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moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 

In the beginning, these platforms were supposedly like the phone company. Basically just vehicles for self expression, but now indeed they are just as much publishers as newspapers, magazines, and radio and TV networks and stations.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "James English" <james13english@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Parler


Hello,

The thing that really gets to me is that section 230 of the
communications decency act protects these companies from things like
defamation lawsuits caused by things that their users put on the
platform as these platforms are not publishers, however when it comes
to the political wars they decide to fight they are perfectly able to
act like publishers. Authority without responsibility is not a healthy
mix.

- James

On 1/10/21, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:
The president has been banned from Twitter YouTube Facebook. What kind of
world we live in win the presidential office can be banned from speaking on
public forums.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:


Funny. Devin Nunes was carrying on about this great injustice of silencing
on … a popular national conservative talk show this morning.
Somehow, these decries of digital gulags and unfair muzzling of ideas sound
kind of specious. As if Trump and any of his toadies would be denied airtime
or a microphone if they wanted to give a press conference right now. The
president’s got an entire room in the White House for this very purpose.
Also, given the bent of folks who hang out on 8chan, Gab and Parler… don’t
be surprised or hurt if screen reader accessibility isn’t exactly on their
things to do or even care about.
Cristóbal

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

A private monopoly. Amounts to the same thing, unless you have the
resources to develop your own app store, web servers, etc.
Companies like Facebook and Twitter have developed a monopoly in social
media, buying up or snuffing out competition. There are two smart phone
platforms run by two companies, and they have colluded along with Amazon Web
Services to stifle free speech. it started with flagging certain tweets and
posts, then it went to deleting certain tweets and posts, then it went to
closing accounts of people whose speech they didn't like, and now to
shutting down entire platforms.
The government doesn't have to get involved, someone else is already doing
their dirty work for them,and they can alway say that what is happening
isn't a violation of the 1st amendment. Technically, that is correct, but
what is happening amounts to the same thing.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn / Lenny
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

Andy and All,
Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a
private business doing this.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than
any speech. The founders thought that free speech was so important that
they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may
disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say
it". i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's
"1984".

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Hope Williamson
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't
support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than
ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an
audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their
infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store.
being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler
platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup
accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page
and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then
I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and
company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they
can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com



On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@socal.rr.com> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1
download in the app store.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it
embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire,
you’ll need to look elsewhere.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe
I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that
said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you
need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA
Andy
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Tessore
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: MeWe
All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant
sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with
the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard
to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a
search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely
sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far
left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hello all,
I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you
know about it? Any users? Opinions?
Thanks.
Marilyn






moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


What's interesting is that conservative posts to Youtube discussing the 2020 elections have been taken down and banned, but videos about calls made by Trump to state election officials are still being posted, and of course, they can't be responded to.
One thing I have always wondered is who exactly is always recording these calls and leaking them to the Internet?
Andy
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:21 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
What kind of world we live in win the presidential office can be banned from speaking on public forums.
-
One in which the sitting President of the United States of America is a demagogue who incites riot.

Too little, and way too late.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


In a way, it's our fault, letting these big tech companies quietly intrude into our lives, creating a kind of addiction. How many of us actually read the terms of service agreements before we click that agree button?  I must admit that I am guilty of that myself.  I know folks who are so addicted to Facebook and Twitter that they take their phones to bed with them at night because they don't want to miss that post or tweet that may drop at 4 AM.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

he wasn't rejected. he already signed a contract. the book was scheduled for release in June but after he made some comments supporting conservative views they labeled him as seditious and irresponsible and inciting violence and drop his book that's their own statement as to why they dropped them. and sure you can start your own platform it may be scene by 100 other people. And these big platforms like Facebook Twitter they change mines they effect ourculture. And if you're excluded from that platform you're silenced and that's the end of that. it is sad that people get so angry that they put the worst possible spend on whatever the people they hate say. even to the point of being irrational.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:07 PM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



It does matter though – just because corporations are “big”, it doesn’t make them so different from the “little guys” online in the 80s and 90s, who would sometimes ban people just because they didn’t like them or they screwed up someothing once. It happened to me plenty of times. The great thing about the internet is that you don’t have to rely on a platoform like that – and if nobody wants to host your views on their platform, you can just create a new one, or pay someone to do it for you. Publishers reject work from famous people all the time – of course said people are likely to blame the people rejecting their work, and not themselves or the work they do. Getting rejected hurts. These online platforms have never stated they were open to any and all content.

As someone who has uh, occasionally engaged in somewhat sketchy things on the internet, I would like it if people adopted a more old-school attitude toward internet usage and been more willing to adopt different sorts of platforms. We don’t necessarily have to rely on these big corporations and their platforms. We just think about them all the time because they appear ubiquitous. But that won’t be forever. While some of these corporate rules sure are crap, a nice thing about living in the 21st century is that we are in a time when nearly everything really is available somewhere. We just have to detach ourselves from these big monopolies.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: January 10, 2021 04:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

it doesn't matter if it's a government or a couple of huge corporations. if they're able to stop you from getting your ideas out to people it is stopping free speech. Senator Holly's book was dropped by the publisher because he said the wrong things according to those in charge. when the only way to get ideas out in this modern world is via publishers Facebook YouTube Twitter and apparently Amazon those who control the servers. Then they are able to stifle free speech. It doesn't have to be a government to stifle free speech and free speech should be protected even from corporations.I'm platforms like YouTube Twitter One platforms like YouTube Twitter Facebook start deciding what can be and not be published on their pages they are a publisher and the rules for publishers are totally different from the rules for web platforms. They have to abide by those rules. As corporations now pretty much control all speech in this country.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Andy and All,

Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".

Andy

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:

Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:



What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.

Andy

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

James English
 

@Brian:

I have absolutely no issue with people (president or not) expressing
themselves how they wish. It was mentioned before that the supreme
court said it was perfectly acceptable to ban the shouting of fire in
a crowded building when there was no fire: this was a bad judgement in
my opinion. The consequences of speech must be separated out entirely
from the speech itself, otherwise we risk creating the sort of society
in which people are aggressively self-censoring in case somebody hears
what they say and takes it in an unintended way.

On 1/10/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:34 PM, James English wrote:


Authority without responsibility is not a healthy mix.
-
Amen to that!

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

*One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the
shore for a very long time.*

~ André Gide






moderated Re: Parler

 

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:34 PM, James English wrote:
Authority without responsibility is not a healthy mix.
-
Amen to that!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Parler

James English
 

Hello,

The thing that really gets to me is that section 230 of the
communications decency act protects these companies from things like
defamation lawsuits caused by things that their users put on the
platform as these platforms are not publishers, however when it comes
to the political wars they decide to fight they are perfectly able to
act like publishers. Authority without responsibility is not a healthy
mix.

- James

On 1/10/21, Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@gmail.com> wrote:
The president has been banned from Twitter YouTube Facebook. What kind of
world we live in win the presidential office can be banned from speaking on
public forums.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@gmail.com> wrote:


Funny. Devin Nunes was carrying on about this great injustice of silencing
on … a popular national conservative talk show this morning.
Somehow, these decries of digital gulags and unfair muzzling of ideas sound
kind of specious. As if Trump and any of his toadies would be denied airtime
or a microphone if they wanted to give a press conference right now. The
president’s got an entire room in the White House for this very purpose.
Also, given the bent of folks who hang out on 8chan, Gab and Parler… don’t
be surprised or hurt if screen reader accessibility isn’t exactly on their
things to do or even care about.
Cristóbal

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

A private monopoly. Amounts to the same thing, unless you have the
resources to develop your own app store, web servers, etc.
Companies like Facebook and Twitter have developed a monopoly in social
media, buying up or snuffing out competition. There are two smart phone
platforms run by two companies, and they have colluded along with Amazon Web
Services to stifle free speech. it started with flagging certain tweets and
posts, then it went to deleting certain tweets and posts, then it went to
closing accounts of people whose speech they didn't like, and now to
shutting down entire platforms.
The government doesn't have to get involved, someone else is already doing
their dirty work for them,and they can alway say that what is happening
isn't a violation of the 1st amendment. Technically, that is correct, but
what is happening amounts to the same thing.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Glenn / Lenny
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

Andy and All,
Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a
private business doing this.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than
any speech. The founders thought that free speech was so important that
they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may
disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say
it". i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's
"1984".

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Hope Williamson
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't
support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than
ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an
audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their
infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store.
being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler
platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup
accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page
and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then
I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and
company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they
can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com



On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@socal.rr.com> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1
download in the app store.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Spratt
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it
embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire,
you’ll need to look elsewhere.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe
I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that
said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you
need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA
Andy
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Tessore
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: MeWe
All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant
sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with
the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard
to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a
search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely
sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far
left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@hotmail.com> wrote:


Hello all,
I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you
know about it? Any users? Opinions?
Thanks.
Marilyn






moderated Re: Parler

 

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 06:21 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
What kind of world we live in win the presidential office can be banned from speaking on public forums.
-
One in which the sitting President of the United States of America is a demagogue who incites riot.

Too little, and way too late.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett
 

The president has been banned from Twitter YouTube Facebook. What kind of world we live in win the presidential office can be banned from speaking on public forums.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:



Funny. Devin Nunes was carrying on about this great injustice of silencing on … a popular national conservative talk show this morning.

Somehow, these decries of digital gulags and unfair muzzling of ideas sound kind of specious. As if Trump and any of his toadies would be denied airtime or a microphone if they wanted to give a press conference right now. The president’s got an entire room in the White House for this very purpose.

Also, given the bent of folks who hang out on 8chan, Gab and Parler… don’t be surprised or hurt if screen reader accessibility isn’t exactly on their things to do or even care about.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

A private monopoly.  Amounts to the same thing, unless you have the resources to develop your own app store, web servers, etc.

Companies like Facebook and Twitter have developed a monopoly in social media, buying up or snuffing out competition. There are two smart phone platforms run by two companies, and they have colluded along with Amazon Web Services to stifle free speech.  it started with flagging certain tweets and posts, then it went to deleting certain tweets and posts, then it went to closing accounts of people whose speech they didn't like, and now to shutting down entire platforms.

The government doesn't have to get involved, someone else is already doing their dirty work for them,and they can alway say that what is happening isn't a violation of the 1st amendment.  Technically, that is correct, but what is happening amounts to the same thing.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

Andy and All,

Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:

Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

 

Shalom,

 

 

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:



What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett
 

he wasn't rejected. he already signed a contract. the book was scheduled for release in June but after he made some comments supporting conservative views they labeled him as seditious and irresponsible and inciting violence and drop his book that's their own statement as to why they dropped them. and sure you can start your own platform it may be scene by 100 other people. And these big platforms like Facebook Twitter they change mines they effect ourculture. And if you're excluded from that platform you're silenced and that's the end of that. it is sad that people get so angry that they put the worst possible spend on whatever the people they hate say. even to the point of being irrational.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:07 PM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



It does matter though – just because corporations are “big”, it doesn’t make them so different from the “little guys” online in the 80s and 90s, who would sometimes ban people just because they didn’t like them or they screwed up someothing once. It happened to me plenty of times. The great thing about the internet is that you don’t have to rely on a platoform like that – and if nobody wants to host your views on their platform, you can just create a new one, or pay someone to do it for you. Publishers reject work from famous people all the time – of course said people are likely to blame the people rejecting their work, and not themselves or the work they do. Getting rejected hurts. These online platforms have never stated they were open to any and all content.

 

As someone who has uh, occasionally engaged in somewhat sketchy things on the internet, I would like it if people adopted a more old-school attitude toward internet usage and been more willing to adopt different sorts of platforms. We don’t necessarily have to rely on these big corporations and their platforms. We just think about them all the time because they appear ubiquitous. But that won’t be forever. While some of these corporate rules sure are crap, a nice thing about living in the 21st century is that we are in a time when nearly everything really is available somewhere. We just have to detach ourselves from these big monopolies.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: January 10, 2021 04:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

it doesn't matter if it's a government or a couple of huge corporations. if they're able to stop you from getting your ideas out to people it is stopping free speech. Senator Holly's book was dropped by the publisher because he said the wrong things according to those in charge. when the only way to get ideas out in this modern world is via publishers Facebook YouTube Twitter and apparently Amazon those who control the servers. Then they are able to stifle free speech. It doesn't have to be a government to stifle free speech and free speech should be protected even from corporations.I'm platforms like YouTube Twitter One platforms like YouTube Twitter Facebook start deciding what can be and not be published on their pages they are a publisher and the rules for publishers are totally different from the rules for web platforms. They have to abide by those rules. As corporations now pretty much control all speech in this country.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Andy and All,

Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:

Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

 

Shalom,

 

 

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:



What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

 

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 04:59 PM, Cristóbal wrote:
Somehow, these decries of digital gulags and unfair muzzling of ideas sound kind of specious.
-
It's more than "kind of" specious.   I wrote the following several years ago, when a cycle of inanity about censorship by one platform or another was going on and there were the usual stupid (and they are stupid to anyone who knows history and the law) cries of "freedom of speech!" 

Suppression of expression by the government is censorship.

Suppression of expression by a publisher or broadcaster over what it disseminates is editorial oversight.

Suppression of expression of the wrong thing by oneself is discretion, restraint, and good manners.

Suppression of expression of children by their parents is necessary socialization and good parenting.

          ~ Brian Vogel


The Constitution is a document that defines the relationship between the government and the people, and the powers it can and cannot exercise.  It is, intentionally, silent about what any private individual or entity may or may not choose to do with regard to expression or prohibiting/suppressing same.  And anyone who doesn't see Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc., as a publisher that can and should have absolute control over what they will, or will not, permit for dissemination by their platforms is engaging in willful ignorance.  Those venues are not any given member's personal soapbox.

Let's not even get into the cries that speech having unwanted consequences because others put their feet down being an infringement on freedom of speech.  Freedom of speech has not, and never will, mean freedom from the logical (or, sometimes, illogical but predictable) consequences of having said something.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,What exact issues were you experiencing between jaws and mail onwindows 10?  I love using the mail app in Windows 10!  ThanksJessica
 


On Jan 9, 2021, at 3:53 PM, E.M. Kirtley <ekirtley45@...> wrote:



                I sent a report also, and after the update I have had few problems. 

 

 

Ms. E. Kirtley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 3:18 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Is Windows Mail now working with JFW

 

 

Bizarrely just a couple of days after sending a Support message to FS Windows Mail seems, touch wood, to have stabilised with Jaws.

I am typing this email in Mail with Jaws, something I have not been able to do for weeks.

I don’t know if it is anything to do with the new January update, though the first few times I checked this out Mail continues to crash with Jaws running anyway. Apparently no longer. .

Alternatively there might have been some unseen update on Windows I suppose.

The only thing I have been doing differently is that I had routinely also had thunderbird open in another window   because of the propensity of Mail to crash with Jaws. However I have just closed thunderbird and Mail is continuing to work with Jaws so it looks like it is not related..

Before I report this apparent improvement I wonder if the other people experiencing problems with Mail have also seen the problem resolved?

David G.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: Parler

JM Casey
 

It does matter though – just because corporations are “big”, it doesn’t make them so different from the “little guys” online in the 80s and 90s, who would sometimes ban people just because they didn’t like them or they screwed up someothing once. It happened to me plenty of times. The great thing about the internet is that you don’t have to rely on a platoform like that – and if nobody wants to host your views on their platform, you can just create a new one, or pay someone to do it for you. Publishers reject work from famous people all the time – of course said people are likely to blame the people rejecting their work, and not themselves or the work they do. Getting rejected hurts. These online platforms have never stated they were open to any and all content.

 

As someone who has uh, occasionally engaged in somewhat sketchy things on the internet, I would like it if people adopted a more old-school attitude toward internet usage and been more willing to adopt different sorts of platforms. We don’t necessarily have to rely on these big corporations and their platforms. We just think about them all the time because they appear ubiquitous. But that won’t be forever. While some of these corporate rules sure are crap, a nice thing about living in the 21st century is that we are in a time when nearly everything really is available somewhere. We just have to detach ourselves from these big monopolies.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: January 10, 2021 04:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

it doesn't matter if it's a government or a couple of huge corporations. if they're able to stop you from getting your ideas out to people it is stopping free speech. Senator Holly's book was dropped by the publisher because he said the wrong things according to those in charge. when the only way to get ideas out in this modern world is via publishers Facebook YouTube Twitter and apparently Amazon those who control the servers. Then they are able to stifle free speech. It doesn't have to be a government to stifle free speech and free speech should be protected even from corporations.I'm platforms like YouTube Twitter One platforms like YouTube Twitter Facebook start deciding what can be and not be published on their pages they are a publisher and the rules for publishers are totally different from the rules for web platforms. They have to abide by those rules. As corporations now pretty much control all speech in this country.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:



Andy and All,

Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:

Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

 

Shalom,

 

 

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:



What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Cristóbal
 

Funny. Devin Nunes was carrying on about this great injustice of silencing on … a popular national conservative talk show this morning.

Somehow, these decries of digital gulags and unfair muzzling of ideas sound kind of specious. As if Trump and any of his toadies would be denied airtime or a microphone if they wanted to give a press conference right now. The president’s got an entire room in the White House for this very purpose.

Also, given the bent of folks who hang out on 8chan, Gab and Parler… don’t be surprised or hurt if screen reader accessibility isn’t exactly on their things to do or even care about.

Cristóbal

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

A private monopoly.  Amounts to the same thing, unless you have the resources to develop your own app store, web servers, etc.

Companies like Facebook and Twitter have developed a monopoly in social media, buying up or snuffing out competition. There are two smart phone platforms run by two companies, and they have colluded along with Amazon Web Services to stifle free speech.  it started with flagging certain tweets and posts, then it went to deleting certain tweets and posts, then it went to closing accounts of people whose speech they didn't like, and now to shutting down entire platforms.

The government doesn't have to get involved, someone else is already doing their dirty work for them,and they can alway say that what is happening isn't a violation of the 1st amendment.  Technically, that is correct, but what is happening amounts to the same thing.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:41 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

Andy and All,

Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:

Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

 

Shalom,

 

 

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:



What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  I hear you, but the problem is some groups can yell “fire” and nobody moves and other groups yell “fire” and shut down occurs.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Dan Longmore
 

I agree with you.  A dangerous slide begins when we start turning off debate.  Just think how many different opinions there are about JAWS on this list.  Hey, I might have to ban myself as some days I just can’t tolerate JAWS.  😊

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett
 

yes the problem is the stuff that's being censored and said to be this type of speech isn't always so it's a it's just a way to censor opinions. and you and I aren't the ones to get to decide what is free-speech and what isn't.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated installing JGauge progress monitoring scripts

Mario
 

Message body
I'm wanting to install these scripts, but am concerned that doing so will wipe out or mess up the myextensions script I already have which has a few scripts that I created and a couple from other sources.
do these scripts simply uncompress into a folder, at which I can integrate them mhyself into the myextensions script, or what do they exactly do. anyone know?


I'm wanting to install these scripts, but am concerned that doing so will wipe out or mess up the myextensions script I already have which has a few scripts that I created and a couple from other sources.
do these scripts simply uncompress into a folder, at which I can integrate them mhyself into the myextensions script, or what do they exactly do. anyone know?


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett
 

I see a political discussion I don't see any rants. Yes you're right this isn't the form for it but please at least use the correct terminology and not the media inspired crap.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Don Walls <donwalls@...> wrote:


Enough already!  This list is to deal with questions about JAWS, not political or other rants.
 
Don
 
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler
 
so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

billtessore@...

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Adrian Spratt
 

And like you, Don, I can’t believe this thread has been spooling out for so long.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Walls
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

I couldn’t have said it better, Adrian.  Thanks!

 

Don

 

From: Adrian Spratt

Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: Parler

 

The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

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----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: MeWe

Randy Barnett
 



Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:26 PM, Bill Tessore <billtessore@...> wrote:

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler and of course the first thing that happens is it gets labeled violent hate side and gets pulled! you're not gonna have free speech in this country it's already getting to wear certain part of the population is not allowed to have an opinion. no matter what you think of the president the fact that companies can ban the presidential office from having their voice heard it is crazy!.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore
billtessore@...


On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

 

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

 

Thanks.

 

Marilyn

 

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