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moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Scott Pearl
 

Brian,

This is a good resource, thank you. Do you know how it differs from JAWS convenient OCR? Are there advantages?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Oh, and I forgot to note in my last message that while PDF-Xchange Viewer is a really excellent tool for running OCR and then saving the resulting text layer with the original file so that you never need to do it again, it is NOT near to 100% accessible.  You should read the resulting files using the PDF reader of your preference.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Oh, and I forgot to note in my last message that while PDF-Xchange Viewer is a really excellent tool for running OCR and then saving the resulting text layer with the original file so that you never need to do it again, it is NOT near to 100% accessible.  You should read the resulting files using the PDF reader of your preference.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

There are still scads of image scanned PDFs out there that are unlikely to be OCR converted by the people sending them around.

See my post from 2018 on the NVDA Group entitled:  Free & Good OCR Software for Image Scanned PDFs

The advice still stands and the steps are screen reader agnostic, as the shortcuts involved are for PDF-Xchange Viewer.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi,

Have you tried using Google chrome to open your pdf’s.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

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moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Jasmine Kotsay
 

You may want to try Abbyy Fine Reader

On Mar 11, 2021, at 8:20 AM, Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:



Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

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moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Richard Turner
 

Have you tried Jaws built-in convenient OCR?

 

Otherwise, you probably have to reach out to the person creating the PDF to see if they cannot improve the structure.

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

--

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moderated Re: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

Milton Ota
 

Hi,

 

If you have the most current version of JAWS, the OCR feature is probably the best thing for quick and fast reading of PDF‘s.

 

You can find find information on the Freedom Scientific website on how to use the OCR in JAWS.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Benstead
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:16 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

 

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moderated Resources for accessing PDFs with JAWS

James Benstead
 

Are there any good tutorials or resources covering how JAWS can be used to access PDFs, and how PDFs can be manipulated to work better with JAWS? I know how to read through a well put together PDF, and I know how to OCR and Autotag a PDF in Acrobat Pro, but I'm still having problems dealing with a lot of PDFs I encounter day to day.

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moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mario
 

oh yes, I understand now.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2021, 9:47 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
Hi Mario,

If you look in the address bar of your browser you can see your URL address. Sometimes the URL begins with "http" (= Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or "https" (HyperText Transfer Protocol Secure). If you see the "https" your connection between the site and your browser is secure that means it's encrypted.

This is important if you want to send some data to the web and don't want others to read them.

I think Freedom Scientific combined the announcement of the secure state to forms mode because if there's a form you might send the data in the web. Therefore it's good to know. Unluckily there's no announcement if you use the sound and this is the reason I changed this and added the script so you can get this information by pressing a hot key.

Udo


Am 11.03.2021 um 15:26 schrieb Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com>:

what is the significance of when forms mode is in secure state?
never heard of it before.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:35 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
Hi all,

in a private message I got asked to include the announcement of secure
state in the forms mode script. I've done this and added a script too so
you can asign a hot key to it and use it even if you prefer to use sound
feedback on forms mode.

Here are the link, use my scripts to your own risk:

https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k
<https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k>

Have fun
Udo













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moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Anita, 

to change the setting, either hearing sounds or let JAWS speak forms mode, you can do this steps: 

  • Press JAWS+6 to open Settings Manager
  • type the word "sound"
  • Use cursor down key till you hear "Enable Sound Notifications"
  • Press space key to check or uncheck this setting 
  • Leave the dialog by pressing OK button 

Hope this helps, good luck 
Udo 

Am 11.03.2021 um 14:03 schrieb Anita <braille775@...>:

Hi, 
How does one modify settings for Forms Node? I am still new to Jfw.
Thanks,
Anita


On Feb 28, 2021, at 11:21 PM, Laura Shumate <snowflake122188@...> wrote:

Hi there,
If you go into Forms Mode and then hit escape it will say forms mode
off and then If the Auto Forms Mode setting is set, you will hear the
Tones if your setting for the speech Dpesm't say it is on or off the
tones do help.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@...







moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Mario,

If you look in the address bar of your browser you can see your URL address. Sometimes the URL begins with "http" (= Hypertext Transfer Protocol) or "https" (HyperText Transfer Protocol Secure). If you see the "https" your connection between the site and your browser is secure that means it's encrypted.

This is important if you want to send some data to the web and don't want others to read them.

I think Freedom Scientific combined the announcement of the secure state to forms mode because if there's a form you might send the data in the web. Therefore it's good to know. Unluckily there's no announcement if you use the sound and this is the reason I changed this and added the script so you can get this information by pressing a hot key.

Udo

Am 11.03.2021 um 15:26 schrieb Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com>:

what is the significance of when forms mode is in secure state?
never heard of it before.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:35 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
Hi all,

in a private message I got asked to include the announcement of secure
state in the forms mode script. I've done this and added a script too so
you can asign a hot key to it and use it even if you prefer to use sound
feedback on forms mode.

Here are the link, use my scripts to your own risk:

https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k
<https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k>

Have fun
Udo







moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Anita
 

Hi, 
How does one modify settings for Forms Node? I am still new to Jfw.
Thanks,
Anita


On Feb 28, 2021, at 11:21 PM, Laura Shumate <snowflake122188@...> wrote:

Hi there,
If you go into Forms Mode and then hit escape it will say forms mode
off and then If the Auto Forms Mode setting is set, you will hear the
Tones if your setting for the speech Dpesm't say it is on or off the
tones do help.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@...






moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mario
 

what is the significance of when forms mode is in secure state?
never heard of it before.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io [mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Thursday, March 11, 2021, 12:35 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
Hi all,

in a private message I got asked to include the announcement of secure
state in the forms mode script. I've done this and added a script too so
you can asign a hot key to it and use it even if you prefer to use sound
feedback on forms mode.

Here are the link, use my scripts to your own risk:

https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k
<https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZ07GkZVsqPT2tA9Y4eQ89ykgWrwRt2O09k>

Have fun
Udo


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi all, 

in a private message I got asked to include the announcement of secure state in the forms mode script. I've done this and added a script too so you can asign a hot key to it and use it even if you prefer to use sound feedback on forms mode. 

Here are the link, use my scripts to your own risk: 


Have fun
Udo 


moderated Re: A question for HP laptop users

Zel Iscel
 

Thanks Brian. Luckily for me, my laptop presented the same way as Robert’s so it was easy to disable the touchpad. I just thought there was a shortcut key for it like Toshiba did.

 

I can live without it though.

 

Cheers

Zel

 

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Disability Specialist

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Mobile: 0413813885

Email: zel@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2021 12:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A question for HP laptop users

 

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:21 AM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:

I pressed Windows key, typed “touchpad” (all one word) in the search and it came right up.

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This part should be true for any laptop user.  But what happens afterward is directly dependent on the actual touchpad hardware you have and what part of its driver has a direct interface with Windows.

In the case of my HP laptop, when you do that search, the only option that shows up in Windows 10 Touchpad Settings (which is in the Devices dialog) is for touch sensitivity.  And if you choose Precision Touchpad Settings from that search it opens precisely the same Touchpad dialog.  The only way to get to the "under the hood" touchpad settings on this machine is either using the Additional Settings link in that particular pane or using another method to invoke the Synaptics detailed mouse settings dialog.

And my checkbox for Disable internal pointing device when an external USB pointing device is attached is part of the Device Settings tab in the detailed mouse settings dialog.

Given the number of different models of both computers and mousepad hardware out there, dealing with these settings is very much dependent on the exact hardware.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Short! successfully restored Re: Test, trying to restore after 5 days of bouncing.

Peter Tesar
 

On 3/10/2021 9:06 PM, Peter Tesar wrote:






moderated Short! Test, trying to restore after 5 days of bouncing.

Peter Tesar
 


moderated Re: Shairing Dictionary files

Mario
 

after a new version of JAWS has been installed, there are numerous entries for 6 languages other than English that are preinstalled and ready for use. not having counted them, I'd imagine that these entries are inclusive of the 2000 limit. so, it very well can be that one can reach the limit relatively quickly by adding a few hundred.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 1:10 PM
Subject: Shairing Dictionary files
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 01:04 PM, Udo Egner-Walter wrote:

Perhaps this is a reason FS won't increase the number of dictionary
entries, only a guess ...

-
Along with the fact that most users will never come close to 2000
entries in all their dictionaries combined. let alone one, if the
samples supplied to me in response to my solicitation of sample
dictionaries is any accurate indication, and I have little reason to
believe it is not.
--

Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

/To think is to differ.
/      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Shairing Dictionary files

 

Udo,

           And I don't disagree that an unlimited number of entries would be preferable.  That being said, there are tons of priorities that must be set, and if there have been very, very few requests to go beyond 2000 entries because it's nust not frequently needed, that would be a very low priority change to make.

           The, "Why not?," is generally answered with another question, "Are there other more important things to fix or add that impact way more users first?"  If the answer to that second question is, "yes," then the other stuff (whatever it may be) gets bumped down on the To Do list.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

To think is to differ.
      ~ Clarence Darrow


moderated Re: Shairing Dictionary files

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Brian,

you wrote.

Along with the fact that most users will never come close to 2000 entries in all their dictionaries combined. let alone one, if the samples supplied to me in response to my solicitation of sample dictionaries is any accurate indication, and I have little reason to believe it is not.
Personally I think it's better to have the possibility to make more than 2000 entries and not use them all instead of reaching the limit and being frustrated about this. if it's possible to increase the number, why not? But as said earlier I don't know if there's a problem of JAWS dealing with such huge numbers of strings.

Udo

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