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moderated Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Bill White
 

Hi, Takis. How do you navigate to the Reactions box?

 

Thank you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 11:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi Bill/all,

They have moved it in the reactions box, if you go into that, you will see it together with clap.

                                                                Hope this helps,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Πέμπτη, 22 Απριλίου 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Good morning, Bill.

 

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Bill/all,

They have moved it in the reactions box, if you go into that, you will see it together with clap.

                                                                Hope this helps,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Πέμπτη, 22 Απριλίου 2021 19:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Good morning, Bill.

 

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Sorry Mario, I thought I was responding to Adrian. My sincere apologies.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Πέμπτη, 22 Απριλίου 2021 18:30
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Takis, my sister has complained about the ding sound when pressing alt+a to mute/unmute. for curiosity sake, would you mind enlightening us to what those other annoyances would be?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos [mailto:pantonop2856@gmail.com]
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2021, 8:03 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi Adrian/Bill/all,

Since its last update, zoom seems to be in great mess, with the more crucial the inability to use alt-y to have hands raised. We experienced that in a course on teams, which is conducted via zoom. I have also found some other annoying minor things, but hope all this will vanish soon.

Take care,

Takis



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: ??µpt?, 22 ?p?????? 2021 13:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows



Good morning, Bill.



What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io> >
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows



Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.



Thank you.



Bill White



billwhite92701@att.net <mailto:billwhite92701@att.net>


moderated Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Adrian/all,
Primarily I got inconsistent screens while logging and again a box to tick to allow video and audio or a screen to download zoom if I had not done that, which is entirely irrelevant in my case. The most annoying thing for me recently though is that when I want to invite someone and switch to my default mailer, outlook, it does not give the autocomplete address, with the result that I need to open, close, and finally, restart the computer. This is most annoying to me, but zoom is I think, not to blame. Take care, Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Πέμπτη, 22 Απριλίου 2021 18:30
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Takis, my sister has complained about the ding sound when pressing alt+a to mute/unmute. for curiosity sake, would you mind enlightening us to what those other annoyances would be?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos [mailto:pantonop2856@gmail.com]
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2021, 8:03 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Hi Adrian/Bill/all,

Since its last update, zoom seems to be in great mess, with the more crucial the inability to use alt-y to have hands raised. We experienced that in a course on teams, which is conducted via zoom. I have also found some other annoying minor things, but hope all this will vanish soon.

Take care,

Takis



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: ??µpt?, 22 ?p?????? 2021 13:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows



Good morning, Bill.



What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io> >
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows



Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.



Thank you.



Bill White



billwhite92701@att.net <mailto:billwhite92701@att.net>


moderated Re: Jaws 2020 wont start automaticly #jaws

johnny.hauan@...
 

Hi

Yes that works but the setting is for running JAWS at the logon screen. Putting in shell:startup will make it run after logon. 


moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Sharon
 

Hope they work better than the 20.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

Well, it has only been on the market a little over a month, and they do not have a huge PR budget like some companies.

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 



On Apr 22, 2021, at 5:49 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information. 

 

I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.

 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 




On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

David Diamond
 

Here I thought it was just me having one of those moments.  About a week ago, I tried the Alt Y function to raise my hand.  It did not work.  I thought I had signed into Zoom twice and that’s why it would not work. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: April 22, 2021 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Albert:

 

I couldn’t agree with you more.

 

If these companies are truly interested in accessibility, you would think they would check these things before releasing any updates.

 

In all fairness, though, I’m thankful for the accessibility that Zoom does offer, in comparison to other meeting platforms which, apparently are not as accessible.

 

I hope we will learn of an update that fixes the hand-raising key stroke issue soon.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi everyone, 

One thing that I’d like too ask here,  is, why don’t these  companies check there updates for accessibility before they release them.  To me, this should be a given practice, and not  an after thought.   

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Larry. What's the procedure to report bugs to Zoom? I know they already know about this bug, but I might like to know for future reports.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Gassman
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

This is supposed to be fixed with the next update.

Focus seems to be changing if you have downloaded the latest zoom update.

If you have try closing the participants window with the toggle, Alt Plus U,  then reopen it with the same keystroke and try pressing Alt Plus Y again.

Zoom is aware that they broke something and they say they will fix it.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Good morning, Bill.

 

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Richard Turner
 

Well, it has only been on the market a little over a month, and they do not have a huge PR budget like some companies.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 22, 2021, at 5:49 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information. 

 

I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.

 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 



On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Cristóbal
 

This is helpful.

I just find it odd that there seems to be very little out there on this particular model. Even YouTube doesn’t really have anything. Just that one French language video JI linked to. Tons of reviews and postings about the 20 cell displays, but no dice on the 40 cell one but for the generic postings of specs and order form .

Thanks,

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.

I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.

But, starting from physical comparisons.

1. It is no louder while refreshing.

2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.

3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.

4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.

5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.

6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.

On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information. 

 

I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.

You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...

But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.

 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

 



On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: Question on how to update zoom meeting application.

Bill White
 

I would actually like to see a shortcut key that one could invoke from anywhere in the Zoom Meetings client that would perform a "Check for updates", but Zoom doesn't make it easy to give suggestions as to how the Zoom Client might be made more convenient for the user.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question on how to update zoom meeting application.

 

Good evening everyone, 

 

How do you go about updating your zoom meeting application that is already on my PC.  The version that I have on my computer says that it is five point five. I did look for an update feature, but I didn’t see where to locate that option.     


moderated Re: Question on how to update zoom meeting application.

Bill White
 

Hi, Albert. If you're not signed into a zoom account, update zoom in the following manner,

 

1. Start Zoom.

2. Access the System Tray with WINDOWS Key plus B.

3. Find the Zoom icon in the System Tray. This may require using the Notification chevron in the System Tray to get the overflow icons.

4. If the Zoom icon isn't in the System Tray, it may need to be checked in Personalization>TaskBar Settings.

5. Once you locate the Zoom icon, press the Applications key or SHIFT plus F10, and Up Arrow to "Check for updates".

6. TAB to see if an update is available. If it is, wait a minute or two for the download, then TAB to the Update button, and press ENTER.

 

If you're signed into a zoom account, updating is a lot simpler,

 

1. Open Zoom.

2. TAB to the menu that says, Zoom, your name, Status, Available, Free Account

3. Up Arrow about five times to "Check for updates", and press ENTER.

4. TAB to see if an update is available. If it is, wait a minute or two for the download, then TAB to the Update button, and press ENTER.

5. That's it. Your Zoom Meetings client for Windows will now be updated.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question on how to update zoom meeting application.

 

Good evening everyone, 

 

How do you go about updating your zoom meeting application that is already on my PC.  The version that I have on my computer says that it is five point five. I did look for an update feature, but I didn’t see where to locate that option.     


moderated Question on how to update zoom meeting application.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good evening everyone, 

 

How do you go about updating your zoom meeting application that is already on my PC.  The version that I have on my computer says that it is five point five. I did look for an update feature, but I didn’t see where to locate that option.     


moderated Re: Jaws 2020 wont start automaticly #jaws

Bill White
 

You might try putting the shortcut for JAWS 2020 into the Startup folder by copyint its shortcut from the desktop into the Startup folder in the following manner,

 

1. Copy the shortcut for JAWS 2020 to the clipboard with CONTROL plus C.

2. Press WINDOWS Key plus R for Run.

3. In the "run" dialog, type

 

shell:Startup

 

4. Press ENTER.

5. When the Startup folder opens, paste the shortcut for JAWS into the folder by using CONTROL plus V.

6. Reboot the computer.

7. See if JAWS 2020 starts automatically.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of johnny.hauan via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 2:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 2020 wont start automaticly #jaws

 

Something weird going on with JAWS 2020 on Windows 10 20H2. I go to the settings and check for starting JAWS during logon, press OK then when i return to the dialogue box its unchecked again. I find several topics on this issue but no solutions so far. 

Also is it possible somehow to automaticly activate the software when you have the ILM code?


moderated Jaws 2020 wont start automaticly #jaws

johnny.hauan@...
 

Something weird going on with JAWS 2020 on Windows 10 20H2. I go to the settings and check for starting JAWS during logon, press OK then when i return to the dialogue box its unchecked again. I find several topics on this issue but no solutions so far. 

Also is it possible somehow to automaticly activate the software when you have the ILM code?


moderated Re: Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Richard Turner
 

There has been a lot of discussion about it on the Orbit Reader list of course.
I will write something up for AppleVis at some point soon.
But, starting from physical comparisons.
1. It is no louder while refreshing.
2. The keys are louder than those on the 20.
3. The keys are laid out more like you would expect from other displays, in that the 8 dots are kind of fanned out ergonomically. So unlike the 20, dots 7 and 8 are very comfortable for your little fingers to land on.
4. The space bar is on a slightly angled lip at the front, then the braille cells, then the keyboard.
5. there are cursor routing buttons above each cell.
6. It has a USB slot so you can use a thumb drive for alternate storage.
On my web site, I have samples of the alarm sounds under the heading Orbit Research information. 
www.turner42.com

I really like the display. Like the 20, it is the best feeling braille of any display.
You do have to install a driver to run it with JAWS so it emulates the Vario Ultra 40. Vispero says it is up to Orbit Research to fix the driver ...
But it works great with Jaws, or NVDA.
 


Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:46 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Orbit Reader 40 review? Thoughts?

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So I was thinking of upgrading to the Orbit Reader 40 display, but haven’t really been able to come across any reviews on the product. Write ups on the Orbit Reader 20 Plus yes, but not much for the 40. Can I just assume that they’re the same, but for amount of Braille cells?

There was one review I came across on Apple Vis but it was more focused on the device's sound than anything else. I did find one YouTube video, but it’s in French and well… I don’t speak French.

I was thinking of the Mantis 40, but honestly, I’m pretty happy with my mechanical keyboard for my desktop and I already have an 80 cell display connected to it, so this would be a more portable option for my laptop and iPhone for reading mostly. I don’t need another keyboard for that.

Anyway, if anyone’s got an Orbit Reader 40, I’d be curious to know their thoughts on how it’s holding up and general usage.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


moderated going into Outlook email

kevin meyers
 

 

Hello,

I’m using the most recent versions of windows10, Outlook2016 and Jaws2021.

 

Since the most recent version of Jaws, I will go into an email. It will read the first line on its own and then repeat it. Has anyone else encountered this issue? Where you able to turn on or off a Jaws setting to correct this issue?

 

Cheers,

 

Kevin


moderated Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Tom Behler
 

Albert:

 

I couldn’t agree with you more.

 

If these companies are truly interested in accessibility, you would think they would check these things before releasing any updates.

 

In all fairness, though, I’m thankful for the accessibility that Zoom does offer, in comparison to other meeting platforms which, apparently are not as accessible.

 

I hope we will learn of an update that fixes the hand-raising key stroke issue soon.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi everyone, 

One thing that I’d like too ask here,  is, why don’t these  companies check there updates for accessibility before they release them.  To me, this should be a given practice, and not  an after thought.   

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Larry. What's the procedure to report bugs to Zoom? I know they already know about this bug, but I might like to know for future reports.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Gassman
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

This is supposed to be fixed with the next update.

Focus seems to be changing if you have downloaded the latest zoom update.

If you have try closing the participants window with the toggle, Alt Plus U,  then reopen it with the same keystroke and try pressing Alt Plus Y again.

Zoom is aware that they broke something and they say they will fix it.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Good morning, Bill.

 

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Albert Cutolo
 

Hi everyone, 

One thing that I’d like too ask here,  is, why don’t these  companies check there updates for accessibility before they release them.  To me, this should be a given practice, and not  an after thought.   

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Larry. What's the procedure to report bugs to Zoom? I know they already know about this bug, but I might like to know for future reports.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Gassman
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

This is supposed to be fixed with the next update.

Focus seems to be changing if you have downloaded the latest zoom update.

If you have try closing the participants window with the toggle, Alt Plus U,  then reopen it with the same keystroke and try pressing Alt Plus Y again.

Zoom is aware that they broke something and they say they will fix it.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Good morning, Bill.

 

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 


moderated Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

Bill White
 

Hi, Larry. What's the procedure to report bugs to Zoom? I know they already know about this bug, but I might like to know for future reports.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Larry Gassman
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

This is supposed to be fixed with the next update.

Focus seems to be changing if you have downloaded the latest zoom update.

If you have try closing the participants window with the toggle, Alt Plus U,  then reopen it with the same keystroke and try pressing Alt Plus Y again.

Zoom is aware that they broke something and they say they will fix it.

Larry

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Hi, Adrian. When in Zoom, there are two windows open. With JAWS, if I do JAWS key plus T for Title, one window just says Zoom. The other says Zoom Meeting. The window which says Zoom Meeting is usually the window in which meeting controls and shortcuts are operable. Right now, however, ALT plus Y doesn't work in either window. My question is, where is the actual meeting control that sighted persons click to raise and lower the hand. I understand that it is in the Participants panel, but I don't know exactly where it is. I have looked at this panel with JAWS, and don't see the Raise/Lower hand control here.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Good morning, Bill.

 

What I find distracting while on a Zoom call is that the application opens more than one window. My guess is that you need to be in the right window for alt-y to work or to find the alternative you’re seeking here.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 3:04 AM
To: JFW Mailing List <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: Raise/Lower hand meeting control in Zoom for Windows

 

Is there an easy way to find the Raise/Lower hand meeting control in the Participants panel using Zoom Meetings client for Windows? I know that the shortcut ALT+Y can be used. But is there an easy way using JAWS to navigate to the actual meeting control? Sometimes when using ALT+Y, I hear the error sound, as if ALT+Y is not focusing on the actual meeting control.

 

Thank you.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

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