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moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I too would stick with SSD depending on your space needs 512 GB or 1 TB.

I would not put the files I value on an HD drive these days since the price of SSD has come down so far.

 

I believe there is now an I8 if not an I9 chip.

I have the I7 and it is great and all I need.

 

Make sure you have at least 3 USB ports.

A built-in SD card reader.

I don’t know if Windows is putting in USBC ports, but that would be nice since many things are going that way.

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hope Williamson
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: if you were getting a new computer.

 

If I could get one right now, here's what I'd do.

    I'd definitely get 16-32 GB of ram, because if you want the thing to last for 6-7 years, you just never know what's going to be needed that far down the road. I'd definitely go for an I7, although it doesn't have to be the fastest one out there, they're already fast.

    I'd see if I could get a 1 TB SSd, and a 2-4 TB external drive. That should store everything you need, and then some. There's most likely no need for a secondary internal drive, if you can pull off a 1 TB SSD.

On 4/15/2021 5:42 AM, john clayton wrote:

Hi Jim,

 Here's what I would suggest you get.

 At least a I5 or I7th gen processor, the newer the better or an AMD equivalent 

 1 SSD and 1 HDD. the SSd to act as your C drive and where your windows and programs you use frequently go, and the HDD to store things such as music, movies etc. SSd minimum 128GB 256GB preferred, 512 if you can pull that off. HDD should be around 1TB to 4TB, totally up to you and your budget.

8GB of ram should be more than enough for most things, but if you want to future proof your machine, go for 16GB ram instead.

Hope that helped some,

 

 

 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 11:56, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


 

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***
“The most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Hope Williamson <webspinner@...>
 

If I could get one right now, here's what I'd do.

    I'd definitely get 16-32 GB of ram, because if you want the thing to last for 6-7 years, you just never know what's going to be needed that far down the road. I'd definitely go for an I7, although it doesn't have to be the fastest one out there, they're already fast.

    I'd see if I could get a 1 TB SSd, and a 2-4 TB external drive. That should store everything you need, and then some. There's most likely no need for a secondary internal drive, if you can pull off a 1 TB SSD.

On 4/15/2021 5:42 AM, john clayton wrote:
Hi Jim,
 Here's what I would suggest you get.
 At least a I5 or I7th gen processor, the newer the better or an AMD equivalent 
 1 SSD and 1 HDD. the SSd to act as your C drive and where your windows and programs you use frequently go, and the HDD to store things such as music, movies etc. SSd minimum 128GB 256GB preferred, 512 if you can pull that off. HDD should be around 1TB to 4TB, totally up to you and your budget.
8GB of ram should be more than enough for most things, but if you want to future proof your machine, go for 16GB ram instead.
Hope that helped some,

 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 11:56, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim



--
***
“The most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Barbara Sheinbein
 

Hi Jim,

 

Others have mentioned some specs, but I do have a few other ideas for you to consider.  You probably want to be sure your new computer has a camera, one which automatically focuses.  Why you ask?  If you participate in any zoom meetings with friends or family, they will want to see you.  Only one of my two computers has a camera and I must be sure to use it in these situations.

 

Another suggestion is your backup situation.  There are a lot of ways to do this nowadays.  I currently purchased Office 365 which has a very reasonable fee system.  You can set this up with your wife and she can have access to your files.  There is a way to do this and also a way not to share, so you can keep all your secrets!  It is JAWS friendly.  You will have lots of storage for your music or anything else you wish.  There are a variety of packages to select from.  Keep in mind this is where Microsoft is putting all their efforts, so it will likely always be the most accessible.  I also wanted this so if I am unable to access my information due to health for example, my family who I share this with can get access to important information.  There are other cloud storage options out there, but you may want to look at those, but after my own review with my sister, we decided on One Drive.

 

This would eliminate you looking for a less expensive version of Office as well.

 

I also have a network drive.  This has some duplication with the cloud storage, but I had this before I signed up for Office 365.  A network drive allows me to store and work from this physical drive which operates via the modem.  There is a password to prevent others from getting access.  It automatically backs up to a mirror drive so if the primary drive goes bad, all my information will still be available.

 

Lots of moving pieces to consider.  Smile.

 

Good luck.

 

Barbara

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 1:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: if you were getting a new computer.

 

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


moderated Re: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@...>
 

You need to enable google keyboard support by hitting ctrl - alt - z
Then turn off jaws browse mode insert - z
Thats where you can read all the cell or info on google sheet.
Below is the website where google list all of the keyboard shortcut

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 06:06, E.M. Kirtley <ekirtley45@...> wrote:

Try JAWS-key+spacebar+m. 

 

EMK

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

 

Hello list,

Does anyone know how to jump to the end of the data in a Google docs spread sheet with Jaws or if it is even possible?

The Excel commands with the end/home plus the different arrow keys don’t appear to work. I have both the accessibility and Braille display settings enabled as well as the use similar commands as in other spread sheet programs or whatever it’s called.

I’ve poked around in the list of keystroke commands (including for navigation) also in settings and didn’t find anything either.

Ideally, I’d like for focus to land on the last row with data as this spread sheet in particular is always being updated. Indeed, when viewing a Google spreadsheet with VoiceOver on the iPhone, focus is always on the last row of data when opening the document, but working with a spreadsheet or reviewing information this way at least for me, isn’t efficient enough to make it the primary means in which I wish to work.

For the record, I’m using the most current versions of Jaws 2021 and Edge.

Thank you,

Cristóbal

 


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

john clayton
 

Hi Jim,
 Here's what I would suggest you get.
 At least a I5 or I7th gen processor, the newer the better or an AMD equivalent 
 1 SSD and 1 HDD. the SSd to act as your C drive and where your windows and programs you use frequently go, and the HDD to store things such as music, movies etc. SSd minimum 128GB 256GB preferred, 512 if you can pull that off. HDD should be around 1TB to 4TB, totally up to you and your budget.
8GB of ram should be more than enough for most things, but if you want to future proof your machine, go for 16GB ram instead.
Hope that helped some,

 

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 11:56, Jim Rawls <jazzpiano@...> wrote:

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim



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“The most important thing in life is not the triumph but the struggle. The essential thing is not to have conquered but to have fought well.”


moderated Re: create a system image.

James Bentley
 

Hi Dave,

 

Assuming that you are using a newer version of Image For Windows, does IFW still incorporate the Narrator Screen reader on its recovery disk?

 

My version of Image for Windows is around 6years old.  My version of IFW itself will make you a recovery disk that includes the Microsoft screen reader, Narrator.   So a blind person can use speech during a recovery.

 

However, one would still have to memorize the steps to get their particular PC to boot off of that bootable USB   recovery disk.  It is also possible to get a sighted person to make a one time change in the boot sequence in the BIOS so the computer will always boot from any USB device that may be inserted during PC start up.

 

I have needed to make several emergency recovery’s over the years because Windows was too corrupted to even boot.  One  time I restored my complete system on to a brand new drive with no problems.  IFW never let me down.

 

I paid around $40.00, around 6 years ago for my copy.  The do have a 30 day trial version.

 

I just wonder if Narrator still comes with IFW.

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Randy:

 

I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.

 

As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.

 

I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.

 

When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.

 

HTH

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Dave Durber
 

Jim:
 
All my PC computers, have 2 120 GB Kingston SSD drives, 1 for the system and any programs I have installed, and the other for holding a fixed PageFile.sys, and for holding folders such as Contacts; Documents; Downloads; Favorites. If I chose, I could also have Music; Saved Games; Pictures; Searches; Videos; located on the drive. I also have my email clients folders stored on the drive.
 
By not having any personal data on the system drive, I do not have to think about which folders need to be copied or moved, before I perform an image backup of the drive. In addition, by not storing any personal data on the system drive, image backup files are smaller, and therefore, they take less time to create, and restore, which means that, If I need to restore an image to any of the systems, I am able to use that particular computer much faster.
 
One of my PC computers, which I call my server, has 4, 4 TB HDD drives, for storing the rest of my personal data.
 
If you went for the same configuration, you could add 1 or more SSD or HDD drives, to store the rest of your personal data.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:26 AM
Subject: if you were getting a new computer.

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Dave Durber
 

Randy:

The purpose for creating an image of your system drive, is that you bacup everything which is stored on that drive, including the operating system, any and all programs which you have installed, and any personal data, you have stored on the drive. In addition, when you use an image backup program, the partition and format information is also saved, so that, when you need to restore an image. once it has been restored successfully, you restart your computer, and your system boots into Windows in the condition it was, when you created the image backup.

If you create a system image backup, including Incremental backups, when you restore the system backup plus, any incremental backups, then the system will be restore to the condition, when the last incremental backup was made, when you restart the system.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <blindmansbluff09@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program


So in a total failure of windows you have to reinstall windows first then restore?

On 4/14/2021 5:50 PM, Morey Worthington wrote:
Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH



moderated Re: create a system image.

Dave Durber
 


Justin:
 
It is short for "Windows Preinstall Environment".
 
What program are you using to backup your system drive?
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

What is win PE?

 

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Dave Durber
 


Randy:
 
I use Image for Windows, produced by Terabyte. You get a 30 day trial, then you need to purchase a license, to go on using the program. I do not think the purchase price is that expensive, probably about 50 dollars, US.
 
As far as I know, there are 2 versions of a Talking Windoes Preinstall Environment (TWPE). One produced by Brian Smart for Windows 7 and another by someone by the name of Carlos, sorry I do not know his last name, for Windows 10. Once you  boot into either TWPE, hopefully You should be able to run Macrium Reflect Free, to restore a previously created image to your system drive, using NVDA to speak the prompts and menues.
 
I use Brian Smart's Windows 7 TWPE and the Image for Windows  restore utility, to restore images. I use this TWPE because, I find that it boots faster, an it definitely shuts down the computer correctly, when you have finished restoring an image or, when you have finished using the TWPE for any other reason.
 
When I have used Carlos's TWPE, I have found that when you shut down the computer, it occasionally hangs, and you need to press and hold the power button, until the system switches off.
 
HTH
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
I did need a bit of sighted help to restore
-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

David Diamond
 

What are the safe guards for me though if the item is defective?  I’m not trying to be a protagonist, I just don’t won’t to be stuck with junk. There are lots of cases where ones have taken the money and ran.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: April 14, 2021 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

If you go to eBay.ca you don't have any of these issues, it's just a straight forward online purchase just as from any other place such as Amazon, Best Buy etc.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

For a laugh I enquired about office 2019 and it directed me to E-bay.  It was an adventure unto itself because I had to tell it to ship to and from Canada.  The hardest part was having to tell it I needed the currency in CAD not British pounds. If I registered would it always be this much trouble?   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: April 13, 2021 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Bonanza.com is the place to go.  It is reliable and like Amazon, will intervene with its sellers if there is any delay.  I bought Office 2013 Pro for $35 just last month.  It has the lowest prices I see anywhere on used software.

 

Tim

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of HH. Smith Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Hi,

 

eBay, it is the only place I know  of at this moment.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Hi all, I am running jaws 18 on a windows ten computer. Jim


moderated if you were getting a new computer.

Jim Rawls
 

Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my  new computer.[Jim


moderated Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

If you go to eBay.ca you don't have any of these issues, it's just a straight forward online purchase just as from any other place such as Amazon, Best Buy etc.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

For a laugh I enquired about office 2019 and it directed me to E-bay.  It was an adventure unto itself because I had to tell it to ship to and from Canada.  The hardest part was having to tell it I needed the currency in CAD not British pounds. If I registered would it always be this much trouble?   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: April 13, 2021 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Bonanza.com is the place to go.  It is reliable and like Amazon, will intervene with its sellers if there is any delay.  I bought Office 2013 Pro for $35 just last month.  It has the lowest prices I see anywhere on used software.

 

Tim

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of HH. Smith Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Hi,

 

eBay, it is the only place I know  of at this moment.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Hi all, I am running jaws 18 on a windows ten computer. Jim


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

So in a total failure of windows you have to reinstall windows first then restore?

On 4/14/2021 5:50 PM, Morey Worthington wrote:
Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Morey Worthington
 

Yes...

first type in search...restore system and it will take you to the first window again and it will ask where you want to restore from and you are on your way, but remember to have that external drive hooked up and open.

HTH

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Alan Robbins <arobbins1057@...>
 

Morey,

Thanks, can you restore without sighted assistance?

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Morey Worthington
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 6:49 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

What I do to create a system Image using W10, newest, and Jaws 2021.
1. I have an external hard drive, 2TB , plugged in and running.
2. I have everything closed and go to the desktop, press the search key and type in back up and restore and click on it, and when that opens there is a link to make backup and click on that.
3. One of the first things seen, or said, is something about using W7 to create files. Do not worry about the W7 thing because it is what Windows calls their back up system.
When the back up window opens it will ask you on which hard drive you would like to have it installed to. in there were 3 choices im my case ,C Drive,CD, and My external E Drive.
I chose the E Drive.
There should be a next button..click on it.
5. After the next window opens tab to the Create Syystem Image and click on it.
6.In the next window it will ask in which format you would like to save the format. The first one was highlighted and I just left it there.
Then there is a next button..click on it.
7. Depending on how much , or how big the image will be, it will take at least an hour or more to finish. When I made the first one it took 2 and a half hours because I had many programs and so on. You can check the progress if you have percentage thing turned on or just go to the Jaws window and it will tell you. It might feel stuck after about 95 percent or so, but dont worry about it, it is still doing its job. There is always a cancel button if you dont like it.
When it is finished in that window,, it will tell you to click on the finish button, and it is done.
When this is all finished, go to the external drive and check to see what folders show up. One might be a data file and the other should say something like system. You can open it and in there you will find a folder with the date of The image you made.
This is where Windows will come to retreive the image when you do a system restore. Remember if you have to do a system restore, to have this external hard drive plugged in and turned on.
HTH.
I am not sharp at making these kind of files, but I hope it works.

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Justin Williams
 

I used to be able to do that, but it was as if the dialogue box you just described was not there.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Morey Worthington
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 6:49 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

What I do to create a system Image using W10, newest, and Jaws 2021.
1. I have an external hard drive, 2TB , plugged in and running.
2. I have everything closed and go to the desktop, press the search key and type in back up and restore and click on it, and when that opens there is a link to make backup and click on that.
3. One of the first things seen, or said, is something about using W7 to create files. Do not worry about the W7 thing because it is what Windows calls their back up system.
When the back up window opens it will ask you on which hard drive you would like to have it installed to. in there were 3 choices im my case ,C Drive,CD, and My external E Drive.
I chose the E Drive.
There should be a next button..click on it.
5. After the next window opens tab to the Create Syystem Image and click on it.
6.In the next window it will ask in which format you would like to save the format. The first one was highlighted and I just left it there.
Then there is a next button..click on it.
7. Depending on how much , or how big the image will be, it will take at least an hour or more to finish. When I made the first one it took 2 and a half hours because I had many programs and so on. You can check the progress if you have percentage thing turned on or just go to the Jaws window and it will tell you. It might feel stuck after about 95 percent or so, but dont worry about it, it is still doing its job. There is always a cancel button if you dont like it.
When it is finished in that window,, it will tell you to click on the finish button, and it is done.
When this is all finished, go to the external drive and check to see what folders show up. One might be a data file and the other should say something like system. You can open it and in there you will find a folder with the date of The image you made.
This is where Windows will come to retreive the image when you do a system restore. Remember if you have to do a system restore, to have this external hard drive plugged in and turned on.
HTH.
I am not sharp at making these kind of files, but I hope it works.

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: create a system image.

Justin Williams
 

I'm just trying to get the image ot the tosheba usb hard drie I have.

I've done it before, but I'll attempt it again tonight.

 

I used to be able to just find the link, create system image.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 7:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

I am sorry to hear that.

On 4/14/2021 4:17 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Randy,

 

His name was, Carlos Nazario, and he left us way too soon.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Win PE in the context I am using is as Brian said a Pre-install environment with the addition of NVDA and some extra apps like paswword resetting your windows password and backing up your PC,put together by a blind person. I cant remember his name but this was invaluable before win10 introduced narrator in the setup side of windows. It appears it is still a good tool for backup'ing your PC since all backup solutions I know of are not accessible during a restore.

Here is a link to my copy of the win10 version.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArI9mdteFUZIgcZomOWSEWupSBeZEQ?e=7wWp5W

 

On 4/14/2021 2:16 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

What is win PE?

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

I am sorry to hear that.

On 4/14/2021 4:17 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Randy,
 
His name was, Carlos Nazario, and he left us way too soon.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Win PE in the context I am using is as Brian said a Pre-install environment with the addition of NVDA and some extra apps like paswword resetting your windows password and backing up your PC,put together by a blind person. I cant remember his name but this was invaluable before win10 introduced narrator in the setup side of windows. It appears it is still a good tool for backup'ing your PC since all backup solutions I know of are not accessible during a restore.

Here is a link to my copy of the win10 version.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArI9mdteFUZIgcZomOWSEWupSBeZEQ?e=7wWp5W


On 4/14/2021 2:16 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

What is win PE?

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Mike B.
 


Hi Randy,
 
His name was, Carlos Nazario, and he left us way too soon.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Win PE in the context I am using is as Brian said a Pre-install environment with the addition of NVDA and some extra apps like paswword resetting your windows password and backing up your PC,put together by a blind person. I cant remember his name but this was invaluable before win10 introduced narrator in the setup side of windows. It appears it is still a good tool for backup'ing your PC since all backup solutions I know of are not accessible during a restore.

Here is a link to my copy of the win10 version.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArI9mdteFUZIgcZomOWSEWupSBeZEQ?e=7wWp5W


On 4/14/2021 2:16 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

What is win PE?

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

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