver and firmware update monitoring program, and if it does I'd install it and let it take care of BIOS updates.  I just tried finding it at the Acer support site but the site itself seems to be having issues at the moment.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: BIOS

 

On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
Sadly, every time there is a Windows update my Acer computer reverts back to the function keys the way they were originally and I have to go into the bios to fix it.
-
You need to contact Acer about this, as the only way this could happen is if they've given a BIOS update to Microsoft, to be applied via UEFI as part of a Windows Update, that is somehow not registering as being already done.

You could also try, at least temporarily, Preventing Windows Update from Updating Device Drivers

It's also very likely that Acer has a "service station" type driver and firmware update monitoring program, and if it does I'd install it and let it take care of BIOS updates.  I just tried finding it at the Acer support site but the site itself seems to be having issues at the moment.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: BIOS

Marianne Denning
 

I thought somebody might have figured out a way to walk by faith. Thank you for your help. Sadly, every time there is a Windows update my Acer computer reverts back to the function keys the way they were originally and I have to go into the bios to fix it. This is happening to me about once a week at this time. It is getting ridiculous and I am extremely frustrated. I have used my husband and I also use a IRA.


On May 13, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:



Hi Marianne,

I use my smartphone to call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk by Be My Eyes, and point my phone at the computer screen while they help me manipulate it.

Strictly speaking the bios is the domain of the computer manufacturer rather than Microsoft, but I haven’t had an Answer Desk agent refuse to help.

It goes without saying that I have to point my phone at the screen because they can’t remote on and access the bios.

Cheers,

Ed

On 13 May 2021 21:31:07 "Marianne Denning" <marianne@...> wrote:

Sadly, I can’t use JAWS when I need to go into the BIOS. Can someone explain how they interact with it without a screen reader?


moderated Re: BIOS

Glenn / Lenny
 


True, from using Be My Eyes, as the keyboard commands for getting around in the BIOS vary from computer to computer, and are listed at the bottom of the screen, people who have never gone into the BIOS before usually have no idea of where to look for things, like where to find drives or periphiels.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2021 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: BIOS

I’ve found from bitter experience that the competence of the local sightling is a relevant consideration …

At least there's a certain level of competence with the Microsoft solution.

Obvious a tech savvy local person is optimal.

Cheers,

Ed

On 13 May 2021 21:40:22 "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:

Even better if you can enlist the aid of a local seeing-eye human.
Thankfully needing to go into the BIOS settings has become a much
rarer thing than in the past.

On 5/13/21, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:

Hi Marianne,

I use my smartphone to call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk by Be My Eyes,

and point my phone at the computer screen while they help me manipulate it.

Strictly speaking the bios is the domain of the computer manufacturer
rather than Microsoft, but I haven’t had an Answer Desk agent refuse to
help.

It goes without saying that I have to point my phone at the screen because
they can’t remote on and access the bios.

Cheers,

Ed

On 13 May 2021 21:31:07 "Marianne Denning" <marianne@...> wrote:

Sadly, I can't use JAWS when I need to go into the BIOS. Can someone
explain
how they interact with it without a screen reader?








--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...



moderated Re: BIOS

Edward Green
 

I’ve found from bitter experience that the competence of the local sightling is a relevant consideration …

At least there's a certain level of competence with the Microsoft solution.

Obvious a tech savvy local person is optimal.

Cheers,

Ed

On 13 May 2021 21:40:22 "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:

Even better if you can enlist the aid of a local seeing-eye human.
Thankfully needing to go into the BIOS settings has become a much
rarer thing than in the past.

On 5/13/21, Edward Green <ergreen1981@...> wrote:

Hi Marianne,

I use my smartphone to call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk by Be My Eyes,

and point my phone at the computer screen while they help me manipulate it.

Strictly speaking the bios is the domain of the computer manufacturer
rather than Microsoft, but I haven’t had an Answer Desk agent refuse to
help.

It goes without saying that I have to point my phone at the screen because
they can’t remote on and access the bios.

Cheers,

Ed

On 13 May 2021 21:31:07 "Marianne Denning" <marianne@...> wrote:

Sadly, I can't use JAWS when I need to go into the BIOS. Can someone
explain
how they interact with it without a screen reader?








--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


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