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moderated List Rules - Mon, 03/01/2021 #cal-notice

main@jfw.groups.io Calendar <noreply@...>
 

List Rules

When:
Monday, 1 March 2021
12:00am to 1:00am
(GMT-05:00) America/New York

Description:
The following is the current version of the JFW Mailing List policies. These are sent out monthly, and also available from:

http://groups.io/g/jfw/wiki/List-Policies 

 

**List Policies**

1: Keep it clean. We're a family list, and there are people here who probably don't want to hear everything *exactly* that's running through your head. If you wouldn't see it on TV, it doesn't belong in a post to the list. If you're not sure, email the administration before you post it to the list. Otherwise, you stand to see your posts moderated.

2: Stay on topic. We're a JFW-oriented list. That said, anything related to JFW, its functionality with programs etc is acceptable. If it doesn't have to do with JFW, it doesn't belong on the list. This includes, but isn't limited to, talk of other screen readers such as Window Eyes.

3: Listen to, and respect, the wishes of the admins/moderators. If you're asked by an admin or moderator to drop a subject, or take something to private emails (in the instance of two people carrying on a thread list-wide), please do so. If the subject is changed on a thread by an admin or moderator, it will be explained why in the email sent out with it. Please don't continue replying to the old subject.

4: Don't ask over the list for a position on the list administration. If you'd like to help out, it's of course welcome, but address the request to do so to the admin team, otherwise it'll be ignored. Requests are always welcome, whether help is being looked for or not. When help is needed, a post will be made to the list. The requests already received will be kept in mind.

5: Keep flaming to a minimum. This is not limited to flaming of each other, but goes beyond that, to flaming of products, opinions, ideas, suggestions, etc. Constructive criticism never hurts. Flame wars, especially public ones, both drive people from this list and are unwelcome here. either take the problem to private emails, or report the problem to list administration.

6. Respect the opinions and views of others. This is *very* important in any environment, most especially an online environment where the only gage one has on a person is what that person puts to writing. If you come off as hostile in your posting, whether you intended to or not, people will take it as such. Online, "face value" means just that. People make mistakes, people don't always have access to the same information you do. For that matter, people don't always have the same experience you do. If you know how someone can solve their problem, great. Suggest it to them and/or the list. Do *not* proceed to tell someone, on or off list, that they have no business posting. Repeat offenders of this particular rule will be banned for a week to 30 days, depending on the severity. Serious problems will be banned permanently.

As always, if there are problems or questions with regards these policies, don't hesitate to send them off-list to jfw+owner@groups.io

James,
List Admin
 


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Laura Shumate
 

Hi there,
If you go into Forms Mode and then hit escape it will say forms mode
off and then If the Auto Forms Mode setting is set, you will hear the
Tones if your setting for the speech Dpesm't say it is on or off the
tones do help.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mark
 

Hi Bill, I think it would be helpful if JAWS had a built in keystroke dedicated to saying if its in forms mode or not. It could help avoid an accidental form submit, which could have a quite significant consequences. Udo's script was basically 5 lines of code, so it's clearly not difficult. 


moderated Re: help! Can I get it back?

CathyAnne Murtha <cathy@...>
 

Oh, that’s good! You might experiment with OneDrive and versions to avoid future issues.

CathyAnne
—-
CathyAnne Murtha
Access Texhnology Institute
cathy@...
(520) 955-6611
 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help! Can I get it back?
 

CathyAnne,

 

I was using Word, but I hadn’t saved it in One Drive. My bad. I do have an older copy of my first draft. So things could be worse.

 

Thanks for responding.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: CathyAnne Murtha
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 8:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help! Can I get it back?

 

What application were you using? 

 

If you were using Word and had your document uploaded to OneDrive, you may be able to recover a version in the backstage info property sheet.

 

CathyAnne

—-

CathyAnne Murtha

Access Texhnology Institute

cathy@...

(520) 955-6611

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 5:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: help! Can I get it back?

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I was nearly halfway through a long piece I was writing, and Suddenly I discovered about 2/3 of what I’ve accomplished has disappeared—poof!

 

Unfortunately I had closed the file and reopened it before I made my discovery. No idea what happened.

Using JAWS, is there a simple way I can recover the missing part of the deleted file.

 

Desperately,

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 


moderated Re: help! Can I get it back?

Shirley Tracy
 

CathyAnne,

 

I was using Word, but I hadn’t saved it in One Drive. My bad. I do have an older copy of my first draft. So things could be worse.

 

Thanks for responding.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: CathyAnne Murtha
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 8:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: help! Can I get it back?

 

What application were you using? 

 

If you were using Word and had your document uploaded to OneDrive, you may be able to recover a version in the backstage info property sheet.

 

CathyAnne

—-

CathyAnne Murtha

Access Texhnology Institute

cathy@...

(520) 955-6611

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 5:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: help! Can I get it back?

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I was nearly halfway through a long piece I was writing, and Suddenly I discovered about 2/3 of what I’ve accomplished has disappeared—poof!

 

Unfortunately I had closed the file and reopened it before I made my discovery. No idea what happened.

Using JAWS, is there a simple way I can recover the missing part of the deleted file.

 

Desperately,

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Bill White
 

Hi, Mark. If you have forms mode set to manual, and forms mode is not currently active or on, and you arrow up and down past a form field, it will say Edit combo. If you are actually in forms mode, and you arrow up and down while forms mode is on, you will not be able to arrow up and down, except if there are more forms fields adjacent to the field you are in. Even then, it will not say edit combo unless forms mode is not currently active.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 7:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Am I in forms mode?

 

It's nice to have a keystroke do one thing, like Udo's script does. 

I'm surprised something dedicated to letting the user know if forms mode is on or off isn't already built into JAWS. It seems really important to me. 

If forms mode is on but you think it's off and so press enter thinking it will activate forms mode, might you accidentally submit the form?


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mark
 

It's nice to have a keystroke do one thing, like Udo's script does. 

I'm surprised something dedicated to letting the user know if forms mode is on or off isn't already built into JAWS. It seems really important to me. 

If forms mode is on but you think it's off and so press enter thinking it will activate forms mode, might you accidentally submit the form?


moderated Re: help! Can I get it back?

CathyAnne Murtha <cathy@...>
 

What application were you using? 

If you were using Word and had your document uploaded to OneDrive, you may be able to recover a version in the backstage info property sheet.

CathyAnne
—-
CathyAnne Murtha
Access Texhnology Institute
cathy@...
(520) 955-6611
 


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 5:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: help! Can I get it back?
 

Hi Everyone,

 

I was nearly halfway through a long piece I was writing, and Suddenly I discovered about 2/3 of what I’ve accomplished has disappeared—poof!

 

Unfortunately I had closed the file and reopened it before I made my discovery. No idea what happened.

Using JAWS, is there a simple way I can recover the missing part of the deleted file.

 

Desperately,

 

Shirley Tracy

 


moderated help! Can I get it back?

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi Everyone,

 

I was nearly halfway through a long piece I was writing, and Suddenly I discovered about 2/3 of what I’ve accomplished has disappeared—poof!

 

Unfortunately I had closed the file and reopened it before I made my discovery. No idea what happened.

Using JAWS, is there a simple way I can recover the missing part of the deleted file.

 

Desperately,

 

Shirley Tracy

 


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mike B.
 


I'm assuming the keystroke you've given is for the laptop layout but, the Active Cursor keystroke for desktop layout is, Alt + Delete.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Am I in forms mode?

Hello,
I know the script was not very difficult to implement, but there is already something quite similar built into JAWS. 
The keystroke alt-numlock period will tell you the active cursor. Sometimes this gives more information than one would want, but if it says 
“PC Cursor” or forms 
, then you will be in a mode where most characters are sent directly to the web page.

This script is called SayActiveCursor if you would like to bind it do a different keystroke.

Jonathan Cohn

On Feb 26, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

Is there a short cut that will tell me if I'm in forms mode or not?


moderated Re: eliminate annoucement of blank lines in Outlook JAWS 2021

Mike B.
 

Also, with Outlook open look in the Settings Center /Miscellaneous / Say Blank for empty and make sure this is unchecked.
This is the Miscellaneous folder that's by itself, number 26 of 27 in the Settings Center folder list.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2021 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: eliminate annoucement of blank lines in Outlook JAWS 2021

Did you check in settings center (insert-6) for Skip Blank Lines While Navigating in the 

ReadingWeb / HTML / PDFs category?

This is turned on in default for me but off in Outlook.

Best Wishes,
Jonathan Cohn



On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:41 PM, Shai <shaiwol@...> wrote:

Hello,
I am wondering if there is a means to have JAWS ignore blank lines
when reading a message in Outlook?
I receive many emails per day and it would be pleasant if there is a
means of doing this. I have been through the schemes and sounds
manager where I did try to edit the classic scheme. I went to the
misc. tab and noticed that new lines only had speak using message
voice or play sound.
Thank you in advance for any responses.


--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be
productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing
tasks.
atvistech@...







moderated Re: eliminate annoucement of blank lines in Outlook JAWS 2021

Cohn, Jonathan
 

Did you check in settings center (insert-6) for Skip Blank Lines While Navigating in the 

ReadingWeb / HTML / PDFs category?

This is turned on in default for me but off in Outlook.

Best Wishes,
Jonathan Cohn



On Feb 28, 2021, at 4:41 PM, Shai <shaiwol@...> wrote:

Hello,
I am wondering if there is a means to have JAWS ignore blank lines
when reading a message in Outlook?
I receive many emails per day and it would be pleasant if there is a
means of doing this. I have been through the schemes and sounds
manager where I did try to edit the classic scheme. I went to the
misc. tab and noticed that new lines only had speak using message
voice or play sound.
Thank you in advance for any responses.


--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be
productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing
tasks.
atvistech@...







moderated eliminate annoucement of blank lines in Outlook JAWS 2021

Shai
 

Hello,
I am wondering if there is a means to have JAWS ignore blank lines
when reading a message in Outlook?
I receive many emails per day and it would be pleasant if there is a
means of doing this. I have been through the schemes and sounds
manager where I did try to edit the classic scheme. I went to the
misc. tab and noticed that new lines only had speak using message
voice or play sound.
Thank you in advance for any responses.


--
Shai Wolman
Wolman technologies
(619)894-6587
Providing training to children and adults that empowers them to be
productive and successful with their assistive technology/computing
tasks.
atvistech@gmail.com


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Cohn, Jonathan
 

Hello,
I know the script was not very difficult to implement, but there is already something quite similar built into JAWS. 
The keystroke alt-numlock period will tell you the active cursor. Sometimes this gives more information than one would want, but if it says 
“PC Cursor” or forms 
, then you will be in a mode where most characters are sent directly to the web page.

This script is called SayActiveCursor if you would like to bind it do a different keystroke.

Jonathan Cohn

On Feb 26, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

Is there a short cut that will tell me if I'm in forms mode or not?


moderated Re: JAWS Voice Sometimes becomes Stifled

Jason White
 


On 28/2/21 12:48 pm, Richard B. McDonald wrote:
I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Often, the JAWS voice cuts-out and becomes nearly inaudible while using my PC.  It is like it becomes stifled or greatly muffled.

This could be related to sound card drivers or associated settings. Does this still happen if you connect a USB or Bluetooth audio device and use it instead of the default sound device?



moderated JAWS Voice Sometimes becomes Stifled

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  Often, the JAWS voice cuts-out and becomes nearly inaudible while using my PC.  It is like it becomes stifled or greatly muffled.  Strangely, the PC sounds themselves (like startup, file delete, application open, etc.) are not stifled.  Sometimes, fiddling with the PC’s volume up/down level causes the JAWS voice to become normal.  Why is this?  How can I fix it?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Mark & list members, 

@Mark:
thank you very much for telling me the correct names. 

@All: 
I've put the script together with the "Read Me" file into a cloud storage. You can download both files there. Please let me know if something isn't clear so I can change this. The cloud storage is located in Switzerland so I don't know if the text will be in English. If you have trouble downloading please let me know and I mail the source code of the script in this list. Sometimes mailing source code is leading to trouble because mail clients sometimes combine two lines of text into one single line. This leads to compiler error messages so I prefer to give you the whole file to download. 

You can find the download here: 


Please keep in mind: Use my scripts always at your own risk. 
Udo 



Am 28.02.2021 um 16:58 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...>:

Here are the two folder numbers

Explore My Settings
Explore Scripts


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

CJ &AA MAY
 

Really? OK, perhaps I'll stop fretting then.
Alison

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: 28 February 2021 16:04
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Am I in forms mode?

Allison, when typing the password in Zoom, this is one instance where it
isn't necessary to activate forms mode. simply type the password and press
enter or continue as needed to activate the join button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: CJ &AA MAY [mailto:chrisalismay@gmail.com]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2021, 2:54 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
I’d like to know how to enable sounds for forms mode please. Jaws often does
make a sound when I enter an edit field, but not always, for example, the
editfield in Zoom so I never now whether I can type in the password or not.

Alison

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mike B
*Sent:* 27 February 2021 14:01
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Am I in forms mode?

If you assign sounds for when forms mode opens and closes this will tell
you.  This can be done in the Settings Center.  If you need steps just let
the list know.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
<mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io>

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Sent:*Saturday, February 27, 2021 4:43 AM

*Subject:*Re: Am I in forms mode?

Hi Mark,

As far as I know there's no shortcut to detect forms mode. But it's no
problem to write a script doing this job.

If you are interested in this script let me know and I'll share this in this
list and describe how to install.

Best wishes

Udo



Am 27.02.2021 um 04:34 schrieb Mark <mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca
<mailto:mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca>>:

Is there a short cut that will tell me if I'm in forms mode or not?


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mario
 

Allison, when typing the password in Zoom, this is one instance where it isn't necessary to activate forms mode. simply type the password and press enter or continue as needed to activate the join button.

-------- Original Message --------
From: CJ &AA MAY [mailto:chrisalismay@gmail.com]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2021, 2:54 AM
Subject: Am I in forms mode?
I’d like to know how to enable sounds for forms mode please. Jaws often
does make a sound when I enter an edit field, but not always, for
example, the editfield in Zoom so I never now whether I can type in the
password or not.

Alison

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Mike B
*Sent:* 27 February 2021 14:01
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Am I in forms mode?

If you assign sounds for when forms mode opens and closes this will tell
you.  This can be done in the Settings Center.  If you need steps just
let the list know.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
<mailto:udo.egnerwalter=icloud.com@groups.io>

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Sent:*Saturday, February 27, 2021 4:43 AM

*Subject:*Re: Am I in forms mode?

Hi Mark,

As far as I know there's no shortcut to detect forms mode. But it's no
problem to write a script doing this job.

If you are interested in this script let me know and I'll share this in
this list and describe how to install.

Best wishes

Udo



Am 27.02.2021 um 04:34 schrieb Mark <mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca
<mailto:mweiler@alumni.sfu.ca>>:

Is there a short cut that will tell me if I'm in forms mode or not?


moderated Re: Am I in forms mode?

Mark
 

Here are the two folder numbers

Explore My Settings
Explore Scripts

6261 - 6280 of 93117