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moderated Accessing video subtitles with JAWS

James Benstead
 

Earlier today a friend of mine phoned me up to ask me about how JAWS interacts with the subtitles on videos: both standalone video files that play in apps like VLC, and videos that run in websites like YouTube.

I know that without very quick OCR, JAWS would always struggle with subtitles that are "burnt in" to a video. But what about subtitles that are included as a text file along with the video? Can JAWS access these, and somehow synchronise them with a video as it plays?

In speaking to my friend it struck me that this isn't something I've ever done, and that I don't know how to do it. My friend wants to know because he produces educational videos for a publishing company, and he wants to make them more accessible. It also occurs to me that having JAWS read out subtitles could be used to create a form of audio description.

Do any of you know how to do this?

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moderated Re: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre Office?

JM Casey
 

Hmm.yeah, but I don’t' think the interface has changed much. I could be
wrong.
If there are other scripts theya re probably made by a third party and I'm
not aware of them. I suspect there aren't any. Up to some clever person(s)
to create them.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B.
McDonald
Sent: February 24, 2021 08:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre
Office?

I looked at the actual scripts for Symphony. They have not been updated
since 2015; meaning about the time Symphony went away. So, since Libre
Office has been continually morphing and updating since that time, I still
wonder if there may be some other script set or application to which it
ought to be associated.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre
Office?

JAWS is based almost entirely on its scripts. If you don't get any extra
ones from the internet or elsewhere, you are just using ones that come witht
eh software -- there are many, pretty much all the applications that are
listed in the help topics for jaws have got a script set, and since that
application help is not updated too often, they have probably added more
recently, too that I'm not aware of.
Third-party scripts are just that, third-party scripts, based on the same
principle.
The Symphony scripts are a part of the JFW software. I don't know if anyone
has created third-party scripts...if not, then that is probably the best you
will get. That doesn't mean the scripts haven't been updated since the days
of Symphony (a really long time ago); just that Symphony is a generic
catch-all term now for everything under the Open Office model/umbrella.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: February 22, 2021 03:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre
Office?

where can the scripts be gotten from, I thought scripts for JAWS weren't
necessary anymore?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard B. McDonald [mailto:richardbmcdonald@gmail.com]
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2021, 2:42 PM
Subject: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre
Office?
Hi!

I am using JAWS 2020, Windows 10 and Libre Office 7.1 (LO).  Natively, JAWS
points to the “Symphony” application for the script set it uses for LO.
Given the many years that have lapsed since Symphony was active and the
commensurate progression of LO, is there a better application script set for
to point to; maybe even just “Default?”  if so, how do you go about making
that change?

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre Office?

Richard B. McDonald
 

I looked at the actual scripts for Symphony. They have not been updated
since 2015; meaning about the time Symphony went away. So, since Libre
Office has been continually morphing and updating since that time, I still
wonder if there may be some other script set or application to which it
ought to be associated.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 12:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre
Office?

JAWS is based almost entirely on its scripts. If you don't get any extra
ones from the internet or elsewhere, you are just using ones that come witht
eh software -- there are many, pretty much all the applications that are
listed in the help topics for jaws have got a script set, and since that
application help is not updated too often, they have probably added more
recently, too that I'm not aware of.
Third-party scripts are just that, third-party scripts, based on the same
principle.
The Symphony scripts are a part of the JFW software. I don't know if anyone
has created third-party scripts...if not, then that is probably the best you
will get. That doesn't mean the scripts haven't been updated since the days
of Symphony (a really long time ago); just that Symphony is a generic
catch-all term now for everything under the Open Office model/umbrella.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: February 22, 2021 03:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre
Office?

where can the scripts be gotten from, I thought scripts for JAWS weren't
necessary anymore?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard B. McDonald [mailto:richardbmcdonald@gmail.com]
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Date: Monday, February 22, 2021, 2:42 PM
Subject: Is some script set besides "Symphony" better to use with Libre
Office?
Hi!

I am using JAWS 2020, Windows 10 and Libre Office 7.1 (LO).  Natively, JAWS
points to the “Symphony” application for the script set it uses for LO.
Given the many years that have lapsed since Symphony was active and the
commensurate progression of LO, is there a better application script set for
to point to; maybe even just “Default?”  if so, how do you go about making
that change?

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: iTunes with Jaws 2021

Monica S
 

Can you tell me which other apps I should uninstall from my computer regarding iTunes before I download the iTunes app from the Microsoft store?  I’ve seen Bonjour on this computer but didn’t know what it was.  I currently don’t have iTunes installed on my computer but had it on a previous one.  Thank you for any assistance.

 

Sincerely,

 

Monica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Itunes with Jaws 2021

 

Hi John, 

 

You wrote: 

 

I think that was not the correct place to download the itunes

applications, just go to apple.com and download the installer from there and maybe you'd get a better idea.

 

There are two versions of iTunes available. The newest one is the iTunes app you can download from Microsoft Store. You can still download the older one from the Apple homepage, that's right, but this version - at least as far as I know - will not developed further any more. So sooner or later you will be forced to change to the new app 

 

You've probably heard of Windows 10 S, the OS version allowing only installations of apps from Microsoft Store. In this article: 

 

 

you can read that Windows 10 S was leading Apple to develop the Microsoft Store version. By the way, the benefit of using the app from Microsoft Store is a clean install. If you install the old native app you will get services from Apple installed too, for example Bonjour. 

 

Because all of this I tried the Microsoft Store app first. 

 

Best wishes 

Udo 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Win10 Mail app question

Joseph Hudson
 

Hi Maria, user. tab in the arrow keys to navigate around the mailboxes. If you need to access the file menu to add an account, use your old key and then use your respective air keys to navigate around.

On Feb 23, 2021, at 10:20 PM, Maria Reyes <sassyblindgirl@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, how do you navigate in a thread when using Windows 10 mail?


moderated Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:43 PM, Mike B wrote:
So, you're saying that I can copy / paste the, normal.dotm, file that I've created manually for 2010 into the same file path below and use it in 2016?
-
Yes.  Copy it somewhere, anywhere that you know where it is.

Uninstall Office 2010.  Install Office 2016.  Delete fresh Normal.dotm that was created by the install.  Copy your backup copy of Normal.dotm back to your user, AppData, Roaming, Microsoft, Templates.

By the way, if you open a new blank file in word, and do a Save As, one of the file type options is dotx, document template.  If you do that save, the dotx will end up in the same folder as Normal.dotm.  This actually drives me crazy, and I always move my DOTX files out to folders that are related to what I created that template for.  I have lots of templates for envelopes, letters with letterhead, and similar.  I also use them for fillable MS-Word forms, where activating the DOTX file creates a "blank" version of the fillable form with the various form fields you fill out. 
--

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One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

Mike B.
 


In other words I don't need to rename the file at all for the, normal.dotm, to work in Word 2016, if I'm understanding your message correctly?  Thanks much.
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:10 PM, Mike B wrote:
I wonder what would happen if I change the, dotm, to a, dotx?  I'm going to try it just to see what happens!  LOL
-
When you try to create a new blank document I expect it will not have all the things you've tweaked over time.  Luckily, you can just undo the renaming, and you'll be doing that.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

Mike B.
 


Brian,
 
So, you're saying that I can copy / paste the, normal.dotm, file that I've created manually for 2010 into the same file path below and use it in 2016?
 
C:\Users\Mike\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Templates
 
I only have, normal.dotm, files in my Templates folder, no .dotx files at all, at least not in the templates folder using the file path above.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:04 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Mike. No, you can't transfer the normal template from Word 2010 to Office 2016 Pro. This is because they have a different format, and a different file extension. The templates in Word 2010 have a .dotm extension, whereas the templates in Office 2016 Pro have a .dotx extension.
-
Bill,

I'm sorry, but in this case, you're incorrect.  The Normal.dotm file is a special form of template that has existed for all versions of MS-Office since 2007 (I think, as that's when all the doc and dot files got X tacked on to the end).  It is separate from user created document templates, which are, as you note, DOTX files.

Normal.dotm should be located in C:\Users\{insert appropriate user folder here}\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Templates and can be copied and pasted back in to that folder, or the equivalent folder for another user, if you want all of the changes you've made to your blank word document defaults over time.

DOTM and DOTX both have been in use for many years.  And if you're someone who creates document templates you'll have way more DOTX files.  Normal.dotm is generally singular (unless you've made a copy for backup somewhere).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Win10 Mail app question

Maria Reyes
 

Hi, how do you navigate in a thread when using Windows 10 mail?


moderated Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:10 PM, Mike B wrote:
I wonder what would happen if I change the, dotm, to a, dotx?  I'm going to try it just to see what happens!  LOL
-
When you try to create a new blank document I expect it will not have all the things you've tweaked over time.  Luckily, you can just undo the renaming, and you'll be doing that.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

Mike B.
 

Bill,
 
I wonder what would happen if I change the, dotm, to a, dotx?  I'm going to try it just to see what happens!  LOL 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

Hi, Mike. No, you can't transfer the normal template from Word 2010 to Office 2016 Pro. This is because they have a different format, and a different file extension. The templates in Word 2010 have a .dotm extension, whereas the templates in Office 2016 Pro have a .dotx extension.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:34 PM
To: JList
Subject: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

 

Hi All,

 

I'm going to upgrade my Office 2010 Standard suite to Office 2016 Pro.  I would like to keep my Word 2010 settings since I'm too damn lazy to configure Word again, so can I transfer  my Word 2010 Normal.dotm to Office 2016 ?  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


moderated Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 10:04 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Mike. No, you can't transfer the normal template from Word 2010 to Office 2016 Pro. This is because they have a different format, and a different file extension. The templates in Word 2010 have a .dotm extension, whereas the templates in Office 2016 Pro have a .dotx extension.
-
Bill,

I'm sorry, but in this case, you're incorrect.  The Normal.dotm file is a special form of template that has existed for all versions of MS-Office since 2007 (I think, as that's when all the doc and dot files got X tacked on to the end).  It is separate from user created document templates, which are, as you note, DOTX files.

Normal.dotm should be located in C:\Users\{insert appropriate user folder here}\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Templates and can be copied and pasted back in to that folder, or the equivalent folder for another user, if you want all of the changes you've made to your blank word document defaults over time.

DOTM and DOTX both have been in use for many years.  And if you're someone who creates document templates you'll have way more DOTX files.  Normal.dotm is generally singular (unless you've made a copy for backup somewhere).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

Bill White
 

Hi, Mike. No, you can't transfer the normal template from Word 2010 to Office 2016 Pro. This is because they have a different format, and a different file extension. The templates in Word 2010 have a .dotm extension, whereas the templates in Office 2016 Pro have a .dotx extension.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:34 PM
To: JList
Subject: Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

 

Hi All,

 

I'm going to upgrade my Office 2010 Standard suite to Office 2016 Pro.  I would like to keep my Word 2010 settings since I'm too damn lazy to configure Word again, so can I transfer  my Word 2010 Normal.dotm to Office 2016 ?  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


moderated Re: Jaws will not read setting options

Tammy Freitag
 

Bill,

Thanks!

I will give that a try. I tried an update and restarting, so off to try a repair.  Yes, I do live in the U.S.

Take care!

Tammy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 3:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws will not read setting options

 

Hi, Tammy. The first thing I would try is a JAWS repair. You will need the installer file for JAWS 2020. If that doesn't work, I will write to you privately, and, if you are in the U.S. or Canada, I can call you, do a tandem with your computer, and figure out why it's not reading your dialogs.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tammy Freitag
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 12:51 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws will not read setting options

 

Ok, running Jaws 2020.  This is so odd to me!  I had to go to my task bar to reconnect my internet yesterday.  When I should have been reading the list of connections, my Jaws read nothing.  Today I went into change my default browser.  Once again, when I should have been reading information, nothing was read.  I could use insert b and it would read but I was not able to make changes or navigate to anything.

 

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions as to how to resolve this?

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Tammy

 

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moderated Re: Itunes with Jaws 2021

John Covici
 

OK, I did not know about this. I will never be able to use that
version of windows.

On Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:27:09 -0500,
Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io wrote:

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Hi John,

You wrote:

I think that was not the correct place to download the itunes
applications, just go to apple.com <http://apple.com/> and download the installer from there and maybe you'd get a better idea.
There are two versions of iTunes available. The newest one is the iTunes app you can download from Microsoft Store. You can still download the older one from the Apple homepage, that's right, but this version - at least as far as I know - will not developed further any more. So sooner or later you will be forced to change to the new app

You've probably heard of Windows 10 S, the OS version allowing only installations of apps from Microsoft Store. In this article:

https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2019/01/apple-itunes-standalone-vs-microsoft-store-edition/ <https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2019/01/apple-itunes-standalone-vs-microsoft-store-edition/>

you can read that Windows 10 S was leading Apple to develop the Microsoft Store version. By the way, the benefit of using the app from Microsoft Store is a clean install. If you install the old native app you will get services from Apple installed too, for example Bonjour.

Because all of this I tried the Microsoft Store app first.

Best wishes
Udo








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moderated Using Older Normal.dotm in Newer Office Suite

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
I'm going to upgrade my Office 2010 Standard suite to Office 2016 Pro.  I would like to keep my Word 2010 settings since I'm too damn lazy to configure Word again, so can I transfer  my Word 2010 Normal.dotm to Office 2016 ?  All help is greatly appreciated.  Thanks mooy moocho.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


moderated Re: Itunes with Jaws 2021

Glenn / Lenny
 

How will screenreaders do this?
Will Jaws and NVDA have apps on the Microsoft store?
Another good reason to lean more towards Linux.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Itunes with Jaws 2021

Hi John, 

You wrote: 

I think that was not the correct place to download the itunes
applications, just go to apple.com and download the installer from there and maybe you'd get a better idea.

There are two versions of iTunes available. The newest one is the iTunes app you can download from Microsoft Store. You can still download the older one from the Apple homepage, that's right, but this version - at least as far as I know - will not developed further any more. So sooner or later you will be forced to change to the new app 

You've probably heard of Windows 10 S, the OS version allowing only installations of apps from Microsoft Store. In this article: 


you can read that Windows 10 S was leading Apple to develop the Microsoft Store version. By the way, the benefit of using the app from Microsoft Store is a clean install. If you install the old native app you will get services from Apple installed too, for example Bonjour. 

Because all of this I tried the Microsoft Store app first. 

Best wishes 
Udo 




moderated Re: What is a good, accessible, free .wma to .mp3 converter?

Marty Hutchings
 

Switch has a free non commercial home use version.  When you download and install, you are asked to verify that you are using as a non-commercial home user each time that you open Switch.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: What is a good, accessible, free .wma to .mp3 converter?
 

Unless Switch went free, I believe it’s still apaid program. I agree it’s great, but they did ask for suggestions that are  “free.”

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: What is a good, accessible, free .wma to .mp3 converter?

 

Switch Sound File converter gives you a wide variety of conversion possibilities.

 

Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020

 

Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 5:24 PM

Subject: What is a good, accessible, free .wma to .mp3 converter?

 

Hi!

 

I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.  I need a good, accessible, free .wma to .mp3 file converter.  Can you recommend one?

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Re: more Gmail questions

sasbbc z <Sasbbc@...>
 

Hi Madison,

 

Here are a couple of people who would be willing to help you for free with all your g-mail questions, here in Canada.

 

Kim Kilpatrick, CCB GTT Coordinator

GTTProgram@...

1-877-304-0968 Ext 513

David Greene, CCB GTT Accessibility Trainer

accessibilitytraining7@...

1-877-304-0968 Ext 509

 

They are based in Ottawa, Ontario.

 

I am sure they are knowledgeable in g-mail to help you.

 

Sincerely,

Sherry

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: January 22, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more gmail questions

 

You might also try using the key combination control/shift v which takes you to your folder tree.  If the files you want are in this list just arrow to where you want to put the email and hit enter.  If not, arrow up to the top of the tree and essentially repeat the steps you take to move from one email to the other using your arrows.  Once you are in the email account you want arrow to target file and hit enter and voila.

 

It's probably possible to use first (single letter) navigation strokes  to get you to the move command through the ribbons.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more gmail questions

 

If both of these accounts are in your outlook program, you can open each of the messages, one-by-one, and when open, hit alt key, go to file and down to info. Hit enter on info and then enter on move message. When you have done this, pick the other email address folder you choose to save these in. Feel free to contact me off list, I will be glad to help so not to overwhelm everybody with too many messages.

 

hmladek@...

 

Rick

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more gmail questions

 

Yes, I have a tone of messages in my old inbox, hopefully someone else has another idea!! I did see a button the gmail site that said import mail and contacts, but my contacts still seem to show up so I wasn’t sure if clicking on that button would be a good idea or not.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 22, 2021 1:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more gmail questions

 

Madison,

          Someone else will have to advise on importing your existing messages from your old email into the Gmail account.  The only way I know of to do this is forwarding them, and if the archive is extensive that's just not practical.  I generally do what you said, and that's keep the old account dormant, forwarding all new messages to where I want them to be, but having the archive of existing messages available for my reference when I might need to do that.  It keeps my new account "cleaner" from the outset.

            When you delete a message from any account and it goes into trash it will retain the same read/unread status it had at the moment of deletion.  In the end, that really doesn't matter, as trash gets purged of messages that reach 30 days old regardless of their read or unread status.  Outlook does allow you to change how quickly a message is marked as read once you open it (and you do have to open it), but if the intention is not to open these messages, which I'd have to presume it is, then just delete them in unread state and forget about them.  Trash is trash.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Itunes with Jaws 2021

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi John, 

You wrote: 

I think that was not the correct place to download the itunes
applications, just go to apple.com and download the installer from there and maybe you'd get a better idea.

There are two versions of iTunes available. The newest one is the iTunes app you can download from Microsoft Store. You can still download the older one from the Apple homepage, that's right, but this version - at least as far as I know - will not developed further any more. So sooner or later you will be forced to change to the new app 

You've probably heard of Windows 10 S, the OS version allowing only installations of apps from Microsoft Store. In this article: 


you can read that Windows 10 S was leading Apple to develop the Microsoft Store version. By the way, the benefit of using the app from Microsoft Store is a clean install. If you install the old native app you will get services from Apple installed too, for example Bonjour. 

Because all of this I tried the Microsoft Store app first. 

Best wishes 
Udo 



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