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moderated jaws 2021 sound and speech problems.

Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
 

Hi,

 

The subject of this email is probably not worded right.

I have had to completely reset my del pc, because of sound card problems.

Since fully reinstalling windows, my sound card is speaking like it has a throat problem!!

I have tried using the windows default, and the realtec speakers.

Anyway, there is no difference.

The sound card looks like it is changing, but there is no difference in the actual sound.

Two days of resetting the pc!!!

Anyway to get to my point:

When I am moving through items in a folder, jaws is saying “1 of 5” or “2 of 5” etc.

Is there some way to turn this off?

I know I asked this before, but I can’t find my own topics.

 

On this, when I log into the group via the web, can anyone tell me, how to get a list of my own topics?

I can’t seem to find it under my account or something like that.

How can I start a topic online?

Any ideas about the sound cards?

If it makes any difference, jaws wants to add a configuration for “shcore” when I run the settings centre.

I have learned, that this is some sort of “dll” file in windows 10, although why it is using my desktop is a mistery.

 

Sorry if this is rambling.

 

Have a good one and stay safe,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 


moderated Re: using a pc with a fingerprint/faceID reader?

Soronel Haetir
 

My problem with the fingerprint scanner has nothing to do with setting
it up (that part went fine), it's just that whether it works for
actual login is very hit-or-miss and it doesn't seem to matter how
often I clean the thing or how carefully I position my finger.

On 4/4/21, Jessica D <jldail13@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,

I’m not sure. It just didn’t say anything at that particular stage, so I got
sighted help, & got it setup.
It works amazingly well.

Thanks,
Jessica
On Apr 4, 2021, at 2:46 AM, Phillip Gross <phillip_gross@outlook.com> wrote:

Okay, a couple of things. I had been using a Surface Book with Face ID for
a couple of years. I had some trouble with it depending on sun glasses,
angle of the screen, etc. I recently got a computer with a fingerprint
reader and I like it much better. Something that helps with both of them is
to go into settings after the computer is scanned up and do another setup of
your finger or your face while using a better screen reader than narrator.


To the original poster, what was the problem with narrator and the
fingerprint reader. I have set up windows multiple times with a fingerprint
reader and it will always say to lift my finger and to place it back down.
Then it will tell me to move my finger around while lifting it and placing
it.






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: using a pc with a fingerprint/faceID reader?

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,

I’m not sure. It just didn’t say anything at that particular stage, so I got sighted help, & got it setup.
It works amazingly well.

Thanks,
Jessica



On Apr 4, 2021, at 2:46 AM, Phillip Gross <phillip_gross@...> wrote:

Okay, a couple of things. I had been using a Surface Book with Face ID for a couple of years. I had some trouble with it depending on sun glasses, angle of the screen, etc. I recently got a computer with a fingerprint reader and I like it much better. Something that helps with both of them is to go into settings after the computer is scanned up and do another setup of your finger or your face while using a better screen reader than narrator.


To the original poster, what was the problem with narrator and the fingerprint reader. I have set up windows multiple times with a fingerprint reader and it will always say to lift my finger and to place it back down. Then it will tell me to move my finger around while lifting it and placing it.


moderated Re: Webmail and buttons not reading for different versions of jaws

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Sarah, 

oh, what a pitty. Okay, so let's try to figure out what it could be by answering a few questions: 

You said it's the same system on both machines, right? If yes, is the Edge version the same on both machines, I mean on both machines is Edge Chromium, not the classical Edge? 

Next questions: does this happen on the site your mentioned only? What about buttons on different sites, were they read properly? 

Does this includes other control types as well, for example links, lists, edits or does JAWS only have problems with buttons? 

Does your fellow tester have JAWS scripts installed? 

Is the window maximized?

What about other screenreaders, does NVDA or Narrator reading the buttons properly? 

All the best
Udo 

Am 03.04.2021 um 22:41 schrieb Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>:

HI,

We did that already, same results; I can hear the buttons, my fellow tester cannot. Oh and btw, it’s the same hotkey in English as in German 😊.

Thanks,

Sarah

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Webmail and buttons not reading for different versions of jaws

 

Hi, 

 

the first thing I would check is to deactivating settings by using the alternate user mode. In German keyboard layout the hot key is JAWS+Space, then pressing Z. This turns this mode on. To turn the mode of press the same hot key again. Perhaps in English keyboard layout there's another hot key, I don't know this. This sets the settings to default values so you can find out if a setting causes this problem. 

 

Good luck

Udo 



Am 01.04.2021 um 22:27 schrieb Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>:

 

Hi all,

 

I did an accessibility test on the webmail client RoundCube and found something quite interesting. To my knowledge RoundCube is up to date; I’m running all the latest versions of Jaws, MS Edge and Windows. I’m able to see all the buttons on the page and when I list links I get all of my email messages. My testing partner is running jaws 2020.2012 and the latest versions of Windows and Edge, he cannot see the buttons, jaws only reports “button”. Our jaws graphic settings are set the same, to “labeled graphics”.  

 

Anyone have any ideas?

 

Thank you,

Sarah Hale

Work: 714.852.3238

 

 

 




moderated Comparing 2 word documents

Phillip Gross
 

I need to compare 2 documents for differences. I am grading one of the Word documents against the other one. These are not short documents. They are approximately 45 pages long.


I know how to proof read, and I have my own speech settings for it that work well for me. However, in this case I will be comparing 2 different documents. The only thing I can think to do is turn on my proof reading settings and go back and fourth through the documents one line at a time. Does anyone have any better ideas?


moderated Re: using a pc with a fingerprint/faceID reader?

Phillip Gross
 

Okay, a couple of things. I had been using a Surface Book with Face ID for a couple of years. I had some trouble with it depending on sun glasses, angle of the screen, etc. I recently got a computer with a fingerprint reader and I like it much better. Something that helps with both of them is to go into settings after the computer is scanned up and do another setup of your finger or your face while using a better screen reader than narrator.


To the original poster, what was the problem with narrator and the fingerprint reader. I have set up windows multiple times with a fingerprint reader and it will always say to lift my finger and to place it back down. Then it will tell me to move my finger around while lifting it and placing it.


moderated Re: More on JFW2021 Woes

Bill White
 

Hi, Dani. This is a known issue stemming from the fact that you are probably using the $90 per year license, rather than the $160 SMA (Software Maintenance Agreement) that was so popular for years. There is something about these $90 per year licenses that is causing them to load incompletely as you said. The only way around it is to unload JAWS and immediately reload JAWS. This will also happen if you reboot or restart your computer.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dani Pagador
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 6:37 PM
To: main
Subject: More on JFW2021 Woes

Hi, Guys.
It looks like something isn't loading all the way. I had to uninstall
JFW2021 and reload it in order to see the full menu. I rechecked the
box for JFW to run in the sys tray.

When I sign in and things initially load, the JFW icon doesn't show up
in the system tray. I have to reload the program for the icon to show
up. I think it was a fluke that I figured that out.

I'm now trying to get my BrailleEdge to work with this version. I
installed the drivers but am not getting it to connect via USB.
Restarting the program, and restarting the system, does nothing.

Ideas?

Thanks,
Dani


moderated More on JFW2021 Woes

Dani Pagador
 

Hi, Guys.
It looks like something isn't loading all the way. I had to uninstall
JFW2021 and reload it in order to see the full menu. I rechecked the
box for JFW to run in the sys tray.

When I sign in and things initially load, the JFW icon doesn't show up
in the system tray. I have to reload the program for the icon to show
up. I think it was a fluke that I figured that out.

I'm now trying to get my BrailleEdge to work with this version. I
installed the drivers but am not getting it to connect via USB.
Restarting the program, and restarting the system, does nothing.

Ideas?

Thanks,
Dani


moderated Re: Webmail and buttons not reading for different versions of jaws

Rayn Darren
 

HI,

We did that already, same results; I can hear the buttons, my fellow tester cannot. Oh and btw, it’s the same hotkey in English as in German 😊.

Thanks,

Sarah

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Webmail and buttons not reading for different versions of jaws

 

Hi, 

 

the first thing I would check is to deactivating settings by using the alternate user mode. In German keyboard layout the hot key is JAWS+Space, then pressing Z. This turns this mode on. To turn the mode of press the same hot key again. Perhaps in English keyboard layout there's another hot key, I don't know this. This sets the settings to default values so you can find out if a setting causes this problem. 

 

Good luck

Udo 



Am 01.04.2021 um 22:27 schrieb Rayn Darren <rayndarren@...>:

 

Hi all,

 

I did an accessibility test on the webmail client RoundCube and found something quite interesting. To my knowledge RoundCube is up to date; I’m running all the latest versions of Jaws, MS Edge and Windows. I’m able to see all the buttons on the page and when I list links I get all of my email messages. My testing partner is running jaws 2020.2012 and the latest versions of Windows and Edge, he cannot see the buttons, jaws only reports “button”. Our jaws graphic settings are set the same, to “labeled graphics”.  

 

Anyone have any ideas?

 

Thank you,

Sarah Hale

Work: 714.852.3238

 

 

 


moderated Re: How can I batch save emails for archiving?

Richard Turner
 

Marty,
Are both addresses with gmail?
Checking your gmail settings on the web could help quite a bit as Brian has said.



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 2, 2021, at 8:46 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Unless you've done something unusual with the IMAP account, any email message you have, no matter how old, remains resident on the server until and unless you delete it.

Email is not like files and folders, it's not a simple copy and paste.

What are the settings (and you can anonymize your address & password, it's the server settings, including checkboxes that are key, and really only for incoming messages) for the POP account?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: How can I batch save emails for archiving?

 

Unless you've done something unusual with the IMAP account, any email message you have, no matter how old, remains resident on the server until and unless you delete it.

Email is not like files and folders, it's not a simple copy and paste.

What are the settings (and you can anonymize your address & password, it's the server settings, including checkboxes that are key, and really only for incoming messages) for the POP account?
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: How can I batch save emails for archiving?

Marty Hutchings
 

I have an email address with one of each POP and IMAP.  I thought that emails in IMAP were only kept on the server for 60 days.  I have emails in my in box from 2015 that I want to keep.  Why can’t I just copy them from their folder on my computer to an external drive?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
The Gospel is fully accessible to all.
 

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: How can I batch save emails for archiving?
 
How are you accessing them?  Look in your account settings in your current email client and the name of the incoming mail server will typically have IMAP in its name if you're using IMAP and POP if you're using POP.

If you're using IMAP, then you don't have to do anything other than to set up your account on your new machine in the email client of your choosing.  All of your mail is kept on the IMAP server and it's fetched when you open a message to read it.

If you're using POP, then a bit more detail would be needed about how your account is currently set up under WLM for POP access.  Things become more complicated because of how POP works and whether you've changed any defaults with regard to how quickly (or slowly) you're purging messages from the server.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: How can I batch save emails for archiving?

 

How are you accessing them?  Look in your account settings in your current email client and the name of the incoming mail server will typically have IMAP in its name if you're using IMAP and POP if you're using POP.

If you're using IMAP, then you don't have to do anything other than to set up your account on your new machine in the email client of your choosing.  All of your mail is kept on the IMAP server and it's fetched when you open a message to read it.

If you're using POP, then a bit more detail would be needed about how your account is currently set up under WLM for POP access.  Things become more complicated because of how POP works and whether you've changed any defaults with regard to how quickly (or slowly) you're purging messages from the server.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated How can I batch save emails for archiving?

Marty Hutchings
 

I am using Windows Live Mail on a Windows 7 computer running JAWS 2021.  I will be switching everything to a new computer and want to move the emails from this computer to the new machine.  Is there a way to do that?


moderated Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

Richard Turner
 

The jaws setting, as far as I know, has nothing to do with the audio ducking setting.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 5:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

 

Do you still have to disable Audio Ducking to use the Jaws setting? Because if so, I prefer to use Silenzio since it works seamlessly on my system, so far.

Marie

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

 

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 12:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I know one person posted that for him this apparently did not work as well as Silenzio, but I know of many others who say it works just as well.

-
And if you're someone who hasn't tried "the JAWS method" it's definitely worth trying just to see if you can be rid of another process running constantly in the background.

It's really a matter of what works, plain and simple, and the fewer things needed to achieve a given end, the better.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

Marie
 

Do you still have to disable Audio Ducking to use the Jaws setting? Because if so, I prefer to use Silenzio since it works seamlessly on my system, so far.
Marie
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out
 
On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 12:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I know one person posted that for him this apparently did not work as well as Silenzio, but I know of many others who say it works just as well.
-
And if you're someone who hasn't tried "the JAWS method" it's definitely worth trying just to see if you can be rid of another process running constantly in the background.

It's really a matter of what works, plain and simple, and the fewer things needed to achieve a given end, the better.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

Mario
 

using Chrome, I do find the links to download the programs. look for a heading level 4 entitled "my computer works".

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@att.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Friday, April 2, 2021, 4:33 PM
Subject: Silenzio 2.0 is Out
This is an English translation, but it doesn't contain the links to download the programs he created.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

au contraire, there is an English translation of his website:

http://www.stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=english&menulang=1

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, April 2, 2021, 10:34 AM
Subject: Silenzio 2.0 is Out
There is nothing like going to the source:
https://stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=30
<https://stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=30>

His pages are in Slovak, and there is no English translation for his
full site yet available, but Google Translate appears to do a very good
job with this page, which includes a comprehensive description of the
program as well as a "What's New" change log:

2.0

- Supported all audio formats
- Warning if audio file is missing
- Prohibited running of multiple instances
- Saved last used audio device
- Minor fixes for small errors.


moderated Re: Facebook messenger

JM Casey
 

Some people set their profiels to “friends only” so you wouldn’t be able to see if they had filled it out unless they were already designated as “friend” on the site.

Unsolicited messages also often go into a separate folder that many people hardly check

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: April 2, 2021 01:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Facebook messenger

 

Okay, I like that question idea.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Facebook messenger

 

I go through the About section looking for things that I know about the person to compare and also look at their friend list to find people in common.  It is hard when there are several people with the same name and they don’t fill in their profile.  Sometimes, I have just sent the person a message with a question that only the person that I am looking for could answer and hope that they get back to me.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
The Gospel is fully accessible to all.

 

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2021 12:24 PM

Subject: Re: Facebook messenger

 

Read the “about” link. If it matches what you know, then you probably have the correct person. Another method is check who their friends are.  I mentioned this because some use a different name.  Sounds dicey I know but, I know of one person who uses a different name to her legal name. The only reason I recognized her was by her friends, we had the same.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: April 2, 2021 9:31 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Facebook messenger

 

How do you folks no you found the right person on messenger whne you have just befriended them?

 

Justin

 

 


moderated Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

 

By the way, just so folks here know, not only Groups.io but a number of other websites do not handle long URLs gracefully when they contain a lot of punctuation characters within them.

The direct download link (as well as the English tranlation page) both contain embedded semicolons, and the link stops being fully "linkified" at that point.

That's the reason I used (and generally use) click-through activation text.  It gets around that problem.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.

            ~Brian Vogel


moderated Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

Richard Turner
 

Try using Microsoft Edge's translate feature on his site.
It is quite good.
I posted the steps earlier,
But, here they are again:


For you and others who want to know how to get Edge to do the translation, hit alt+d to bring up the address bar when you are on the page you want translated.
Tab to show translation options, which for me shows up just after enter immersive reader.
Hit the spacebar on that and you will get your options. The first, of course, is translate page.

HTH,

Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

This is an English translation, but it doesn't contain the links to download the programs he created.

Bill White

billwhite92701@att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 1:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Silenzio 2.0 is Out

au contraire, there is an English translation of his website:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stefankiss.sk%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3Denglish%26menulang%3D1&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C96e3ae9e561d40d7066d08d8f616a795%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637529924439534629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=JEmR4YCsfEHmzXUqJF831Tgfc9dz3PKUUNLvAzWzrns%3D&amp;reserved=0

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Friday, April 2, 2021, 10:34 AM
Subject: Silenzio 2.0 is Out
There is nothing like going to the source:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstefankiss.sk%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DContent%26pa%3Dshowpage%26pid%3D30&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C96e3ae9e561d40d7066d08d8f616a795%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637529924439534629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=KZd37OfO3261P49UH4ASAq%2Fjg3hMb%2BKdUZKIKPURn9A%3D&amp;reserved=0
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstefankiss.sk%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DContent%26pa%3Dshowpage%26pid%3D30&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C96e3ae9e561d40d7066d08d8f616a795%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637529924439534629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=KZd37OfO3261P49UH4ASAq%2Fjg3hMb%2BKdUZKIKPURn9A%3D&amp;reserved=0>

His pages are in Slovak, and there is no English translation for his full site yet available, but Google Translate appears to do a very good job with this page, which includes a comprehensive description of the program as well as a "What's New" change log:

2.0

- Supported all audio formats
- Warning if audio file is missing
- Prohibited running of multiple instances
- Saved last used audio device
- Minor fixes for small errors.

--

Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

*/There are many who labor under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built. Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it./*

~Brian Vogel

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