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moderated Re: capsha

Milton Ota
 

Hello,

 

The last that I know, there is nothing accessible. One would have to use either Be My Eyes with a smart phone or Aira.

 

 

Milton Ota

ICAN Island Computer Access Now

4273 Coventry Dr., S.

Unit E

Fargo, ND 58104-4498

 

Ph: (701) 731-0511

Email: mota1252@...

 

               

 


moderated Re: capsha

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 01:10 PM, Ryan McManomy wrote:
Hi all is there anything out there for capsha?
-
The use of Captcha as though it is one thing is not representative.  It's a function that has multiple implementations.

An example of a website on which you're having an issue with a Captcha is the only real way to know what is actually being dealt with.  There is no "one size fits all" method for dealing with Captchas, and hasn't been for quite a while.
 
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moderated capsha

Ryan McManomy
 

Hi all is there anything out there for capsha?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 




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moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Richard Turner
 

Thanks John,
I went into the client login panel of my hosting service and updated the certificate.
I don't have anything that asks or reveals personal information like logins or credit cards, so I don't bother using https so I am hoping that just by updating the certificate, that will stop the warnings.
https://www.turner42.com works just as well as http://www.turner42.com

So, fingers crossed.


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 2:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Richard, you need to have a valid certificate and get https working, that will get rid of that warning. If you just install the appropriate lets encrypt packages, in most distributions, the system can rewrite http queries to https ones.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 00:01:49 -0400,
Richard Turner wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (base64)>]
Thanks for that.
I am not sure what I need to do to get rid of that warning; but I get it on lots of other sites too.
I'm glad the description was helpful.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbd93b038b39e4a70b54208d907074ed8%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548550234907426%7CUnkno
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u6DeJo%3D&amp;reserved=0


On Apr 23, 2021, at 8:00 PM, leonard morris <lmorris1953@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you for the audio description of the braille display appreciate it. However, when the page is loading in it’s almost completed I get a not secured statement I’m Safari. I hope this is not a problem for you doesn’t seem to be a real issue with the site I just thought you might want to be aware of it.

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.
________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard
Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:42:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?


I put up my own audio description of the Orbit Reader 40 along with my attempt at a recording of the two keyboards being used to compare the sound levels.

You can find them on my web site under the Orbit Research Information page, here:

Orbit Research Information
(turner42.com)<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http
%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2FOrbitResearchInformation.html&amp;data=04%
7C01%7C%7Cbd93b038b39e4a70b54208d907074ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaa
aaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548550234907426%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiM
C4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;s
data=8RkhvJgJoOJvEahemlX1t5NP2cbAM2ACP6ftaIbxp%2Fk%3D&amp;reserved=0>



HTH,



Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site:
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rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbd93b038b39e4a70b54208d907074ed8%7
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?



This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,





Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?



There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbd93b038b39e4a70b54208d907074ed8%7
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6ei293beMlpOMfA0JssrR%2Fm6expp9gsiw%3D&amp;reserved=0>



I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.







Richard

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt



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rner42.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbd93b038b39e4a70b54208d907074ed8%7
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On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com<mailto:cristobalmuli@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fbraille-apple-products%2Forbit-reader-40-audio-volume-level-examples&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbd93b038b39e4a70b54208d907074ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548550234917390%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=0e7mlyj3%2B2%2FjC1STtRrFW1pan6cyuOKxacw6ZXcuQ7E%3D&amp;reserved=0> than anything else. I did find one YouTube video,<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvmbvLsoCe7o&;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cbd93b038b39e4a70b54208d907074ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548550234917390%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Hk7MfraX64Gwhw7zcIhx3q4uYzF91QWQDvm941qm7zA%3D&amp;reserved=0> but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal









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moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Richard Turner
 

Leonard,

Would you check my site again and see if you get the security warning?

I updated the SSL certificate and would appreciate knowing if it did the trick.

It is somewhat meaningless since I have no login places, credit cards, or other personal information; but it does cause people to question the safety of browsing.

Thanks again,

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 8:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

Thank you for the audio description of the braille display appreciate it. However, when the page is loading in it’s almost completed I get a not secured statement I’m Safari. I hope this is not a problem for you doesn’t seem to be a real issue with the site I just thought you might want to be aware of it.

 

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:42:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

I put up my own audio description of the Orbit Reader 40 along with my attempt at a recording of the two keyboards being used to compare the sound levels.

You can find them on my web site under the Orbit Research Information page, here:

Orbit Research Information (turner42.com)

 

HTH,

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information. 

 

I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.

 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 

 

On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: free space issue questions

John Covici
 

If you have a lot of small files, the used space will look smaller
than your actual space. Also, you might have a lot of restore points,
which I think are not counted.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 02:44:11 -0400,
Juan Hernandez wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (7bit)>]
HI All,



I know this isn't fully a jaws help question, but I'm hoping someone in it
or computer tech is experienced with this issue.



I have an ssd, which is my main windows 10 boot drive, it is around 475gb in
total space. Windows eexplorer says I got around 45 gb free.



Now, when I select all, and do a shift+f10, and click on properties, it
updates and says that all of those files take up around 250gb.



I know that there are system folders/files that aren't covered in that
report, so I did a chkdsk, and my report is below:



Windows PowerShell

Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6



Warning: PowerShell detected that you might be using a screen reader and has
disabled PSReadLine for compatibility purposes. If you want to re-enable it,
run 'Import-Module PSReadLine'.



PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> chkdsk

The type of the file system is NTFS.

Volume label is Windows.



WARNING! /F parameter not specified.

Running CHKDSK in read-only mode.



Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ...

2541312 file records processed.

File verification completed.

Phase duration (File record verification): 6.33 seconds.

10639 large file records processed.

Phase duration (Orphan file record recovery): 0.00 milliseconds.

0 bad file records processed.

Phase duration (Bad file record checking): 3.00 milliseconds.



Stage 2: Examining file name linkage ...

870 reparse records processed.

2923602 index entries processed.

Index verification completed.

Phase duration (Index verification): 17.60 seconds.

0 unindexed files scanned.

Phase duration (Orphan reconnection): 14.47 seconds.

0 unindexed files recovered to lost and found.

Phase duration (Orphan recovery to lost and found): 1.49 milliseconds.

870 reparse records processed.

Phase duration (Reparse point and Object ID verification): 11.31
milliseconds.



Stage 3: Examining security descriptors ...

Security descriptor verification completed.

Phase duration (Security descriptor verification): 63.17 milliseconds.

191146 data files processed.

Phase duration (Data attribute verification): 1.47 milliseconds.

CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...

35398624 USN bytes processed.

Usn Journal verification completed.

Phase duration (USN journal verification): 84.52 milliseconds.



Windows has scanned the file system and found no problems.

No further action is required.



498980795 KB total disk space.

442392864 KB in 923432 files.

633812 KB in 191147 indexes.

0 KB in bad sectors.

2671931 KB in use by the system.

65536 KB occupied by the log file.

53282188 KB available on disk.



4096 bytes in each allocation unit.

124745198 total allocation units on disk.

13320547 allocation units available on disk.

Total duration: 38.60 seconds (38602 ms).

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>



Now, the summery at the end goes over my total space, I added all of the
used items; and got



445764143 kb which is around 436gb



My issue is the above summery doesn't account for the nearly 200gb that is
not accounted for in the chkdsk summery, I can't imagine that I have 200gb
of files hidden etc.



Could someone please maybe give me some more pointers of where I can check?
And just for clearning things up I ran disk cleaner, got rid of all cashed
files, recycle bin, etc.



I hope some can bring some light to my issue.



Best,



Juan








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How do
you spend it?

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moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

John Covici
 

Richard, you need to have a valid certificate and get https working,
that will get rid of that warning. If you just install the
appropriate lets encrypt packages, in most distributions, the system
can rewrite http queries to https ones.

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 00:01:49 -0400,
Richard Turner wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (base64)>]
Thanks for that.
I am not sure what I need to do to get rid of that warning; but I get it on lots of other sites too.
I'm glad the description was helpful.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 23, 2021, at 8:00 PM, leonard morris <lmorris1953@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you for the audio description of the braille display appreciate it. However, when the page is loading in it’s almost completed I get a not secured statement I’m Safari. I hope this is not a problem for you doesn’t seem to be a real issue with the site I just thought you might want to be aware of it.

Every country has an identity, history, custom, and culture. It’s a unique landscape in determining how its people Live, work, and play.
________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:42:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?


I put up my own audio description of the Orbit Reader 40 along with my attempt at a recording of the two keyboards being used to compare the sound levels.

You can find them on my web site under the Orbit Research Information page, here:

Orbit Research Information (turner42.com)<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2FOrbitResearchInformation.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca8513ec098364610ec3308d906cd28c1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548300483354357%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=khdhtrS8fMTIAGwu6ev7RLOofUZuI6uHETePtU9sN1w%3D&reserved=0>



HTH,



Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?



This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,





Cristóbal



From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?



There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information.

www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca8513ec098364610ec3308d906cd28c1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548300483364195%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=JCZ%2BNDU123MRMO4A1Iya%2Fn%2FDGbz9JtM2807T14bIMjQ%3D&reserved=0>



I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.







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On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com<mailto:cristobalmuli@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fbraille-apple-products%2Forbit-reader-40-audio-volume-level-examples&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca8513ec098364610ec3308d906cd28c1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548300483374149%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=vTbo9fq5GK8EDOXBE5a1JXDy5LnpPxgy7F8de%2FrE9F8%3D&reserved=0> than anything else. I did find one YouTube video,<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvmbvLsoCe7o&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ca8513ec098364610ec3308d906cd28c1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548300483374149%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Fp933vjw7v9d8rx6gJ8%2BcRaRVXBBI1OEwV3%2BYFa3l8E%3D&reserved=0> but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal









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moderated free space issue questions

Juan Hernandez
 

HI All,

 

I know this isn’t fully a jaws help question, but I’m hoping someone in it or computer tech is experienced with this issue.

 

I have an ssd, which is my main windows 10 boot drive, it is around 475gb in total space.  Windows eexplorer says I got around 45 gb free.

 

Now, when I select all, and do a shift+f10, and click on properties, it updates and says that all of those files take up around 250gb.

 

I know that there are system folders/files that aren’t covered in that report, so I did a chkdsk, and my report is below:

 

Windows PowerShell

Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

 

Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6

 

Warning: PowerShell detected that you might be using a screen reader and has disabled PSReadLine for compatibility purposes. If you want to re-enable it, run 'Import-Module PSReadLine'.

 

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> chkdsk

The type of the file system is NTFS.

Volume label is Windows.

 

WARNING!  /F parameter not specified.

Running CHKDSK in read-only mode.

 

Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ...

  2541312 file records processed.

File verification completed.

Phase duration (File record verification): 6.33 seconds.

  10639 large file records processed.

Phase duration (Orphan file record recovery): 0.00 milliseconds.

  0 bad file records processed.

Phase duration (Bad file record checking): 3.00 milliseconds.

 

Stage 2: Examining file name linkage ...

  870 reparse records processed.

  2923602 index entries processed.

Index verification completed.

Phase duration (Index verification): 17.60 seconds.

  0 unindexed files scanned.

Phase duration (Orphan reconnection): 14.47 seconds.

  0 unindexed files recovered to lost and found.

Phase duration (Orphan recovery to lost and found): 1.49 milliseconds.

  870 reparse records processed.

Phase duration (Reparse point and Object ID verification): 11.31 milliseconds.

 

Stage 3: Examining security descriptors ...

Security descriptor verification completed.

Phase duration (Security descriptor verification): 63.17 milliseconds.

  191146 data files processed.

Phase duration (Data attribute verification): 1.47 milliseconds.

CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...

  35398624 USN bytes processed.

Usn Journal verification completed.

Phase duration (USN journal verification): 84.52 milliseconds.

 

Windows has scanned the file system and found no problems.

No further action is required.

 

498980795 KB total disk space.

442392864 KB in 923432 files.

    633812 KB in 191147 indexes.

         0 KB in bad sectors.

   2671931 KB in use by the system.

     65536 KB occupied by the log file.

  53282188 KB available on disk.

 

      4096 bytes in each allocation unit.

124745198 total allocation units on disk.

  13320547 allocation units available on disk.

Total duration: 38.60 seconds (38602 ms).

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

 

Now, the summery at the end goes over my total space, I added all of the used items; and got

 

445764143 kb which is around 436gb

 

My issue is the above summery doesn’t account for the nearly 200gb that is not accounted for in the chkdsk summery, I can’t imagine that I have 200gb of files hidden etc.

 

Could someone please maybe give me some more pointers of where I can check?  And just for clearning things up I ran disk cleaner, got rid of all cashed files, recycle bin, etc. 

 

I hope some can bring some light to my issue.

 

Best,

 

Juan

 


moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Justin Williams
 

Braille is absolutely, amazing.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 6:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

Adding to Justin’s comments:

 

Perfect for detailed proofreading. Unlike Justin, I read extensively with my Focus operaring sas a display. If I want standalone reading, I use another device. This extensive reading goes with my job, and because I also find prolonged and intensive reliance upon synthetic speech alone very fatiguing.

 

I have to provide comment on much of what I read for work, so braille display use ensures that I follow any conventions used in documentation such as case sensitivity, spelling etc.

 

Finally: for those of us with hearing loss, keeping braille skills sharp and using braille display technology is essential.

 

Vaughan.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

I have a focus 40.

 

I find them very useful for reading notes, and for doing presentations.

Good for reading short passages.

 

Not great for me, and this is just personal for reading an entire book.

I am a braille reader from birth, but I find the display kind of clunky for prolonged reading, but I don't have an 80 cell which I would assume to be better than my 40 cell for reading, so maybe the 80 would be better.

 

But, it is incredibly useful.

 

 

Great for a customer service agent.

Great for employment flexibility.

 

I would hesitate on acquiring one if I was not a fluid braille user, or if you can't really see a way it could improve you.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

Hello,

 

What is the difference between a reader and a Braille display?

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

 There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.

 

On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Richard Turner
 

Thanks for that.
I am not sure what I need to do to get rid of that warning; but I get it on lots of other sites too.
I'm glad the description was helpful.



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On Apr 23, 2021, at 8:00 PM, leonard morris <lmorris1953@...> wrote:


Thank you for the audio description of the braille display appreciate it. However, when the page is loading in it’s almost completed I get a not secured statement I’m Safari. I hope this is not a problem for you doesn’t seem to be a real issue with the site I just thought you might want to be aware of it.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:42:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?
 

I put up my own audio description of the Orbit Reader 40 along with my attempt at a recording of the two keyboards being used to compare the sound levels.

You can find them on my web site under the Orbit Research Information page, here:

Orbit Research Information (turner42.com)

 

HTH,

 

Richard

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Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information. 

 

I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.

 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 

 

On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Cohn, Jonathan
 

One last thing for me on this conversation. If you are still learning braille and 'use JAWS,  I believe that the Focus displays have 2 routing keys and that one of these keys can be used for a braille tutor function. I seem to remember seeing something about this at least in the JAWS keymaps. 



On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Madison Martin <madisonmartin463@...> wrote:



I also have a Focus 40 display and couldn’t emagine not having a braille display since I’ve used one for as long as I’ve used a computer. I find them very useful for editing, especially if you get one with cursor routing buttons. I do hope that the responses that you’ve received will help you with your decsion. For you or anyone else who’s interested here’s the subscription address for the braille display users list that Johnathan mentioned:

braille-display-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

 

Good luck with your decsion!!   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd
Sent: April 23, 2021 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

Adding to Justin’s comments:

 

Perfect for detailed proofreading. Unlike Justin, I read extensively with my Focus operaring sas a display. If I want standalone reading, I use another device. This extensive reading goes with my job, and because I also find prolonged and intensive reliance upon synthetic speech alone very fatiguing.

 

I have to provide comment on much of what I read for work, so braille display use ensures that I follow any conventions used in documentation such as case sensitivity, spelling etc.

 

Finally: for those of us with hearing loss, keeping braille skills sharp and using braille display technology is essential.

 

Vaughan.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

I have a focus 40.

 

I find them very useful for reading notes, and for doing presentations.

Good for reading short passages.

 

Not great for me, and this is just personal for reading an entire book.

I am a braille reader from birth, but I find the display kind of clunky for prolonged reading, but I don't have an 80 cell which I would assume to be better than my 40 cell for reading, so maybe the 80 would be better.

 

But, it is incredibly useful.

 

 

Great for a customer service agent.

Great for employment flexibility.

 

I would hesitate on acquiring one if I was not a fluid braille user, or if you can't really see a way it could improve you.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

Hello,

 

What is the difference between a reader and a Braille display?

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

 There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.

 

On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

leonard morris
 

Thank you for the audio description of the braille display appreciate it. However, when the page is loading in it’s almost completed I get a not secured statement I’m Safari. I hope this is not a problem for you doesn’t seem to be a real issue with the site I just thought you might want to be aware of it.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:42:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?
 

I put up my own audio description of the Orbit Reader 40 along with my attempt at a recording of the two keyboards being used to compare the sound levels.

You can find them on my web site under the Orbit Research Information page, here:

Orbit Research Information (turner42.com)

 

HTH,

 

Richard

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- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information. 

 

I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.

 

 

 

Richard 

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On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Madison Martin
 

I also have a Focus 40 display and couldn’t emagine not having a braille display since I’ve used one for as long as I’ve used a computer. I find them very useful for editing, especially if you get one with cursor routing buttons. I do hope that the responses that you’ve received will help you with your decsion. For you or anyone else who’s interested here’s the subscription address for the braille display users list that Johnathan mentioned:

braille-display-users+subscribe@groups.io

 

 

Good luck with your decsion!!   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd
Sent: April 23, 2021 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

Adding to Justin’s comments:

 

Perfect for detailed proofreading. Unlike Justin, I read extensively with my Focus operaring sas a display. If I want standalone reading, I use another device. This extensive reading goes with my job, and because I also find prolonged and intensive reliance upon synthetic speech alone very fatiguing.

 

I have to provide comment on much of what I read for work, so braille display use ensures that I follow any conventions used in documentation such as case sensitivity, spelling etc.

 

Finally: for those of us with hearing loss, keeping braille skills sharp and using braille display technology is essential.

 

Vaughan.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

I have a focus 40.

 

I find them very useful for reading notes, and for doing presentations.

Good for reading short passages.

 

Not great for me, and this is just personal for reading an entire book.

I am a braille reader from birth, but I find the display kind of clunky for prolonged reading, but I don't have an 80 cell which I would assume to be better than my 40 cell for reading, so maybe the 80 would be better.

 

But, it is incredibly useful.

 

 

Great for a customer service agent.

Great for employment flexibility.

 

I would hesitate on acquiring one if I was not a fluid braille user, or if you can't really see a way it could improve you.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

Hello,

 

What is the difference between a reader and a Braille display?

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

 There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.

 

On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Vaughan Dodd
 

Adding to Justin’s comments:

 

Perfect for detailed proofreading. Unlike Justin, I read extensively with my Focus operaring sas a display. If I want standalone reading, I use another device. This extensive reading goes with my job, and because I also find prolonged and intensive reliance upon synthetic speech alone very fatiguing.

 

I have to provide comment on much of what I read for work, so braille display use ensures that I follow any conventions used in documentation such as case sensitivity, spelling etc.

 

Finally: for those of us with hearing loss, keeping braille skills sharp and using braille display technology is essential.

 

Vaughan.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

I have a focus 40.

 

I find them very useful for reading notes, and for doing presentations.

Good for reading short passages.

 

Not great for me, and this is just personal for reading an entire book.

I am a braille reader from birth, but I find the display kind of clunky for prolonged reading, but I don't have an 80 cell which I would assume to be better than my 40 cell for reading, so maybe the 80 would be better.

 

But, it is incredibly useful.

 

 

Great for a customer service agent.

Great for employment flexibility.

 

I would hesitate on acquiring one if I was not a fluid braille user, or if you can't really see a way it could improve you.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

Hello,

 

What is the difference between a reader and a Braille display?

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

 There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.

 

On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Richard Turner
 

There are many terms that are interchangeable. 
The company, Orbit Research, chose to name their units Orbit Reader.
Any braille display can be rightfully called a reader, in that you read braille on them with their tactile display.
Things have gotten a little more confusing in recent years with the advent of what some are calling, Hybrid displays. Those are things like the Orbit Reader 20 or 40 from Orbit Research; the Brailliant BI X from Humanware, the Chameleon and Mantis from APH/HUMANWARE, and others, that are a display when connected to a computer, and have some stand-alone functions like note taking, alarm clock, calendar, calculator.

Then, there are the "Braille NoteTakers" that are completely self sufficient, in that they have their own wifi, web browser, full word processor, etc. Those Braille NoteTakers start at about $4500 while the hybrid displays start at about $700 for 20 cells, and $1400 for 40 cells and go up from there.
That is a brief summary.
I hope it helps.



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On Apr 23, 2021, at 1:41 PM, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

What is the difference between a reader and a Braille display?

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

 There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.



On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Van Lant, Robin
 

I can see the benefit of routing the cursor right to where you want it. I find I’m often arrowing back to hear a spelling of a word when proof-reading my work. 

 

If you are in Excel, does the display show you just the contents of the cell you have focus on?

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

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I find the opposite with the Orbit Reader 40.

It is a great display to use with Jaws. It has the 40 cells and cursor routing keys which help a lot when editing.

The support from Orbit Research has been excellent.

And, you cannot beat the feel of the braille on the Orbit display. Especially if you are not a really good braille reader, the more pronounced braille will be a great help.

There is an email list for the ORBIT displays. I have some information on them on my web site, along with the email subscription fo for the email group. Look foh the heading Orbit research information at www.turner42.com

HTH,

 

 

Richard 

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On Apr 23, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

  There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.



On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Justin Williams
 

I have a focus 40.

 

I find them very useful for reading notes, and for doing presentations.

Good for reading short passages.

 

Not great for me, and this is just personal for reading an entire book.

I am a braille reader from birth, but I find the display kind of clunky for prolonged reading, but I don't have an 80 cell which I would assume to be better than my 40 cell for reading, so maybe the 80 would be better.

 

But, it is incredibly useful.

 

 

Great for a customer service agent.

Great for employment flexibility.

 

I would hesitate on acquiring one if I was not a fluid braille user, or if you can't really see a way it could improve you.

 

Thanks,

 

Justin

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

Hello,

 

What is the difference between a reader and a Braille display?

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

 There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.

 

On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

James Bentley
 

Hello,

 

What is the difference between a reader and a Braille display?

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: pros and cons of Braille display

 

 There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.



On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Richard Turner
 

I find the opposite with the Orbit Reader 40.
It is a great display to use with Jaws. It has the 40 cells and cursor routing keys which help a lot when editing.
The support from Orbit Research has been excellent.
And, you cannot beat the feel of the braille on the Orbit display. Especially if you are not a really good braille reader, the more pronounced braille will be a great help.
There is an email list for the ORBIT displays. I have some information on them on my web site, along with the email subscription fo for the email group. Look foh the heading Orbit research information at www.turner42.com
HTH,



Richard 
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On Apr 23, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

  There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.


On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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moderated Re: pros and cons of Braille display

Marianne Denning
 

 There are lots of ways that a braille note taker can be helpful. I mean a braille Display. You can very quickly move your Kircher where you want it to go if you have curse around and keys. Remember, the orbit reader is meant to be a reader and not a braille display for a computer. I wouldn’t spend any money on the orbit reader because I have found it to be extremely poor quality and have not found getting help with it beneficial.


On Apr 23, 2021, at 2:03 PM, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io <Robin_Van_Lant@...> wrote:



I have a topic I’d like some input on. If I should take it elsewhere or talk to someone offline by phone, please advise a direction to go.   I am a JAWS user and really cannot function on a computer without speech, but still have a tiny pinhole of usable vision due to RP.  I use Braille for labeling things around the house, but am not a proficient reader, especially when beyond some two letter contractions.  Braille displays have always seemed too expensive, especially given that using one would feel more like an experiment now, given my poor efficiency. Yet, as my vision decreases, I’ve wondered if a Braille display (such as the Orbit) would be useful.  I’m not planning to use it to read books, but I’d like better understanding of why some of you use it.  I’ll be paying for it out of my own pocket, so this is a decision I don’t take lightly.  Does it add value to editing and formatting in Office 365 applications?  Does it give incrased accessibility to webpages or is that really the same accessibility that listening to JAWS gives?  What else should I consider in this decision? 

 

Thanks for any insights.

Robin

 




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