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moderated Re: Creating a link

Richard Turner
 

Here is a link to an explanation of how to do this. Hopefully it will make enough sense.

https://www.extendoffice.com/documents/word/5432-word-table-of-content-link-to-page.html


Richard

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"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
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On Feb 19, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...> wrote:



Hi all,

 

This may sound like a silly request from a non-tech JAWS user, but here goes: Is it possible for me to create a link in a word document that will take the person reading it  to another place in that same word document. In other words, I’d like to create a same-page link.

 

I’m trying to write our family history, and my grown children don’t want it printed. They want me to send them the document so they can simply read it online. I have a table of contents and would like to create a link from each content to the section it references. Is this too convoluted, or is it simple enough for me to accomplish?

 

Thanks.

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Why does JAWS think the scripts for LibreOffice are "Symphony?"

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am using JAWS 2020, Windows 10 and LibreOffice 7.1.  I wanted to adjust a particular setting while using LibreOffice.  Therefore I pressed JAWSKey+6.  When Settings Center opened, it thinks I am using the scripts for “Symphony.”  There is not a script set for LibreOffice, and I do not have “Symphony”; whatever that is.  Why is this?  How, or should, I go about creating a whole new settings scheme for a new application I will call “LibreOffice?"

 

Thanks,

Richard


moderated Creating a link

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi all,

 

This may sound like a silly request from a non-tech JAWS user, but here goes: Is it possible for me to create a link in a word document that will take the person reading it  to another place in that same word document. In other words, I’d like to create a same-page link.

 

I’m trying to write our family history, and my grown children don’t want it printed. They want me to send them the document so they can simply read it online. I have a table of contents and would like to create a link from each content to the section it references. Is this too convoluted, or is it simple enough for me to accomplish?

 

Thanks.

 

Shirley

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: Itunes with Jaws 2021

Marty Hutchings
 

I am using iTunes latest version with JAWS 21 latest build and Windows 7. I have an iPod Shuffle 4th Generation, iPod Touch 6th Generation, iPhone SE and an iPhone 8. Although it is a bit cumbersome, like it has been said earlier in this thread, Tab And Shift Tab are your friend. The Alt Key will get you into the menus, although nothing is spoken until you hit the Down arrow after pressing Alt.
It does seem that Freedom Scientific could spend more time configuring JAWS to work with more commercial programs, or Apple could make their programs accessible, but there are some incredibly talented script writers out there that I am sure, could put something together that would make iTunes a little more screen reader friendly. How about it anyone?



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-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Sohl
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 11:04 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Itunes with Jaws 2021

Hi yes you are all correct apple has made no attempts to make their
itues software accessible with JAWS!

One solution I would do if you have aira is have them help you by
having aira log into the computer with team viewer and then telling the
aria agent what you ant to do for example moving music from widnwos
into itues and then having them transfer it to your iphone or ipdad.

I know most of you want to do thsi independently but Apple will not
make any changes to their program.

Unfortunately, if you have a mac then it works properly, howveer most
people wnat a pc and they should make changes to. I wonder if we should
all write apple and demand they fix this.

I know the NFB sued apple for accessability and maybe it's time for
that to hapen again or the acb necds to put a fire uncder them!

I hope this heops.


moderated Re: Export contacts

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 01:09 PM, Andrew Summers wrote:
I used Excel to open the file.
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Then the questions are twofold:

1.  Do you have a header row (which you generally should, with the first row of cells being the name of the data below it)?

2.  Is the data in each row beneath that header row correct in that the name, email address, etc, all belongs to the person or entity you expect it to?

Most exports are not sorted by last name, for instance.  You can ask Excel to do this for you, but after checking a single entry, if everything appears to be "in order" for that single row of cells, it should be for all others as well.

You have no control over how any given webmail or email client does its export, while you do as far as field mappings when it comes time to import.
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moderated Re: Export contacts

Andrew Summers
 

I used Excel to open the file.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 February 2021 17:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Export contacts

 

How did you open that CSV file?

They're nightmarish to even try to look at if you use a text editor.  If opened in Excel, they're easier to deal with.

You have to remember that exported contacts are not prettily sorted, but generally get spit out in the order they were created.  It's up to whatever contacts manager is in use to do the ordering in the way you prefer.

You'll also have to be very careful on import, as over the years I find that how the importing software wants to map the fields, and how the fields in the CSV file should actually be mapped into the new contacts, is at variance.  This is the step I've consistently found to be the biggest PITA.
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One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Export contacts

 

How did you open that CSV file?

They're nightmarish to even try to look at if you use a text editor.  If opened in Excel, they're easier to deal with.

You have to remember that exported contacts are not prettily sorted, but generally get spit out in the order they were created.  It's up to whatever contacts manager is in use to do the ordering in the way you prefer.

You'll also have to be very careful on import, as over the years I find that how the importing software wants to map the fields, and how the fields in the CSV file should actually be mapped into the new contacts, is at variance.  This is the step I've consistently found to be the biggest PITA.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Export contacts

Andrew Summers
 

Hi,

How do I map fields in outlook 365 with JAWS 2021, before exporting as a
.csv file?

I don't find it accessible to do.

I just exported as it was and all my contact names and email addresses are
all over the place and not in order by name after I opened the file.

How do I do it?



Andrew


moderated Itunes with Jaws 2021

Tony Sohl
 

Hi yes you are all correct apple has made no attempts to make their itues software accessible with JAWS!

One solution I would do if you have aira is have them help you by having aira log into the computer with team viewer and then telling the aria agent what you ant to do for example moving music from widnwos into itues and then having them transfer it to your iphone or ipdad.

I know most of you want to do thsi independently but Apple will not make any changes to their program.

Unfortunately, if you have a mac then it works properly, howveer most people wnat a pc and they should make changes to. I wonder if we should all write apple and demand they fix this.

I know the NFB sued apple for accessability and maybe it's time for that to hapen again or the acb necds to put a fire uncder them!

I hope this heops.


moderated Re: iTunes with jaws 2021.

Richard Turner
 

Pat,

You won’t get any arguments about the lack of accessibility with iTunes on Windows here.

 

At best, it is a program to be worked around/with.

After the demise of Window-Eyes, iTunes has been awful to deal with and was only somewhat tolerable with Window-Eyes.

 

The tab key will become your friend, or at least necessary companion, as well as control+COMMA TO OPEN THE SETTINGS AND TAB AND ARROW YOURSELF SILLY GETTING THE SETTINGS THE WAY YOU WANT THEM.

Yes, alt+f is the best way to get into the regular menus and then just arrow up down left and right….

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: iTunes with jaws 2021.

 

typical!!!

 

apple makes their devices totally accessible, but once windows becomes involved, everything goes to hell!!

once more, thanks to the lads in freedom scientific for looking at the main apps out there and making jaws work with them.

netflix still does not work properly.

great work!!!

 

in case noone gets it, i am being sarcastic!!

 

sorry, but it bugs me everytime i come across something out there, that is from a major player, and freedom scientific, yet again, has not tested it.

 

pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Friday 19 February 2021 15:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: iTunes with jaws 2021.

 

I am having similar issues with the iTunes player downloaded from the Microsoft store. The Microsoft version required clicking on something with a mouse when I wanted to create a shortcut on my desktop. I had to contact Microsoft Disability desk and the tech that handled it told me that the version that the Microsoft store was downloading did not have a means to do this with a keyboard command.

Chuck

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 5:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: itunes with jaws 2021.

 

Hi,

 

I am totally frustrated with this, perhaps someone could help.

I have just purchased a new ipad, and i have loaded the itunes app onto my windows 10 pc.

Everything is up to date, windows, jaws etc.

The app seems to be totally inaccessible with jaws.

Should I be using the actual program rather than the Microsoft store app?

Generally, i find apps not very accessible.

 

Thanks,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 

 


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moderated Re: Most accessible antivirus or security suite with JAWS

 

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 02:07 AM, Phillip Gross wrote:
only malware I have received in the past 2 years was missed by Windows Defender. Luckily a MalwareBytes scan caught it.
-
What kind of malware?

Unfortunately, because scanners catch PUPs now (Potentially Unwanted Programs), which are not malware, many see a PUP and think, malware.  That "potentially" is important.  Most things identified as PUPs are identified as such because, with the advent of the loathsome practice of software bundling, particularly for free programs, stuff ends up getting installed that wasn't done so with intent.  It is most often not malicious, but it is then, by definition, a PUP.  This is one of the reasons I strongly recommend the Unchecky utility.

The fact is that no scanner gets 100% of everything at any given moment in time.  What one catchs now, another won't catch until its next definition update.  It's the nature of the beast.  But unless you're dealing with a novel attack vector, which is the rare exception, virtually any scanner is going to catch it.
 
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One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: iTunes with jaws 2021.

Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
 

typical!!!

 

apple makes their devices totally accessible, but once windows becomes involved, everything goes to hell!!

once more, thanks to the lads in freedom scientific for looking at the main apps out there and making jaws work with them.

netflix still does not work properly.

great work!!!

 

in case noone gets it, i am being sarcastic!!

 

sorry, but it bugs me everytime i come across something out there, that is from a major player, and freedom scientific, yet again, has not tested it.

 

pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Krugman
Sent: Friday 19 February 2021 15:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: iTunes with jaws 2021.

 

I am having similar issues with the iTunes player downloaded from the Microsoft store. The Microsoft version required clicking on something with a mouse when I wanted to create a shortcut on my desktop. I had to contact Microsoft Disability desk and the tech that handled it told me that the version that the Microsoft store was downloading did not have a means to do this with a keyboard command.

Chuck

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 5:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: itunes with jaws 2021.

 

Hi,

 

I am totally frustrated with this, perhaps someone could help.

I have just purchased a new ipad, and i have loaded the itunes app onto my windows 10 pc.

Everything is up to date, windows, jaws etc.

The app seems to be totally inaccessible with jaws.

Should I be using the actual program rather than the Microsoft store app?

Generally, i find apps not very accessible.

 

Thanks,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 

 


This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software.
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moderated Re: iTunes with jaws 2021.

Glenn / Lenny
 

Not that I've done this, but I'm wondering if touch cursor was work and wondering if anyone tried it.
That often works in situations like this.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: iTunes with jaws 2021.

I am having similar issues with the iTunes player downloaded from the Microsoft store. The Microsoft version required clicking on something with a mouse when I wanted to create a shortcut on my desktop. I had to contact Microsoft Disability desk and the tech that handled it told me that the version that the Microsoft store was downloading did not have a means to do this with a keyboard command.

Chuck

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 5:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: itunes with jaws 2021.

 

Hi,

 

I am totally frustrated with this, perhaps someone could help.

I have just purchased a new ipad, and i have loaded the itunes app onto my windows 10 pc.

Everything is up to date, windows, jaws etc.

The app seems to be totally inaccessible with jaws.

Should I be using the actual program rather than the Microsoft store app?

Generally, i find apps not very accessible.

 

Thanks,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 




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moderated Re: iTunes with jaws 2021.

Charles Krugman
 

I am having similar issues with the iTunes player downloaded from the Microsoft store. The Microsoft version required clicking on something with a mouse when I wanted to create a shortcut on my desktop. I had to contact Microsoft Disability desk and the tech that handled it told me that the version that the Microsoft store was downloading did not have a means to do this with a keyboard command.

Chuck

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 5:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: itunes with jaws 2021.

 

Hi,

 

I am totally frustrated with this, perhaps someone could help.

I have just purchased a new ipad, and i have loaded the itunes app onto my windows 10 pc.

Everything is up to date, windows, jaws etc.

The app seems to be totally inaccessible with jaws.

Should I be using the actual program rather than the Microsoft store app?

Generally, i find apps not very accessible.

 

Thanks,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 




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moderated Re: Most accessible antivirus or security suite with JAWS

Chris Hill
 

Well, to me, malware bytes is accessible enough and it gets the job done.  I've been using it for several years, and it generally doesn't get in the way and the price for the subscription is pretty good.



On 2/19/2021 01:07, Phillip Gross wrote:
Thanks. As I said it has been a couple of years and I was considering my options.

I studied the test results before I did anything. I realize it’s close to the top and performs well, but so do several others. There aren’t many tests out there that tell you how well something works with a screen reader and I was curious how others performed.

I realize it’s a small, hell minuscule, sample-size but the only malware I have received in the past 2 years was missed by Windows Defender. Luckily a MalwareBytes scan caught it. I’m not denouncing Windows defender because of this.


Finally, something I should have added in my original post, I use my computer for freelance work and receive files who’s origins I can’t always be 100% sure of. I don’t mind paying for peace of mind, I would rather not, but I don’t mind if I have to.


moderated Re: itunes with jaws 2021.

Chris Hill
 

I don't think it matters where you get itunes.  Tab and shift tab are very necessary, alt doesn't seem to bring up the menus, but alt+f will give you the file menu and you can arrow around from there.  Not all that accessible, but for what little you'll actually need it for, it will sort of work.



On 2/19/2021 07:50, Patrick Murphy wrote:

Hi,

 

I am totally frustrated with this, perhaps someone could help.

I have just purchased a new ipad, and i have loaded the itunes app onto my windows 10 pc.

Everything is up to date, windows, jaws etc.

The app seems to be totally inaccessible with jaws.

Should I be using the actual program rather than the Microsoft store app?

Generally, i find apps not very accessible.

 

Thanks,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 


moderated Re: itunes with jaws 2021.

Patrick Murphy <murphy.patrick42@...>
 

Hi,

 

I am totally frustrated with this, perhaps someone could help.

I have just purchased a new ipad, and i have loaded the itunes app onto my windows 10 pc.

Everything is up to date, windows, jaws etc.

The app seems to be totally inaccessible with jaws.

Should I be using the actual program rather than the Microsoft store app?

Generally, i find apps not very accessible.

 

Thanks,

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from my gmail account.

 


moderated Re: Most accessible antivirus or security suite with JAWS

Phillip Gross
 

Thanks. As I said it has been a couple of years and I was considering my options.

I studied the test results before I did anything. I realize it’s close to the top and performs well, but so do several others. There aren’t many tests out there that tell you how well something works with a screen reader and I was curious how others performed.

I realize it’s a small, hell minuscule, sample-size but the only malware I have received in the past 2 years was missed by Windows Defender. Luckily a MalwareBytes scan caught it. I’m not denouncing Windows defender because of this.


Finally, something I should have added in my original post, I use my computer for freelance work and receive files who’s origins I can’t always be 100% sure of. I don’t mind paying for peace of mind, I would rather not, but I don’t mind if I have to.


moderated Re: Most accessible antivirus or security suite with JAWS

 

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 09:50 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
In my experience Windows Defender is perfectly accessible and does a fine job.
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Yup.  If you're using Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 then Windows Security is the way to go.

Look at the most recent testing results from the following antivirus/security testing labs, along with the historical results from the past several years if you want to see how Windows Security/Defender has been performing.  Windows Security has been solidly in the top 10, often top 5, and frequently beats out several well-known competitors that one must pay for.

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)

The fact that it's turn it on and forget it, for the vast majority of users, as well as being accessible makes it an ideal choice.

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One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Most accessible antivirus or security suite with JAWS

Soronel Haetir
 

In my experience Windows Defender is perfectly accessible and does a fine job.

On 2/18/21, Phillip Gross <phillip_gross@outlook.com> wrote:
The subject line kind of says it all doesn’t it? I’ve been using the
combination of MalwareBytes Premium and Windows Defender for a couple of
years. It’s time to renew the Malwarebytes subscription and I figured I
would revisit my options.

From what I’ve learned Eset may or may not be accessible. People on here say
it isn’t. Their website gives instructions on installing a screen reader
compatibility file to make it work with NVDA or JAWS. I lean towards taking
the word of the screen reader users who have actually used it.

Trend Micro and Bit Defender May or may not be accessible. There is a
government agency in Texas, I can’t remember which one, that signed an
agreement for a 3rd party vender to provide them with software. This vender
provides Trend Micro and Bit Defender. This agency says it won’t use
software that isn’t accessible. We all know how much those statements are
worth.

I know the good and bad points of MalwareBytes and Windows Defender.

Having said all of that what do you recommend, what do you use, how
accessible is it, and what do and don’t you like about it? Thanks in
advance.





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