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moderated Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Brian. Below is a link that, when pasted into the Edge address bar will take you to the Nord VPN for Chrome. You can add this to Edge.

 

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nordvpn-%E2%80%94-1-vpn-chrome-ex/fjoaledfpmneenckfbpdfhkmimnjocfa?hl=en

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Zolo
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

 

Hey there, Bill, brother Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio, how’s it going?  I’m attempting to get and install the nord vpn extension for Microsoft edge and I’ve checked the box in settings to allow settings from the google store but I’m not being successful in finding the nordvpn browser extension for chrome.  Any suggestions you have will be greatly appreciated, you stay safe and have a blessed day!  BZ!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

 

Hi, David. One thing can make Microsoft's Settings behave sort of like that of Google Chrome's Settings. Once you reach the Settings page in edge, if you press the B key a few times, do you see a button labelled something like Main Settings Menu? If so, press SPACE or ENTER on that button, and you will see headings for all the settings.

 

If you don't see this button, try the following. Once you are in Settings (not Settings and More), TAB once, and see if you see a Settings tree view for which JAWS announces Settings Tree View. If you see this category list, all you need do is Arrow up and down to reach a particular Settings category. Once you find the category you wish to explore, simply press ENTER.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 6:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

 

Hi Robin and others,

 

Thanks for the question and ideas of ways to find settings you can change. While the new Edge is very nice in many respects, procedures for accessing all the settings you can change is not one of them. It makes no intuitive sense. By contrast, the Chrome Settings page is much easy to figure out for anybody who knows how to navigate by headings. I hope at some point, the Microsoft folks reconfigure their Settings page so it can be navigated similar to how the Chrome Settings page is navigated.

 

Regards,

David

 

 


moderated Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

Brian Zolo
 

Hey there, Bill, brother Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio, how’s it going?  I’m attempting to get and install the nord vpn extension for Microsoft edge and I’ve checked the box in settings to allow settings from the google store but I’m not being successful in finding the nordvpn browser extension for chrome.  Any suggestions you have will be greatly appreciated, you stay safe and have a blessed day!  BZ!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 12:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

 

Hi, David. One thing can make Microsoft's Settings behave sort of like that of Google Chrome's Settings. Once you reach the Settings page in edge, if you press the B key a few times, do you see a button labelled something like Main Settings Menu? If so, press SPACE or ENTER on that button, and you will see headings for all the settings.

 

If you don't see this button, try the following. Once you are in Settings (not Settings and More), TAB once, and see if you see a Settings tree view for which JAWS announces Settings Tree View. If you see this category list, all you need do is Arrow up and down to reach a particular Settings category. Once you find the category you wish to explore, simply press ENTER.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 6:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

 

Hi Robin and others,

 

Thanks for the question and ideas of ways to find settings you can change. While the new Edge is very nice in many respects, procedures for accessing all the settings you can change is not one of them. It makes no intuitive sense. By contrast, the Chrome Settings page is much easy to figure out for anybody who knows how to navigate by headings. I hope at some point, the Microsoft folks reconfigure their Settings page so it can be navigated similar to how the Chrome Settings page is navigated.

 

Regards,

David

 

 


moderated Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, David. One thing can make Microsoft's Settings behave sort of like that of Google Chrome's Settings. Once you reach the Settings page in edge, if you press the B key a few times, do you see a button labelled something like Main Settings Menu? If so, press SPACE or ENTER on that button, and you will see headings for all the settings.

 

If you don't see this button, try the following. Once you are in Settings (not Settings and More), TAB once, and see if you see a Settings tree view for which JAWS announces Settings Tree View. If you see this category list, all you need do is Arrow up and down to reach a particular Settings category. Once you find the category you wish to explore, simply press ENTER.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 6:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

 

Hi Robin and others,

 

Thanks for the question and ideas of ways to find settings you can change. While the new Edge is very nice in many respects, procedures for accessing all the settings you can change is not one of them. It makes no intuitive sense. By contrast, the Chrome Settings page is much easy to figure out for anybody who knows how to navigate by headings. I hope at some point, the Microsoft folks reconfigure their Settings page so it can be navigated similar to how the Chrome Settings page is navigated.

 

Regards,

David

 

 


moderated Re: Jeff Lukacsena: introduction

Mario
 

hi Jeff and welcome to our mailing list. lots of questions, lots of possible solutions, and some are right on target.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Jeff Lukacsena [mailto:jlukacsena@comcast.net]
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2021, 7:53 PM
Subject: Jeff Lukacsena: introduction
Hello Everyone,

I would like to introduce myself to thislist.

My name is Jeff Lukacsena. I live in Pittsburgh PA and I have ben using
Jaws as far back as version 3.2

I am a graduate of Duquesne University in 1992 with a BA in
Communications, and Public and Professional Writing certificate from the
University of Pittsburgh.

I just completed Bosma Enterprises Salesforce certification and I am
still trying to pass the admin certification.

I am also interested in website design and and computer programming, and
would like to dable in Liniux.

That’s all for now.

If any wants to e-mail me off list they can at jlukacsena@comcast.net
<mailto:jlukacsena@comcast.net>

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena


moderated Re: Navigation of Settings in new MS Edge

David Kingsbury
 

Hi Robin and others,

 

Thanks for the question and ideas of ways to find settings you can change. While the new Edge is very nice in many respects, procedures for accessing all the settings you can change is not one of them. It makes no intuitive sense. By contrast, the Chrome Settings page is much easy to figure out for anybody who knows how to navigate by headings. I hope at some point, the Microsoft folks reconfigure their Settings page so it can be navigated similar to how the Chrome Settings page is navigated.

 

Regards,

David

 

 


moderated Re: punctuation when reading by word

Mike B.
 


Hi Andrew,
 
Yes, it did, and does.  Did you try changing your punctuation settings at all to see if it would help?  If this doesn't help try changing the speech and sound scheme for the application.  The keystroke to access the list of speech and sound schemes is,
 Jaws key, alt + S.
 
This will take some experimentation and I do understand what you are wanting, but what you want and what Jaws settings can provide or, lack thereof as far as settings go is all we have to work with unless other scripts are written for the type of reading you desire.
 
If you find a speech and sound scheme that is pretty close to what you want you could possibly modify the sound scheme to do exactly what you are wanting but again, this will also take some, and maybe a lot of experimentation.  If you do decide to modify a speech and sound scheme keep track of the defaultnames / titles  because if you create / modify a default it will call it modified and if it's done more than once it'll a add a number as well.
 
Example:  default scheme name, Classic, and after being modified, Classic modified  or  Classic modified 2...

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: punctuation when reading by word

Hello Mike. Thanks for taking the time to answer the question. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear. When I say reading by word, I mean reviewing the document left to right by word, insert right arrow for each word. Reviewing the document that way, in certain applications, punctuation is included with each word, but other times it is treated as another word, so I have to press the keystroke twice or three times to get past some heavy areas of punctuation.
Does that clarify my problem?


moderated Jeff Lukacsena: introduction

Jeff Lukacsena
 

Hello Everyone,

I would like to introduce myself to thislist.

My name is Jeff Lukacsena. I live in Pittsburgh PA and I have ben using Jaws as far back as version 3.2

I am a graduate of Duquesne University in 1992 with a BA in Communications, and Public and Professional Writing certificate from the University of Pittsburgh.

I just completed Bosma Enterprises Salesforce certification and I am still trying to pass the admin certification.

I am also interested in website design and and computer programming, and would like to dable in Liniux.

That’s all for now.

If any wants to e-mail me off list they can at jlukacsena@...

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena


moderated Re: punctuation when reading by word

Andrew James Bontrager
 

Hello Mike. Thanks for taking the time to answer the question. I'm sorry I didn't make it clear. When I say reading by word, I mean reviewing the document left to right by word, insert right arrow for each word. Reviewing the document that way, in certain applications, punctuation is included with each word, but other times it is treated as another word, so I have to press the keystroke twice or three times to get past some heavy areas of punctuation.
Does that clarify my problem?


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Yes, Me too.


sorry Glen. You are correct and as often is the case MS changes things and takes away your choices... in that you can no longer get the .ISO directly from the ms site if you are running windows. You can use developer tools to spoof a non windows browser and they will show up. or use a non windows machine or a 3rd party download site or use Rufus to get it.

I imagine this is to reduce tech support costs...

On 1/23/2021 3:41 PM, Brian          wrote:

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 02:18 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
But you can download the iso directly from Microsoft you don't have to use the media creation tool
-
You are correct on this, too, but I personally use the MCT because it can (and often does) build an ISO file that is more recent as far as the patches that have been applied than the static ones you can download.  It also doesn't really take any additional time of significance and is, for many, quite a bit more user friendly.  

But no matter what, you can download the Windows 10 ISO under Windows (any Windows).  Even Rufus now has a feature allowing the end user to download the ISO for any version of Windows 10, including ancient ones.  

How to download Windows 10 ISO using Rufus

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

 

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 02:18 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
But you can download the iso directly from Microsoft you don't have to use the media creation tool
-
You are correct on this, too, but I personally use the MCT because it can (and often does) build an ISO file that is more recent as far as the patches that have been applied than the static ones you can download.  It also doesn't really take any additional time of significance and is, for many, quite a bit more user friendly.  

But no matter what, you can download the Windows 10 ISO under Windows (any Windows).  Even Rufus now has a feature allowing the end user to download the ISO for any version of Windows 10, including ancient ones.  

How to download Windows 10 ISO using Rufus

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: announcement of language in Thunderbird

Mario
 

thanks Randy. I remember someone mentioning this setting but couldn't remember.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Randy Barnett [mailto:blindmansbluff09@gmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2021, 2:36 PM
Subject: announcement of language in Thunderbird
go to the jaws default settings and uncheck detect languages.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 23, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

occasionally, I will open an email to read and JAWS will announce the language (encoding?), for example:

GreekHi,

GreekI am having a problem...

or


GermanHi,

GermanI am having a problem...

what can I change in JAWS's settings to stop the announcement of the language?










.


moderated Re: announcement of language in Thunderbird

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

go to the jaws default settings and uncheck detect languages.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 23, 2021, at 7:59 AM, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:

occasionally, I will open an email to read and JAWS will announce the language (encoding?), for example:

GreekHi,

GreekI am having a problem...

or


GermanHi,

GermanI am having a problem...

what can I change in JAWS's settings to stop the announcement of the language?


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

Glenn / Lenny
 


Well perhaps they have changed it from a few months back, because I spent a couple hours at the Microsoft site and only found an EXE file to download, and never was offered an ISO until I went to the site with Linux.
Can you provide a link for an ISO specifically?
 
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Install

hi, I'm sorry to have to side with Brian here. But you can download the iso directly from Microsoft you don't have to use the media creation tool or anything else I've done it many many times you just go to the Windows 10 downloads page to go down to more and there's a few tabs I don't remember the exact names of them you just open them off until you find the version of windows you want and you just download that iso. There's no secret or magic to it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 23, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


All I'm reporting is that without some confidence giving such as a tutorial for getting the ISO specifically, it is unclear using the stub from Microsoft that your system won't be wiped.
So I felt it safer to get it with Linux.
And apparently many people on-line felt the same, as when I researched how to get the ISO, I found a lot of posts of non-Blind users having the same challenge and also used Mac or Linux to obtain the ISO.
So if one wants to wipe their system anyway, you might feel comfortable doing it, or otherwise, follow Brian's tutorial first.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Install

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 12:54 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Yes, it downloads the ISO, but if you don't want to install at that time, it does not work.
-
Please don't spread misinformation based on user error, which is what this is.

The instructions I posted give clear, step-by-step, instructions for obtaining the Windows 10 ISO file that have been used, literally, hundreds of times.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Help with email Please

Shirley Tracy
 

Dear List,

 

I'm using Windows 10, JAWS latest update, and Office 2019. I use Gmail through Windows Mail because I find it easier.

 

A few months ago, for reasons I still don't know, all my emails to the group here (and some email to certain companies) were unreadable at the recipients' end. It got fixed somehow, and now it has begun again. I am sending this note to the list pasted in from a txt document. But what I  normally do is to create and send new messages through Windows Mail. Is there a setting in Gmail that I'm missing? I can't figure this out.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Cheerfully,

 

Shirley

 

Shirley Tracy

 


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

hi, I'm sorry to have to side with Brian here. But you can download the iso directly from Microsoft you don't have to use the media creation tool or anything else I've done it many many times you just go to the Windows 10 downloads page to go down to more and there's a few tabs I don't remember the exact names of them you just open them off until you find the version of windows you want and you just download that iso. There's no secret or magic to it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 23, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


All I'm reporting is that without some confidence giving such as a tutorial for getting the ISO specifically, it is unclear using the stub from Microsoft that your system won't be wiped.
So I felt it safer to get it with Linux.
And apparently many people on-line felt the same, as when I researched how to get the ISO, I found a lot of posts of non-Blind users having the same challenge and also used Mac or Linux to obtain the ISO.
So if one wants to wipe their system anyway, you might feel comfortable doing it, or otherwise, follow Brian's tutorial first.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Install

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 12:54 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Yes, it downloads the ISO, but if you don't want to install at that time, it does not work.
-
Please don't spread misinformation based on user error, which is what this is.

The instructions I posted give clear, step-by-step, instructions for obtaining the Windows 10 ISO file that have been used, literally, hundreds of times.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

Glenn / Lenny
 


All I'm reporting is that without some confidence giving such as a tutorial for getting the ISO specifically, it is unclear using the stub from Microsoft that your system won't be wiped.
So I felt it safer to get it with Linux.
And apparently many people on-line felt the same, as when I researched how to get the ISO, I found a lot of posts of non-Blind users having the same challenge and also used Mac or Linux to obtain the ISO.
So if one wants to wipe their system anyway, you might feel comfortable doing it, or otherwise, follow Brian's tutorial first.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Install

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 12:54 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Yes, it downloads the ISO, but if you don't want to install at that time, it does not work.
-
Please don't spread misinformation based on user error, which is what this is.

The instructions I posted give clear, step-by-step, instructions for obtaining the Windows 10 ISO file that have been used, literally, hundreds of times.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

 

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 12:54 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Yes, it downloads the ISO, but if you don't want to install at that time, it does not work.
-
Please don't spread misinformation based on user error, which is what this is.

The instructions I posted give clear, step-by-step, instructions for obtaining the Windows 10 ISO file that have been used, literally, hundreds of times.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

Glenn / Lenny
 


Yes, it downloads the ISO, but if you don't want to install at that time, it does not work.
With the ISO, you can burn it to DVD or USB, or use it in VmWare.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but when I went that far, I didn't want to wipe my system just to get the ISO, and that was the sense that I got while going that route.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Install

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I found that the only way to get the ISO from Microsoft's site is to go to the download site with an operating system other than windows, otherwise you only get the stub installer, because Microsoft detects your operating system and won't give you the ISO option if you are already using Windows.
-
That is absolutely incorrect.  The Media Creation Tool (MCT) provided by Microsoft always gives you the option to create media for use on another computer, and when selected that will cause the ISO that is the current one to be downloaded.

I've posted these instructions many times, and the first covers getting the ISO file using the MCT while the second covers using the MCT to create a bootable USB drive with the Windows 10 install media on it:

Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive

and if you happen to have fetched the ISO file using the first set of instructions, there is no need to re-fetch it using the second.  You can simply burn it to bootable USB media using Rufus or a similar utility.

One never needs to use a different OS to fetch a Windows 10 ISO unless one has a dead machine.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

 

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 12:15 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I found that the only way to get the ISO from Microsoft's site is to go to the download site with an operating system other than windows, otherwise you only get the stub installer, because Microsoft detects your operating system and won't give you the ISO option if you are already using Windows.
-
That is absolutely incorrect.  The Media Creation Tool (MCT) provided by Microsoft always gives you the option to create media for use on another computer, and when selected that will cause the ISO that is the current one to be downloaded.

I've posted these instructions many times, and the first covers getting the ISO file using the MCT while the second covers using the MCT to create a bootable USB drive with the Windows 10 install media on it:

Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive

and if you happen to have fetched the ISO file using the first set of instructions, there is no need to re-fetch it using the second.  You can simply burn it to bootable USB media using Rufus or a similar utility.

One never needs to use a different OS to fetch a Windows 10 ISO unless one has a dead machine.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Windows 10 Install

Glenn / Lenny
 


I downloaded it from the Microsoft site.
I found that the only way to get the ISO from Microsoft's site is to go to the download site with an operating system other than windows, otherwise you only get the stub installer, because Microsoft detects your operating system and won't give you the ISO option if you are already using Windows.
So I used Linux to download this.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Windows 10 Install

My only note is that the ISO offered will only be good for the duration of support for the 20H2 release, and once you go to 21H1 or later, should not be used.

But it's certainly the correct ISO of this moment.  I just don't want anyone to think that any given Windows 10 ISO file is "the" ISO file and has a perpetual shelf life.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide

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