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Ann Byrne
Google docs is a world unto itself. Pressing Pressing ctrl+alt+z turns on screen reader mode. There are a number of JAWS webinars about using Google docs with JAWS, as well as information under (probably) support.google.com and TCSAccess.com/youtube.
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Good luck! . At 06:03 PM 1/27/2021, you wrote:
Thank you! Will that fix the fact that after the words are typed, they
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Jasmine Kotsay
Hi, I know a teacher who would like to learn more about JAWS. I thought it might be good for her to come onto a listserv or two so she can ask questions and learn from us. Is that possible? She can see, but she is a VI teacher.
Sincerely, Jasmine
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Jasmine Kotsay
Thank you! Will that fix the fact that after the words are typed, they
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cannot be read back?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 2:59 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Google Docs Question First, assuming he is using JAWS, be sure that the virtual cursor is turned off with insert+z. At 04:47 PM 1/27/2021, you wrote: Hi,
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Re: Using hyphen
Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
the first says "in dash". by line, word and letter. and the
second doesn't say anything other than the two words by line and
dash by word or letter. I wonder why it is adding the "N" sound to
the dash in my setup. It is a distinct N sound not an on sound.
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Marty Hutchings
Kevin, Your first example does indeed say “On dash” when reading
letter by letter, but doesn’t say anything when reading by line. The
second example just says “Dash” when reading letter by letter and nothing when
reading line by line. I am using JAWS 21. I have noticed this in
earlier versions of JAWS as well.
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Marty If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
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Ann Byrne
First, assuming he is using JAWS, be sure that the virtual cursor is turned off with insert+z.
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Google Docs Question
Jasmine Kotsay
Hi, I am helping a teacher and student team with Google Docs. The student is experiencing an issue where once he types something into Google Docs, he can’t read it back. Another thing that is happening is that when he is in a Google Doc, whatever is in the document will not read. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely, Jasmine
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more gmail questions
Madison Martin
Hi again all,
I've noticed that when I click on an email address on a website the message gets sent from my old email, other then going and manually changing it, is there any way to make the change so that it's permanent? Also, within the treeview of folders in gmail there's a folder called important, messages seem to be just going in there automatically, is there a way to stop this? Using the latest Jaws, Outlook 365, and Windows 10 version 2004. Thanks again for all your patience!!!! Madison
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more gmail questions
Madison Martin
Hi again all,
I've noticed that when I click on an email address on a website the message gets sent from my old email, other then going and manually changing it, is there any way to make the change so that it's permanent? Also, within the treeview of folders in gmail there's a folder called important, messages seem to be just going in there automatically, is there a way to stop this? Using the latest Jaws, Outlook 365, and Windows 10 version 2004. Thanks again for all your patience!!!! Madison
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Re: Using hyphen
Mario
using Eloquence with JAWS, to me, it sounds more like en dash.
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From: Van Lant, Robin via groups.io [mailto:Robin_Van_Lant=Key.com@groups.io] To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 3:08 PM Subject: Using hyphen To echo what Bill pointed out, sighted readers will be a bit confused by someone using a simple hyphen between words since it is visually shorter in length, rather than the m Dash the autocorrection makes. Better to leave it to autocorrect and just know why JAWS is saying m dash. I agree; at least with Vocalizer Nathan, it sounds more like “on dash”. leave *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Richard Turner *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:38 PM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: Using hyphen WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an “M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH. If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.” So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name. A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you write hello-goodbye with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says “dash” when it really should say “hyphen”. Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis. A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which irritates me, but what is one going to do. That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the word is supposed to be joined. But screen readers are not grammar teachers. Richard Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry. My web site, www.turner42.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.turner42.com__;!!LteP8qmF6ok6!diyhDmk_nuFDRGzES7TIc7l3ps6vIuEJrf2MoGQXAHuGns8biVJv0MSGvfksxRCQ5jo$> *From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Don Walls *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:23 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: Using hyphen Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman). If you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads. Don *From:*kevin meyers *Sent:*Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM *To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:*Using hyphen Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Re: Using hyphen
Van Lant, Robin
To echo what Bill pointed out, sighted readers will be a bit confused by someone using a simple hyphen between words since it is visually shorter in length, rather than the m Dash the autocorrection makes. Better to leave it to autocorrect and just know why JAWS is saying m dash. I agree; at least with Vocalizer Nathan, it sounds more like “on dash”.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 12:38 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Using hyphen
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an “M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH. If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.” So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name. A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you write hello-goodbye with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says “dash” when it really should say “hyphen”. Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis. A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which irritates me, but what is one going to do. That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the word is supposed to be joined. But screen readers are not grammar teachers.
Richard
Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
My web site, www.turner42.com
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Don Walls
Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman). If you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.
Don
From: kevin meyers Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM Subject: Using hyphen
Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Don Walls
Richard and Bill, thanks for your comments. We all learned something
today! (Smile)
Don
From: Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:38 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using hyphen It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an “M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH. If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.” So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name. A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you write hello-goodbye with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says “dash” when it really should say “hyphen”. Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis. A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which irritates me, but what is one going to do. That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the word is supposed to be joined. But screen readers are not grammar teachers.
Richard
Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
My web site, www.turner42.com
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Don Walls
Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman). If you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.
Don
From: kevin meyers Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Using hyphen
Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
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Re: Using hyphen
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
By the way, the n dash is a dash which is longer than a simple hyphen. By unchecking this check box in the autoformat tab, the hyphen is no longer replaced by the longer dash. This is why it no longer says n dash.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:21 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Using hyphen
Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
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Re: Using hyphen
Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
It is saying “m dash” because a hyphen with a space on each side is an “M dash” WHICH MEANS THE SHORT DASH. If it were a long dash, it would say “N dash.” So, Jaws is accurately reporting the punctuation name. A hyphen, in strict terms, is used to join two words together, so if you write hello-goodbye with no spaces jaws, like most screen readers says “dash” when it really should say “hyphen”. Dashes are used to separate words kind of like parenthesis. A lot of authors seems to be using dashes in place of parenthesis, which irritates me, but what is one going to do. That is why when you split a word with more than one syllable between lines you use a hyphen not a dash because the hyphen denotes that the word is supposed to be joined. But screen readers are not grammar teachers.
Richard
Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
My web site, www.turner42.com
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Don Walls
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Using hyphen
Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman). If you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.
Don
From: kevin meyers Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM Subject: Using hyphen
Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
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Re: Using hyphen
Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
Hi, Kevin and Don. To stop this behavior in Outlook and Office,
1. Open the Outlook Options dialog box. 2. click File > Options. 3. click the Mail in the left bar, and then click the Spelling and Autocorrect button in the Compose messages section. 4. In the Editor Options dialog box, click the Proofing in the left bar, and then click the AutoCorrect Options button in the AutoCorrect options section. 5. In the AutoCorrect dialog box, go to the AutoFormat As You Type tab, and uncheck the Hyphens (--) with dash (—) check box, And then click the OK button. 6. Click the OK buttons to close all dialog boxes to finish saving the settings. From now on, the hyphen will be spoken as dash instead of n dash.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:21 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Using hyphen
Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
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Re: Using hyphen
Don Walls
Is it perhaps not saying “on” but the letter “nn (as in Norman). If
you type a hyphen with a space each side of it, that’s what it reads.
Don
From: kevin
meyers
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using hyphen
Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
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Using hyphen
kevin meyers
Hello, I’m using Windows10 , Jaws2021 and Outlook2021 most recent versions. Since the most recent update with Jaws2021 I will use a hyphen and when it is between two letters with a space between it sounds like is saying on. I then delete it and it then says dash. Here is an example: Hello – goodbye Does this say on between the words? Has anyone encountered this issue? Below is an example when I type the same as above, then delete the hyphen and type it back in. Hello - goodbye! Thanks, Kevin
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Re: jaws and outlook problem
Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
But, you have braille everywhere else?
If so, try turning off the preview pane. I assume you have maximized the screen? And/or rebooted? Which versions of the software are you using?
Richard
Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
My web site, www.turner42.com
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gery Gaubert
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:46 AM To: JFW@GROUPS.IO Subject: jaws and outlook problem
I don’t have any braille on my display when in outlook. No preview, no info when I try to read messages. I had thiws a while back and It had something to do with I think insert f or something. I saved the message on my work computer and thought I had forwarded it to my home email address. I no longer have access to my work computer since I have retired. Does anyone remember this being on the list a month or so ago?
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jaws and outlook problem
Gery Gaubert
I don’t have any braille on my display when in outlook. No preview, no info when I try to read messages. I had thiws a while back and It had something to do with I think insert f or something. I saved the message on my work computer and thought I had forwarded it to my home email address. I no longer have access to my work computer since I have retired. Does anyone remember this being on the list a month or so ago?
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Re: Request email id for contacting Vispero
Cohn, Jonathan
Well, it is very hard to tell from the original notes, but if this application is not providing any data to JAWS in standard mode or with touch cursor (press shift-numpad plus) or JAWS cursor. then scripts from Freedom Scientific will not do much good. Unless there are millions of users of this tool, or if the developer pays for the development of scripts. Developing scripts for a new complex application can take 100's hours, one essentially has to reverse engineer the way the application talks to Windows and then create new interactions. Not to mention, if the application does not work well with a screen reader than it probably does not work well with other access technologies.
** More details below if interested ** JAWS uses Microsoft Accessibility API like MSAA and UIA to interpret what the application puts on the screen. If the development environment used by the developer does not support or poorly supports these protocols, or if the vendor creates their own widgets without providing support for these API, or if the program locks out accessibility programs from communicating with it then there is little to nothing that a AT vendor can do. JAWS scripts are great for making lists that can be seen with API, but are not navigated intuitively be able to be navigated with arrow keys, or with adding ways to jump to a part of the user interface, but if the vendor is expecting that JAWS will talk to the program with a "com" interface and have its own proprietary way of user interface specifically designed for the blind, that would be hard to develop and harder to maintain.
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