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moderated Re: JAWS and Perky Duck

Jasmine Kotsay
 

I wonder that as well! I wish there were a way for full sentences to be read as well, instead of just the letters in each cell.

On Jan 28, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:



I have Perky Duck 12.5 and the latest version of JAWS. Is there a way to get JAWS to announce the contraction I typed instead of the letters?


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Marie
 

Once I visited my daughter and family after I became totally blind. I was able to find my way around, use the treadmill etc.
After that visit, my 10 year old grandson spent hours going around with a blindfold and a stick he used as a cane. He did many of the things he had seen me do because he wanted to know how I did them and how it felt.
My daughter said "For the last month, I have lived with a blind son!
I think it is great to have sighted members on the list and have gotten some wonderful assistance from same.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: David Diamond
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Some don't even last that long, maybe 5 minutes if that. Grin. The trainer I mentioned it was said took the blind fold off after 30 seconds even though she was supposed to keep it on. s

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 10:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Hi David,
I told my X husband one day to close his eyes for 1 hour he didn't even last 30
minutes.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/28/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote:
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day
at the end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive
home. After seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with
visual information, it was over whelming to her.

-----Original Message----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access
Technology is a cool thing.
I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he
said after a day he wanted no more to do with it.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
> I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
> In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
> blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
> should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent
of
sight.
> If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
> that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
> Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
> who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
> gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as
> rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
be no way to police it.
> And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
> problem lister.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Barnett
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
> Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
> can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
> this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
>
>
> On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
> days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
> Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point?
> So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How
> will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
> are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the
Microsoft
> disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I
> could see it I would not be calling your department.
>
>
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
> Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
>
> Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
> should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
>
> I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
> the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
>
> One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
> the shore for a very long time.
>
> ~ André Gide
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684











--


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Gerald,

Every moderator has their own style.  Mine is much like yours.  The moderators here do not share that style.  You are not forced to participate here, nor am I.  But the history of what goes in this group are well established.  You aren't going to get what you seek, and demanding it is neither helpful nor appropriate.

It is what it is.  Exercise the control you can.  It's there.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated JAWS and Perky Duck

Marianne Denning
 

I have Perky Duck 12.5 and the latest version of JAWS. Is there a way to get JAWS to announce the contraction I typed instead of the letters?


moderated Re: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Cynthia. This is not a fix for the problem, but it is a less radical method of restoring JAWS to better performance.

 

Rather than shutting down the computer,

 

1. Press JAWS key plus F4, and if you are asked if you want to quit JAWS, click Yes.

2. Restart JAWS by either going to the desktop and pressing the letter J, or open the "run" dialog with Windows key plus the letter R, and type JAWS2021 and press ENTER.

 

This will allow you to get JAWS working again without having to leave any tasks you may be performing.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

 

Hi All,

 

I am not exactly sure how to describe this, but I will give it a go. I am running Windows 10 and JAWS 2021 – the issue isn’t specific to any program. It seems that after I have been working for a while on my laptop – for the morning – JAWS starts to get a bit sluggish by times. It is slow to respond when I press a key, and it is kind of intermittent. I also notice, at the same time that the sound is less sharp – I’m really not sure if that is at all helpful.

 

If I shut down and restart it seems to go away until a few hours later.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

Cussons, M. (Mark)
 

Hi Les,

Thanks a mil, but what else do you think I could do, as I don’t have admin rights to run an office repair etc.

Regards

Mark

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2021 12:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

 

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Hi Mark,

I would suggest running a Jaws Repair and then if the problem persists, run a repair on Office 365. I would do an online repair of Office as it’s more thorough than a quick repair. It wil take longer, but no more than 30 minutes. Good luck.

Best,

 

Les

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cussons, M. (Mark)
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:15 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries

 

HI List,

Greetings from SA.  Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook.

When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again.  This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10.

Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email.  Any advice will be highly appreciated.  So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime.

And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.

 

Warm Regards

Mark  

 

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moderated JAWS getting sluggish/cutting out?

Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi All,

 

I am not exactly sure how to describe this, but I will give it a go. I am running Windows 10 and JAWS 2021 – the issue isn’t specific to any program. It seems that after I have been working for a while on my laptop – for the morning – JAWS starts to get a bit sluggish by times. It is slow to respond when I press a key, and it is kind of intermittent. I also notice, at the same time that the sound is less sharp – I’m really not sure if that is at all helpful.

 

If I shut down and restart it seems to go away until a few hours later.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Gerald Levy
 


Excuse me, topic drift is not endemic if the group is well moderated.  I don't tolerate off-topic discussion on my Blind Hearing Aid Users list, and neither should the moderator of this list.

I understand that a discussion can sometimes drift off-topic, but the moderator has a responsibility to step in when it does and issue an admonishment.  That's how I run my list, and any member who repeatedly disregards warnings against posting off-topic messages is subject to being placed on mod status.  To be perfectly blunt, the original message in this thread about a new list member really had nothing to do with JAWS itself in the first place, and was only marginally related.

 

Gerald



On 1/28/2021 1:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list,
-
Topic drift is endemic to any group, upon occasion.  And the JAWS group has historically allowed topics that are tangentially related, at best, to JAWS.  This group has never been strictly moderated.

I'd suggest that you, and anyone else who gets frustrated with a given topic on any group, learn how to use the tools that Groups.io gives every user to control the messages they receive to begin with, or keep receiving.  In this case, the Mute this Topic link at the end of every blessed message.

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Marty Hutchings
 

I personally would welcome sighted persons to join this list.  That would be just 1 fewer person that I would have to educate about how us blind people use a computer.  And, anyway, how would we know if a person joining this list is sighted or blind ?
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 
I would relate this to Jaws in that when I would at times, teach Jaws and keyboarding in a classroom with students wearing blindfolds, I would turn out the lights, as often people would be tempted to peek.
I would also turn off the monitors.
Back when I was sighted in high school, and in typing class, the teacher made everyone tape a sheet of paper over the keys and put our hands under them to type.
She made us do this every day, I don't know why she just didn't leave the paper, but it was an exercise in itself I guess.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 

 

So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:


mailto:blind-talk+subscribe@groups.io


Gerald



On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" mailto:Daviddiamond2019@...
To: mailto:main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.

 -----Original Message----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Laura
 Shumate
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny mailto:glennervin@... wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 sight.
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To: main@jfw.groups.io
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 >
 >
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >
 >
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >
 >
 >
 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 >
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >
 >              ~ André Gide
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >


 --
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684

















moderated Re: defender

Shirley Tracy
 

Good afternoon all,

 

I want to add my thanks, because I didn’T have any tutorial for this and now I can make fuller use of my Windows virus protector.

 

I’ve learned so much from this list by just reading and paying attention. Thanks to everyone for all their input on so many JAWS related topics.

  

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Stan Holdeman
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: defender

 

Thanks for the detailed  guide for Defender.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 7:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: defender

 

Hi Stan,

 

see if the tutorial below will help:

From: Jim Flusche
Windows defender security center.

 

** Now shortened to just Windows security in the W2004update.

 

This file is updated to the W2004 update. 

 

* The security of your computer is the most important program on your computer!

 

*How to use the Windows security program on your computer?

 

*Tip, pin the Windows security program to the Taskbar.

 

How do I do that?

 

Press the windows key, followed by the down arrow, you land in the All Apps list box.

 

Press the letter W, down arrow and highlight, windows  security .

 

Press the applications key, arrow down to more sub menu, right arrow to, pin to Taskbar, press enter.

 

Now the Windows  security program is pinned to the Taskbar, you can skip going directly through the settings area and all the below steps to get to it.

 

*Tip, after pinning it to the taskbar, just press windows key+T, type the letter W, until you hear Windows security, press the Enter key to open it.

 

*Tip, how to go through the settings area to find the Windows security program.

 

Press Windows key+I, you will land in the settings area search edit box, Tab one time.

 

Either press the Right arrow key, or just press the End key to, Update and security, press the spacebar, Tab one time.

 

Down arrow two times to, Windows security , press the spacebar.

 

Tab one time to, open Windows security, Press the Spacebar.

 

*tip, If you have a new computer, you might hear, use Windows security instead.

 

*tip, After you open the Windows security program.

 

On my computer I hear, Virus & threat protectionNo action needed, 1 of 7.

 

** Now with Jaws 2020 I need to Press the Down arrow many times and then I Press the up arrow to see all the catigories under Windows Security.

 

Now Arrow up to Virus & threat protection, you will now hear, 2 of 8, instead of 1 of 7.

 

Press Enter on, Virus & threat protection, my computer says, No threats found, Quick scan Button, Press Enter on quick scan button to start your own  scan
on your computer.

 

When the scan was finished   I herd a chime followed by, a New notification from Windows Security, Windows Defender scan results, Microsoft Defender Antivirus
scanned your device at 6:10:44 PM on ‎7/‎1/‎2020. No new threats were found.

 

*tip, During the scan I Pressed numpad minus followed by Page up a few times, followed by the down arrow to read the progress of the running  scan.‑

 

If you miss the audio notice message, press Windows key+A, down arrow one time, and listen to the action center items, windows security notices should
be the first item.

 

Now to do a full scan, follow the above directions to the quick scan button, this time tab one more time to, Scan options Link, press the spacebar.

 

You land on,  Allowed threats link, Tab to full scan radio button, checked, Tab one time to, Custom scan radio button not checked, Or tab one more time
to Windows Defender Offline scan radio button not checked.

 

Now after what ever radio button you choose, Tab to, the scan now button, press the spacebar.

 

*Tip, if you choose the off line scan, you will hear, save your work, or you may only hear scan now, press the Scan now button again, you will get the
users account notification.

 

Tab to yes, press the enter key.

 

You will hear, signing out, now your computer will begin the restart process while Windows Security does an off line scan.

 

Windows Security will scan your computer during the restart process, when you hear the password or the pin edit box, Windows Security has finished the
off line scan.

 

*tip After you enter your pin or password, the Windows Security window may come up instead of your desktop.

 

When you press enter on the windows security program pinned to the Taskbar, or use it's shortcut windows key+number row position pinned to the Taskbar.

 

In my case, press Windows key+6, will open the windows  security program, you get to skip all the steps in the settings area of W-10 on getting to the
Windows  security program.

 

*How to check the Device performance & health of your computer.

 

Go to Windows  Security.

 

Press the spacebar or enter key on, Device performance & health.

 

Wait for a few minutes.

 

Now either Press the Down arrow, or Tab a few times to, Health report List box.

 

You should hear, Health report List box, Windows UpdateNo issues, 1 of 3

 

Down arrow one time, you should hear, Storage capacityNo issues.

 

Down arrow again, you should hear, Device driverNo issues.

 

* In my opinion the built-in Windows Security program from Microsoft is all you need to keep your computer safe, but if you wish to spend unnecessary money
for another anti-virous program, then go ahead! 

 

The Windows Security program is much easier to use, then it is on trying to explain in a short text file, on how to use the Windows Security program.

 

Well I did my best, I hope I was still able to help some of you, on learning about using the Windows Security program on your computer.

 

* Important,remember The security of your computer is the most important program on your computer!

 

 

Sincerely: Jim Flusche. 


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 1:44 PM

Subject: defender

 

I am rid of McAfee and am now relying on Defender. I have jaws 2021 and windows 10 ver 20h2.

 

Wher can I learn more about Defender? How do I manually request a quick scan, for instance? A little help to get me started will l be appreciated.

 

Stan

 

 

 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 


I would relate this to Jaws in that when I would at times, teach Jaws and keyboarding in a classroom with students wearing blindfolds, I would turn out the lights, as often people would be tempted to peek.
I would also turn off the monitors.
Back when I was sighted in high school, and in typing class, the teacher made everyone tape a sheet of paper over the keys and put our hands under them to type.
She made us do this every day, I don't know why she just didn't leave the paper, but it was an exercise in itself I guess.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:


lind-talk+subscribe@groups.io


Gerald



On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.

 -----Original Message----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
 Shumate
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 sight.
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To: main@jfw.groups.io
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 >
 >
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >
 >
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >
 >
 >
 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 >
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >
 >              ~ André Gide
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >


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moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 


True enough, just like I have to delete a bunch of messages when a thread becomes long, and I'm not interested.
I don't even open them.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list,
-
Topic drift is endemic to any group, upon occasion.  And the JAWS group has historically allowed topics that are tangentially related, at best, to JAWS.  This group has never been strictly moderated.

I'd suggest that you, and anyone else who gets frustrated with a given topic on any group, learn how to use the tools that Groups.io gives every user to control the messages they receive to begin with, or keep receiving.  In this case, the Mute this Topic link at the end of every blessed message.

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

 
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One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:00 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list,
-
Topic drift is endemic to any group, upon occasion.  And the JAWS group has historically allowed topics that are tangentially related, at best, to JAWS.  This group has never been strictly moderated.

I'd suggest that you, and anyone else who gets frustrated with a given topic on any group, learn how to use the tools that Groups.io gives every user to control the messages they receive to begin with, or keep receiving.  In this case, the Mute this Topic link at the end of every blessed message.

Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Windows emoji picker

 

Hi,

By default emoji panel shows recently used emojis. You can press Tab to move between emojis and categories, then from categories list, use left or right arrows to move between categories such as (most recently used”, “people”, “celebrations and objects” and what not and press Enter to activate a given category. Emoji panel will remember your category selection the next time you open it.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows emoji picker

 

With the Windows key + ., I get a short list of emojis, but there are obviously many more.  Is there some web page or other option?  Or, is there some way to expand the short emoji list I got from windows + .?

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows emoji picker

 

If you use the Windows-Period, it will take you into a list of them. This is in Word.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows emoji picker

 

Hello All,

 

How do I find the Windows list of emoji symbols, and use JAWS to insert that into a text box?

 

Tim Ford

 

 


moderated Re: Windows emoji picker

Tim Ford
 

With the Windows key + ., I get a short list of emojis, but there are obviously many more.  Is there some web page or other option?  Or, is there some way to expand the short emoji list I got from windows + .?

 

Tim Ford

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows emoji picker

 

If you use the Windows-Period, it will take you into a list of them. This is in Word.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows emoji picker

 

Hello All,

 

How do I find the Windows list of emoji symbols, and use JAWS to insert that into a text box?

 

Tim Ford

 

 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Gerald Levy
 


So now this has become a list for the discussion of blindness rehab and O&M training, neither of which has any connection whatsoever to JAWS. For those of you who insist on continuing this off-topic thread, I suggest joining the Blind-Talk list, which is a more general forum where just about anything is permissible for discussion.  To join, send a blank message to:


lind-talk+subscribe@groups.io


Gerald



On 1/28/2021 12:17 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
That sounds more like a complaint.
Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before
going home.
But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative
consequences.
And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of
that.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home.  After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it
was over whelming to her.

 -----Original Message----
 From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
 Shumate
 Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
 To: main@jfw.groups.io
 Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology
is a
 cool thing.
 I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
 a day he wanted no more to do with it.
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:
 > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
 > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
 > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
 > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
 sight.
 > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
 > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
 > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
 > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
 > gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as
 > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
 be no way to police it.
 > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
 > problem lister.
 > Glenn
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: Randy Barnett
 > To: main@jfw.groups.io
 > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
 > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
 > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
 > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
 >
 >
 > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
 >
 >
 >   I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
 > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
 > Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?
 > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How
 > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
 > are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
 > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I
 > could see it I would not be calling your department.
 >
 >
 >
 >   From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
 >   Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
 >   To: main@jfw.groups.io
 >   Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
 >
 >
 >
 >   Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
 > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
 >
 >   I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
 > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
 >   --
 >
 >   Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
 >
 >   One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
 > the shore for a very long time.
 >
 >              ~ André Gide
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >


 --
 Laura Shumate
 snowflake122188@...
 Business Phone: 254-300-7667
 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684

















moderated Re: Windows emoji picker

Leo
 

Well, you can actually insert an emoji or any other symbol from the Windows 10 pane into practically

Any application that supports Unicode, including  TB and Outlook.

 

Best,

     Leo Bado.

 

"It seems to me that I will always be happy in the place where I am not." Paul Auster. "City of Glass"

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Portillo
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows emoji picker

 

If you use the Windows-Period, it will take you into a list of them. This is in Word.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows emoji picker

 

Hello All,

 

How do I find the Windows list of emoji symbols, and use JAWS to insert that into a text box?

 

Tim Ford

 

 


moderated Re: Windows emoji picker

Jim Portillo
 

If you use the Windows-Period, it will take you into a list of them. This is in Word.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Windows emoji picker

 

Hello All,

 

How do I find the Windows list of emoji symbols, and use JAWS to insert that into a text box?

 

Tim Ford

 

 


moderated Windows emoji picker

Tim Ford
 

Hello All,

 

How do I find the Windows list of emoji symbols, and use JAWS to insert that into a text box?

 

Tim Ford

 

 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 

There has to be a benefit involved.
If for example, he thought he was going to lose much more sight, or all of
it, that may have motivated him more.
I think it was probably more beneficial for him to believe that you can do
something that he cannot.
The benefit for sighted trainers may be that they can keep their job.
I know that in Iowa and Nebraska, if new staff does not succeed their first
three months of training with them on, they lose their job.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Shumate" <snowflake122188@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member


Hi David,
I told my X husband one day to close his eyes for 1 hour he didn't
even last 30 minutes.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/28/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote:
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at
the
end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After
seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information,
it
was over whelming to her.

-----Original Message----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura
Shumate
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access
Technology
is a
cool thing.
I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said
after
a day he wanted no more to do with it.
Laura Shumate
snowflake122188@gmail.com
Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684



On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
> I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
> In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the
> blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or
> should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent
of
sight.
> If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then
> that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
> Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those
> who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or
> gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as
> rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there
would
be no way to police it.
> And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a
> problem lister.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Randy Barnett
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
> Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they
> can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing
> this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.
>
>
> On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
>
>
> I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the
> days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after
> Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point?
> So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How
> will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they
> are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft
> disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I
> could see it I would not be calling your department.
>
>
>
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
> Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
>
>
>
> Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I
> should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
>
> I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in
> the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
>
> One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of
> the shore for a very long time.
>
> ~ André Gide
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Business Phone: 254-300-7667
Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684











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