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moderated Re: Parler

Jeff Christiansen
 

James

You would have a better experience using the website as opposed to the IOS app. I cannot comment on the Android app.
Currently big-tech has succeeded in temporarily snuffing out Parler. Neither the Google Play Store or the Apple App Store offer the parler app. AWS, Amazon Web Services, has canceled the contract with Parler so there is no expected return to service until Tuesday afternoon, 01-12-2021.
With a political agenda being carried out we as screen readers will suffer. Until tomorrow don't bother but Parler.com is a manageable system to use.
You will need sighted assistance with the sign up process as there is a captcha. A few months ago support could have assisted but I suspect they are very busy now days.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 3:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

Hello Maria,

Is it accessible with jaws, do you know?

On 1/11/21, clarence carter via groups.io <clcarter=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
When speech invites people to carry out illegal actions is it still
free speech?

These platforms are privately held or owned by corporations. For
example, a newspaper is not a free speech platform. it is a platform
owned by someone, who is responsible for what is said on it.

The expression of opinions is a delicate issue. We seem to have become
a society who mixes opinion with political agendas.

We all know what people say about opinions.

I am sorry to see people getting wrapped up in this issue.






moderated Re: Parler

James English
 

Hello Maria,

Is it accessible with jaws, do you know?

On 1/11/21, clarence carter via groups.io
<clcarter=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
When speech invites people to carry out illegal actions is it still free
speech?

These platforms are privately held or owned by corporations. For example, a
newspaper is not a free speech platform. it is a platform owned by someone,
who is responsible for what is said on it.

The expression of opinions is a delicate issue. We seem to have become a
society who mixes opinion with political agendas.

We all know what people say about opinions.

I am sorry to see people getting wrapped up in this issue.






moderated Re: Lenovo laptop and function keys

Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) <steven.hicks@...>
 

You should have a fn key on your laptop, hold that down as well as the function key, that is not a permenatnt fix but should help short ter?
There may be an option for the function keys in the bios.





Steven Hicks
Servicedesk 2 Team Leader
Tel: 01209 318620.
Mobile: 07393 792548.
EMail: Steven.Hicks@NHS.NET

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bonnie Vegiard
Sent: 21 December 2020 14:00
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Lenovo laptop and function keys

Hi everyone,
Thanks for the feedback last week on my new Lenovo laptop and function keys. I was able to get someone to change the operating system so that the function keys are no longer mapped the way they were originally. Now my alt F4 does work, but none of the other function keys seem to work automatically. Can anyone help me with next steps to get the function keys to map to the jaws commands?


I am also not used to the laptop layout. Yesterday when I set up my Outlook 365 account, it wanted a password, and then the laptop told me that the caps lock key was engaged. So I am not sure if the password I typed in wasin caps OR not, but it looks like when I try to put in that password, it is not working no matter what I try. I need to know what I am typing in using the laptop layout, whether it is caps or not. Thanks!

Bonnie







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moderated Re: Parlor?

JM Casey
 

I don't disagree with a lot of what you said...but I think I know the sorts
of people you have in mind, and I think you underestimate the desire to make
converts and, shall we say, recruits to the cause.
And I wouldn't necessarilya ssume any platform is exclusively a den for such
people. I took a look at the site today and yeah, they are a bit strident
about the "free speech' angle, to the point where I get a "thou dost protest
too much" feeling fromrom it -- but I can't blame people from all sides for
being attracted to such a thing. Don't forget that the actual revolutionary
left has experienced its fair share of censorship as well.
Anyway, those interested should certainly raise their accessibility concerns
with the system operators and see if there are results.
Parler cares about PR, too, after all, and they've obviously gotten a great
boost from all this -- never heard of the platform before a few days ago,
myself. So it's in their interest now more than ever to get on board the
accessibility train.
And hey, there are blind Qs out there too, you know? ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: January 10, 2021 08:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parlor?

I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
challenges.
Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are
seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that platform and
the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort of attention given
to any consideration for accessibility is a set up for disappointment. The
crowds who cruise those message forums are probably not keen on
accommodating the disabled contingent You may want to be part of that club,
but that club most likely wants nothing to do with you... but hey, kudos for
trying I guess.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: Parlor?

I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands.
What has Parlor to do with JFW?
Pat Byrne


moderated Re: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW

David Griffith
 

The problem was that if you loaded Windows Mail whilst Jaws was running Mail would close unexpectedly   after the review of just one or two messages in the inbox.

There would be no error message – Mail would simply disappear.

This was only a problem if Jaws was running.  Mail would worked as expected perfectly with either Narrator or NVDA.

For me this problem was not machine  specific  as it was occurring on both my laptop and desktop machines.

However Support had recognised the issue last week and said that they were escalating it to the software team.

Whatever the fix was it has been delivered at lightning speed for once.

David G.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jessica D
Sent: 10 January 2021 22:35
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW

 

Hi,What exact issues were you experiencing between jaws and mail onwindows 10?  I love using the mail app in Windows 10!  ThanksJessica

 

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 3:53 PM, E.M. Kirtley <ekirtley45@...> wrote:



                I sent a report also, and after the update I have had few problems. 

 

 

Ms. E. Kirtley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 3:18 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW

 

 

Bizarrely just a couple of days after sending a Support message to FS Windows Mail seems, touch wood, to have stabilised with Jaws.

I am typing this email in Mail with Jaws, something I have not been able to do for weeks.

I don’t know if it is anything to do with the new January update, though the first few times I checked this out Mail continues to crash with Jaws running anyway. Apparently no longer. .

Alternatively there might have been some unseen update on Windows I suppose.

The only thing I have been doing differently is that I had routinely also had thunderbird open in another window   because of the propensity of Mail to crash with Jaws. However I have just closed thunderbird and Mail is continuing to work with Jaws so it looks like it is not related..

Before I report this apparent improvement I wonder if the other people experiencing problems with Mail have also seen the problem resolved?

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: Parlor?

Cristóbal
 

As I've known people I know get lost down those rabbit holes of conspiracy theories and imagined grievances, I actually have poked around 8chan and before that, 4chan and all these Gab and now Parler Twitter alternatives to try to understand the why and how. These corners of the Internet attract a certain type of unhealthy and delusional discourse. I wouldn't dare join Parler because I’m rooted in reality and not a QAnon or stop the steel crazy, but even that aside, that platform has some wild privacy terms. Might as well kiss your identity and or privacy goodbye.
There's some really vile stuff on those places. To think that they're going to care about making their sites and apps more accessible for a disabled user is laughable and naïve in the extreme. Like come on man. Mass shootings have been inspired and coordinated on these sites. Gab is basically neo Nazi Twitter. Parler's filling up with Q refugees. Like they're going to care about making captcias and buttons accessible. Again, folks attracted to those shadowy corners of the net are doing everyone else a favor by telling on themselves.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parlor?

Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it?

I have a friend on this site and she said there isn't any more of that stuff than on Facebook or any other site. I never even heard of it until this

thread. This is just more of be leave whatever the media or big corporations tell you too. And ow can you know how they will respond to our group? From what I know so farthis is a place to get awy from being subject to selective censorship.

On 1/10/2021 5:42 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I think the original point to this question was in part with
accessibility challenges.
Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are
seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that
platform and the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort
of attention given to any consideration for accessibility is a set up
for disappointment. The crowds who cruise those message forums are
probably not keen on accommodating the disabled contingent You may
want to be part of that club, but that club most likely wants nothing
to do with you... but hey, kudos for trying I guess.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: Parlor?

I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands.
What has Parlor to do with JFW?
Pat Byrne












moderated Re: Parlor?

Randy Barnett
 

Sorry that was supposed to be condemning not condoning...

On 1/10/2021 8:25 PM, Randy Barnett via groups.io wrote:
Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it?

I have a friend on this site and she said there isn't any more of that stuff than on Facebook or any other site. I never even heard of it until this

thread. This is just more of be leave whatever the media or big corporations tell you too. And ow can you know how they will respond to our group? From what I know so farthis is a place to get awy from being subject to selective censorship.

On 1/10/2021 5:42 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
challenges.
Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are
seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that platform and
the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort of attention given
to any consideration for accessibility is a set up for disappointment. The
crowds who cruise those message forums are probably not keen on
accommodating the disabled contingent
You may want to be part of that club, but that club most likely wants
nothing to do with you... but hey, kudos for trying I guess.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: Parlor?

I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands.
What has Parlor to do with JFW?
Pat Byrne














moderated Re: Parlor?

Randy Barnett
 

Have you even been on the site? Have any of you condoning it been on it?

I have a friend on this site and she said there isn't any more of that stuff than on Facebook or any other site. I never even heard of it until this

thread. This is just more of be leave whatever the media or big corporations tell you too. And ow can you know how they will respond to our group? From what I know so farthis is a place to get awy from being subject to selective censorship.

On 1/10/2021 5:42 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
challenges.
Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are
seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that platform and
the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort of attention given
to any consideration for accessibility is a set up for disappointment. The
crowds who cruise those message forums are probably not keen on
accommodating the disabled contingent
You may want to be part of that club, but that club most likely wants
nothing to do with you... but hey, kudos for trying I guess.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: Parlor?

I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands.
What has Parlor to do with JFW?
Pat Byrne











moderated Re: Parlor?

Jim Hunt
 

Hi all, Parler is another social media platform. Perhaps the
discussion about Parler can turn toward the usability/accessibility
(or any lack thereof) of Parler with JAWS. I haven't and probably
won't use Parler though so I don't have any opinions of its use with
JAWS. Just putting in my two or more cents.
Cheers,
Jim

On 1/10/21, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
challenges.
Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are
seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that platform
and
the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort of attention given
to any consideration for accessibility is a set up for disappointment. The
crowds who cruise those message forums are probably not keen on
accommodating the disabled contingent
You may want to be part of that club, but that club most likely wants
nothing to do with you... but hey, kudos for trying I guess.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: Parlor?

I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands.
What has Parlor to do with JFW?
Pat Byrne













moderated Re: Parler

clarence carter
 

When speech invites people to carry out illegal actions is it still free speech?

These platforms are privately held or owned by corporations. For example, a newspaper is not a free speech platform. it is a platform owned by someone, who is responsible for what is said on it.

 

The expression of opinions is a delicate issue. We seem to have become a society who mixes opinion with political agendas.

 

We all know what people say about opinions.

I am sorry to see people getting wrapped up in this issue. 


moderated Re: favorite email client on windows?

Dan Miner
 

I was they big thunderbird user but the accessibility has been slowly eroding and all the annoying bugs on large mail folders, it just drove me away. Searching was a huge hassle as you had to get past that inaccessible "pretty summary" display they moved to some time ago.

So, I'm stuck using Outlook until I find a reasonable alternative.

Dan


moderated Re: JAWS 2021 and Pac Mate Omni BX 400 vis USB

Dan Miner
 

I have indeed finally found a mini USB port on the left side just under the insertions guide.    JAWS is now keeping it as my default but it seems to be failing to load the braille driver.

 

The display itself shows on power-up:

pm display  40  - k70

 

USB device info from device manager.

LibUSB-1.0: FreedomScientific [PAC Mate]

Device type:  libusb (WinUSB) devices

Manufacturer:  libusb 1.0

Device status  multi line  This device is working properly.

 

I found a few mentions that the Focus USB driver would work which is what I have installed as a USB driver at the moment.

 

FocusBlueDriver1.0.2030

 

                Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2021 and Pac Mate Omni BX 400 vis USB

 

Okay, have you looked on the left side of the display for a mini usb port?

 

When you plug the display to the Pacmate what version of the display is shown?

 

These are questions Freedom Scientific Support will ask so you should check these things out.

 

This is just a suggestion to figure out the problem.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 9:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2021 and Pac Mate Omni BX 400 vis USB

 

They are still clipped together.  I’ve been searching the BX manual and didn’t see any option to run the display without the PDA part.  A quick examination of the display only section doesn’t suggest it would support running completely stand-alone as I see no USB type A or mini B port.  The display is working with the PDA part which is running 6.2 of the environment but I haven’t figured out how to update it since I don’t have any way of connecting CF cards to my system to prepare one for an upgrade path.

 

I figured they would flatly deny support since it is so old.  This came from an era of proprietary  USB protocols so I am expecting to need some sort of USB driver.

 

I did manage to find it in the Device Manager in control panel.  It’s listed under Other Devices under its name but doesn’t know much about it and says there is no driver for it.

 

“Device status: The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28)”

 

                Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2021 and Pac Mate Omni BX 400 vis USB

 

Have you separated the display from the note taker? 

My guess is the display is too old to be supported, but you may need to call FS on Monday. 

 

Richard

 

"You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young."

"Why, what did she tell you?"

"I don't know, I didn't listen."

-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

 

On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Milton Ota <mota1252@...> wrote:



Hi,

 

I would check to see what is going on with your USB port in the device manager in Windows 10. Let me know if you need help finding the device manager.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 12:18 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2021 and Pac Mate Omni BX 400 vis USB

 

Someone gave me this braille display and I’ve managed to get it up and running as far as the Windows mobile usage is concerned.  But I really want to be able to do braille display of my desktop PC running Windows 10.  I have it connected via USB but the computer doesn’t seem to acknowledge it from what I can tell.  The device is running off the power from the port and I know the cable works as I use it for my old Book Port Plus.

I’ve tried to tell JAWS that a Pac Mate is there in the braille settings by adding a display but it just never selects it (keeps switching back to no display).    As I’m on Windows 10, ActiveSync install is impossible (stopped support at XP).  And google has failed me so far for any details other that the ActiveSync companion CD had some USB driver bundled with it for the device.  No sign of that driver either.

 

It just seems to be such a waste for a usable braille display that  is still serviceable as a hosted display if the PDA part is not so useful now.

 

Any pointers would be appreciated.

 

                Dan


moderated Re: Parler Fw: [Request received]

Mich Verrier
 

Hi andy and all the below sounds like a standerd e mail reply please let us know when you get a reply that seems to be from a person or even better if these places have a axishuel phone uber where you can talk to a person. I wuld be interested in joining this but would lik to know that the captcha and other accessibillidies are worked out first. From Mich.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: January 10, 2021 3:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Parler Fw: [Request received]

 

This is what i received from Parler Support.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Parler

Cc: Support

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:26 PM

Subject: [Request received]

 

Your request (320687) has been received and is being reviewed by our support staff.

To add additional comments, reply to this email.

This email is a service from Parler. Delivered by Zendesk

[DO3PGD-6MYP]


moderated Re: favorite email client on windows?

Jerry Berrier
 

Me too.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gilbert Pries
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: favorite email client on windows?

Microsoft Outlook for me.

Pastor Gilbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: favorite email client on windows?


On 1/10/21 9:23 AM, Curt Taubert wrote:
I use Thunderbird.
I use Thunderbird under Linux. I can't comment on its accessibility with Windows/JAWS, but it does seem to have a good reputation there also.
Under Windows, it's Microsoft Outlook for me. If I weren't using Microsoft OneDrive and Microsoft Office, as I currently do for work-related reasons, I probably wouldn't use Windows at all.


moderated Re: Parler

Maria Reyes
 

Parler isn't accessible on iOS. you will need sighted help when you get to the captcha and the only buttons in the app that are accessible is the compose button

sent from the iPhone 11 Pro

On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore <billtessore@...> wrote:

Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore
billtessore@...


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Jaws & Discussion Board in Blackboard

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi Mark,

Thanks for your response, and for the links. I’ll read over that material, but it looks a little over my head. I managed to find a solution. The discussion board seems to work well with jaws using Firefox instead of the chrome browser. So that’s what we’ll have to do.

Thanks again,

Russell


On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:54 PM, Mark <mweiler@...> wrote:

Russell, without having access to the specific environment, I can't offer a specific response to your question. What I can offer is a link to the reading material about application regions. It's the application section in the Accessible Rich Internet Application specification.  There is a link in that section on Managing Focus, and I wonder if that might explain the behaviour?   If others have more reliable documentation, it would be appreciated if it can be shared so we can clear these sorts of barriers (I'm puzzling over application mode in the reference manager, Zotero web library).


moderated Re: And what does this have to do with JFW?

David Diamond
 

Respectfully submitted. To what are you referring too? There is no message below yours to indicate what you are objecting too.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: January 10, 2021 5:27 PM
Subject: And what does this have to do with JFW?

Respectfully submitted.
pat Byrne


moderated Re: Parlor?

Cristóbal
 

I think the original point to this question was in part with accessibility
challenges.
Sticking to that particular aspect of the thread and people who are
seriously telling on themselves by doing googllily eyes at that platform and
the strain of thought pervasive on it, hopes of any sort of attention given
to any consideration for accessibility is a set up for disappointment. The
crowds who cruise those message forums are probably not keen on
accommodating the disabled contingent
You may want to be part of that club, but that club most likely wants
nothing to do with you... but hey, kudos for trying I guess.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pat Byrne
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 5:31 PM
To: Recipient list suppressed:
Subject: Parlor?

I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands.
What has Parlor to do with JFW?
Pat Byrne


moderated Parlor?

Pat Byrne
 

I didn't phrase my last post correctly, however my thought stands.
What has Parlor to do with JFW?
Pat Byrne


moderated And what does this have to do with JFW?

Pat Byrne
 

Respectfully submitted.
pat Byrne

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