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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Glenn / Lenny
That sounds more like a complaint.
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Perhaps she could sit in in a very dark room for five or ten minutes before going home. But if folks don't like it, they will find a way to make it have negative consequences. And if she really believed in its benefit, perhaps she would have thought of that. Glenn
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From: "David Diamond" <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it was over whelming to her. -----Original Message---- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Shumate Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology is a cool thing. I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said after a day he wanted no more to do with it. Laura Shumate snowflake122188@gmail.com Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote: > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds. > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight. > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught. > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or > gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it. > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a > problem lister. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Randy Barnett > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us. > > > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote: > > > I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after > Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point? > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they > are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I > could see it I would not be calling your department. > > > > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel > Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > > > Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem. > > I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same. > -- > > Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 > > One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of > the shore for a very long time. > > ~ André Gide > > > > > > > -- Laura Shumate snowflake122188@gmail.com Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Glenn / Lenny
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In Nebraska and Iowa and some other states, the
state rehab agency makes all new staff spend their first three months of work,
in training with blindfolds.
The wind up not being experts in Blindness skills,
but fair, and confident in teaching the skills because they know how well they
work.
I think that TVI as well as O&M
instructors should be required to do this as well.
Glenn
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Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member Here is a twist, A group of O & M instructors were at a seminare with some of their students. The power went out and they panicked. They went so far as to put candles on the rug so they could be guided by the candle light. One of their students offered to guide them, they declined. Point? This is already been touched on, it is one thing to teach a skill but when, as they say the rubber hits the road, does the teacher practice what they teach or does fear set in? I think it is excellent that a teacher of VIPs wants to join a list like this because it gives him or her insight into our world.
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Lenny
I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds. In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight. If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught. Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it. And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a problem lister. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Barnett Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us. On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
David Diamond
Some don't even last that long, maybe 5 minutes if that. Grin. The trainer I mentioned it was said took the blind fold off after 30 seconds even though she was supposed to keep it on. s
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Shumate Sent: January 27, 2021 10:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member Hi David, I told my X husband one day to close his eyes for 1 hour he didn't even last 30 minutes. Laura Shumate snowflake122188@gmail.com Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684 On 1/28/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote: > A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day > at the end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive > home. After seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with > visual information, it was over whelming to her. > > -----Original Message---- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura > Shumate > Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access > Technology is a cool thing. > I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he > said after a day he wanted no more to do with it. > Laura Shumate > snowflake122188@gmail.com > Business Phone: 254-300-7667 > Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684 > > > > On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote: > > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds. > > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the > > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or > > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of > sight. > > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then > > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught. > > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those > > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or > > gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as > > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there > would > be no way to police it. > > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a > > problem lister. > > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Randy Barnett > > To: main@jfw.groups.io > > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > > > > > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they > > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing > > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us. > > > > > > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote: > > > > > > I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the > > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after > > Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point? > > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How > > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they > > are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft > > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I > > could see it I would not be calling your department. > > > > > > > > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel > > Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM > > To: main@jfw.groups.io > > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > > > > > > > Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I > > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem. > > > > I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in > > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same. > > -- > > > > Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 > > > > One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of > > the shore for a very long time. > > > > ~ André Gide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Laura Shumate > snowflake122188@gmail.com > Business Phone: 254-300-7667 > Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684 > > > > > > > > > > > --
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
David Diamond
For the trainer to wear a blind fold it shows whether the dog is indeed guiding them properly or they are in a sense directing the dog. Some students have washed out at a guide dog school because they see an object such as a lamp post and to the sighted or ones who have residual vision it looks like the dog will run them right into it. One student was constantly overriding the dog’s directions because he, the student saw the object and decided that the dog was not going to guide him around it. I never forgot the incident where the person driving me to pick up supplies saw my guide dog and I headed for a cement garbage can at quite a speed, he said,, “I was too far away to yell out anything then your dog just took you around it. I almost had a heart attack watching the entire thing unfold.” Getting back to screen readers, I do have some residual vision and can see things on the display it is just after about 30 seconds of reading something my eyes get tired, thus just use JAWS instead.
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Sent: January 28, 2021 7:18 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:40 AM, David Diamond wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Mario
Debby, to get back into the website where you can navigate as usual, you can press alt+d which puts you into the address bar and then shift+f6.
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From: Debby Hill [mailto:dm-hill@comcast.net] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 10:14 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Adrian, thanks for the reminder on the system menu. I knew I needed to look at that, but was having brain freeze on how to get there. Chris, both methods for doing the find actually do find what I am looking for, but to get to the results I have to press F6 and cycle through all of the bars to get back on the webpage with the result. JAWS or edge, I don't know which, gets stuck on the top line of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing will move it from there. Thanks for all of the help! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:56 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hmmm, are you saying it never starts the find command, or the find command isn't finding what you expect? If the first, ctrl-insert-f is supposed to work, and does everywhere I've ever tried it, ff, chrome, or edge. I'd call fs if that is the case. On 1/28/2021 08:14, Debby Hill wrote: I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I am stuck at the top of the page. By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says "JAWS find." Thanks for trying! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f. -------- Original Message -------- From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better. CH On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote: Hi all, I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome. I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change. By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go. I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for any help! Take care and stay safe! Debby .
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:40 AM, David Diamond wrote:
This is already been touched on, it is one thing to teach a skill but when, as they say the rubber hits the road, does the teacher practice what they teach or does fear set in?- Fear sets in, which is entirely natural, as anyone I've ever known who was sighted and lost it will tell you. I really don't get how there is not an understanding that sighted O&M teachers can know how to teach skills that they, themselves, are not using moment to moment, because they don't need to. And when you don't need to do something, constantly, to negotiate your world it doesn't "come naturally" in exception circumstances. We all operate with the sensory palette that we actually possess, no matter how we came to possess it, and if one of those is suddenly removed due to a temporary circumstance it tends to naturally make one uneasy, regardless of what one may know about compensatory strategies for that loss, even with in-depth knowledge in the abstract. Think about how it would be for you to suddenly have no hearing by artificial means and have to operate in that way for a couple of hours. It's not a realistic facsimile of how someone who's deaf actually operates in daily life if they've been deaf for any period of time. Instant deprivation of a sense puts anyone who's experiencing it way off-kilter, and I'm certain a lot of people here know that all too well. But that's not representative of what it is to live with it long term, as you adjust and become more skilled. That's why I don't see why the "let's blindfold 'em" schemes are believed to be helpful or representative of anything other than "the panicked stage of being quickly deprived of a sense you normally depend on." And I've seen very few panicked people be particularly good at anything. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Debby Hill
Adrian, thanks for the reminder on the system menu. I knew I needed to look at that, but was having brain freeze on how to get there.
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Chris, both methods for doing the find actually do find what I am looking for, but to get to the results I have to press F6 and cycle through all of the bars to get back on the webpage with the result. JAWS or edge, I don't know which, gets stuck on the top line of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing will move it from there. Thanks for all of the help! Debby
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:56 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hmmm, are you saying it never starts the find command, or the find command isn't finding what you expect? If the first, ctrl-insert-f is supposed to work, and does everywhere I've ever tried it, ff, chrome, or edge. I'd call fs if that is the case. On 1/28/2021 08:14, Debby Hill wrote: I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Adrian Spratt
A way you can confirm if a window is maximized is by going into the system menu with alt-space. Here, you arrow up or down through a few options, one of which is maximized.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Adrian, I liked your idea, but no go. Mike or anyone, when you maximize, does it say it is maximizing? I am not sure mine is working. I did go into the context menu on edge and told it to maximize the window on startup of edge. No go. Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Debby, Have you tried starting the search from a line or so below the top of the page? JAWS seems to treat the very top line differently from the rest of a page. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I am stuck at the top of the page. By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says "JAWS find." Thanks for trying! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f. -------- Original Message -------- From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better. CH On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote: Hi all, I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS-that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It's not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn't seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome. I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change. By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go. I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for any help! Take care and stay safe! Debby
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Mario
I don't believe it does. an alternate way to maximize is to press alt+spacebar x.
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From: Debby Hill [mailto:dm-hill@comcast.net] To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 9:50 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Adrian, I liked your idea, but no go. Mike or anyone, when you maximize, does it say it is maximizing? I am not sure mine is working. I did go into the context menu on edge and told it to maximize the window on startup of edge. No go. Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Debby, Have you tried starting the search from a line or so below the top of the page? JAWS seems to treat the very top line differently from the rest of a page. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I am stuck at the top of the page. By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says "JAWS find." Thanks for trying! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f. -------- Original Message -------- From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better. CH On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote: Hi all, I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS-that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It's not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn't seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome. I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change. By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go. I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for any help! Take care and stay safe! Debby .
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Chris Hill
Hmmm, are you saying it never starts the find command, or the find command isn't finding what you expect? If the first, ctrl-insert-f is supposed to work, and does everywhere I've ever tried it, ff, chrome, or edge. I'd call fs if that is the case.
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I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Debby Hill
Adrian, I liked your idea, but no go.
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Mike or anyone, when you maximize, does it say it is maximizing? I am not sure mine is working. I did go into the context menu on edge and told it to maximize the window on startup of edge. No go. Debby
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:22 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Debby, Have you tried starting the search from a line or so below the top of the page? JAWS seems to treat the very top line differently from the rest of a page. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I am stuck at the top of the page. By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says "JAWS find." Thanks for trying! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f. -------- Original Message -------- From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better. CH On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote: Hi all, I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS-that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It's not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn't seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome. I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change. By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go. I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for any help! Take care and stay safe! Debby
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Adrian Spratt
Debby,
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Have you tried starting the search from a line or so below the top of the page? JAWS seems to treat the very top line differently from the rest of a page.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I am stuck at the top of the page. By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says "JAWS find." Thanks for trying! Debby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f. -------- Original Message -------- From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better. CH On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote: Hi all, I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS-that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It's not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn't seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome. I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change. By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go. I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for any help! Take care and stay safe! Debby
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Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries
Adrian Spratt
Hi Mark,
I’m having somewhat similar problems with JAWS 2021, and I also end up reverting to 2020.
Regarding messages with tables, I suggest opening up a message, any message, and pressing JAWS key+v to open JAWS quick settings. Type “table” into the search field, and then arrow down through the options. Actually, I’ve just checked my notes of previous posts that have worked for me, and I’ll copy them here:
Bill white. Try opening Outlook. Press JAWS key plus V for Quick Settings. In the search box, type table detection Uncheck this option, TAB to OK, and press ENTER. See if this allows your email to be read correctly. Another answer. If the detect tables does not work, another possibility is that layout tables are causing you grief so make sure they are turned off.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Cussons, M. (Mark)
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:15 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries
HI List, Greetings from SA. Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook. When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again. This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10. Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email. Any advice will be highly appreciated. So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime. And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.
Warm Regards Mark
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Michael Mote
Hi Debbie. I am sure you have already tried this, but are you sure that your browser is maximized. Windows plus up arrow should do it for you.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Debby Hill
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 8:22 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Hi all,
I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.
I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.
By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.
I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks for any help!
Take care and stay safe!
Debby
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Debby Hill
I have tried control + insert F before and I just tried it now, and no go! I
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am stuck at the top of the page. By the way, in both cases control + insert + F and insert + F JAWS says "JAWS find." Thanks for trying! Debby
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f. -------- Original Message -------- From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better. CH On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote: Hi all, I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome. I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change. By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go. I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for any help! Take care and stay safe! Debby
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Mario
BTW, if NVDA ever should be needed to be used, it has it's own find feature using the same keystrokes, insert+control+f.
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From: Chris Hill [mailto:hillco@earthlink.net] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Thursday, January 28, 2021, 8:56 AM Subject: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better. CH On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote: Hi all, I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome. I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change. By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go. I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for any help! Take care and stay safe! Debby
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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Chris Hill
Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better.
CH
On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:
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Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Debby Hill
Hi all,
I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.
I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.
By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.
I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks for any help!
Take care and stay safe!
Debby
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Re: jaws and outlook problem
Debby Hill
Hi Gery,
This is probably a long shot, but it has happened to me before in Outlook. Is your braille set to structure mode? To check this in Outlook:
Press insert + V. In the search field type “braille” without the quotes. Arrow down to “braille mode.” If it says “line” press the spacebar until you see “structured.”
Hopefully that will help!
Take care and stay safe!
Debby
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:55 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and outlook problem
But, you have braille everywhere else?
If so, try turning off the preview pane. I assume you have maximized the screen? And/or rebooted? Which versions of the software are you using?
Richard
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
I don’t have any braille on my display when in outlook. No preview, no info when I try to read messages. I had thiws a while back and It had something to do with I think insert f or something. I saved the message on my work computer and thought I had forwarded it to my home email address. I no longer have access to my work computer since I have retired. Does anyone remember this being on the list a month or so ago?
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Re: Using hyphen
Dave Durber
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Don:
JAWS is reporting the correct way that Outlook
and Word produce the hyphen character by default. For example:
The short hyphen with a space on either side, is
called an "n dash" because, the hyphen is the same width as a capital
letter "n". This is the same as typing "space hyphen space".
the long hyphen with a space on either side,
is called an "M dash" because, the hyphen is the same width as a capital
letter "M". This is the same as typing "space hyphen hyphen space".
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