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Re: Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Chris Hill
Hello. Why are you using the browser's own find command? If you are in virtual pc mode, the jaws find command is the one you will want to use, it is insert-ctrl-f on the normal desktop layout. It will work much better.
CH
On 1/28/2021 07:21, Debby Hill wrote:
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Problem with Find Command in Chromium Browsers
Debby Hill
Hi all,
I am using Edge and Chrome with the latest Windows 10 and the latest JAWS—that is the January update. I have been working on some fairly large webpages, and when I do a Control + F to find something on a page it seems that JAWS gets stuck at the top of the page. Neither arrowing or tabbing up or down goes anywhere. The only way I can get to the result is to press F6 to cycle through all of the various bars until I get back to the webpage. It’s not a big problem, but it is time consuming, and it doesn’t seem it should be happening. It is happening in both Edge and Chrome.
I generally work from my Mantis Q40 with blue tooth using the laptop settings for JAWS keystrokes. I have tried going to my desktop computer and changing to desktop layout and even using a different braille display using usb, but no change.
By the way, the find command works correctly in IE, and with the chromium browsers with JAWS 2020. Also, I have tried using control + insert + F instead of just insert + F and no go.
I called Freedom Scientific and we repaired JAWS, but no change.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks for any help!
Take care and stay safe!
Debby
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Re: jaws and outlook problem
Debby Hill
Hi Gery,
This is probably a long shot, but it has happened to me before in Outlook. Is your braille set to structure mode? To check this in Outlook:
Press insert + V. In the search field type “braille” without the quotes. Arrow down to “braille mode.” If it says “line” press the spacebar until you see “structured.”
Hopefully that will help!
Take care and stay safe!
Debby
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:55 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and outlook problem
But, you have braille everywhere else?
If so, try turning off the preview pane. I assume you have maximized the screen? And/or rebooted? Which versions of the software are you using?
Richard
Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gery Gaubert
I don’t have any braille on my display when in outlook. No preview, no info when I try to read messages. I had thiws a while back and It had something to do with I think insert f or something. I saved the message on my work computer and thought I had forwarded it to my home email address. I no longer have access to my work computer since I have retired. Does anyone remember this being on the list a month or so ago?
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Re: Using hyphen
Dave Durber
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Don:
JAWS is reporting the correct way that Outlook
and Word produce the hyphen character by default. For example:
The short hyphen with a space on either side, is
called an "n dash" because, the hyphen is the same width as a capital
letter "n". This is the same as typing "space hyphen space".
the long hyphen with a space on either side,
is called an "M dash" because, the hyphen is the same width as a capital
letter "M". This is the same as typing "space hyphen hyphen space".
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Re: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries
Les Kriegler
Hi Mark, I would suggest running a Jaws Repair and then if the problem persists, run a repair on Office 365. I would do an online repair of Office as it’s more thorough than a quick repair. It wil take longer, but no more than 30 minutes. Good luck. Best,
Les
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cussons, M. (Mark)
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:15 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries
HI List, Greetings from SA. Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook. When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again. This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10. Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email. Any advice will be highly appreciated. So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime. And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.
Warm Regards Mark
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Re latest JAWS 2021 and office 365 queries
Cussons, M. (Mark)
HI List, Greetings from SA. Has any one experienced the following issues with JAWS 2021 and office 365, mainly using outlook. When trying to compose a message, or arrow through my inbox, or use the address book, Jaws tends to freeze for no reason, and I have to wait a minute or so, or alt tab around for it to respond again. This is running on my work laptop, with office 365, and the latest build of windows 10. Also, some times when opening an email, it will only read table coordinates, and not the contents of the email. Any advice will be highly appreciated. So I’ve reverted back to JAWS 2020 for the meantime. And JAWS appears to be very slow at times, not sure if its because of all the extra background and security policies running as well.
Warm Regards Mark ******************** This email may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this email or all or some of the information contained therein, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any
means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unless specifically indicated, this email is neither an offer or a solicitation to buy or sell any securities, investment products or other financial product
or service, nor is it an official confirmation of any transaction or an official statement of Nedbank. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Nedbank. Nedbank Ltd Reg No 1951/000009/06.
The following link displays the names of the Nedbank Board of Directors and Company Secretary. [http://www.nedbank.co.za/terms/DirectorsNedbank.htm]
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Laura Shumate
Hi David,
I told my X husband one day to close his eyes for 1 hour he didn't even last 30 minutes. Laura Shumate snowflake122188@gmail.com Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684 On 1/28/21, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@outlook.com> wrote: A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the --
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
David Diamond
The school that requires all students to wear a blind fold does this so everyone is on a level playing field. True instructors can do wear a blind fold, but they can take it off at the end of the day. Apparently at one school, a trainer took the blind fold off right away because she panicked. Must be nice to get your sight back and have that ability. Grin.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: January 27, 2021 6:40 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us. On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
David Diamond
A guide dog trainer told me when she wore the blind fold for one day at the end of the day she had such a headache when she had to drive home. After seeing nothing, all of a sudden she was flooded with visual information, it was over whelming to her.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laura Shumate Sent: January 27, 2021 7:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access Technology is a cool thing. I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said after a day he wanted no more to do with it. Laura Shumate snowflake122188@gmail.com Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684 On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote: > I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds. > In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the > blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or > should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight. > If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then > that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught. > Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those > who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or > gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as > rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it. > And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a > problem lister. > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Randy Barnett > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > > Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they > can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing > this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us. > > > On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote: > > > I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the > days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after > Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point? > So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How > will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they > are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft > disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I > could see it I would not be calling your department. > > > > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel > Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member > > > > Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I > should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem. > > I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in > the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same. > -- > > Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 > > One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of > the shore for a very long time. > > ~ André Gide > > > > > > > -- Laura Shumate snowflake122188@gmail.com Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
David Diamond
Here is a twist, A group of O & M instructors were at a seminare with some of their students. The power went out and they panicked. They went so far as to put candles on the rug so they could be guided by the candle light. One of their students offered to guide them, they declined. Point? This is already been touched on, it is one thing to teach a skill but when, as they say the rubber hits the road, does the teacher practice what they teach or does fear set in? I think it is excellent that a teacher of VIPs wants to join a list like this because it gives him or her insight into our world.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: January 27, 2021 6:57 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds. In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight. If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught. Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far as rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it. And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a problem lister. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Barnett Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us. On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Laura Shumate
I don't see a problem I think teaching the sighted about Access
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Technology is a cool thing. I even had my dad who is sighted use Talk Back on his phone but he said after a day he wanted no more to do with it. Laura Shumate snowflake122188@gmail.com Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
On 1/27/21, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@cableone.net> wrote:
I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds. --
Laura Shumate snowflake122188@gmail.com Business Phone: 254-300-7667 Emergency Phone: 717-510-0684
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Glenn / Lenny
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I would make a different point about wearing
blindfolds.
In any situation, but especially the Blind service
industry, the blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are
or should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of
sight.
If a sighted person is going to be teaching
Blindness skills, then that person needs to have confidence in the skills being
taught.
Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list
oriented to those who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the
guy or gal down the street who does not even use the product. As far
as rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be
no way to police it.
And really, who cares who joins any list, as long
as they aren't a problem lister.
Glenn
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From: Randy
Barnett
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can
empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't
able to really understand what it is like for us. On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so
they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without
doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like
for us.
On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:
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Re: Using hyphen
Mario
in the first example, it is auto correcting the dash or hyphen into the HTML equivalent? just guessing.
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From: Randy Barnett [mailto:blindmansbluff09@gmail.com] To: main@jfw.groups.io Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 7:01 PM Subject: Using hyphen the first says "in dash". by line, word and letter. and the second doesn't say anything other than the two words by line and dash by word or letter. I wonder why it is adding the "N" sound to the dash in my setup. It is a distinct N sound not an on sound. On 1/27/2021 3:45 PM, Marty wrote: Kevin, Your first example does indeed say “On dash” when reading letter by letter, but doesn’t say anything when reading by line. The second example just says “Dash” when reading letter by letter and nothing when reading line by line. I am using JAWS 21. I have noticed this in earlier versions of JAWS as well. Love in Christ Marty If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020 *From:* Kevin meyers <mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:20 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Using hyphen Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
David Diamond
I agree with Brian. At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper. This is generally a total of 8 hours. Point? So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight. Tie in? How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them. It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X. Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Re: defender
Stan Holdeman
Thanks for the detailed guide for Defender.
Stan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 7:12 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: defender
Hi Stan,
see if the tutorial below will help: From: Jim Flusche
** Now shortened to just Windows security in the W2004update.
This file is updated to the W2004 update.
* The security of your computer is the most important program on your computer!
*How to use the Windows security program on your computer?
*Tip, pin the Windows security program to the Taskbar.
How do I do that?
Press the windows key, followed by the down arrow, you land in the All Apps list box.
Press the letter W, down arrow and highlight, windows security .
Press the applications key, arrow down to more sub menu, right arrow to, pin to Taskbar, press enter.
Now the Windows security program is pinned to the Taskbar, you can skip going directly through the settings area and all the below steps to get to it.
*Tip, after pinning it to the taskbar, just press windows key+T, type the letter W, until you hear Windows security, press the Enter key to open it.
*Tip, how to go through the settings area to find the Windows security program.
Press Windows key+I, you will land in the settings area search edit box, Tab one time.
Either press the Right arrow key, or just press the End key to, Update and security, press the spacebar, Tab one time.
Down arrow two times to, Windows security , press the spacebar.
Tab one time to, open Windows security, Press the Spacebar.
*tip, If you have a new computer, you might hear, use Windows security instead.
*tip, After you open the Windows security program.
On my computer I hear, Virus & threat protectionNo action needed, 1 of 7.
** Now with Jaws 2020 I need to Press the Down arrow many times and then I Press the up arrow to see all the catigories under Windows Security.
Now Arrow up to Virus & threat protection, you will now hear, 2 of 8, instead of 1 of 7.
Press Enter on, Virus & threat protection, my computer says, No threats found, Quick scan Button, Press Enter on quick scan button to start your own scan
When the scan was finished I herd a chime followed by, a New notification from Windows Security, Windows Defender scan results, Microsoft Defender Antivirus
*tip, During the scan I Pressed numpad minus followed by Page up a few times, followed by the down arrow to read the progress of the running scan.‑
If you miss the audio notice message, press Windows key+A, down arrow one time, and listen to the action center items, windows security notices should
Now to do a full scan, follow the above directions to the quick scan button, this time tab one more time to, Scan options Link, press the spacebar.
You land on, Allowed threats link, Tab to full scan radio button, checked, Tab one time to, Custom scan radio button not checked, Or tab one more time
Now after what ever radio button you choose, Tab to, the scan now button, press the spacebar.
*Tip, if you choose the off line scan, you will hear, save your work, or you may only hear scan now, press the Scan now button again, you will get the
Tab to yes, press the enter key.
You will hear, signing out, now your computer will begin the restart process while Windows Security does an off line scan.
Windows Security will scan your computer during the restart process, when you hear the password or the pin edit box, Windows Security has finished the
*tip After you enter your pin or password, the Windows Security window may come up instead of your desktop.
When you press enter on the windows security program pinned to the Taskbar, or use it's shortcut windows key+number row position pinned to the Taskbar.
In my case, press Windows key+6, will open the windows security program, you get to skip all the steps in the settings area of W-10 on getting to the
*How to check the Device performance & health of your computer.
Go to Windows Security.
Press the spacebar or enter key on, Device performance & health.
Wait for a few minutes.
Now either Press the Down arrow, or Tab a few times to, Health report List box.
You should hear, Health report List box, Windows UpdateNo issues, 1 of 3
Down arrow one time, you should hear, Storage capacityNo issues.
Down arrow again, you should hear, Device driverNo issues.
* In my opinion the built-in Windows Security program from Microsoft is all you need to keep your computer safe, but if you wish to spend unnecessary money
The Windows Security program is much easier to use, then it is on trying to explain in a short text file, on how to use the Windows Security program.
Well I did my best, I hope I was still able to help some of you, on learning about using the Windows Security program on your computer.
* Important,remember The security of your computer is the most important program on your computer!
Sincerely: Jim Flusche.
----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Holdeman Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 1:44 PM Subject: defender
I am rid of McAfee and am now relying on Defender. I have jaws 2021 and windows 10 ver 20h2.
Wher can I learn more about Defender? How do I manually request a quick scan, for instance? A little help to get me started will l be appreciated.
Stan
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Re: Crosspost: Question about new member
Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.
I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Re: Google Docs Question
Ann Byrne
Google docs is a world unto itself. Pressing Pressing ctrl+alt+z turns on screen reader mode. There are a number of JAWS webinars about using Google docs with JAWS, as well as information under (probably) support.google.com and TCSAccess.com/youtube.
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Good luck! . At 06:03 PM 1/27/2021, you wrote:
Thank you! Will that fix the fact that after the words are typed, they
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Crosspost: Question about new member
Jasmine Kotsay
Hi, I know a teacher who would like to learn more about JAWS. I thought it might be good for her to come onto a listserv or two so she can ask questions and learn from us. Is that possible? She can see, but she is a VI teacher.
Sincerely, Jasmine
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Re: Google Docs Question
Jasmine Kotsay
Thank you! Will that fix the fact that after the words are typed, they
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cannot be read back?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 2:59 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Google Docs Question First, assuming he is using JAWS, be sure that the virtual cursor is turned off with insert+z. At 04:47 PM 1/27/2021, you wrote: Hi,
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