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moderated Re: free space issue questions

Dave Durber
 

John:

If he has the restore function turned on, the default percentage of disk space for storing any restore points, is 4% of disk space.

Just in case some users on the list who do not know, when you install Windows 10, the restore function is not turned on by default.

HTH

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: free space issue questions


If you have a lot of small files, the used space will look smaller
than your actual space. Also, you might have a lot of restore points,
which I think are not counted.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 02:44:11 -0400,
Juan Hernandez wrote:

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HI All,



I know this isn't fully a jaws help question, but I'm hoping someone in it
or computer tech is experienced with this issue.



I have an ssd, which is my main windows 10 boot drive, it is around 475gb in
total space. Windows eexplorer says I got around 45 gb free.



Now, when I select all, and do a shift+f10, and click on properties, it
updates and says that all of those files take up around 250gb.



I know that there are system folders/files that aren't covered in that
report, so I did a chkdsk, and my report is below:



Windows PowerShell

Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6



Warning: PowerShell detected that you might be using a screen reader and has
disabled PSReadLine for compatibility purposes. If you want to re-enable it,
run 'Import-Module PSReadLine'.



PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> chkdsk

The type of the file system is NTFS.

Volume label is Windows.



WARNING! /F parameter not specified.

Running CHKDSK in read-only mode.



Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ...

2541312 file records processed.

File verification completed.

Phase duration (File record verification): 6.33 seconds.

10639 large file records processed.

Phase duration (Orphan file record recovery): 0.00 milliseconds.

0 bad file records processed.

Phase duration (Bad file record checking): 3.00 milliseconds.



Stage 2: Examining file name linkage ...

870 reparse records processed.

2923602 index entries processed.

Index verification completed.

Phase duration (Index verification): 17.60 seconds.

0 unindexed files scanned.

Phase duration (Orphan reconnection): 14.47 seconds.

0 unindexed files recovered to lost and found.

Phase duration (Orphan recovery to lost and found): 1.49 milliseconds.

870 reparse records processed.

Phase duration (Reparse point and Object ID verification): 11.31
milliseconds.



Stage 3: Examining security descriptors ...

Security descriptor verification completed.

Phase duration (Security descriptor verification): 63.17 milliseconds.

191146 data files processed.

Phase duration (Data attribute verification): 1.47 milliseconds.

CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...

35398624 USN bytes processed.

Usn Journal verification completed.

Phase duration (USN journal verification): 84.52 milliseconds.



Windows has scanned the file system and found no problems.

No further action is required.



498980795 KB total disk space.

442392864 KB in 923432 files.

633812 KB in 191147 indexes.

0 KB in bad sectors.

2671931 KB in use by the system.

65536 KB occupied by the log file.

53282188 KB available on disk.



4096 bytes in each allocation unit.

124745198 total allocation units on disk.

13320547 allocation units available on disk.

Total duration: 38.60 seconds (38602 ms).

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>



Now, the summery at the end goes over my total space, I added all of the
used items; and got



445764143 kb which is around 436gb



My issue is the above summery doesn't account for the nearly 200gb that is
not accounted for in the chkdsk summery, I can't imagine that I have 200gb
of files hidden etc.



Could someone please maybe give me some more pointers of where I can check?
And just for clearning things up I ran disk cleaner, got rid of all cashed
files, recycle bin, etc.



I hope some can bring some light to my issue.



Best,



Juan








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moderated Re: capsha

Gerald Levy
 


For anyone who cares, Webvisum, the image captcha solving add on for Firefox still works with Firefox 52 ESR.  If you are already using the latest version of Firefoxwith which Webvisum does not work, you can download the portable version of Firefox 52 ESR, install Webvisum and use it any time you encounter an image captcha like the type that asks you to enter a distorted string of characters into an edit field. Webvisum still solves these types of captchas most of the time.  


Gerald



On 4/25/2021 6:35 AM, leonard morris wrote:
The problem with playing the capsha over and over to try and understand the audio is you are often timed out and you will need to get a new challenge anyway.

On 4/25/2021 5:22 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Paul,

 

No, I have never heard about this.  I’ll try using the Control key the very next time that I get an audio chalenge.

 

By the way, I have noticed on much more than just one occasion, that the more I ask for different challanges, the easier the challenges become to solve.  Sometimes, the challenge changes from ridiculous to extremely easy in around 3 attempts.

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Hi,

 

Not Sure if you already knew this, but most modern audio Capsha’s these days when in the edit field where you type your answer, you can replay the audio again by simply pressing CTRL on your keyboard, this comes in really handy if you don’t get  the capsha first time and need to listen to the audio capsha a few times, just press ctrl each time you want to hear it played again. Hopefully this is easier than having to find the play button each time or having to record the capsha on a separate digital recorder to replay the audio capsha.

 

Paul Lemert the audio recording if not it might save the hassle of having to record the audio capsha on a digital recorder each time,  but most modern audio capsha’s these days, when in the  edit field where you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: 25 April 2021 09:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I record the stupid things with a hand held digital recorder.  My hearing isn’t the best.  Sometimes, I have to play the recording back 2 or 3 times before I get it right.  The recording seems to take the stress out of the situation.

 

All stay safe,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them.  I have never gone  wrong using headphones.  When working on my computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
--

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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

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moderated Re: capsha

leonard morris
 

The problem with playing the capsha over and over to try and understand the audio is you are often timed out and you will need to get a new challenge anyway.

On 4/25/2021 5:22 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Paul,

 

No, I have never heard about this.  I’ll try using the Control key the very next time that I get an audio chalenge.

 

By the way, I have noticed on much more than just one occasion, that the more I ask for different challanges, the easier the challenges become to solve.  Sometimes, the challenge changes from ridiculous to extremely easy in around 3 attempts.

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Hi,

 

Not Sure if you already knew this, but most modern audio Capsha’s these days when in the edit field where you type your answer, you can replay the audio again by simply pressing CTRL on your keyboard, this comes in really handy if you don’t get  the capsha first time and need to listen to the audio capsha a few times, just press ctrl each time you want to hear it played again. Hopefully this is easier than having to find the play button each time or having to record the capsha on a separate digital recorder to replay the audio capsha.

 

Paul Lemert the audio recording if not it might save the hassle of having to record the audio capsha on a digital recorder each time,  but most modern audio capsha’s these days, when in the  edit field where you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: 25 April 2021 09:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I record the stupid things with a hand held digital recorder.  My hearing isn’t the best.  Sometimes, I have to play the recording back 2 or 3 times before I get it right.  The recording seems to take the stress out of the situation.

 

All stay safe,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them.  I have never gone  wrong using headphones.  When working on my computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com



moderated Re: capsha

James Bentley
 

Hi Paul,

 

No, I have never heard about this.  I’ll try using the Control key the very next time that I get an audio chalenge.

 

By the way, I have noticed on much more than just one occasion, that the more I ask for different challanges, the easier the challenges become to solve.  Sometimes, the challenge changes from ridiculous to extremely easy in around 3 attempts.

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Hi,

 

Not Sure if you already knew this, but most modern audio Capsha’s these days when in the edit field where you type your answer, you can replay the audio again by simply pressing CTRL on your keyboard, this comes in really handy if you don’t get  the capsha first time and need to listen to the audio capsha a few times, just press ctrl each time you want to hear it played again. Hopefully this is easier than having to find the play button each time or having to record the capsha on a separate digital recorder to replay the audio capsha.

 

Paul Lemert the audio recording if not it might save the hassle of having to record the audio capsha on a digital recorder each time,  but most modern audio capsha’s these days, when in the  edit field where you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: 25 April 2021 09:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I record the stupid things with a hand held digital recorder.  My hearing isn’t the best.  Sometimes, I have to play the recording back 2 or 3 times before I get it right.  The recording seems to take the stress out of the situation.

 

All stay safe,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them.  I have never gone  wrong using headphones.  When working on my computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: capsha

paul lemm
 

Hi,

 

Not Sure if you already knew this, but most modern audio Capsha’s these days when in the edit field where you type your answer, you can replay the audio again by simply pressing CTRL on your keyboard, this comes in really handy if you don’t get  the capsha first time and need to listen to the audio capsha a few times, just press ctrl each time you want to hear it played again. Hopefully this is easier than having to find the play button each time or having to record the capsha on a separate digital recorder to replay the audio capsha.

 

Paul Lemert the audio recording if not it might save the hassle of having to record the audio capsha on a digital recorder each time,  but most modern audio capsha’s these days, when in the  edit field where you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: 25 April 2021 09:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I record the stupid things with a hand held digital recorder.  My hearing isn’t the best.  Sometimes, I have to play the recording back 2 or 3 times before I get it right.  The recording seems to take the stress out of the situation.

 

All stay safe,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them.  I have never gone  wrong using headphones.  When working on my computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: capsha

James Bentley
 

I record the stupid things with a hand held digital recorder.  My hearing isn’t the best.  Sometimes, I have to play the recording back 2 or 3 times before I get it right.  The recording seems to take the stress out of the situation.

 

All stay safe,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them.  I have never gone  wrong using headphones.  When working on my computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: capsha

paul lemm
 

Hi everyone,

 

For anyone having trouble with Capsha’s, although not a perfect solution, there is always Aira or be my eyes, you can call them and have them help you solve the capsha for you. both services are available on most smart phones, so you show the agent your screen and the visual capsha, they can then tell you what to type. with Aira they can even connect directly too your PC through team viewer and solve the capsha for you. Again, I appreciate in an ideal world  that we shouldn’t need to rely on a third party  service and all capsha’s should automatically have an audio option, but sadly that isn’t the case. I also totally appreciate just how frustrating it is to come across a Capsha without an audio option or if the audio is too difficult to understand, as mentioned previously I know Be my eyes and Aira aren’t a perfect solution, but I just wanted to share details about the services to anyone who didn’t already know about the two companies, as a possible work around when people encounter inaccessible capsha’s. Be my eyes is free, Aira although a subscription service, in a lot of countries they offer 1 free five minute call a day for non-subscribed members, which comes in really handy for the odd capsha which you need help with to solve.

 

Paul Lemm

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: 25 April 2021 05:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I too have trouble with the audio challenges.  I wear hearing aids, and it is usually very difficult to understand half of what’s being said.

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

 

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this.  They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text.  If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons.  These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA.

I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters.  It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too.  To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch.  It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea).  When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. 
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           ~ André Gide

 


moderated Re: capsha

leonard morris
 

Never thought of that that’s a good idea

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Angel <angel238@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 3:03:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: capsha
 

I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them.  I have never gone  wrong using headphones.  When working on my computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
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moderated Re: capsha

Angel
 

I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them.  I have never gone  wrong using headphones.  When working on my computer. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
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           ~ André Gide

 


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moderated Re: How do I disable JAWS 2021 auto start reading messages when I open them in Outlook 365?

Don Risavy, Jr. <djrisavyjr@...>
 

Well if you use the jaws quick settings command insert v you can arrow down where you will find read commands and then arrow down to messages read automatically and uncheck it.

So see if that works and were looking for.

Thanks.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 24, 2021 2:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I disable JAWS 2021 auto start reading messages when I open them in Outlook 365?

 

I unchecked the documents and web pages read automatically under the web/html/pdf  section under reading and it works fine.

This assumes your email messages are in html format.

But, if not, they would be treated as documents, so it should apply there as well.

 

I am not finding a specific setting just for email.

 

Someone more knowledgeable than me; of whom there are tons, may know something else.

 

 

 

Richard

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- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Minor
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How do I disable JAWS 2021 auto start reading messages when I open them in Outlook 365?

 

Hi.

 

I looked in JAWS commands for this, but all I’m finding is for web pages and PDF documents. This doesn’t work with email.

 

Thanks in advance for the help.

 

Kevin and Jilly


moderated Re: capsha

Melissa Stott <mstott789@...>
 

I too have trouble with the audio challenges.  I wear hearing aids, and it is usually very difficult to understand half of what’s being said.

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

 

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this.  They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text.  If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons.  These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA.

I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters.  It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too.  To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch.  It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea).  When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. 
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moderated Re: capsha

Glenn / Lenny
 


I Know, that's right!
I sometimes am not sure which words to enter and which ones to leave out.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: capsha

When it comes to audio captcha the kind I really find totally unaccessible is when the person is saying words but there is a lot of spoken audio in the background.

On 4/25/2021 11:06 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:


Randy Barnett

On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.
-
By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this.  They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text.  If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons.  These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA.

I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters.  It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too.  To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch.  It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea).  When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide



moderated Re: capsha

leonard morris
 

When it comes to audio captcha the kind I really find totally unaccessible is when the person is saying words but there is a lot of spoken audio in the background.

On 4/25/2021 11:06 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:


Randy Barnett

On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.
-
By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this.  They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text.  If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons.  These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA.

I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters.  It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too.  To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch.  It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea).  When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide



moderated Re: capsha

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 



Randy Barnett

On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.
-
By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this.  They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text.  If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons.  These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA.

I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters.  It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too.  To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch.  It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea).  When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett

On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.
-
Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated JAWS 2021 - Version And ILM Key Being Announced When List Of Links Is being Displayed.

Mark Fisher
 

Hi All

I've noticed in the last few days that every time I bring up a list of links, headings etc, JAWS is speaking "JAWS Version 2021.2103.174 ILM"  Not sure if I've hit some random key stroke to turn this on. I have been running this version for a couple of weeks and this only started on Thursday. Any suggestions appreciated?


Mark Fisher
Manager - People Systems
Water Corporation


moderated JAWS and Qbraille with bluetooth connection

Marianne Denning
 

I have the latest version of JAWS and I want to connect my Qbraille through Bluetooth. I follow the directions in the Qbraille manual but when I go to advanced and advanced in JAWS I can’t find where to put in the comport number. The Qbraille will not connect. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?


moderated Re: capsha

Don Walls
 

Brian, you are consistent with your practice, so it’s easy just to tab to your reply to a previous email.
 
Don
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 1:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha
 
On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
Your messages are not appearing at the top of your messages.
-
And that's by intent.  In a long topic or one where multiple participants are engaged, it is impossible to know exactly who or what is being replied to without a snippet retained from the message being replied to, like here.

It's common practice to do so, I know that some don't like it, but I have no intention of changing that practice, as many do.  The auto-quoting mechanism in most places, including Groups.io, gives you a line with the date time-stamp of the quoted message as well as the sender's identity.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

Madison Martin
 

The captchas that I really hate are the ones that have the codes that you have to type in as Jaws doesn’t read them, is there a way I can get this to happen? Most of the time these don’t seem to have an audio challenge and if there is one then it’s really hard to understand, the voice I mean. I like it way  better when it’s words that you have to type.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: April 24, 2021 4:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Oh, Didn't know.

 

I'll have to investigate that more.

 

Had no idea.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

Your messages are not appearing at the top of your messages.

-
And that's by intent.  In a long topic or one where multiple participants are engaged, it is impossible to know exactly who or what is being replied to without a snippet retained from the message being replied to, like here.

It's common practice to do so, I know that some don't like it, but I have no intention of changing that practice, as many do.  The auto-quoting mechanism in most places, including Groups.io, gives you a line with the date time-stamp of the quoted message as well as the sender's identity.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

Justin Williams
 

Oh, Didn't know.

 

I'll have to investigate that more.

 

Had no idea.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 4:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 04:49 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

Your messages are not appearing at the top of your messages.

-
And that's by intent.  In a long topic or one where multiple participants are engaged, it is impossible to know exactly who or what is being replied to without a snippet retained from the message being replied to, like here.

It's common practice to do so, I know that some don't like it, but I have no intention of changing that practice, as many do.  The auto-quoting mechanism in most places, including Groups.io, gives you a line with the date time-stamp of the quoted message as well as the sender's identity.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

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