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moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Alan Robbins
 

Morey,

Thanks, can you restore without sighted assistance?

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Morey Worthington
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 6:49 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

What I do to create a system Image using W10, newest, and Jaws 2021.
1. I have an external hard drive, 2TB , plugged in and running.
2. I have everything closed and go to the desktop, press the search key and type in back up and restore and click on it, and when that opens there is a link to make backup and click on that.
3. One of the first things seen, or said, is something about using W7 to create files. Do not worry about the W7 thing because it is what Windows calls their back up system.
When the back up window opens it will ask you on which hard drive you would like to have it installed to. in there were 3 choices im my case ,C Drive,CD, and My external E Drive.
I chose the E Drive.
There should be a next button..click on it.
5. After the next window opens tab to the Create Syystem Image and click on it.
6.In the next window it will ask in which format you would like to save the format. The first one was highlighted and I just left it there.
Then there is a next button..click on it.
7. Depending on how much , or how big the image will be, it will take at least an hour or more to finish. When I made the first one it took 2 and a half hours because I had many programs and so on. You can check the progress if you have percentage thing turned on or just go to the Jaws window and it will tell you. It might feel stuck after about 95 percent or so, but dont worry about it, it is still doing its job. There is always a cancel button if you dont like it.
When it is finished in that window,, it will tell you to click on the finish button, and it is done.
When this is all finished, go to the external drive and check to see what folders show up. One might be a data file and the other should say something like system. You can open it and in there you will find a folder with the date of The image you made.
This is where Windows will come to retreive the image when you do a system restore. Remember if you have to do a system restore, to have this external hard drive plugged in and turned on.
HTH.
I am not sharp at making these kind of files, but I hope it works.

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Justin Williams
 

I used to be able to do that, but it was as if the dialogue box you just described was not there.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Morey Worthington
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 6:49 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What I do to make a system image using built-in program

What I do to create a system Image using W10, newest, and Jaws 2021.
1. I have an external hard drive, 2TB , plugged in and running.
2. I have everything closed and go to the desktop, press the search key and type in back up and restore and click on it, and when that opens there is a link to make backup and click on that.
3. One of the first things seen, or said, is something about using W7 to create files. Do not worry about the W7 thing because it is what Windows calls their back up system.
When the back up window opens it will ask you on which hard drive you would like to have it installed to. in there were 3 choices im my case ,C Drive,CD, and My external E Drive.
I chose the E Drive.
There should be a next button..click on it.
5. After the next window opens tab to the Create Syystem Image and click on it.
6.In the next window it will ask in which format you would like to save the format. The first one was highlighted and I just left it there.
Then there is a next button..click on it.
7. Depending on how much , or how big the image will be, it will take at least an hour or more to finish. When I made the first one it took 2 and a half hours because I had many programs and so on. You can check the progress if you have percentage thing turned on or just go to the Jaws window and it will tell you. It might feel stuck after about 95 percent or so, but dont worry about it, it is still doing its job. There is always a cancel button if you dont like it.
When it is finished in that window,, it will tell you to click on the finish button, and it is done.
When this is all finished, go to the external drive and check to see what folders show up. One might be a data file and the other should say something like system. You can open it and in there you will find a folder with the date of The image you made.
This is where Windows will come to retreive the image when you do a system restore. Remember if you have to do a system restore, to have this external hard drive plugged in and turned on.
HTH.
I am not sharp at making these kind of files, but I hope it works.

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: create a system image.

Justin Williams
 

I'm just trying to get the image ot the tosheba usb hard drie I have.

I've done it before, but I'll attempt it again tonight.

 

I used to be able to just find the link, create system image.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 7:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

I am sorry to hear that.

On 4/14/2021 4:17 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Randy,

 

His name was, Carlos Nazario, and he left us way too soon.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Win PE in the context I am using is as Brian said a Pre-install environment with the addition of NVDA and some extra apps like paswword resetting your windows password and backing up your PC,put together by a blind person. I cant remember his name but this was invaluable before win10 introduced narrator in the setup side of windows. It appears it is still a good tool for backup'ing your PC since all backup solutions I know of are not accessible during a restore.

Here is a link to my copy of the win10 version.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArI9mdteFUZIgcZomOWSEWupSBeZEQ?e=7wWp5W

 

On 4/14/2021 2:16 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

What is win PE?

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

I am sorry to hear that.

On 4/14/2021 4:17 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Randy,
 
His name was, Carlos Nazario, and he left us way too soon.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Win PE in the context I am using is as Brian said a Pre-install environment with the addition of NVDA and some extra apps like paswword resetting your windows password and backing up your PC,put together by a blind person. I cant remember his name but this was invaluable before win10 introduced narrator in the setup side of windows. It appears it is still a good tool for backup'ing your PC since all backup solutions I know of are not accessible during a restore.

Here is a link to my copy of the win10 version.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArI9mdteFUZIgcZomOWSEWupSBeZEQ?e=7wWp5W


On 4/14/2021 2:16 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

What is win PE?

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Mike B.
 


Hi Randy,
 
His name was, Carlos Nazario, and he left us way too soon.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Win PE in the context I am using is as Brian said a Pre-install environment with the addition of NVDA and some extra apps like paswword resetting your windows password and backing up your PC,put together by a blind person. I cant remember his name but this was invaluable before win10 introduced narrator in the setup side of windows. It appears it is still a good tool for backup'ing your PC since all backup solutions I know of are not accessible during a restore.

Here is a link to my copy of the win10 version.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArI9mdteFUZIgcZomOWSEWupSBeZEQ?e=7wWp5W


On 4/14/2021 2:16 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

What is win PE?

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

Justin

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated What I do to make a system image using built-in program

Morey Worthington
 

What I do to create a system Image using W10, newest, and Jaws 2021.
1. I have an external hard drive, 2TB , plugged in and running.
2. I have everything closed and go to the desktop, press the search key and type in back up and restore and click on it, and when that opens there is a link to make backup and click on that.
3. One of the first things seen, or said, is something about using W7 to create files. Do not worry about the W7 thing because it is what Windows calls their back up   system.
 When the back up window opens it will ask you on which hard drive you would like to have it installed  to. in there were 3 choices im my case ,C Drive,CD, and My external E Drive.
I chose the E Drive.
There should be a next button..click on it.
5. After the next window opens tab to the Create Syystem Image and click on it.
 6.In the next window it will ask in which format you would like to save the format. The first one was highlighted and I just left it there.
Then there is   a next button..click on it.
7. Depending on how much , or how big the image will be, it will take at least an hour or more to finish. When I made the first one it took 2 and a half hours because I had many programs and so on. You can check the progress if you have percentage  thing turned on or just go to the Jaws window and it will tell you. It might feel stuck after about 95 percent or so, but dont worry about it, it is still doing its job. There is always a cancel button if you dont like it.
When it is finished in that window,, it  will tell you to click on the finish button, and it is done.
When this is all finished, go to the external drive and check to see what folders show up. One might be a data file and the other should say something like system. You can open it and in there you will find a folder with the date of The image you made.
This is where Windows will come to retreive the image when you do a system restore. Remember if you have to do a system restore, to have this external hard drive plugged in and turned on.
HTH.
I am not sharp at making these kind of files, but I hope it works.

--
Morey Worthington


moderated Re: create a system image.

Jason White
 

I’ve used CloneZilla successfully. The restoration process should be accessible, is it’s all done from a Linux console (e.g., obtained via a bootable USB drive). As I recall, CloneZilla itself offers a menu-based interface.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:58
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

I’m with Brian. Macrium Reflect is a great program for making images of your entire system. I did need a bit of sighted help to restore one of those images but when the hard disk on my Windows 7 box died the other day, I was able to purchase a replacement from Amazon for about $50, restore the backed up image from my external USB drive and be back in business after a few hours. Here is the download link to Macrium Reflect for anyone who is interested:

 

https://www.filehorse.com/download-macrium-reflect-64/download/

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 8:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

One option, and there are others:  Using Macrium Reflect Free with a Screen Reader
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Win PE in the context I am using is as Brian said a Pre-install environment with the addition of NVDA and some extra apps like paswword resetting your windows password and backing up your PC,put together by a blind person. I cant remember his name but this was invaluable before win10 introduced narrator in the setup side of windows. It appears it is still a good tool for backup'ing your PC since all backup solutions I know of are not accessible during a restore.

Here is a link to my copy of the win10 version.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArI9mdteFUZIgcZomOWSEWupSBeZEQ?e=7wWp5W


On 4/14/2021 2:16 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

What is win PE?

 

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

E.M. Kirtley
 

Try JAWS-key+spacebar+m. 

 

EMK

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 2:43 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

 

Hello list,

Does anyone know how to jump to the end of the data in a Google docs spread sheet with Jaws or if it is even possible?

The Excel commands with the end/home plus the different arrow keys don’t appear to work. I have both the accessibility and Braille display settings enabled as well as the use similar commands as in other spread sheet programs or whatever it’s called.

I’ve poked around in the list of keystroke commands (including for navigation) also in settings and didn’t find anything either.

Ideally, I’d like for focus to land on the last row with data as this spread sheet in particular is always being updated. Indeed, when viewing a Google spreadsheet with VoiceOver on the iPhone, focus is always on the last row of data when opening the document, but working with a spreadsheet or reviewing information this way at least for me, isn’t efficient enough to make it the primary means in which I wish to work.

For the record, I’m using the most current versions of Jaws 2021 and Edge.

Thank you,

Cristóbal

 


moderated How to navigate to the end of data in a Google spreadsheet with Jaws?

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

Does anyone know how to jump to the end of the data in a Google docs spread sheet with Jaws or if it is even possible?

The Excel commands with the end/home plus the different arrow keys don’t appear to work. I have both the accessibility and Braille display settings enabled as well as the use similar commands as in other spread sheet programs or whatever it’s called.

I’ve poked around in the list of keystroke commands (including for navigation) also in settings and didn’t find anything either.

Ideally, I’d like for focus to land on the last row with data as this spread sheet in particular is always being updated. Indeed, when viewing a Google spreadsheet with VoiceOver on the iPhone, focus is always on the last row of data when opening the document, but working with a spreadsheet or reviewing information this way at least for me, isn’t efficient enough to make it the primary means in which I wish to work.

For the record, I’m using the most current versions of Jaws 2021 and Edge.

Thank you,

Cristóbal


moderated Re: create a system image.

 

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 05:16 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
What is win PE?
-
Windows Pre-installation Environment.  It's best described as a tiny subset of actual Windows that can run independently.  It serves as the core of the recovery features of many backup and recovery suites.

Do not use Backup & Restore (Windows 7) as it was deprecated quite a while back (2017) and could be pulled without notice.  Microsoft recommends a third-party utility of your choosing.  Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7), V1709]
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Justin Williams
 

I did hit enter on windows 7 back up, but couldn't get to the create image to do so.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: create a system image.

Justin Williams
 

What is win PE?

 

I have bee able to back up systems before, but for some reason, I can't find the back up.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 11:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Then this sounds like the best solution for blind people. unless you want automatic incremental backups that is.

On 4/13/2021 7:59 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



If you can run Win PE, just use 7Zip for the image.

The system I am using now was zipped and unzipped onto a new drive with 7Zip and Win PE.

Note, you don't need to zip up pagefile.sys and hyberfil.sys in the root of C:, as windows makes those fresh when they are not there, they are just temp files, and each one equals the amount of RAM your computer uses.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: create a system image.

 

Will it run within Win PE?

On 4/13/2021 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 07:58 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

I did need a bit of sighted help to restore

-
Which is true of the vast majority of backup/restore software because the restore process takes place without Windows itself actually being running, meaning there is no screen reader support.  

Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a restore even if they wanted to, but several have been very, very thankful indeed that they had a backup that they'd taken on a regular cycle when they had storage failure (whether HDD or SSD) but had to have me do the actual restore.  It sure as heck beats losing all the data one acquires over years on most computer systems!
 --

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

As soon as you see "subscription" in the description it is Office 365.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

Don Mauck
 

Thanks, I completely understand about company installations.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

It’s my company’s installation of Office, which is said to be Ofice 365, but may not be the most current version.  JAWS reports the version as

Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.12527.21686

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

Thanks. Since you’re the first to respond, to be clear, you are using Office2016 and not Office365 correct?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

If I hit alt, then L, then N in Word 2016, I hear Legacy Tools table, but there is very little in that table that JAWS is reading. I don’t know how much should be there. I seem to have better luck just tabbing through the options on the Developer ribbon to see drop down boxes, checkboxes, etc.  I haven’t found any radio button option yet. 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; JAWS Private Beta Group <JAWSBETA@...>
Subject: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

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I’m cross posting hoping that I can see if this is a bug or if I’m doing something crazy.

I’m trying to create “Radio Buttons” from the developer toolbar in Word using Office 365.

I think I should be able to do that from the Developer toolbar, (alt+l). Then I should be able to press “n” to get into the Legacy Menu. I cannot get that keystroke to work. Not in JAWS2020 or the latest release of JAWS2021. Can someone please tell me if there’s a better way to create the “Radio buttons,” as I know it can be done.

 

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moderated Re: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

Don Mauck
 

No offence taken at all. Yes I do have it added. I can get the keystrokes to work when I’m using NVDA but not with JAWS. Heck, I’m not even sure if my approach is the best way for doing this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

Don,

          I don't want what comes next to be taken as snarky, but are you certain you have the Developer Tab/Ribbon showing?  It is not on the Word ribbons by default, as very few typical users use it.  I added it long ago because I create fillable forms and need the legacy controls to do so.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

David Diamond
 

For a laugh I enquired about office 2019 and it directed me to E-bay.  It was an adventure unto itself because I had to tell it to ship to and from Canada.  The hardest part was having to tell it I needed the currency in CAD not British pounds. If I registered would it always be this much trouble?   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: April 13, 2021 5:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Bonanza.com is the place to go.  It is reliable and like Amazon, will intervene with its sellers if there is any delay.  I bought Office 2013 Pro for $35 just last month.  It has the lowest prices I see anywhere on used software.

 

Tim

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of HH. Smith Jr.
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 5:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Hi,

 

eBay, it is the only place I know  of at this moment.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2021 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: is there a place that sells Microsoft office home and business at a discounted price?

 

Hi all, I am running jaws 18 on a windows ten computer. Jim


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

Don,

          I don't want what comes next to be taken as snarky, but are you certain you have the Developer Tab/Ribbon showing?  It is not on the Word ribbons by default, as very few typical users use it.  I added it long ago because I create fillable forms and need the legacy controls to do so.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

Don Mauck
 

Understood, I just cannot get any keystroke to work after pressing the alt+l. That I don’t know the cause but I’ve the same problem in JAWS2020 as well. I’m going to give NVDA a shot to see if those keystrokes work, then I can take the next step to diagnose why they would work in one but not the other screen reader. o

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:32 AM, Don Mauck wrote:

you are using Office2016 and not Office365 correct?

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As am I.  But since Office 2016 is the code base for all versions afterward, and the Developer ribbon hasn't changed in a very long time, the shortcuts remain the same.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

Don Mauck
 

Thank you very much. The reason I’m want to use a Radio Button is that I’m creating a survey with the typical “disagree,” “agree,” “strongly agree” ETC. I don’t know anyway to do this other than using Radio Buttons.

Your information has been very helpful in understanding why I could not find what I wanted.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2021 9:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Keystrokes for Developer toolbar in Office 365

 

There is no Radio Button option in the Legacy Tools section (which you do reach via ALT+L,N).  The Radio Button is in the ActiveX control section and it is noted as "Option Button" while what most of us would call a button is noted as "Command Button."

The direct key sequence for an ActiveX radio button is ALT+L,N,O (Option button) and for a command button is ALT+L,N,U

I personally hate the ActiveX controls and avoid them, but others love 'em.  All of these announced, item by item, if I right arrow through the Legacy Controls Group then transition into the ActiveX controls group once the end of the Legacy Controls has been passed when I'm using NVDA.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

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