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moderated Re: email clients

Steven Hicks
 

Absolutely, totally and utterly right, Brian’s contribution is always welcome.

 

I Personally think that we should drop this now, if you don’t like Brian’s reply, just delete it J

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lee Anne Atkinson
Sent: 06 April 2021 16:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Rick,

 

Honestly I have not read the entire thread of this conversation so I might be missing something.  However, I personally enjoy Brian's responses.  I find he is knowledgeable and treats those of us on the list as a peer, not talking down to us.  Sometimes a bit more research is needed before I make any decision with my computer but I find his information helpful. 

 

Again, I may have missed something in the thread.  You can always block any person, on the list or off, if you don't want to hear from them. 

 

I hope you can get your issue resolved. 

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:08 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

and have this person stop his antics.

 

-
If you honestly believe your opinions are going to change my participation here, or elsewhere, you will be sorely disappointed.

I am not here to please you, nor any individual in particular.

I offer timely and accurate information and my posting record shows  just that.  I do not care, one bit, whether you or any one individual or small group of individuals cares for my chosen form of expression or not.

I am not breaking a single group rule.  So it is you, and Mr. Barnett's, not I, who need to cease and desist.  This will be my last reply to your inane diatribes.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Steven Hicks
 

It is horses for courses as they say, try a few things and see what you like, a lot of technology and applications are exactly this, something that I love doesn’t necessarily work for others.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hope Williamson
Sent: 06 April 2021 10:18
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Yeah, it's not the late 90s or early 2000s. It's 2021, and web interfaces actually work now.

On 4/5/2021 4:11 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

so long as you are accessing the email with an application and not using them through their web site.

-
But my point, along with offering a couple of email client options, is that using webmail is precisely what should be done, and far more often.

The days when webmail was mostly inaccessible is long gone.  There seems to be a great deal of "slow on the uptake" of this fact.  And there are a number of folks who post here, on the NVDA Group, and on the Win10 for Screen Reader Users Group who use Gmail webmail as their primary email access method.  If significant gyrations were necessary on a routine basis that would not be the case.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Steven Hicks
 

Totally agree Brian, it is your security that is the main issue here!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 06 April 2021 06:05
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:11 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

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Support is not tech support, or at least that's not what's meant.

Microsoft (or any other software maker) supporting a product means that they do what's necessary to keep it safe to use as circumstances change.  The most important part of software support is security patches.

I am not telling you, or anyone else, what they may or may not choose to do.  But you have not been getting any significant maintenance and patching since last October, and using things like e-mail clients and web browsers that are out of support is using a wide open attack surface as time marches on.

I can't say that I've never, ever used anything that is out-of-support but what I have used does not have any contact with cyberspace.  That's not possible with an email client or web browser.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Steven Hicks
 

Yes, Microsoft Don’t support Outlook 2010 any more but this doesn’t mean that it won’t work.

It is just security patches etc.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: 06 April 2021 03:31
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Judy,

 

What do you mean that Outlook 2010 is not supported anymore? Do you have any website references to this such as where it's not supported?

 

Thanks.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 3:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: email clients

 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated Re: email clients

Steven Hicks
 

Hi,

 

I would agree, you can also use various tools to customise the web client to make it easier e.g. JAWS and place markers and also some simple scripting can help create shortcuts to things.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 05 April 2021 22:00
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

I'll be the contrarian and throw out there that if all you're looking for is e-mail, and you are already using a Gmail account (as but one example), the webmail interfaces are accessible.  There are a number of members here who've mentioned that this is what they use.

Most of the major webmail interfaces allow you to add additional accounts that are not "their brand," too.

Webmail interfaces seldom undergo radical makeovers, and the small changes that do occur over time are generally easy to adjust to.

Thunderbird is an excellent email client.  The last several versions of eM Client have been getting more and more accessible, and they take feedback from screen reader users seriously.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

JM Casey
 

Try p ressing jaws key + z -- it's a multi-position toggle (on, off, on for
all applications, I think)...make sure it is turned on. Note that it should
normally turn on automatically when an html document is detected.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 01:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I don't have a number pad, how else can I check?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: April 6, 2021 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I usually just press the numpad + key to make sure if I'm uncertain. I do
have this problem with outlook where occasionally when viwing a message in
html (where the virtual buffer should automatically be invoked), I'm in
"regular" PC cursor mode instead.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I have no idea, I never change my cursor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

You could try just copying the link into your browser's address bar/open
dialogue.
When you see these links in your e-mails, are you sure your virtual cursor
is on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification
emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the
future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in,
but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on
a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open
hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an
option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and
Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help
is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: email clients

Steven Hicks
 

I Would second the Outlook option, Outlook 2016 is extremely powerful, just takes time to get used to it.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: 05 April 2021 21:54
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Really depends on what you like, special features you like .  Both are reliable .

Also Mail app , built into Windows 10, also works.

I use Thunderbird in an emergency but personally like the response and access of Outlook.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021        4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: email clients

 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated Re: email clients

Steven Hicks
 

Micro Office, not heard of that one.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: 05 April 2021 21:51
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: email clients

 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated Re: jaws 2021 sound and speech problems.

Steven Hicks
 

That is a good thing to try, I sorted some issues with my sound card using these.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: 05 April 2021 14:55
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2021 sound and speech problems.

 

Have you checked if any Enhancements are turned on, easiest way to get to this is to go to Control Panel > Sounds, then select  your soundcard and go to Properties, here you have several tabs likes this:

General, Levels, Enhancements, AdvancedSpacial Sound

Depending on your card you may or may not have all of these or maybe they are called slightly different things, for me under enhancements I have "Base Boost" and another options "disable all enhancements", if you have this and it is not checked I would try and check it, then tab to Apply and activate it, then OK. If you have a spacial Sound tab also check there and once again I would recommend you check it is set to Off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2021 sound and speech problems.

 

Hi,

 

The sound card sounds like it has a sore throat, for want of a better explanation.

No matter what card I select, the result is the same.

Anyway, I think I am going to have to get an engineer out to look at the machine.

Now, adobe dc reader is not scrolling, the web browsers are reading things that are not on screen etc.

I did a complete reinstall of windows on Saturday, but the problems have gotten progressively worse in the last two days.

I am beginning to think,that the mother board is damaged.

The machine is unger warranty with del, so hopefully, they will send someone out, or replace the machine.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Regards,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
Sent: Monday 5 April 2021 12:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2021 sound and speech problems.

 

Can you better describe your voice issues? 

There is some sound card drivers that turn off sound on a regular basis. This causes JAWS to not speak the beginning of each phrase. There was an option in JAWS 2020/2021 to correct this. You need to open up JAWS settings center to the default set and find a setting about sound in there. Let us know if that is not your issue, or if you can't find the setting with my vague description. 

 

On Apr 4, 2021, at 15:27, Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

The subject of this email is probably not worded right.

I have had to completely reset my del pc, because of sound card problems.

Since fully reinstalling windows, my sound card is speaking like it has a throat problem!!

I have tried using the windows default, and the realtec speakers.

Anyway, there is no difference.

The sound card looks like it is changing, but there is no difference in the actual sound.

Two days of resetting the pc!!!

Anyway to get to my point:

When I am moving through items in a folder, jaws is saying “1 of 5” or “2 of 5” etc.

Is there some way to turn this off?

I know I asked this before, but I can’t find my own topics.

 

On this, when I log into the group via the web, can anyone tell me, how to get a list of my own topics?

I can’t seem to find it under my account or something like that.

How can I start a topic online?

Any ideas about the sound cards?

If it makes any difference, jaws wants to add a configuration for “shcore” when I run the settings centre.

I have learned, that this is some sort of “dll” file in windows 10, although why it is using my desktop is a mistery.

 

Sorry if this is rambling.

 

Have a good one and stay safe,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Van Lant, Robin
 

Sometimes, especially with links to Webex or Zoom conference meetings, I find it helpful to right arrow a couple times so that my focus is in the text of the link, not just at the beginning, then the context menu options are there.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.


Ok..but it's still a link...it just has an html text message attached to it that says " click here". It's been a while and of course it's e-mail client dependent, but you should be able to expose it with the context menu...



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: April 6, 2021 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Hi, JM. The links of which Madison and others are talking can't be copied to the address bar, because the link just says, click here, or something like that. It isn't an URL with an http or something like that. If you copy click here into the address bar, that isn't going to take you anywhere.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

You could try just copying the link into your browser's address bar/open dialogue.
When you see these links in your e-mails, are you sure your virtual cursor is on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison
























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moderated Re: [External] : Re: email clients

Don Mauck
 

Good.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: email clients

 

I am not gone, nor do I intend to be.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Mario
 

then it's a matter of right clicking the link and entering on "copy link location" or something to that affect, open a browser and pressing control+l or alt+d, and control+v to paste the link address and pressing enter.
.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@att.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 12:57 PM
Subject: Jaws and links within emails
Hi, JM. The links of which Madison and others are talking can't be copied to
the address bar, because the link just says, click here, or something like
that. It isn't an URL with an http or something like that. If you copy click
here into the address bar, that isn't going to take you anywhere.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

You could try just copying the link into your browser's address bar/open
dialogue.
When you see these links in your e-mails, are you sure your virtual cursor
is on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification
emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the
future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in,
but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on
a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open
hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an
option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and
Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help
is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison



















.


moderated Re: email clients

 

I am not gone, nor do I intend to be.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Gary Ketler
 

Why are you going on about this? You were successful in getting rid of Brian. Relax, and enjoy your victory.

On Apr 6, 2021, at 1:15 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:



I will correct you for I had many individuals email me off list saying it was better that person was gone. Do not think it is ok for your having some knowledge to attack, abuse and ridicule those who come to these lists for help, not to be condemned for seeking the assistance of which these groups are first and for. As I said before and I will hold on firmly, if you want to be part of a group that is willing to treat those within as he does then go and form your own narcissistic group where it will be expected to be treated as Brian continuously treats others. This is unaccepable no matter what anyone knows. He is on these sites for some unknown reason and if it is to simply brag on what is known then move onto your own list. Otherwise, do not defend the abuser no matter how you all feel he helps you. Do not afford yourself to be a defendant of the obviously guilt ridden abuser.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Ricky, you should keep your facts straight, Brian recently decided to unsubscribe from the Windows 10 list and the majority of list members felt this was a great loss.

You seem to be on a personal mission to convince others that just because you don't like his approach nobody should. Interestingly enough once again the majority of people on the Windows 10 list didn't seem to have a big problem with his messages, Brian can be very direct and he may question why somebody asks a question for which it is extremely easy to find an answer and he is definitely correct in saying that there are a few individuals who are just too lazy to take notes and hence ask the same simple things over and over or they ask because they don't want to go out of their comfort zone and try to look up how to do something by looking it up online.

If you like I could send you instructions on how to set up a filter so all Brian's emails go to your trash folder and this way you don't need to experience high blood pressure or waste time to bad mouth him everytime he writes something you don't like.

I by the way am also completely blind, but if you can't accept the fact that not everybody has your personality then maybe you are the one who should start your own list because as other spointed out, most of us are not offended.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

The point is simple, I am and he has attacked individuals on other lists previously. Who cares what he knows. I will not accept his rudeness, attacks etc. towards any blind person no matter their knowledge. He has no right to do this and has been forced off of other groups due to his total lack of respect for anyone. No, you do not know this person and he surely should be removed from tjhis list, no matter what he believes he knows or otherwise. Do not defend those obviously guilty and if you believe you need to, then as I told him, go start your own group list for rude people and go attack one another. He went after Randy and I have no idea how you do not see this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: [External] : Re: email clients

Don Mauck
 

Rick, you are not the “all knowing,” for all blind people. If you want to criticize someone, do it privately. We’ve become very good at putting hate on someone just because we don’t like what they say, how they speak or because you don’t like their opinions, this list should not be about that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: email clients

 

I will correct you for I had many individuals email me off list saying it was better that person was gone. Do not think it is ok for your having some knowledge to attack, abuse and ridicule those who come to these lists for help, not to be condemned for seeking the assistance of which these groups are first and for. As I said before and I will hold on firmly, if you want to be part of a group that is willing to treat those within as he does then go and form your own narcissistic group where it will be expected to be treated as Brian continuously treats others. This is unaccepable no matter what anyone knows. He is on these sites for some unknown reason and if it is to simply brag on what is known then move onto your own list. Otherwise, do not defend the abuser no matter how you all feel he helps you. Do not afford yourself to be a defendant of the obviously guilt ridden abuser.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Ricky, you should keep your facts straight, Brian recently decided to unsubscribe from the Windows 10 list and the majority of list members felt this was a great loss.

You seem to be on a personal mission to convince others that just because you don't like his approach nobody should. Interestingly enough once again the majority of people on the Windows 10 list didn't seem to have a big problem with his messages, Brian can be very direct and he may question why somebody asks a question for which it is extremely easy to find an answer and he is definitely correct in saying that there are a few individuals who are just too lazy to take notes and hence ask the same simple things over and over or they ask because they don't want to go out of their comfort zone and try to look up how to do something by looking it up online.

If you like I could send you instructions on how to set up a filter so all Brian's emails go to your trash folder and this way you don't need to experience high blood pressure or waste time to bad mouth him everytime he writes something you don't like.

I by the way am also completely blind, but if you can't accept the fact that not everybody has your personality then maybe you are the one who should start your own list because as other spointed out, most of us are not offended.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

The point is simple, I am and he has attacked individuals on other lists previously. Who cares what he knows. I will not accept his rudeness, attacks etc. towards any blind person no matter their knowledge. He has no right to do this and has been forced off of other groups due to his total lack of respect for anyone. No, you do not know this person and he surely should be removed from tjhis list, no matter what he believes he knows or otherwise. Do not defend those obviously guilty and if you believe you need to, then as I told him, go start your own group list for rude people and go attack one another. He went after Randy and I have no idea how you do not see this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Rick Mladek
 

I will correct you for I had many individuals email me off list saying it was better that person was gone. Do not think it is ok for your having some knowledge to attack, abuse and ridicule those who come to these lists for help, not to be condemned for seeking the assistance of which these groups are first and for. As I said before and I will hold on firmly, if you want to be part of a group that is willing to treat those within as he does then go and form your own narcissistic group where it will be expected to be treated as Brian continuously treats others. This is unaccepable no matter what anyone knows. He is on these sites for some unknown reason and if it is to simply brag on what is known then move onto your own list. Otherwise, do not defend the abuser no matter how you all feel he helps you. Do not afford yourself to be a defendant of the obviously guilt ridden abuser.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Ricky, you should keep your facts straight, Brian recently decided to unsubscribe from the Windows 10 list and the majority of list members felt this was a great loss.

You seem to be on a personal mission to convince others that just because you don't like his approach nobody should. Interestingly enough once again the majority of people on the Windows 10 list didn't seem to have a big problem with his messages, Brian can be very direct and he may question why somebody asks a question for which it is extremely easy to find an answer and he is definitely correct in saying that there are a few individuals who are just too lazy to take notes and hence ask the same simple things over and over or they ask because they don't want to go out of their comfort zone and try to look up how to do something by looking it up online.

If you like I could send you instructions on how to set up a filter so all Brian's emails go to your trash folder and this way you don't need to experience high blood pressure or waste time to bad mouth him everytime he writes something you don't like.

I by the way am also completely blind, but if you can't accept the fact that not everybody has your personality then maybe you are the one who should start your own list because as other spointed out, most of us are not offended.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

The point is simple, I am and he has attacked individuals on other lists previously. Who cares what he knows. I will not accept his rudeness, attacks etc. towards any blind person no matter their knowledge. He has no right to do this and has been forced off of other groups due to his total lack of respect for anyone. No, you do not know this person and he surely should be removed from tjhis list, no matter what he believes he knows or otherwise. Do not defend those obviously guilty and if you believe you need to, then as I told him, go start your own group list for rude people and go attack one another. He went after Randy and I have no idea how you do not see this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

CJ &AA MAY
 

Funny you mention this, as I had this exact problem with a recent e-mail. A
friend sent me several Dropbox links, all of which I could open either by
press enter on the link or using the context menu to open the link. But
there was just one in the whole list which, when I hit enter on the link,
took me to the subject line and when I tried again, looking in the context
menu, I couldn't actually find the option to open the link. As this was just
one of about a dozen links, I assumed the sender hadn't entered the details
properly.
Alison

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: 06 April 2021 17:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I tried that, but got the same result.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 6, 2021 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification
emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the
future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in,
but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on
a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open
hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an
option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and
Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help
is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Cohn, Jonathan
 

This used to happen to me all the time but I haven't had it occkr in about 6 monds: do notyou have the latest JAWS 2021 or at least the Febuary / march realese?
Jonathan

On Apr 6, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Madison Martin <madisonmartin463@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for. This
is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails, is
there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've tried
changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't made
any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring up
the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but
I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest
versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help
anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks
Madison








moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Madison Martin
 

I don't have a number pad, how else can I check?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: April 6, 2021 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I usually just press the numpad + key to make sure if I'm uncertain. I do have
this problem with outlook where occasionally when viwing a message in html
(where the virtual buffer should automatically be invoked), I'm in "regular" PC
cursor mode instead.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 12:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I have no idea, I never change my cursor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

You could try just copying the link into your browser's address bar/open
dialogue.
When you see these links in your e-mails, are you sure your virtual cursor is
on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails,
is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've
tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't
made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring
up the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but
I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest
versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help
anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks
Madison

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