Hi again Sieghard. The use of the symbols ;-) denote a sarcastic smiley face. That's what Brian was trying to get across. When he said, "Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations," He is poking fun at people who are like ostriches with their heads in the sand, and who, despite overwhelming facts to the contrary, believe what they want to, no matter how unreasonable their assertion may be.

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

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Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

Hi all:

I have the latest JAWS and my Windows 10 updates are current.

When I run Edge, and I download a file, JAWS now does not repeat download status.

In the past, this has been annoying, at times, because those alerts interrupt any other speech.  But, it am now unaware if/when a download finishes.

I found that the alerts are still spoken with Chrome.

Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi all:

I have the latest JAWS and my Windows 10 updates are current.

When I run Edge, and I download a file, JAWS now does not repeat download status.

In the past, this has been annoying, at times, because those alerts interrupt any other speech.  But, it am now unaware if/when a download finishes.

I found that the alerts are still spoken with Chrome.

Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi everyone,

 

For anyone having trouble with Capsha’s, although not a perfect solution, there is always Aira or be my eyes, you can call them and have them help you solve the capsha for you. both services are available on most smart phones, so you show the agent your screen and the visual capsha, they can then tell you what to type. with Aira they can even connect directly too your PC through team viewer and solve the capsha for you. Again, I appreciate in an ideal world  that we shouldn’t need to rely on a third party  service and all capsha’s should automatically have an audio option, but sadly that isn’t the case. I also totally appreciate just how frustrating it is to come across a Capsha without an audio option or if the audio is too difficult to understand, as mentioned previously I know Be my eyes and Aira aren’t a perfect solution, but I just wanted to share details about the services to anyone who didn’t already know about the two companies, as a possible work around when people encounter inaccessible capsha’s. Be my eyes is free, Aira although a subscription service, in a lot of countries they offer 1 free five minute call a day for non-subscribed members, which comes in really handy for the odd capsha which you need help with to solve.

 

Paul Lemm

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: 25 April 2021 05:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I too have trouble with the audio challenges.  I wear hearing aids, and it is usually very difficult to understand half of what’s being said.

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

 

Randy Barnett

On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

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By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this.  They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text.  If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons.  These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA.

I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters.  It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too.  To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch.  It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea).  When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

Hi All

I've noticed in the last few days that every time I bring up a list of
links, headings etc, JAWS is speaking "JAWS Version 2021.2103.174 ILM" Not
sure if I've hit some random key stroke to turn this on. I have been running
this version for a couple of weeks and this only started on Thursday. Any
suggestions appreciated?

Mark Fisher
Manager - People Systems
Water Corporation

Is Notepad++ text editor accessible using Jaws 2021 and is it free? I like Jarte a lot but even when including "screen reader mode" the program is not working very well for me.

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

Then you should tell this to Blind Bargains as they recommend this product and even featured it on a podcast.

Microsoft's OneDrive and Google Drive are both good options, and additional space can be added, if needed, inexpensively.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide