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moderated Re: email clients

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Hi again,

After going back to the page with Jaws and Edge, I finally found that heading, once, but it was skipped the first time.

When I went back again, it was not there unless I expanded one of their support options.

 

I can only say, that Microsoft could easily make that information more apparent for a blind user by not just having it in one line in a heading level 3.

It should have been in a heading level 1 and perhaps repeated later on the page since using their own products, it was easily missed.

 

I’m glad I have Microsoft 365.

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

You do realize "in a big, bold box" means nothing to blind people right?  To us it is just one line like the rest of the page and could be missed. So pointing this out the way you did is just not cool...

On 4/5/2021 7:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:35 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Well, It would appear that Micprosoft is still supporting it at least on this site:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-help-and-support-for-outlook-2010-df1ceeb5-075f-4ec1-ade8-8893c35731bd

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That states, in a big, bold box at its very outset:  

Support for Office 2010 ended on October 13, 2020

 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

You do realize "in a big, bold box" means nothing to blind people right?  To us it is just one line like the rest of the page and could be missed. So pointing this out the way you did is just not cool...

On 4/5/2021 7:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:35 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, It would appear that Micprosoft is still supporting it at least on this site:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-help-and-support-for-outlook-2010-df1ceeb5-075f-4ec1-ade8-8893c35731bd
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That states, in a big, bold box at its very outset:  

Support for Office 2010 ended on October 13, 2020

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Thanks Brian.
Jaws, of course, didn't jump to that and I didn't examine the page in great detail but I thought I had gone through it by headings, but apparently too quickly.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 5, 2021, at 7:52 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:35 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, It would appear that Micprosoft is still supporting it at least on this site:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-help-and-support-for-outlook-2010-df1ceeb5-075f-4ec1-ade8-8893c35731bd
-
That states, in a big, bold box at its very outset:  

Support for Office 2010 ended on October 13, 2020

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:35 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Well, It would appear that Micprosoft is still supporting it at least on this site:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-help-and-support-for-outlook-2010-df1ceeb5-075f-4ec1-ade8-8893c35731bd
-
That states, in a big, bold box at its very outset:  

Support for Office 2010 ended on October 13, 2020

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well, It would appear that Micprosoft is still supporting it at least on this site:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-help-and-support-for-outlook-2010-df1ceeb5-075f-4ec1-ade8-8893c35731bd



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 5, 2021, at 7:31 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:



Judy,

 

What do you mean that Outlook 2010 is not supported anymore? Do you have any website references to this such as where it's not supported?

 

Thanks.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 3:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: email clients

 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated Re: email clients

 

Judy,

 

What do you mean that Outlook 2010 is not supported anymore? Do you have any website references to this such as where it's not supported?

 

Thanks.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2021 3:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: email clients

 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated Re: email clients

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

I think web mail is still not as good as applications myself. And I haven't seen any post from blind people saying they prefer web mail. But that's just me. Are used Thunderbird. Outlook if you like it is good.

Randy Barnett

On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:


Well, if people who are blind are choosing to use a method that requires two to three times as many keystrokes to do the same task, that is certainly their right and I say more power to them.
I just logged into gmail on the web.
Yes, it is far better than it was a few years ago.
But, using a gmail account with Outlook, means when I arrow down my inbox, I hear who it is from, the subject and the date.
That was one keypress.
If I go to the gmail web page, It takes three keystrokes to get from one subject (without knowing the sender) to get to the next message subject. The extra keystrokes are going passed the select check mark and the Star check mark.
So, this is really user preference and I want to be really clear, I am not making any value judgement that one way is better than another.
I like the way I do it is all.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
so long as you are accessing the email with an application and not using them through their web site.
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But my point, along with offering a couple of email client options, is that using webmail is precisely what should be done, and far more often.

The days when webmail was mostly inaccessible is long gone.  There seems to be a great deal of "slow on the uptake" of this fact.  And there are a number of folks who post here, on the NVDA Group, and on the Win10 for Screen Reader Users Group who use Gmail webmail as their primary email access method.  If significant gyrations were necessary on a routine basis that would not be the case.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Well, if people who are blind are choosing to use a method that requires two to three times as many keystrokes to do the same task, that is certainly their right and I say more power to them.
I just logged into gmail on the web.
Yes, it is far better than it was a few years ago.
But, using a gmail account with Outlook, means when I arrow down my inbox, I hear who it is from, the subject and the date.
That was one keypress.
If I go to the gmail web page, It takes three keystrokes to get from one subject (without knowing the sender) to get to the next message subject. The extra keystrokes are going passed the select check mark and the Star check mark.
So, this is really user preference and I want to be really clear, I am not making any value judgement that one way is better than another.
I like the way I do it is all.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
so long as you are accessing the email with an application and not using them through their web site.
-
But my point, along with offering a couple of email client options, is that using webmail is precisely what should be done, and far more often.

The days when webmail was mostly inaccessible is long gone.  There seems to be a great deal of "slow on the uptake" of this fact.  And there are a number of folks who post here, on the NVDA Group, and on the Win10 for Screen Reader Users Group who use Gmail webmail as their primary email access method.  If significant gyrations were necessary on a routine basis that would not be the case.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
so long as you are accessing the email with an application and not using them through their web site.
-
But my point, along with offering a couple of email client options, is that using webmail is precisely what should be done, and far more often.

The days when webmail was mostly inaccessible is long gone.  There seems to be a great deal of "slow on the uptake" of this fact.  And there are a number of folks who post here, on the NVDA Group, and on the Win10 for Screen Reader Users Group who use Gmail webmail as their primary email access method.  If significant gyrations were necessary on a routine basis that would not be the case.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Pastor Gilbert Pries <gilp@...>
 

I am using Office 365 personal.

 

I would get that.

 

Pastor Gilbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 1:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: email clients

 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated Re: email clients

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I do not see your statements as contrarian Brian. Those are good alternatives, so long as you are accessing the email with an application and not using them through their web site.
I know people who are still using Eudora.
Just for my own knowledge I will install Thunderbird to see the differences.
I have not tried it in at least 4 years, probably more.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 5, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I'll be the contrarian and throw out there that if all you're looking for is e-mail, and you are already using a Gmail account (as but one example), the webmail interfaces are accessible.  There are a number of members here who've mentioned that this is what they use.

Most of the major webmail interfaces allow you to add additional accounts that are not "their brand," too.

Webmail interfaces seldom undergo radical makeovers, and the small changes that do occur over time are generally easy to adjust to.

Thunderbird is an excellent email client.  The last several versions of eM Client have been getting more and more accessible, and they take feedback from screen reader users seriously.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Dan Longmore
 

G-Mail web mail is good but many web mail screens are not access technology friendly.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 5:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: email clients

 

I'll be the contrarian and throw out there that if all you're looking for is e-mail, and you are already using a Gmail account (as but one example), the webmail interfaces are accessible.  There are a number of members here who've mentioned that this is what they use.

Most of the major webmail interfaces allow you to add additional accounts that are not "their brand," too.

Webmail interfaces seldom undergo radical makeovers, and the small changes that do occur over time are generally easy to adjust to.

Thunderbird is an excellent email client.  The last several versions of eM Client have been getting more and more accessible, and they take feedback from screen reader users seriously.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

 

I'll be the contrarian and throw out there that if all you're looking for is e-mail, and you are already using a Gmail account (as but one example), the webmail interfaces are accessible.  There are a number of members here who've mentioned that this is what they use.

Most of the major webmail interfaces allow you to add additional accounts that are not "their brand," too.

Webmail interfaces seldom undergo radical makeovers, and the small changes that do occur over time are generally easy to adjust to.

Thunderbird is an excellent email client.  The last several versions of eM Client have been getting more and more accessible, and they take feedback from screen reader users seriously.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: email clients

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

If you are used to Outlook, I’d stick with Outlook.

Go with Microsoft 365 if you use more than just outlook.

This will give you Word, Excel, and lots more.

Be sure, if you have a previous office installation that you remove it before installing the new one.

Someone with more technical knowledge could help you make sure your contacts and all stay with you in the new office.

Microsoft accessibility is very helpful with this.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 1:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: email clients

 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated Re: email clients

Dan Longmore
 

Really depends on what you like, special features you like .  Both are reliable .

Also Mail app , built into Windows 10, also works.

I use Thunderbird in an emergency but personally like the response and access of Outlook.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021        4:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: email clients

 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated email clients

Judy
 

Hi, I've been using outlook 2010 and it's not supported anymore so I need to change. What clients do you all use that are relatively easy to navigate and use? I know I can buy micro office 365 or thunderbird which is free. What's your opinions. Thanks in advance. Judy & Libby    


moderated Re: Desk Top short cut

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  Right click, use your application key or right mouse button, on Outlook in your start menu. 

Select “More ”

In the sub menu select “Open File Location.

From there you can again right click and choose:

“Sent To”

One of the sub menu options is

“Desktop (Shortcut)

Select that one and the shortcut will  appear.

 

I feel for you , nothing like having disappearing shortcuts.  Just makes your day,  lol

Dan  

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Doering
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 11:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Desk Top short cut

 

Hello:

After doing a virus scan with Windows Defender and MRT.exe, my desk top short cut for my Outlook 2016 seems to have disappeared and I can’t figure out how to create another desk top short cut for the Outlook app.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.


moderated Re: Desk Top short cut

 

Adding Desktop Shortcuts Under Windows 10
(downloads in DOCX format)
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Desk Top short cut

John Doering
 

Hello:

After doing a virus scan with Windows Defender and MRT.exe, my desk top short cut for my Outlook 2016 seems to have disappeared and I can’t figure out how to create another desk top short cut for the Outlook app.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John Doering
Pricing Analyst

Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
Mobile:
445 S Curtis Rd West Allis, WI 53214
https://ibvi.org

Industries for the Blind & Visually Impaired accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.


moderated Re: jaws 2021 sound and speech problems.

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Have you checked if any Enhancements are turned on, easiest way to get to this is to go to Control Panel > Sounds, then select  your soundcard and go to Properties, here you have several tabs likes this:

General, Levels, Enhancements, AdvancedSpacial Sound

Depending on your card you may or may not have all of these or maybe they are called slightly different things, for me under enhancements I have "Base Boost" and another options "disable all enhancements", if you have this and it is not checked I would try and check it, then tab to Apply and activate it, then OK. If you have a spacial Sound tab also check there and once again I would recommend you check it is set to Off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 5:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2021 sound and speech problems.

 

Hi,

 

The sound card sounds like it has a sore throat, for want of a better explanation.

No matter what card I select, the result is the same.

Anyway, I think I am going to have to get an engineer out to look at the machine.

Now, adobe dc reader is not scrolling, the web browsers are reading things that are not on screen etc.

I did a complete reinstall of windows on Saturday, but the problems have gotten progressively worse in the last two days.

I am beginning to think,that the mother board is damaged.

The machine is unger warranty with del, so hopefully, they will send someone out, or replace the machine.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Regards,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
Sent: Monday 5 April 2021 12:37
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2021 sound and speech problems.

 

Can you better describe your voice issues? 

There is some sound card drivers that turn off sound on a regular basis. This causes JAWS to not speak the beginning of each phrase. There was an option in JAWS 2020/2021 to correct this. You need to open up JAWS settings center to the default set and find a setting about sound in there. Let us know if that is not your issue, or if you can't find the setting with my vague description. 

 

On Apr 4, 2021, at 15:27, Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

The subject of this email is probably not worded right.

I have had to completely reset my del pc, because of sound card problems.

Since fully reinstalling windows, my sound card is speaking like it has a throat problem!!

I have tried using the windows default, and the realtec speakers.

Anyway, there is no difference.

The sound card looks like it is changing, but there is no difference in the actual sound.

Two days of resetting the pc!!!

Anyway to get to my point:

When I am moving through items in a folder, jaws is saying “1 of 5” or “2 of 5” etc.

Is there some way to turn this off?

I know I asked this before, but I can’t find my own topics.

 

On this, when I log into the group via the web, can anyone tell me, how to get a list of my own topics?

I can’t seem to find it under my account or something like that.

How can I start a topic online?

Any ideas about the sound cards?

If it makes any difference, jaws wants to add a configuration for “shcore” when I run the settings centre.

I have learned, that this is some sort of “dll” file in windows 10, although why it is using my desktop is a mistery.

 

Sorry if this is rambling.

 

Have a good one and stay safe,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 

 

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