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moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Bill White
 

What I do when I encounter this problem is to bring up the email inside my
default Internet browser. I do this in the following way,

1. Open the message.
2. Press the following keys, ALT, followed by the letters H, then A,
followed by V.
3. After you get the message that if you bring up the email in your browser,
the security settings may be different from your email program, the message
will open in the browser.
4. Now you can TAB to the link, just as if it were a web page. You shouldn't
be taken anywhere else except for the new web page to which the link is
directing you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sandra
Streeter
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Occasionally, same issue here--haven't yet found a solution, sorry.

Sandra

"May I never get too busy in my own affairs that I fail to respond to the
needs of others with kindness and compassion."
Thomas Jefferson

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I tried that, but got the same result.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 6, 2021 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
realize
that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This
is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails,
is
there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've
tried
changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't
made
any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring
up
the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something,
but
I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the
latest
versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help
anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks
Madison





















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moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

kevin meyers
 

Thanks!!! That worked. I never thought about using insert F7 on a link in an
email. Cheers, Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lori Lynn
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I've had this happen a few times. The way I've gotten the link to work is
press Encert+F7 as if you were on a web page rather than an email.

Lori Lynn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Occasionally, same issue here--haven't yet found a solution, sorry.

Sandra

"May I never get too busy in my own affairs that I fail to respond to the
needs of others with kindness and compassion."
Thomas Jefferson

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I tried that, but got the same result.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 6, 2021 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site,
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42
.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C5cac10d4d7e44a870f5408d8f91712ab%7C84df9e7fe9f
640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637533224775414990%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e
yJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp
;sdata=I6R2iR4i5BiNDHhPSDr74l738N7WQ27nkmFWAwEa2m0%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This
is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails,
is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future?
I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but
this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a
link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open
hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an
option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and
Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help
is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison





















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moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Madison Martin
 

I have no idea, I never change my cursor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

You could try just copying the link into your browser's address bar/open
dialogue.
When you see these links in your e-mails, are you sure your virtual cursor is
on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails,
is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've
tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't
made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring
up the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but
I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest
versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help
anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks
Madison


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

JM Casey
 

You could try just copying the link into your browser's address bar/open
dialogue.
When you see these links in your e-mails, are you sure your virtual cursor
is on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: April 6, 2021 11:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification
emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the
future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in,
but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on
a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open
hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an
option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and
Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help
is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison


moderated Re: [External] : Re: Jaws and links within emails

Don Mauck
 

If I know that the message is in HTML, I've always been able to use the links list without any issues. When not in HTML, I can always use the Forms list, I can find the link and press enter twice and I've always gotten that to work. The only time I have any issues is if my focus is not in the body of the email.
I've always found both of these methods successful. I'm using the latest version of JAWS2021, including today's update and Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.12527.21504.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Jaws and links within emails

Occasionally, same issue here--haven't yet found a solution, sorry.

Sandra

"May I never get too busy in my own affairs that I fail to respond to the needs of others with kindness and compassion."
Thomas Jefferson

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I tried that, but got the same result.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 6, 2021 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.turner42.com__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!Nmnm5tka6ACsJdLFlsH8N40XPqvOXobUEGs7-frS6XLPSFz1kxXMfyZlOkfIahw$



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This
is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison





















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moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Lori Lynn
 

I've had this happen a few times. The way I've gotten the link to work is press Encert+F7 as if you were on a web page rather than an email.

Lori Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Occasionally, same issue here--haven't yet found a solution, sorry.

Sandra

"May I never get too busy in my own affairs that I fail to respond to the needs of others with kindness and compassion."
Thomas Jefferson

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I tried that, but got the same result.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 6, 2021 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C5cac10d4d7e44a870f5408d8f91712ab%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637533224775414990%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=I6R2iR4i5BiNDHhPSDr74l738N7WQ27nkmFWAwEa2m0%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This
is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison





















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moderated Re: email clients

 

Ricky, you should keep your facts straight, Brian recently decided to unsubscribe from the Windows 10 list and the majority of list members felt this was a great loss.

You seem to be on a personal mission to convince others that just because you don't like his approach nobody should. Interestingly enough once again the majority of people on the Windows 10 list didn't seem to have a big problem with his messages, Brian can be very direct and he may question why somebody asks a question for which it is extremely easy to find an answer and he is definitely correct in saying that there are a few individuals who are just too lazy to take notes and hence ask the same simple things over and over or they ask because they don't want to go out of their comfort zone and try to look up how to do something by looking it up online.

If you like I could send you instructions on how to set up a filter so all Brian's emails go to your trash folder and this way you don't need to experience high blood pressure or waste time to bad mouth him everytime he writes something you don't like.

I by the way am also completely blind, but if you can't accept the fact that not everybody has your personality then maybe you are the one who should start your own list because as other spointed out, most of us are not offended.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

The point is simple, I am and he has attacked individuals on other lists previously. Who cares what he knows. I will not accept his rudeness, attacks etc. towards any blind person no matter their knowledge. He has no right to do this and has been forced off of other groups due to his total lack of respect for anyone. No, you do not know this person and he surely should be removed from tjhis list, no matter what he believes he knows or otherwise. Do not defend those obviously guilty and if you believe you need to, then as I told him, go start your own group list for rude people and go attack one another. He went after Randy and I have no idea how you do not see this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

val and david paul <valanddavidp@...>
 

Hi Rick!

At least your willing to stand up and be counted!

On 06/04/2021 17:08, Rick Mladek wrote:

I’m sorry Randy and all else for my needing to step up and have this person stop his antics.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Randy Barnett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:41 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: email clients

As always there are different points of view. But telling a blind person they are basiclly incompatent becuase something is written in a large bold box is not cool. I am surprised you think it is ok.

On 4/6/2021 8:34 AM, Don Walls wrote:

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and
certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s
messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent
criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with
them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is
generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the
mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

Don

*From:*Rick Mladek

*Sent:*Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io

*Subject:*Re: email clients

Brian,

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just
because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down
towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list,
please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other
lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself
when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his
rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation
towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own
list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you
are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight
no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed
yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may
not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected
and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most
ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever
encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will
not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more,
towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I
request this person be removed without further delay.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
<main@jfw.groups.io> <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: email clients

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me. I have been
around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a
decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual
content of a page they post.  And my describing something in
visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have
vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not
be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

/*There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that
the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a
framework upon which great things have been and still will be
built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in
the Constitution," but are allowed under it.*/

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Sandra Streeter
 

Occasionally, same issue here--haven't yet found a solution, sorry.

Sandra

"May I never get too busy in my own affairs that I fail to respond to the
needs of others with kindness and compassion."
Thomas Jefferson

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

I tried that, but got the same result.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 6, 2021 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
realize
that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for.
This
is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails,
is
there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've
tried
changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't
made
any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring
up
the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something,
but
I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the
latest
versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help
anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks
Madison





















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moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Madison Martin
 

I tried that, but got the same result.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: April 6, 2021 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and links within emails

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize
that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for. This
is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails, is
there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've tried
changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't made
any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring up
the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but
I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest
versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help
anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks
Madison


moderated Re: email clients

Rick Mladek
 

I’m sorry Randy and all else for my needing to step up and have this person stop his antics.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

As always there are different points of view. But telling a blind person they are basiclly incompatent becuase something is written in a large bold box is not cool. I am surprised you think it is ok.

On 4/6/2021 8:34 AM, Don Walls wrote:

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Rick Mladek
 

The point is simple, I am and he has attacked individuals on other lists previously. Who cares what he knows. I will not accept his rudeness, attacks etc. towards any blind person no matter their knowledge. He has no right to do this and has been forced off of other groups due to his total lack of respect for anyone. No, you do not know this person and he surely should be removed from tjhis list, no matter what he believes he knows or otherwise. Do not defend those obviously guilty and if you believe you need to, then as I told him, go start your own group list for rude people and go attack one another. He went after Randy and I have no idea how you do not see this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.

 

Don

 

From: Rick Mladek

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Jaws and links within emails

Richard Turner
 

Have yu hit the tab key in the message to get to the link?



Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and links within emails

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for. This is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails, is there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've tried changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't made any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring up the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks Madison


moderated Jaws and links within emails

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
I've had an issue on and off that when I click on a link within an email I'm
taken to the subject of the email and not the webpage that the link is for. This
is extremely annoying especially when it happens with verification emails, is
there anything I can do to prevent this from happening in the future? I've tried
changing the format that email messages are displayed in, but this hasn't made
any difference, I know someone told me that when I'm on a link I can bring up
the context menu and get something that says open hyperlink or something, but
I've tried this and have not yet found such an option. I'm running the latest
versions of Jaws, Edge, Office 365 and Windows 10. Look forward to any help
anyone can provide me, everyone's help is always much appreciated!!!! Thanks
Madison


moderated Re: email clients

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

As always there are different points of view. But telling a blind person they are basiclly incompatent becuase something is written in a large bold box is not cool. I am surprised you think it is ok.

On 4/6/2021 8:34 AM, Don Walls wrote:
Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.
 
Don
 
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients
 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Don Walls
 

Rick, your message seems quite over-the-top.  I am blind and certainly am not offended by Brian’s comments.  As for Randy’s messages, they seem to follow a pattern of his persistent criticism of Brian and I can’t wonder that Brian is fed up with them.  Brian responds frequently to questions on this list and is generous with his time.  We are blind.  It doesn’t give us the mandate to trash others mindlessly with rants.
 
Don
 

From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 8:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients
 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Lee Anne Atkinson
 

Rick,

 

Honestly I have not read the entire thread of this conversation so I might be missing something.  However, I personally enjoy Brian's responses.  I find he is knowledgeable and treats those of us on the list as a peer, not talking down to us.  Sometimes a bit more research is needed before I make any decision with my computer but I find his information helpful. 

 

Again, I may have missed something in the thread.  You can always block any person, on the list or off, if you don't want to hear from them. 

 

I hope you can get your issue resolved. 

 

Lee Anne

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

Brian,

 

It is an obvious pattern with you that you believe that just because you are sighted that you have the ability to talk down towards those who do not. For the administrator of this list, please shut this person up now for he has been this way on other lists/grops previously and has for the better, removed himself when those, as myself, step up and no longer will accept his rudeness, discriminative communication and outright condemnation towards those blind. Brian, do us a favor and go start your own list and again remove yourself from this. You again believe you are above those blind and I will not stand for this on this sight no more than I went up against you on the prevous site you removed yourself from. YOu have no ability to be cordial to those whom may not have as much knowledge towards a problem to have it corrected and although you may believe yourself superior, your the most ignorant individual most of us on these list groups have ever encountered. Remove yourself again and do us all a favor. I will not stand for you to be this way towards those in need and more, towards those blind seeking assistance. For the Administrator, I request this person be removed without further delay.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:43 AM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Once again you are totally wrong in your assumptions.

-
Randy, please stop your incessant preaching at me.  I have been around screen readers and screen reader users for well over a decade now.

I cannot help it if someone does not bother to vet the actual content of a page they post.  And my describing something in visual terms, as there are many here who did at one time have vision or still have some residual vision, cannot and should not be considered an insult to anyone who doesn't.

I don't give a damn about your opinions.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Comparing 2 word documents

Phillip Gross
 

Thanks. I'll give this a shot tonight.


moderated Re: email clients

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:01 AM, Rick Mladek wrote:
You again believe you are above those blind
-
No, I do not.  And I do not treat individuals who happen to be blind any differently that I do those who happen to be able to see.

If the Group Owner wishes to remove me from this list, then so be it.  I doubt that you will get much support for your call for that, as your complaints are without merit.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Loy
 


Well, I still use Outlook Express and it works great for my needs and MS hasn't supported it in many years. So if Outlook 2010 still works for your needs don't worry about it not being supported.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: email clients

Well, as long as I can still send and receive emails with Outlook 2010 and the other programs in Office 2010 Pro continue to work, I really don't care whether Microsoft supports them or not. I've been using 2010 for several years now and don't believe I've received any support from Microsoft during that time including before 10/13/20 when it was still supported.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 9:53 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:35 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Well, It would appear that Micprosoft is still supporting it at least on this site:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-help-and-support-for-outlook-2010-df1ceeb5-075f-4ec1-ade8-8893c35731bd

-
That states, in a big, bold box at its very outset:  

Support for Office 2010 ended on October 13, 2020


--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel

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