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moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Glenn / Lenny
 


I would make a different point about wearing blindfolds.
In any situation, but especially the Blind service industry, the blindfolds typically are not worn for empathy, they actually are or should be worn so the wearer can learn non-visual skills, independent of sight.
If a sighted person is going to be teaching Blindness skills, then that person needs to have confidence in the skills being taught.
Also, as far as being on a Jaws or any other list oriented to those who use the associated products, it could be anyone, like the guy or gal down the street who does not even use the product.  As far as rules go, although one could discriminate against the sighted, there would be no way to police it.
And really, who cares who joins any list, as long as they aren't a problem lister.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

Randy Barnett
 

Yes, AT instructors have to spend a week or two blindfolded so they can empathize and understand what it is really like. without doing this they aren't able to really understand what it is like for us.

On 1/27/2021 5:44 PM, David Diamond wrote:

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Using hyphen

Mario
 

in the first example, it is auto correcting the dash or hyphen into the HTML equivalent? just guessing.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Randy Barnett [mailto:blindmansbluff09@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 7:01 PM
Subject: Using hyphen
the first says "in dash". by line, word and letter. and the second
doesn't say anything other than the two words by line and dash by word
or letter. I wonder why it is adding the "N" sound to the dash in my
setup. It is a distinct N sound not an on sound.


On 1/27/2021 3:45 PM, Marty              wrote:

Kevin,  Your first example does indeed say “On dash” when reading
letter by letter, but doesn’t say anything when reading by line.  The
second example just says “Dash” when reading letter by letter and
nothing when reading line by line.  I am using JAWS 21.  I have
noticed this in earlier versions of JAWS as well.
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with
William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full
of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1,
2020
*From:* Kevin meyers <mailto:kman2020@wi.rr.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Using hyphen

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and
when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is
saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the
hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

David Diamond
 

I agree with Brian.  At one of the guide dog schools, one of the days all students have to wear a blind fold or night shade from after Breakfast to supper.  This is generally a total of 8 hours.  Point?  So they rely on their guide dogs instead of their sight.  Tie in?  How will the sighted know about the problems the VI sector have if they are not aware of them.  It drove me nuts when someone on the Microsoft disability help desk told me to click on the yellow X.  Darling, if I could see it I would not be calling your department. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January 27, 2021 5:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: defender

Stan Holdeman
 

Thanks for the detailed  guide for Defender.

 

Stan

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 7:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: defender

 

Hi Stan,

 

see if the tutorial below will help:

From: Jim Flusche
Windows defender security center.

 

** Now shortened to just Windows security in the W2004update.

 

This file is updated to the W2004 update. 

 

* The security of your computer is the most important program on your computer!

 

*How to use the Windows security program on your computer?

 

*Tip, pin the Windows security program to the Taskbar.

 

How do I do that?

 

Press the windows key, followed by the down arrow, you land in the All Apps list box.

 

Press the letter W, down arrow and highlight, windows  security .

 

Press the applications key, arrow down to more sub menu, right arrow to, pin to Taskbar, press enter.

 

Now the Windows  security program is pinned to the Taskbar, you can skip going directly through the settings area and all the below steps to get to it.

 

*Tip, after pinning it to the taskbar, just press windows key+T, type the letter W, until you hear Windows security, press the Enter key to open it.

 

*Tip, how to go through the settings area to find the Windows security program.

 

Press Windows key+I, you will land in the settings area search edit box, Tab one time.

 

Either press the Right arrow key, or just press the End key to, Update and security, press the spacebar, Tab one time.

 

Down arrow two times to, Windows security , press the spacebar.

 

Tab one time to, open Windows security, Press the Spacebar.

 

*tip, If you have a new computer, you might hear, use Windows security instead.

 

*tip, After you open the Windows security program.

 

On my computer I hear, Virus & threat protectionNo action needed, 1 of 7.

 

** Now with Jaws 2020 I need to Press the Down arrow many times and then I Press the up arrow to see all the catigories under Windows Security.

 

Now Arrow up to Virus & threat protection, you will now hear, 2 of 8, instead of 1 of 7.

 

Press Enter on, Virus & threat protection, my computer says, No threats found, Quick scan Button, Press Enter on quick scan button to start your own  scan
on your computer.

 

When the scan was finished   I herd a chime followed by, a New notification from Windows Security, Windows Defender scan results, Microsoft Defender Antivirus
scanned your device at 6:10:44 PM on ‎7/‎1/‎2020. No new threats were found.

 

*tip, During the scan I Pressed numpad minus followed by Page up a few times, followed by the down arrow to read the progress of the running  scan.‑

 

If you miss the audio notice message, press Windows key+A, down arrow one time, and listen to the action center items, windows security notices should
be the first item.

 

Now to do a full scan, follow the above directions to the quick scan button, this time tab one more time to, Scan options Link, press the spacebar.

 

You land on,  Allowed threats link, Tab to full scan radio button, checked, Tab one time to, Custom scan radio button not checked, Or tab one more time
to Windows Defender Offline scan radio button not checked.

 

Now after what ever radio button you choose, Tab to, the scan now button, press the spacebar.

 

*Tip, if you choose the off line scan, you will hear, save your work, or you may only hear scan now, press the Scan now button again, you will get the
users account notification.

 

Tab to yes, press the enter key.

 

You will hear, signing out, now your computer will begin the restart process while Windows Security does an off line scan.

 

Windows Security will scan your computer during the restart process, when you hear the password or the pin edit box, Windows Security has finished the
off line scan.

 

*tip After you enter your pin or password, the Windows Security window may come up instead of your desktop.

 

When you press enter on the windows security program pinned to the Taskbar, or use it's shortcut windows key+number row position pinned to the Taskbar.

 

In my case, press Windows key+6, will open the windows  security program, you get to skip all the steps in the settings area of W-10 on getting to the
Windows  security program.

 

*How to check the Device performance & health of your computer.

 

Go to Windows  Security.

 

Press the spacebar or enter key on, Device performance & health.

 

Wait for a few minutes.

 

Now either Press the Down arrow, or Tab a few times to, Health report List box.

 

You should hear, Health report List box, Windows UpdateNo issues, 1 of 3

 

Down arrow one time, you should hear, Storage capacityNo issues.

 

Down arrow again, you should hear, Device driverNo issues.

 

* In my opinion the built-in Windows Security program from Microsoft is all you need to keep your computer safe, but if you wish to spend unnecessary money
for another anti-virous program, then go ahead! 

 

The Windows Security program is much easier to use, then it is on trying to explain in a short text file, on how to use the Windows Security program.

 

Well I did my best, I hope I was still able to help some of you, on learning about using the Windows Security program on your computer.

 

* Important,remember The security of your computer is the most important program on your computer!

 

 

Sincerely: Jim Flusche. 


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 1:44 PM

Subject: defender

 

I am rid of McAfee and am now relying on Defender. I have jaws 2021 and windows 10 ver 20h2.

 

Wher can I learn more about Defender? How do I manually request a quick scan, for instance? A little help to get me started will l be appreciated.

 

Stan

 

 


moderated Re: Crosspost: Question about new member

 

Well, unless there's some rule banning the sighted (in which case I should have been gone, long ago), I can't see this as a problem.

I think it's an excellent idea for sighted individuals working in the VI sphere to join and learn from the groups related to same.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Google Docs Question

Ann Byrne
 

Google docs is a world unto itself. Pressing Pressing ctrl+alt+z turns on screen reader mode. There are a number of JAWS webinars about using Google docs with JAWS, as well as information under (probably) support.google.com and TCSAccess.com/youtube.

Good luck!
. At 06:03 PM 1/27/2021, you wrote:

Thank you! Will that fix the fact that after the words are typed, they
cannot be read back?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Google Docs Question

First, assuming he is using JAWS, be sure that the virtual cursor is turned
off with insert+z.
At 04:47 PM 1/27/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

I am helping a teacher and student team with Google Docs. The student
is experiencing an issue where once he types something into Google
Docs, he can't read it back. Another thing that is happening is that
when he is in a Google Doc, whatever is in the document will not read.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Sincerely,

Jasmine









moderated Crosspost: Question about new member

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi,

I know a teacher who would like to learn more about JAWS. I thought it might be good for her to come onto a listserv or two so she can ask questions and learn from us. Is that possible? She can see, but she is a VI teacher.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine


moderated Re: Google Docs Question

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Thank you! Will that fix the fact that after the words are typed, they
cannot be read back?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Google Docs Question

First, assuming he is using JAWS, be sure that the virtual cursor is turned
off with insert+z.
At 04:47 PM 1/27/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

I am helping a teacher and student team with Google Docs. The student
is experiencing an issue where once he types something into Google
Docs, he can't read it back. Another thing that is happening is that
when he is in a Google Doc, whatever is in the document will not read.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Sincerely,

Jasmine


moderated Re: Using hyphen

Randy Barnett
 

the first says "in dash". by line, word and letter. and the second doesn't say anything other than the two words by line and dash by word or letter. I wonder why it is adding the "N" sound to the dash in my setup. It is a distinct N sound not an on sound.


On 1/27/2021 3:45 PM, Marty              wrote:

Kevin,  Your first example does indeed say “On dash” when reading letter by letter, but doesn’t say anything when reading by line.  The second example just says “Dash” when reading letter by letter and nothing when reading line by line.  I am using JAWS 21.  I have noticed this in earlier versions of JAWS as well.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:20 PM
Subject: Using hyphen
 

 

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Using hyphen

Marty Hutchings
 

Kevin,  Your first example does indeed say “On dash” when reading letter by letter, but doesn’t say anything when reading by line.  The second example just says “Dash” when reading letter by letter and nothing when reading line by line.  I am using JAWS 21.  I have noticed this in earlier versions of JAWS as well.
 
Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 1:20 PM
Subject: Using hyphen
 

 

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Google Docs Question

Ann Byrne
 

First, assuming he is using JAWS, be sure that the virtual cursor is turned off with insert+z.

At 04:47 PM 1/27/2021, you wrote:

Hi,

I am helping a teacher and student team with Google Docs. The student is experiencing an issue where once he types something into Google Docs, he can't read it back. Another thing that is happening is that when he is in a Google Doc, whatever is in the document will not read. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Sincerely,

Jasmine


moderated Google Docs Question

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi,

I am helping a teacher and student team with Google Docs. The student is experiencing an issue where once he types something into Google Docs, he can’t read it back. Another thing that is happening is that when he is in a Google Doc, whatever is in the document will not read. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine


moderated more gmail questions

Madison Martin
 

Hi again all,
I've noticed that when I click on an email address on a website the message gets
sent from my old email, other then going and manually changing it, is there any
way to make the change so that it's permanent? Also, within the treeview of
folders in gmail there's a folder called important, messages seem to be just
going in there automatically, is there a way to stop this? Using the latest
Jaws, Outlook 365, and Windows 10 version 2004. Thanks again for all your
patience!!!!
Madison


moderated more gmail questions

Madison Martin
 

Hi again all,
I've noticed that when I click on an email address on a website the message gets
sent from my old email, other then going and manually changing it, is there any
way to make the change so that it's permanent? Also, within the treeview of
folders in gmail there's a folder called important, messages seem to be just
going in there automatically, is there a way to stop this? Using the latest
Jaws, Outlook 365, and Windows 10 version 2004. Thanks again for all your
patience!!!!
Madison


moderated Re: Using hyphen

Mario
 

using Eloquence with JAWS, to me, it sounds more like en dash.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Van Lant, Robin via groups.io [mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 3:08 PM
Subject: Using hyphen
To echo what Bill pointed out, sighted readers will be a bit confused by
someone using a simple hyphen between words since it is visually shorter
in length, rather than the m Dash the autocorrection makes.  Better to
leave it to autocorrect and just know why JAWS is saying m dash.  I
agree; at least with Vocalizer Nathan, it sounds more like “on dash”.

leave

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Richard
Turner
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:38 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Using hyphen

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before clicking links or opening attachments.

It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an
“M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH.

If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.”

So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name.

A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you
write hello-goodbye  with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says
“dash” when it really should say “hyphen”.

Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis.

A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which
irritates me, but what is one going to do.

That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between
lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the
word is supposed to be joined.

But screen readers are not grammar teachers.

Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
realize that you are in a hurry.

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Don Walls
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:23 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Using hyphen

Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman).  If you
type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.

Don

*From:*kevin meyers

*Sent:*Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM

*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>

*Subject:*Using hyphen

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when
it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying
on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the
hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

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moderated Re: Using hyphen

Van Lant, Robin
 

To echo what Bill pointed out, sighted readers will be a bit confused by someone using a simple hyphen between words since it is visually shorter in length, rather than the m Dash the autocorrection makes.  Better to leave it to autocorrect and just know why JAWS is saying m dash.  I agree; at least with Vocalizer Nathan, it sounds more like “on dash”.

 

 

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using hyphen

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an “M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH.

If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.”

So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name.

A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you write hello-goodbye  with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says “dash” when it really should say “hyphen”.

Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis.

A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which irritates me, but what is one going to do.

That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the word is supposed to be joined.

But screen readers are not grammar teachers.

 

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using hyphen

 

Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman).  If you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.

 

Don

 

From: kevin meyers

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM

Subject: Using hyphen

 

 

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

 

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moderated Re: Using hyphen

Don Walls
 

Richard and Bill, thanks for your comments.  We all learned something today! (Smile)
 
Don
 

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using hyphen
 

It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an “M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH.

If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.”

So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name.

A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you write hello-goodbye  with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says “dash” when it really should say “hyphen”.

Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis.

A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which irritates me, but what is one going to do.

That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the word is supposed to be joined.

But screen readers are not grammar teachers.

 

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using hyphen

 

Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman).  If you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.

 

Don

 

From: kevin meyers

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Using hyphen

 

 

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Using hyphen

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

By the way, the n dash is a dash which is longer than a simple hyphen. By unchecking this check box in the autoformat tab, the hyphen is no longer replaced by the longer dash. This is why it no longer says n dash.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using hyphen

 

 

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

 


moderated Re: Using hyphen

Richard Turner
 

It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an “M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH.

If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.”

So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name.

A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you write hello-goodbye  with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says “dash” when it really should say “hyphen”.

Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis.

A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which irritates me, but what is one going to do.

That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the word is supposed to be joined.

But screen readers are not grammar teachers.

 

 

 

 

Richard

 

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

 

 

My web site, www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using hyphen

 

Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman).  If you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.

 

Don

 

From: kevin meyers

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM

Subject: Using hyphen

 

 

Hello,

I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions.

Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash.

Here is an example:

Hello – goodbye

Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue?

Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in.

Hello - goodbye!

Thanks,

Kevin

 

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