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moderated Cannot find my new external hard disk

Gezim Rexha
 

Hi all,

 

I just bought a My Passport Ultra hard disk, but I cannot see it I my laptop. I am using the latest JAWS version, if that has any relevance.

 

I hope this is not too off-topic, and I would appreciate your help.

 

Cheers,

Gezim

 


moderated security and software. . .

ratshtron
 

Legend has it that on Friday 4/9/2021 03:05 PM, James Bentley said:
-hmmm, that's what happened to a few programs when the developer switched to the qt platform! messed up everything for the visually impaired!
---------------------------------------

I do not mind improvements in security or in software improvements. What gets my goat is when programmers rewrite the entire or most of the entire interface.Â



If a program has a good menu system that is user friendly for all, why make dramatic changes which frequently prevent full use of the software by the visually impaired. Often for years.



Maybe I’m a bit grumpy but I say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it...except for minor additions but don’t rewrite nearly 100%  of the menus just because you can write code.  Maybe continual changes are what keep code writers in a job.



OK, I’ll hush for now.



Everyone stay well,



James BÂ Â



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 5:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients



James:



When Microsoft release a new version of Microsoft Office, to replace MS365, it is likely, that you will be given an option to upgrade your subscription to the later version. However, this does not necessarily mean, that Microsoft, will stop supporting MS365 immediately. More than likely, they will go on supporting MS365 with updates and security patches, for some time after the release of the new version.



HTH



Dave durber



----- Original Message -----

From: <mailto:bentleyj1952@gmail.com>James Bentley

To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: email clients



Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?



I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software. And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.



Thanks in advance,



James B



From: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io <<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients



Alan,

I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010. On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010. The last one I got was, <https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/february-2-2021-update-for-office-2010-kb4493180-af4e2464-a9ad-2084-40b9-66e23cf6a76c>February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180). So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support. This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message. But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy. Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log. They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

~Brian Vogel

----------------------------------------


moderated Re: migrating or not migrating settings

Loy
 

When I migrated from 2020 to 2021, it caused the Calculator app not to work properly. Had to delete the settings to fix the problem.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 4:03 PM
Subject: migrating or not migrating settings

Hi,

I purchased Leasy and am reading through the installation documentation. It starts by talking about installing JAWS.  The directions say that we should never migrate settings from a previous version  of JAWS when installing a new copy.  I get that we run the risk of bringing over some setting that perpetuates a problem, but the advice in this Hartgen documentation is worded so strongly to not migrate. I’ve migrated settings without issues so far.  What are your thoughts?  Do you think they are just being overly cautious?

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 




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moderated Re: migrating or not migrating settings

Bill White
 

Hi, Robin. I don't think they are being too cautious. I think that may have been the problem with another user who recently had to do a restore because JAWS lost all the sounds associated with JAWS. That option was introduced to make it easier for those with a lot of settings, but I still make a point of adjusting the settings in a new JAWS version manually. I don't use the JAWS update service either, I download the installer from freedom scientific and install it from that executable file.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 1:04 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io)
Subject: migrating or not migrating settings

 

Hi,

I purchased Leasy and am reading through the installation documentation. It starts by talking about installing JAWS.  The directions say that we should never migrate settings from a previous version  of JAWS when installing a new copy.  I get that we run the risk of bringing over some setting that perpetuates a problem, but the advice in this Hartgen documentation is worded so strongly to not migrate. I’ve migrated settings without issues so far.  What are your thoughts?  Do you think they are just being overly cautious?

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 




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moderated Re: email clients

James Bentley
 

I do not mind improvements in security or in software improvements.  What gets my goat is when programmers rewrite the entire or most of the entire interface. 

 

If a program has a good menu system that is user friendly for all, why make dramatic changes which frequently prevent full use of the software by the visually impaired.  Often for years.

 

Maybe I’m a bit grumpy but I say, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it...except for minor additions but don’t rewrite nearly 100%  of the menus just because you can write code.  Maybe continual changes are what keep code writers in a job.

 

OK, I’ll hush for now.

 

Everyone stay well,

 

James B  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 5:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

James:

 

When Microsoft release a new version of Microsoft Office, to replace MS365, it is likely, that you will be given an option to upgrade your subscription to the later version. However, this does not necessarily  mean, that Microsoft, will stop supporting MS365 immediately. More than likely, they will go on supporting MS365 with updates and security patches, for some time after the release of the new version.

 

HTH

 

Dave durber

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated migrating or not migrating settings

Van Lant, Robin
 

Hi,

I purchased Leasy and am reading through the installation documentation. It starts by talking about installing JAWS.  The directions say that we should never migrate settings from a previous version  of JAWS when installing a new copy.  I get that we run the risk of bringing over some setting that perpetuates a problem, but the advice in this Hartgen documentation is worded so strongly to not migrate. I’ve migrated settings without issues so far.  What are your thoughts?  Do you think they are just being overly cautious?

 

 

 

Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager - Sales Enablement

Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank

720-304-1060

 




KeyCorp Public


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moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Dave Durber
 


Mike:
 
He said even the sound which happens when you press the JAWS key+SPACE BAR, to open the JAWS Layered Keystroke Menue, does not sound.

 
In addition, he said that he had restored the system to a previous restore point, as a result, JAWS is now using the previous update to JAWS. He is not going to use the latest upgrade to JAWS.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, April 9, 2021 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Hi David,
 
I know you stated that the sounds are turned on in the Settings Center, but did you check to see if sounds were still assigned for entering and leaving forms mode? 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 3:04 PM
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: email clients

Dave Durber
 


James:
 
When Microsoft release a new version of Microsoft Office, to replace MS365, it is likely, that you will be given an option to upgrade your subscription to the later version. However, this does not necessarily  mean, that Microsoft, will stop supporting MS365 immediately. More than likely, they will go on supporting MS365 with updates and security patches, for some time after the release of the new version.
 
HTH
 
Dave durber
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: email clients

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Don Mauck
 

Yay!! I always forget that option on my Work Laptop. Great way to fix it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

 

OK Problem sorted – I did a Windows System restore back to yesterday before I installed the latest Jaws update and everything is back to normal now.

I think this is one update I will skip.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don Mauck
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

I know this isn’t the best news you want, however, I think it will be the best solution at end of the day.

I would start with a complete new install, so I would remove everything during the uninstall but be sure to save your user files before removing JAWS. In my opinion, removing the shared files will remove any corruption to the JAWS hooks that get used.

You can use narrator of course to help with the new install of JAWS.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 4:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Thanks for writing.

 

Jaws with eloquence is speaking fine – it is the sound events which are the issue.

Yes Narrator and NVDA are working fine.

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Milton Ota
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Mike B.
 


Hi David,
 
I know you stated that the sounds are turned on in the Settings Center, but did you check to see if sounds were still assigned for entering and leaving forms mode? 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 3:04 PM
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Bill White
 

Hi, David. Glad you got it sorted. You can skip the update, but I installed it with no problem. One caveat, I installed it with the help of the JAWS installer from the Freedomscientific.com website. I NEVER use the update service in JAWS that asks me if I want to install the updates. I also do not migrate settings from a previous JAWS version. I have found too many times that this method leads to JAWS corruption.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

 

OK Problem sorted – I did a Windows System restore back to yesterday before I installed the latest Jaws update and everything is back to normal now.

I think this is one update I will skip.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don Mauck
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

I know this isn’t the best news you want, however, I think it will be the best solution at end of the day.

I would start with a complete new install, so I would remove everything during the uninstall but be sure to save your user files before removing JAWS. In my opinion, removing the shared files will remove any corruption to the JAWS hooks that get used.

You can use narrator of course to help with the new install of JAWS.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 4:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Thanks for writing.

 

Jaws with eloquence is speaking fine – it is the sound events which are the issue.

Yes Narrator and NVDA are working fine.

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Milton Ota
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

David Griffith
 

 

OK Problem sorted – I did a Windows System restore back to yesterday before I installed the latest Jaws update and everything is back to normal now.

I think this is one update I will skip.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don Mauck
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:53
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

I know this isn’t the best news you want, however, I think it will be the best solution at end of the day.

I would start with a complete new install, so I would remove everything during the uninstall but be sure to save your user files before removing JAWS. In my opinion, removing the shared files will remove any corruption to the JAWS hooks that get used.

You can use narrator of course to help with the new install of JAWS.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 4:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Thanks for writing.

 

Jaws with eloquence is speaking fine – it is the sound events which are the issue.

Yes Narrator and NVDA are working fine.

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Milton Ota
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


moderated Re: email clients

Adrian Spratt
 

What an excellent and thoughtful post. Thank you.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shan Noyes
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Hi folks:

 

Since the discussion has moved on to internet security I felt it was time to chime in and stress the importance of keeping all your programs up to date.  I’ve worked in the computer security area for over 20 years providing security consulting and investigations of numerous computer security incidents. 

 

Yes, programs that directly interact with services  over the internet like email programs be it either thick or webmail interfaces as well as browsers need to be kept up to date.  Although there isn’t much one can do in terms of webmail interfaces, because one is at the mercy of the webmail provider for security improvements etc.

 

However, if one only concentrates on these programs i.e. email clients and browser and think well that all I use to interact with the big bad internet well you are doing yourself a disservice.

 

What about things like PDF files found on the internet.  Sure if you are using the PDF  reader found inside the browser well then by keeping the browser upt do date you should be fairly safe.

 

But what if you have changed your PDF  reader to either Adobie or MS  Word?   If you haven’t been keeping them up to date then the risk of viewing that PDF could put you at a greater risk.

 

What about attachments?  Or files that you download via your browser and then open up with either Word, or Excel? 

 

The best approach to lowering your exposure is to keep all your applications up to date with Security patches.

 

I’ve been involved with numerous computer investigations where the computer infection came from the opening of attachments. 

 

The bad guys are getting smarter.  They often minipuate emails so that it looks legit and even coming from a friend of yours. 

 

So as pointed out in a previous email message you as the user are a very important asset in the lowering of your computer security exposure.  If you receive an email from some one you know with an unexpected attachment, before opening that attachment, Do what we say in the security industry and check out of band with the person did you really send this to me.  Out of band meaning don’t reply to the email asking, but rather either call them, or create a brand new message to a different address asking them.  The reason for not replying directly to them via the email is that the bad guys may of faked out the address so rather then you are expecting the email to go to the person you know, but it really goes some where else.

 

Think of computer security like an arms race.  The bad guys come up with a new way to compromise a person’s computer.  The computer industry then patches the issue.  Well what do the bad  guys do?  They don’t give up and go home.  No they start working on another attack vector.  The other thing to keep in mind is that the bad guys are not just individuals hiding in their basements developing new attack features.   There are some very well organized and funded groups trying to compromise your computers.   And yes, some of these groups are state sponsored.

 

Anyways, stay safe on the internet and as well at home with Covid protection.  Have a good day everyone

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 7:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

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WARNING, this email originated from outside of SaskTel.
Do not click links or open attachments unless you trust the sender and believe the contents are safe.
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Alan,

           The amount of "exposure" is really pretty much dependent on how much you directly interact with cyberspace with any of these programs.  It's entirely possible to almost entirely avoid interacting with cyberspace with programs like Word or Excel (or PowerPoint or Publisher, too).  But the same cannot be said of any e-mail client or web browser.  This is why I limit my real concern for those two classes of program for the most part.

            And the need for constantly upgraded security (which means updates) is never going away.  If anything, the pace is increasing.  Just today, on BleepingComputer, is an article about the latest, greatest breach:  Microsoft's Windows 10, Exchange, and Teams hacked at Pwn2Own.  There's always the next very clever nefarious actor that you need to thwart.  It's an endless cat and mouse game.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

NOTICE: This confidential e-mail message is only for the intended recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that disclosing, copying, distributing, or any other use of this message, is strictly prohibited. In such case, please destroy this message and notify the sender.


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Don Mauck
 

I know this isn’t the best news you want, however, I think it will be the best solution at end of the day.

I would start with a complete new install, so I would remove everything during the uninstall but be sure to save your user files before removing JAWS. In my opinion, removing the shared files will remove any corruption to the JAWS hooks that get used.

You can use narrator of course to help with the new install of JAWS.  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 4:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Thanks for writing.

 

Jaws with eloquence is speaking fine – it is the sound events which are the issue.

Yes Narrator and NVDA are working fine.

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Milton Ota
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Ron Pelletier
 

Hi David,

 

At this point, I would completely uninstall  JAWS and install a fresh copy. It may work keeping your settings when you remove this version but, if you don’t have anything else using JAWS like OpenBook or something like that, you could remove everything when it asks you if you want to remove shared settings. Don’t worry about losing your licence since it is not located in the JAWS folder. The licence is located in the root of your drive.

Having said that, did you try to install a fresh download of JAWS on top of this one? That is always the first thing to try.

 

Ron & Danvers

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: email clients

Randy Barnett
 

Your welcome. :)


On 4/8/2021 10:28 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Thank you for your response.

 

This is good news for those of us who do not like having a lot of new complicated software forceddown our throats.

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 11:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Hi, MS 365 is continuously updated and maintained just as Win 10 is. It theoretically will never become outdated or unsupported.

On 4/8/2021 9:09 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Brian, does that maybe mean that I can use MS365 for at least another 4 or 5 years?

 

I ask only because I dislike the learning curve on major new software.  And, I am just now becoming comfortable with MS365.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Alan,

          I no longer remember how or whether Windows 7 archives the updates that are applied, but Windows 10 keeps track of virtually any update applied to any Microsoft supplied program on the machine.

           I can absolutely assure you, as I used Office 2010 up until about 2, maybe 3, years ago, there is (or was, now) a constant stream of updates to the various Office programs even for 2010.  On this machine before I finally got rid of a last bit that the Office 2010 uninstaller left behind I was getting updates for Office 2010.  The last one I got was, February 2, 2021, update for Office 2010 (KB4493180).  So, as per usual, Microsoft does continue issuing certain updates even after they claim a given product is officially out of support.  This drives me crazy because it sends a really crappy mixed message.  But I dumped Office 2010 simply because it was "showing its age" and there were some features introduced in later versions of Office that I thought might come in handy.  Don't ask me what those were, as that water's so far under the bridge that I cannot recall what it was that finally pushed me to change.

If Windows 7 does update logging you will find these somewhere in that log.  They're classed as "Quality Updates" under the Windows 10 update logging scheme.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Bill White
 

Hi, David. If I were having this problem, and had taken all the steps that you have taken, my next step would be to completely uninstall JAWS, and run the installation over again, not as a repair, but as an install. Just be sure that, when you uninstall JAWS, do not uninstall shared components.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 3:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

David Griffith
 

Thanks for writing.

 

Jaws with eloquence is speaking fine – it is the sound events which are the issue.

Yes Narrator and NVDA are working fine.

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Milton Ota
Sent: 08 April 2021 23:23
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Bill White
 

Hi, Milton. David didn't lose his system sounds, only those like the "enter and exit form field" sounds and the sound JAWS makes when you press INSERT plus SPACE.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

Milton Ota
 

Are you able to get sound using narrator which is part of windows 10?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:05 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Lost Jaws Sounds after Update

 

Dear List

After installing the latest Jaws 2021 April Update this week I have lost all Jaws sounds  events – that is no form field sound, no sound if I press insert space etc.

I have also checked Speech and sound scheme and it is set to classic as normal.

I have checked settings centre and Jaws sounds is set to on, as is Form Field sounds.

 

I have run a repair of Jaws but still no joy in restoring Jaws Sounds. Windows system sounds like the sound events in Microsoft 365 are still working fine.

Any suggestions?

 

David Griffith.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

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