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moderated Re: Cannot find my new external hard disk

 

I'm a big fan of Windows Run commands. You can press the Windows key + r to open a run command window and type diskmgmt.msc in the text box and press enter to bring up a file explorer window with your connected disk drives listed. You can shift F10 on any drive listed to bring up a context menu where you can assign drive letters, etc.

 

Good luck.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Cannot find my new external hard disk

 

This is an outside shot, but I'm only suggesting this as something to check.

 

There's a setting that if turned on hides empty drives.

 

While in File Explorer press, Alt + F, then press the letter, O, to open Change folder and search options.

Control + tab to the View tab / page.

Tab a couple of times to the Advanced setting tree view.

Press the letter, H, 2 times I believe, to land on, Hide empty drives.  If Jaws reports this as, On , press the spacebar to turn it off.

Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 4:02 PM

Subject: Re: Cannot find my new external hard disk

 

you need to open disk manager. then find your hard drive and see if it needs to have a Drive letter assign to it. but since It's not showing up  it probably needs to be formatted or initialized.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 9, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Gezim Rexha <gezim_rexha@...> wrote:



Hi all,

I just bought a My Passport Ultra hard disk, but I cannot see it I my laptop. I am using the latest JAWS version, if that has any relevance.

I hope this is not too off-topic, and I would appreciate your help.

Cheers,

Gezim


moderated Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

I really don't have any specific examples as is typical when a curmudgeonly dinosaur like me goes on a rant. I think I'm more remembering my sighted days when upgrading between really older Windows versions (maybe as far back as Win 3.1). You're of course right that shortcut keys haven't been changing in program updates of late so I really just need to temper my comments. I have been using computers since the original IBM PC in 1981 and have experienced a lot of user interface changes through various upgrades through the years sometimes with little improvement in the feature set, or at least in the features I used.

 

Thanks for keeping me focused on the really important issues where upgrades are concerned.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

James & Alan,

          I'm curious to hear some specific examples from you.  I absolutely will not deny the seemingly endless stream of new bells and whistles from Microsoft and others, but with the sole exception of the introduction of the ribbon interface (and even then, only for a subset of commands), I haven't encountered many keyboard shortcuts change at all.  The "old standards" have been the same quite literally for as long as I can remember, and the Windows commands that form the core of many programs (e.g., Save, Save As, the navigation dialog for both, Open, etc.) have been, too.

           There is very seldom, in my experience, any shakeup in existing shortcuts secondary to new additions to the UI, whatever those additions may be.  Note well I said seldom, not absolutely never.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Cannot find my new external hard disk

Mike B.
 


This is an outside shot, but I'm only suggesting this as something to check.
 
There's a setting that if turned on hides empty drives.
 
While in File Explorer press, Alt + F, then press the letter, O, to open Change folder and search options.
Control + tab to the View tab / page.
Tab a couple of times to the Advanced setting tree view.
Press the letter, H, 2 times I believe, to land on, Hide empty drives.  If Jaws reports this as, On , press the spacebar to turn it off.
Now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save / close.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Cannot find my new external hard disk

you need to open disk manager. then find your hard drive and see if it needs to have a Drive letter assign to it. but since It's not showing up  it probably needs to be formatted or initialized.

Randy Barnett

On Apr 9, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Gezim Rexha <gezim_rexha@...> wrote:



Hi all,

I just bought a My Passport Ultra hard disk, but I cannot see it I my laptop. I am using the latest JAWS version, if that has any relevance.

I hope this is not too off-topic, and I would appreciate your help.

Cheers,

Gezim


moderated Re: Cannot find my new external hard disk

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

you need to open disk manager. then find your hard drive and see if it needs to have a Drive letter assign to it. but since It's not showing up  it probably needs to be formatted or initialized.

Randy Barnett

On Apr 9, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Gezim Rexha <gezim_rexha@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

I just bought a My Passport Ultra hard disk, but I cannot see it I my laptop. I am using the latest JAWS version, if that has any relevance.

 

I hope this is not too off-topic, and I would appreciate your help.

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 


moderated Re: Cannot find my new external hard disk

David Griffith
 

I don’t believe it will have anything to do with Jaws.

I can only offer the general advice for these situations.

Looking at the product  spec for this device it is described as plug and play for Windows 10 and portable so will not need a power supply. You should simply be able to plug it in.

So the obvious

Press Windows E to open Explorer and carefully review all the drives to make sure   it is not showing silently under this PC somewhere.

Try putting the drive in another USB Port.

Try putting it into another Machine  if you have one.

Try another type of device like a keyboard or mouse into the same USB port to confirm the actual USB port is working.

If you are using a USB Hub try plugging in directly to your laptop.

Alternatively plugging in via a powered USB Hub if you have one. On occasions I have had external drives which will only show up when they are connected through a USB Hub, mind you I have also had drives which refuse to connect through a USB hub and only work when connected directly.

Finally if all this does not work you could delete your USB Controllers  in Device Manager and let Windows restart  to re-install your USB drivers.

I would only do this however  if the USB Ports are not working with any device, not just this Hard Drive.

If all this does not work it might be, I am afraid a faulty device.

 

David Griffith.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gezim Rexha
Sent: 09 April 2021 21:43
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Cannot find my new external hard disk

 

Hi all,

 

I just bought a My Passport Ultra hard disk, but I cannot see it I my laptop. I am using the latest JAWS version, if that has any relevance.

 

I hope this is not too off-topic, and I would appreciate your help.

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 

 


moderated Re: email clients

 

James & Alan,

          I'm curious to hear some specific examples from you.  I absolutely will not deny the seemingly endless stream of new bells and whistles from Microsoft and others, but with the sole exception of the introduction of the ribbon interface (and even then, only for a subset of commands), I haven't encountered many keyboard shortcuts change at all.  The "old standards" have been the same quite literally for as long as I can remember, and the Windows commands that form the core of many programs (e.g., Save, Save As, the navigation dialog for both, Open, etc.) have been, too.

           There is very seldom, in my experience, any shakeup in existing shortcuts secondary to new additions to the UI, whatever those additions may be.  Note well I said seldom, not absolutely never.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

James,

 

I'm right there with you. UI changes are the bane of my existence. It's as if the developers forget that they have an existing user group who has bothered to learn how a program operates and throw them under the bus in order to jazz things up for enticing new purchasers. And usually with very few feature improvements.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 3:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

I do not mind improvements in security or in software improvements.  What gets my goat is when programmers rewrite the entire or most of the entire interface. 

 

If a program has a good menu system that is user friendly for all, why make dramatic changes which frequently prevent full use of the software by the visually impaired.  Often for years.

 

Maybe I’m a bit grumpy but I say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it...except for minor additions but don’t rewrite nearly 100%  of the menus just because you can write code.  Maybe continual changes are what keep code writers in a job.

 

OK, I’ll hush for now.

 

Everyone stay well,

 

James B  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 5:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

James:

 

When Microsoft release a new version of Microsoft Office, to replace MS365, it is likely, that you will be given an option to upgrade your subscription to the later version. However, this does not necessarily  mean, that Microsoft, will stop supporting MS365 immediately. More than likely, they will go on supporting MS365 with updates and security patches, for some time after the release of the new version.

 

HTH

 

Dave durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: OpenBook voices

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

There are realspeak solo voices available from the following Freedom Scientific page.

You can also use any SAPI 5 and probably SAPI4 voice that is not tied to a specific piece of software, but they will not be as responsive.

.

Downloads: Synthesizers (freedomscientific.com)

 

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: OpenBook voices

 

Hi,

Does any one know where I can get more voices for OpenBook?

Thanks.

 

Andrew


moderated OpenBook voices

Andrew Summers
 

Hi,

Does any one know where I can get more voices for OpenBook?

Thanks.

 

Andrew


moderated Re: migrating or not migrating settings

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I strongly now agree with Bill and the Brian H, who I think wrote the software you are talking about.

You have been very lucky so far that migrating settings hasn’t messed you up.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 1:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: migrating or not migrating settings

 

When I migrated from 2020 to 2021, it caused the Calculator app not to work properly. Had to delete the settings to fix the problem.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 4:03 PM

Subject: migrating or not migrating settings

 

Hi,

I purchased Leasy and am reading through the installation documentation. It starts by talking about installing JAWS.  The directions say that we should never migrate settings from a previous version  of JAWS when installing a new copy.  I get that we run the risk of bringing over some setting that perpetuates a problem, but the advice in this Hartgen documentation is worded so strongly to not migrate. I’ve migrated settings without issues so far.  What are your thoughts?  Do you think they are just being overly cautious?

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 




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moderated Cannot find my new external hard disk

Gezim Rexha
 

Hi all,

 

I just bought a My Passport Ultra hard disk, but I cannot see it I my laptop. I am using the latest JAWS version, if that has any relevance.

 

I hope this is not too off-topic, and I would appreciate your help.

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 


moderated security and software. . .

ratshtron
 

Legend has it that on Friday 4/9/2021 03:05 PM, James Bentley said:
-hmmm, that's what happened to a few programs when the developer switched to the qt platform! messed up everything for the visually impaired!
---------------------------------------

I do not mind improvements in security or in software improvements. What gets my goat is when programmers rewrite the entire or most of the entire interface.Â



If a program has a good menu system that is user friendly for all, why make dramatic changes which frequently prevent full use of the software by the visually impaired. Often for years.



Maybe I’m a bit grumpy but I say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it...except for minor additions but don’t rewrite nearly 100%  of the menus just because you can write code.  Maybe continual changes are what keep code writers in a job.



OK, I’ll hush for now.



Everyone stay well,



James BÂ Â



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 5:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients



James:



When Microsoft release a new version of Microsoft Office, to replace MS365, it is likely, that you will be given an option to upgrade your subscription to the later version. However, this does not necessarily mean, that Microsoft, will stop supporting MS365 immediately. More than likely, they will go on supporting MS365 with updates and security patches, for some time after the release of the new version.



HTH



Dave durber



----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:bentleyj1952@gmail.com>James Bentley

To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: email clients



Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?



I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software. And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.



Thanks in advance,



James B



From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io <<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients



Alan,

I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010. On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010. The last one I got was, <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/february-2-2021-update-for-office-2010-kb4493180-af4e2464-a9ad-2084-40b9-66e23cf6a76c>February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180). So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support. This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message. But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy. Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log. They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

~Brian Vogel

----------------------------------------


moderated Re: migrating or not migrating settings

Loy
 

When I migrated from 2020 to 2021, it caused the Calculator app not to work properly. Had to delete the settings to fix the problem.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 4:03 PM
Subject: migrating or not migrating settings

Hi,

I purchased Leasy and am reading through the installation documentation. It starts by talking about installing JAWS.  The directions say that we should never migrate settings from a previous version  of JAWS when installing a new copy.  I get that we run the risk of bringing over some setting that perpetuates a problem, but the advice in this Hartgen documentation is worded so strongly to not migrate. I’ve migrated settings without issues so far.  What are your thoughts?  Do you think they are just being overly cautious?

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 




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moderated Re: migrating or not migrating settings

Bill White
 

Hi, Robin. I don't think they are being too cautious. I think that may have been the problem with another user who recently had to do a restore because JAWS lost all the sounds associated with JAWS. That option was introduced to make it easier for those with a lot of settings, but I still make a point of adjusting the settings in a new JAWS version manually. I don't use the JAWS update service either, I download the installer from freedom scientific and install it from that executable file.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 1:04 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io)
Subject: migrating or not migrating settings

 

Hi,

I purchased Leasy and am reading through the installation documentation. It starts by talking about installing JAWS.  The directions say that we should never migrate settings from a previous version  of JAWS when installing a new copy.  I get that we run the risk of bringing over some setting that perpetuates a problem, but the advice in this Hartgen documentation is worded so strongly to not migrate. I’ve migrated settings without issues so far.  What are your thoughts?  Do you think they are just being overly cautious?

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 




KeyCorp Public


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moderated Re: email clients

James Bentley
 

I do not mind improvements in security or in software improvements.  What gets my goat is when programmers rewrite the entire or most of the entire interface. 

 

If a program has a good menu system that is user friendly for all, why make dramatic changes which frequently prevent full use of the software by the visually impaired.  Often for years.

 

Maybe I’m a bit grumpy but I say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it...except for minor additions but don’t rewrite nearly 100%  of the menus just because you can write code.  Maybe continual changes are what keep code writers in a job.

 

OK, I’ll hush for now.

 

Everyone stay well,

 

James B  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 5:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

James:

 

When Microsoft release a new version of Microsoft Office, to replace MS365, it is likely, that you will be given an option to upgrade your subscription to the later version. However, this does not necessarily  mean, that Microsoft, will stop supporting MS365 immediately. More than likely, they will go on supporting MS365 with updates and security patches, for some time after the release of the new version.

 

HTH

 

Dave durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated migrating or not migrating settings

Van Lant, Robin
 

Hi,

I purchased Leasy and am reading through the installation documentation. It starts by talking about installing JAWS.  The directions say that we should never migrate settings from a previous version  of JAWS when installing a new copy.  I get that we run the risk of bringing over some setting that perpetuates a problem, but the advice in this Hartgen documentation is worded so strongly to not migrate. I’ve migrated settings without issues so far.  What are your thoughts?  Do you think they are just being overly cautious?

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

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moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Dave Durber
 


Mike:
 
He said even the sound which happens when you press the JAWS key+SPACE BAR, to open the JAWS Layered Keystroke Menue, does not sound.

 
In addition, he said that he had restored the system to a previous restore point, as a result, JAWS is now using the previous update to JAWS. He is not going to use the latest upgrade to JAWS.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Hi David,
 
I know you stated that the sounds are turned on in the Settings Center, but did you check to see if sounds were still assigned for entering and leaving forms mode? 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 3:04 PM
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: email clients

Dave Durber
 


James:
 
When Microsoft release a new version of Microsoft Office, to replace MS365, it is likely, that you will be given an option to upgrade your subscription to the later version. However, this does not necessarily  mean, that Microsoft, will stop supporting MS365 immediately. More than likely, they will go on supporting MS365 with updates and security patches, for some time after the release of the new version.
 
HTH
 
Dave durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: email clients

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

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            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Don Mauck
 

Yay!! I always forget that option on my Work Laptop. Great way to fix it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

 

OK Problem sorted – I did a Windows System restore back to yesterday before I installed the latest Jaws update and everything is back to normal now.

I think this is one update I will skip.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don Mauck
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

I know this isn’t the best news you want, however, I think it will be the best solution at end of the day.

I would start with a complete new install, so I would remove everything during the uninstall but be sure to save your user files before removing JAWS. In my opinion, removing the shared files will remove any corruption to the JAWS hooks that get used.

You can use narrator of course to help with the new install of JAWS.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 4:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Thanks for writing.

 

Jaws with eloquence is speaking fine – it is the sound events which are the issue.

Yes Narrator and NVDA are working fine.

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Milton Ota
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Mike B.
 


Hi David,
 
I know you stated that the sounds are turned on in the Settings Center, but did you check to see if sounds were still assigned for entering and leaving forms mode? 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 3:04 PM
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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