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moderated Re: Hanging indent word and composition of messages basic html view gmail JAWS2021

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi Shai,

 

I am not sure how that can be accomplished; however, If you put your pc cursor of any of the text in question and press insert +F, it will tell you the spacing. HTH

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hanging indent word and composition of messages basic html view gmail JAWS2021

 

Hello all, 

 

I am trying to create a hanging indent and center in word for a works cited page and I notice that when pressing control t in word (office 365 version installed on computer) or control e that JAWS will state hanging indent or center but the spacing is not shown on the display. Is there a means of setting it so that the spacing will show? 

Also, when composing in gmail basic html view and pressing enter the display still continues to show all text on the same line regardless if I have pressed the return key on the laptop keyboard or braille display. Is there a means of changing this behavior? 

Thank you in advance for any responses. 


Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing tasks.
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moderated Re: Hanging indent word and composition of messages basic html view gmail JAWS2021

Adrian Spratt
 

Shai,

 

If I understand your first question correctly, to find out where a line of text begins, press the home key, then alt-delete. I’m confident that a line has been centered when I get a reading of, say, 3.58 inches.

 

Does that help?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shai
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Hanging indent word and composition of messages basic html view gmail JAWS2021

 

Hello all, 

 

I am trying to create a hanging indent and center in word for a works cited page and I notice that when pressing control t in word (office 365 version installed on computer) or control e that JAWS will state hanging indent or center but the spacing is not shown on the display. Is there a means of setting it so that the spacing will show? 

Also, when composing in gmail basic html view and pressing enter the display still continues to show all text on the same line regardless if I have pressed the return key on the laptop keyboard or braille display. Is there a means of changing this behavior? 

Thank you in advance for any responses. 


Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing tasks.
atvistech@...


moderated Hanging indent word and composition of messages basic html view gmail JAWS2021

Shai
 

Hello all, 

I am trying to create a hanging indent and center in word for a works cited page and I notice that when pressing control t in word (office 365 version installed on computer) or control e that JAWS will state hanging indent or center but the spacing is not shown on the display. Is there a means of setting it so that the spacing will show? 
Also, when composing in gmail basic html view and pressing enter the display still continues to show all text on the same line regardless if I have pressed the return key on the laptop keyboard or braille display. Is there a means of changing this behavior? 
Thank you in advance for any responses. 

Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing tasks.
atvistech@...


moderated Re: How to bookmark on PDF files

Van Lant, Robin
 

I use Control Windows K to set a temporary bookmark.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ryan Bondroff
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 12:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How to bookmark on PDF files

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Hi, what is the  shortcut or command to bookmark on any PDF file when you need a reading break?  I use W10, JAWS 2021 and  Focus 40 and a standard keyboard.

 

eom

 

 


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moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

How do I get to file explorer?
Windows+E, or any other shortcut key you've designed in the File Explorer shortcut. Also, if it's pinned to your task bar, determine in which position it is, then use win+position-number to open it. By default, it's usually in the second or third position.


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moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

I agree with you. I run disk cleanup often. Do you select "Clean up system files"also? This will give you access to windows update, driver files and other storage hogs on your system.


On 3/30/2021 12:07 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yeah, all this makes considerable sense…

I did notice that the “optimise drive” tool in Windows says “defrag” for Hdds and “trim” for SSDs; didn’t really look up the difference but the way its displayed certainly doesn’t make it look like the same process.

Every time I run the optimiser, in any case, it shows that all my drives are ok (eitehr retrimmed or unfragmented) so I just leave it be.

Disk Cleanup is a different story – I do run that every now and then and I would certainly suggest this to get rid of Windows-related and temporary junk.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: March 30, 2021 01:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Unless you do video or audio production you don't need to worry about this. Windows will check the disk once a month unless you change the schedule. As for SSD's: You don't need to do anything special. They have what is called trim. This is the SSD equivalent of defrag. It is all done automatically. Also unless you do professional audio/video production modern SSD's will take longer to die from writes than most computers will last. I have some ssd's that are going on 10 years now. Now if you do do audio/video production the time savings of SSD's will outway any potential longivity of SSDs. As for moving your swap file to a mechanical drive. This totally defeats the benefits of having an SSD. your swap file is a extension of your RAM and needs to be as fast as possible to get decent performance from your computer. Granted RAM is so cheap now that swap files are seldom needed but when it is you don't want it on a slow mechanical hard drive.

On 3/29/2021 5:12 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

JM Casey
 

Yeah, all this makes considerable sense…

I did notice that the “optimise drive” tool in Windows says “defrag” for Hdds and “trim” for SSDs; didn’t really look up the difference but the way its displayed certainly doesn’t make it look like the same process.

Every time I run the optimiser, in any case, it shows that all my drives are ok (eitehr retrimmed or unfragmented) so I just leave it be.

Disk Cleanup is a different story – I do run that every now and then and I would certainly suggest this to get rid of Windows-related and temporary junk.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: March 30, 2021 01:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Unless you do video or audio production you don't need to worry about this. Windows will check the disk once a month unless you change the schedule. As for SSD's: You don't need to do anything special. They have what is called trim. This is the SSD equivalent of defrag. It is all done automatically. Also unless you do professional audio/video production modern SSD's will take longer to die from writes than most computers will last. I have some ssd's that are going on 10 years now. Now if you do do audio/video production the time savings of SSD's will outway any potential longivity of SSDs. As for moving your swap file to a mechanical drive. This totally defeats the benefits of having an SSD. your swap file is a extension of your RAM and needs to be as fast as possible to get decent performance from your computer. Granted RAM is so cheap now that swap files are seldom needed but when it is you don't want it on a slow mechanical hard drive.

On 3/29/2021 5:12 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Glenn,

 

I am not a gamer, but I do assist a couple of my friends in building their systems and this is the best way to go.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 1:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Yeah, I'm investigating to see if my Intel NUC 5 PPYH can also take an M.2 SSD, maybe I can get a small one in terms of GB to benefit from faster boot ups and keep the SATA inside too.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 11:18 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Hi Glenn,

 

You’re right on target with what your saying. I put my OS on the SSD for faster boot ups  and CPU operations and everything on the HDD. It is almost impossible to recover files on a SSd. So I’d rather losing my OS than important files. Besides, a HDD usually shows signs that it is failing; therefore, you can replace it before that happens, hopefully?   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 9:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

If folks are really concerned about writing to their SSD too much, you might consider turning off hibernation, which writes to the SSD/HD whenever your computer hibernates.

Also, you might set your swap file to a fixed size, so the page file isn't constantly changing size.

And if windows still lets you, if you have a secondary drive in your computer, put your pagefile.sys file on the second internal HD drive, so windows isn't constantly writing on the SSD.

You can move your commonly used folders like downloads and documents to a secondary HDD.

There is also a windows feature that I have never used, called super fetch.

If you disable that, it should also help save your SSD from too much writing.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:26 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Sure, but why do it if there’s 0 benefit, and even if it’s slightly detrimental. It’s just a waste of time and resources, and if the oS itself doesn’t provide for it…that’s a pretty good indication.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 08:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

As I stated, don't be scared of it, it's not a big deal if it happens a few times.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated How to bookmark on PDF files

Ryan Bondroff <deafblindadvocate@...>
 

Hi, what is the  shortcut or command to bookmark on any PDF file when you need a reading break?  I use W10, JAWS 2021 and  Focus 40 and a standard keyboard.

 

eom

 




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moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Unless you do video or audio production you don't need to worry about this. Windows will check the disk once a month unless you change the schedule. As for SSD's: You don't need to do anything special. They have what is called trim. This is the SSD equivalent of defrag. It is all done automatically. Also unless you do professional audio/video production modern SSD's will take longer to die from writes than most computers will last. I have some ssd's that are going on 10 years now. Now if you do do audio/video production the time savings of SSD's will outway any potential longivity of SSDs. As for moving your swap file to a mechanical drive. This totally defeats the benefits of having an SSD. your swap file is a extension of your RAM and needs to be as fast as possible to get decent performance from your computer. Granted RAM is so cheap now that swap files are seldom needed but when it is you don't want it on a slow mechanical hard drive.

On 3/29/2021 5:12 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Madison Martin
 

Thanks Mike, I was able to check and change the schedule.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: March 30, 2021 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

After you open, File Explorer, also called, Windows Explorer, highlight your operating system drive.

 

Press, Alt + Enter, to open the properties. 

Or, with the drive highlighted open the context menu with the Applications key or Shift + F10, up arrow to, Properties, and press enter.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 9:00 AM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

How do I get to my drive’s properties?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: March 30, 2021 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Maddison:

 

From anywhere within Windows, press WINDOWS KEY+E, and File Explorer will open.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

How do I get to file explorer?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: March 29, 2021 8:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Hi JM,

 

The default setting is to check the drive once a month, at least that's what it was on my Windows 10 Pro system using a solid state drive, but it can be changed to weekly or turned off.

 

To check / change the defrag settings open File Explorer and highlight your OS drive.

 

Open the drive's properties and, control + tab to the, Tools, page.

 

Tab to, optimize and defrag... button, and press the spacebar.  You'll find a list of drives and their status will be reported if you arrow from drive to drive

 

You tab to find more options like analyze, optimize, schedule on or off, frequency of optimizing / defragging.  In order to get to scheduling / frequency settings you have to spacebar the, change settings button.

 

I know I'm missing a thing or 2, but to see what is there go into the drive properties and take a look around on the Tools page / tab.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Sure, but why do it if there’s 0 benefit, and even if it’s slightly detrimental. It’s just a waste of time and resources, and if the oS itself doesn’t provide for it…that’s a pretty good indication.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 08:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

As I stated, don't be scared of it, it's not a big deal if it happens a few times.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Mike B.
 

After you open, File Explorer, also called, Windows Explorer, highlight your operating system drive.
 
Press, Alt + Enter, to open the properties. 
Or, with the drive highlighted open the context menu with the Applications key or Shift + F10, up arrow to, Properties, and press enter.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

How do I get to my drive’s properties?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: March 30, 2021 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Maddison:

 

From anywhere within Windows, press WINDOWS KEY+E, and File Explorer will open.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

How do I get to file explorer?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: March 29, 2021 8:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Hi JM,

 

The default setting is to check the drive once a month, at least that's what it was on my Windows 10 Pro system using a solid state drive, but it can be changed to weekly or turned off.

 

To check / change the defrag settings open File Explorer and highlight your OS drive.

 

Open the drive's properties and, control + tab to the, Tools, page.

 

Tab to, optimize and defrag... button, and press the spacebar.  You'll find a list of drives and their status will be reported if you arrow from drive to drive

 

You tab to find more options like analyze, optimize, schedule on or off, frequency of optimizing / defragging.  In order to get to scheduling / frequency settings you have to spacebar the, change settings button.

 

I know I'm missing a thing or 2, but to see what is there go into the drive properties and take a look around on the Tools page / tab.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Sure, but why do it if there’s 0 benefit, and even if it’s slightly detrimental. It’s just a waste of time and resources, and if the oS itself doesn’t provide for it…that’s a pretty good indication.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 08:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

As I stated, don't be scared of it, it's not a big deal if it happens a few times.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated Re: cursor moves back to top of email

Mike B.
 

Hi Kevin & Richard,
 
I don't run Outlook, so this is only something to try to see if it'll take care of what you're wanting.
 
Open the Settings Center while in the application or open the default all applications Settings Center if you want to do this for all applications.
 
 
Down arrow to, Web / HTML / PDFs closed, right arrow to open.
 
 
Down arrow to, Reading, right arrow to open.
 
 
Down arrow to, Configure Web Verbosity Levels closed, right arrow to open.
 
 
Down arrow to, Medium..., press the spacebar to open.  Note, don't press enter here, only use the spacebar.
 
 
Down arrow many times to, Table grid checked, and uncheck this to see if this helps.
 
Note: Instead of down arrowing you can tap the letter, T, until you get to, Table grid, as well.
 
 
Now, tab to, Okay, press the spacebar tab to, apply, press the spacebar and tab to, okay, and press enter to save / close.
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 
 
 
From:
Adrian Spratt
 
Mike,
 
I had the same problem with Outlook 2016, and the quick settings remedy was no longer working. So far this morning, the procedure you lay out here has
worked. It makes a huge difference.
 
Once again, thanks.
 
Adrian  
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: cursor moves back to top of email

I do not know about keeping the cursor from moving.  I don’t think I’ve experienced that unless I closed the message.

 

As for having it not turn into table mode, my guess is it could have been a table but Jaws wasn’t indicating that when you were reading.

Tables only show up in HTML format I think.

I guess you could set Outlook to compose in plain text; something I personally do not like because links and such can get more easily messed up.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: cursor moves back to top of email

 

Hello,

I’m using most recent versions of Windows10, Outlook2016 and Jaws2021. I will be reading an email and then for some reason I need to flip to another window. When I come back to the open email my cursor is at the top of the email. In the past I use to press control R to act like I’m replying to it. I then move down to the original email and my cursor will remain in that particular spot when I flip to another window and come back. Yet in a particular email the text in the original email turns into a table. First of all is there a way I can setup Jaws so the cursor doesn’t move up to the top when I leave the open email going to a different window? Or if I do a reply the original email doesn’t turn into table format?

Thanks,

Kevin

When I’m in an email and


moderated Re: Whats app navigation

Klaus Vielhauer
 

Hello,


so far I was successful only partially:

After installing Tampermonkey that is now in my windows edge browser,

I went  to https://github.com/juliano-lopes/accessibility-by-force

After opening this web page

I clicked  the link "WhatsApp web with more accessability"
this brought me to another website related to tambermonkey but there was no linkt labelled "install".

Srprisingly  the whatsapp script was - after accepting a security warning - sdownloaded to my downloadfolder.

Now it sits in my download folder

Any ideas how to get it installed?


Klaus

On 3/29/2021 2:19 PM, Sameer wrote:

Pasting the instructions for installing the Whatzapp Web scrips.



After installing Tampermonkey, go to

https://github.com/juliano-lopes/accessibility-by-force

After opening this web page just navigate between headings and links
with their respective quick keys.
Then you will get a link name with "WhatsApp web with more
accessibility", press enter on it.
Then there will be an another tab which is now opened, there you will
get install button simply press enter on it
after installation of that script just simply go to the WhatsApp web
and turn on the script by pressing alt + s & if you get in the another
language simply
change the language by pressing alt + l and choose English, now your
script is successfully activated and it will work in English language.

Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey

On 29-03-2021 01:14 pm, Brian D wrote:
Hi.

I'm a regular user of Whatsapp, so this inerests me.

Once I install the extension, how do I install the scripts? This is not clear to me.


Best wishes,

Brian Dalton.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Faraz via groups.io
Sent: Monday 29 March 2021 07:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Whats app navigation

Hello I just installed the scripts today. You far may refer to the youtube video title WhatsApp scripts for blinds and use the download links given in video description.
On 28-Mar-2021, at 7:55 PM, Jed Barton <jedbarton@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey there, I couldn't download the tampermonkey thing for firefox.
It said that the page was no longer available.  Any ideas?

Thanks,

Jed

On 3/28/21, Faraz <faraz.aqureshi@gmail.com> wrote:
hello, i've managed to install the script file some how but, when i
launch the scripts short keys are not working properly. for example.
after launching scripts if i press alt+c its took me to the google
crome manue instead of chat list. any solution for that ?

best,

Faraz.

On 25/03/2021 9:13 pm, Sameer wrote:

Pasting below a mail regarding scrips for Whatzapp Web which I
received from another list. The scrips work with JAWS.

Hello everyone! in this article  I will  speak a little about
accessibility and usability, specificly on Whatsapp Web, and sharing
a script, users of screen
reader, can work on   Whatsapp by the computer with more autonomy,
practicality and confidence.

The informations about the script and its installation are bellow: :

To use the scripts, it is necessary to have the extension
Tampermonkey for your browser (Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox,
Opera, Microsoft Edge ou Safari).
After that, just access the script, which will be recognized by
Tampermonkey, and click on install.

WhatsappWebWithMoreAccessibility

After installing the script for Whatsapp Web,
WhatsappWebWithMoreAccessibility, when accessing the app, you must
wait for the application to load and then use the shortcut ALT + S.
If the script is deactivated, the message:
Script activated successfully will be displayed; if the script is
already activated, an alert will be given with the message Script
disabled. When you deactivate it, all elements and shortcuts created
by it will be removed, except the activation and deactivation
shortcut.

Added elements and labels

With WhatsappWebWithMoreAccessibility enabled, the following
modifications will be applied:
• Before the panel with the chat list there will be a level 1 header
H1 to facilitate navigation via the screen reader, by pressing the 'h'
key or the
number '1' in the navigation mode;
• After opening a chat, at the beginning of the contact / group area
there will be a level 2 H2 header, with the label "Active chat +
CONTACT / GROUP NAME", which can be accessed by pressing the 'h' key
or number 2 in browse mode; • The emogi buttons will be labeled
above the message writing field in the footer; • After the message
writing field, there will be a button with the label "Record voice
message" if the text field is clear, or "Send text message" if it is
filled; • When you click on the "Record Voice Message" button, a
"Cancel recording" button, the recording time and another button
with the label "Send voice message"
will appear below the message field;

Shortcut keys

After enabling WhatsappWebWithMoreAccessibility, the following
shortcut keys are available:
• ALT + a: focus on the options for choosing the type of attachment
to be sent in the active chat; • ALT + B: focus on the search field
and label it as "Search chat and contacts ..."; • ALT + C: focus on
the chat list; • ALT + E: puts the focus on the message writing
field and labels it "Write a message (name of the active chat)"; •
ALT + L: opens an options box to select the language of the script
(Portuguese, English or Spanish), after pressing the 'enter' key in
the desired option, the script messages will be in that language; •
ALT + M: puts the focus on the message list of the active chat; •
ALT + S: activate and deactivate the script; • ALT + T: speak the
title of the active chat.
NOTE: sometimes NVDA does not go into focus mode automatically when
using shortcuts, so you may need to put it in focus mode with the
shortcut NVDA + space bar. Other keys can be configured as the NVDA
key, but by default it is 'Insert'.

Links bellow:

TamperMonkey for  Google Chrome:
https://bit.ly/TamperMonkeyGoogleChro...

TamperMonkey for  Mozilla Firefox:
https://bit.ly/TamperMonkeyMozillaFir...

TamperMonkey for  Microsoft Edge:
https://bit.ly/TamperMonkeyMicrosoftEdge,

TamperMonkey for Opera:
https://bit.ly/TamperMonkeyOpera-EN_US,

Script WhatsappWebWithMoreAccessibility:
https://bit.ly/WhatsappWebWithMoreAcc...


Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey

On 25-03-2021 05:43 pm, Klaus Vielhauer wrote:
Hello

I have "whatsapp web" on my windows PC installed.

Although this is a official windows program Most of the tasks seem
not accessable with Jaws and some of the buttons are not labelled.

Are there any shortcut keys?

I was able to compose a message but So far I was not able to access
the send button.

Reaching received messages is also a real challenge - at least for me.


Any help is appreciated.


Klaus








--

With best regards,
Faraz q.
C.E.O. Estate Point
Cell\Whats app\Face time: +923218405089
www.facebook.com/estatepoint786


















moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Madison Martin
 

How do I get to my drive’s properties?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: March 30, 2021 10:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Maddison:

 

From anywhere within Windows, press WINDOWS KEY+E, and File Explorer will open.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

How do I get to file explorer?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: March 29, 2021 8:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Hi JM,

 

The default setting is to check the drive once a month, at least that's what it was on my Windows 10 Pro system using a solid state drive, but it can be changed to weekly or turned off.

 

To check / change the defrag settings open File Explorer and highlight your OS drive.

 

Open the drive's properties and, control + tab to the, Tools, page.

 

Tab to, optimize and defrag... button, and press the spacebar.  You'll find a list of drives and their status will be reported if you arrow from drive to drive

 

You tab to find more options like analyze, optimize, schedule on or off, frequency of optimizing / defragging.  In order to get to scheduling / frequency settings you have to spacebar the, change settings button.

 

I know I'm missing a thing or 2, but to see what is there go into the drive properties and take a look around on the Tools page / tab.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Sure, but why do it if there’s 0 benefit, and even if it’s slightly detrimental. It’s just a waste of time and resources, and if the oS itself doesn’t provide for it…that’s a pretty good indication.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 08:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

As I stated, don't be scared of it, it's not a big deal if it happens a few times.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Dave Durber
 

Maddison:
 
From anywhere within Windows, press WINDOWS KEY+E, and File Explorer will open.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

How do I get to file explorer?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: March 29, 2021 8:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Hi JM,

 

The default setting is to check the drive once a month, at least that's what it was on my Windows 10 Pro system using a solid state drive, but it can be changed to weekly or turned off.

 

To check / change the defrag settings open File Explorer and highlight your OS drive.

 

Open the drive's properties and, control + tab to the, Tools, page.

 

Tab to, optimize and defrag... button, and press the spacebar.  You'll find a list of drives and their status will be reported if you arrow from drive to drive

 

You tab to find more options like analyze, optimize, schedule on or off, frequency of optimizing / defragging.  In order to get to scheduling / frequency settings you have to spacebar the, change settings button.

 

I know I'm missing a thing or 2, but to see what is there go into the drive properties and take a look around on the Tools page / tab.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Sure, but why do it if there’s 0 benefit, and even if it’s slightly detrimental. It’s just a waste of time and resources, and if the oS itself doesn’t provide for it…that’s a pretty good indication.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 08:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

As I stated, don't be scared of it, it's not a big deal if it happens a few times.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Madison Martin
 

How do I get to file explorer?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: March 29, 2021 8:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Hi JM,

 

The default setting is to check the drive once a month, at least that's what it was on my Windows 10 Pro system using a solid state drive, but it can be changed to weekly or turned off.

 

To check / change the defrag settings open File Explorer and highlight your OS drive.

 

Open the drive's properties and, control + tab to the, Tools, page.

 

Tab to, optimize and defrag... button, and press the spacebar.  You'll find a list of drives and their status will be reported if you arrow from drive to drive

 

You tab to find more options like analyze, optimize, schedule on or off, frequency of optimizing / defragging.  In order to get to scheduling / frequency settings you have to spacebar the, change settings button.

 

I know I'm missing a thing or 2, but to see what is there go into the drive properties and take a look around on the Tools page / tab.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 5:26 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Sure, but why do it if there’s 0 benefit, and even if it’s slightly detrimental. It’s just a waste of time and resources, and if the oS itself doesn’t provide for it…that’s a pretty good indication.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 08:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

As I stated, don't be scared of it, it's not a big deal if it happens a few times.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    


moderated Re: cursor moves back to top of email

Richard Turner
 

I do not know about keeping the cursor from moving.  I don’t think I’ve experienced that unless I closed the message.

 

As for having it not turn into table mode, my guess is it could have been a table but Jaws wasn’t indicating that when you were reading.

Tables only show up in HTML format I think.

I guess you could set Outlook to compose in plain text; something I personally do not like because links and such can get more easily messed up.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: cursor moves back to top of email

 

Hello,

I’m using most recent versions of Windows10, Outlook2016 and Jaws2021. I will be reading an email and then for some reason I need to flip to another window. When I come back to the open email my cursor is at the top of the email. In the past I use to press control R to act like I’m replying to it. I then move down to the original email and my cursor will remain in that particular spot when I flip to another window and come back. Yet in a particular email the text in the original email turns into a table. First of all is there a way I can setup Jaws so the cursor doesn’t move up to the top when I leave the open email going to a different window? Or if I do a reply the original email doesn’t turn into table format?

Thanks,

Kevin

When I’m in an email and


moderated cursor moves back to top of email

kevin meyers
 

Hello,

I’m using most recent versions of Windows10, Outlook2016 and Jaws2021. I will be reading an email and then for some reason I need to flip to another window. When I come back to the open email my cursor is at the top of the email. In the past I use to press control R to act like I’m replying to it. I then move down to the original email and my cursor will remain in that particular spot when I flip to another window and come back. Yet in a particular email the text in the original email turns into a table. First of all is there a way I can setup Jaws so the cursor doesn’t move up to the top when I leave the open email going to a different window? Or if I do a reply the original email doesn’t turn into table format?

Thanks,

Kevin

When I’m in an email and


moderated Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Dave Durber
 

Hello there:
 
At least since Windows 7, Defrag is turned on by default. It is also set by default, to defragany Hard Disk Drive (HDD), once a week. If a Solid State Drive (SSD), is detected, a procedure, called "Retrimming", is occasionally performed. How often the retrimming process is performed on any SSD drives, is not clear. I have 2 SSD Drives in 4 Desktop systems. On what I call my main storage computer, the system drive, has not been  Retrimmed for 32 days, while Drive F, was retrimmed a week ago yesterday, on 22nd March.
 
HTH
 
Dave Durber
 

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

Windows 10 does do some automatic defragging. How much, when, and so on, I’m not exactly sure. however I have had this computer since 2017 and never needed to run the utility manually on any of my hdds (they all show 100% not fragmented).

And yes, as has been said, don’t defrag an SSD. Not even sure that Windows 10 native defragger will *let* you do that, though some third party utilities might…just don’t do it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: March 29, 2021 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Albert,

You will always want to do a disk cleanup first, then do a defrag.

The disk cleanup will make space that the defrag will write data onto to make a tighter usage of the disk.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 12:38 PM

Subject: Question regarding either of these options.

 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Does windows ten, have a utility built into it that will automatically do both a disk defrag, and a disk cleanup on a weekly schedule, or do you have too do it yourself?  If not, which one do you have too do first.  In other words, should I do a disk  defrag first, and then do a disk cleanup second 

 

Thanks in advance, 

 

Al   ? Which one comes first.    

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