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moderated Re: Parler

Don Walls
 

I couldn’t have said it better, Adrian.  Thanks!
 
Don
 

From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler
 

The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

billtessore@...

 




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


I feel that the long term effects of stifling free speech are much more dangerous than speech itself. Also, any such restrictions should be even handed.  There are many people and entities that post content that contains violence, including the leaders of iran, China, and influencers in Iraq, Syria, etc. and their posts are not being sensored, and their accounts are not being deleted.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Adrian Spratt
 

The Supreme Court has pointed out that yelling “fire” in a crowded theater isn’t protected free speech. Incitement plus violence equates to doing just that and worse. The Founders had no difficulty in endorsing laws against sedition, treason and other dangerous activity. With freedom comes responsibility.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler

 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett


On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: favorite email client on windows?

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:21 AM, Pastor Gilbert Pries <gilp@embarqmail.com> wrote:

Microsoft Outlook for me.

Pastor Gilbert

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups. thunderbird for me also. And mines not slow at all and Microsoft has some of the most invasive privacy issues out there maybe shy and Google. Or Facebook. io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: favorite email client on windows?


On 1/10/21 9:23 AM, Curt Taubert wrote:
I use Thunderbird.
I use Thunderbird under Linux. I can't comment on its accessibility with Windows/JAWS, but it does seem to have a good reputation there also.
Under Windows, it's Microsoft Outlook for me. If I weren't using Microsoft OneDrive and Microsoft Office, as I currently do for work-related reasons, I probably wouldn't use Windows at all.


moderated Re: Parler

Don Walls
 

Enough already!  This list is to deal with questions about JAWS, not political or other rants.
 
Don
 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Parler
 
so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

billtessore@...

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

so you're OK with someone banning anything you have to say if they don't agree with it? I myself may hate something someone says but they have the right to say it.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:53 PM, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:



As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

it doesn't matter if it's a government or a couple of huge corporations. if they're able to stop you from getting your ideas out to people it is stopping free speech. Senator Holly's book was dropped by the publisher because he said the wrong things according to those in charge. when the only way to get ideas out in this modern world is via publishers Facebook YouTube Twitter and apparently Amazon those who control the servers. Then they are able to stifle free speech. It doesn't have to be a government to stifle free speech and free speech should be protected even from corporations.I'm platforms like YouTube Twitter One platforms like YouTube Twitter Facebook start deciding what can be and not be published on their pages they are a publisher and the rules for publishers are totally different from the rules for web platforms. They have to abide by those rules. As corporations now pretty much control all speech in this country.

Randy Barnett

On Jan 10, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


Andy and All,
Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


A private monopoly.  Amounts to the same thing, unless you have the resources to develop your own app store, web servers, etc.
Companies like Facebook and Twitter have developed a monopoly in social media, buying up or snuffing out competition. There are two smart phone platforms run by two companies, and they have colluded along with Amazon Web Services to stifle free speech.  it started with flagging certain tweets and posts, then it went to deleting certain tweets and posts, then it went to closing accounts of people whose speech they didn't like, and now to shutting down entire platforms.
The government doesn't have to get involved, someone else is already doing their dirty work for them,and they can alway say that what is happening isn't a violation of the 1st amendment.  Technically, that is correct, but what is happening amounts to the same thing.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

Andy and All,
Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Glenn / Lenny
 


Andy and All,
Keep in mind that it is not the government stopping anything, it is a private business doing this.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Parler Fw: [Request received]

Andy
 


This is what i received from Parler Support.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Parler
Cc: Support
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:26 PM
Subject: [Request received]

Your request (320687) has been received and is being reviewed by our support staff.

To add additional comments, reply to this email.

This email is a service from Parler. Delivered by Zendesk
[DO3PGD-6MYP]


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


i wrote to their support and expressed my hope that the service would return, and that the developer would strive to make it accessible to all interested users, including those with disabilities.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

Sorry I meant they don't have an audio CAPTCHA.

On 1/10/2021 12:01 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:

Hi, I've never been able to sign up for Parler. If they do have an Audio CAPTCHA, that option has never come up for me, ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


I explored further and found that even though the site comes up, it is not functional. I would imagine that your inquiries to support are not reaching them.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

Well I tried contacting support over this and got no response.

On 1/9/2021 11:14 PM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


The long term consequences of stifling free speech would be a lot worse than any speech.  The founders thought that free speech was so important that they made it the 1st amendment to the Constitution. Voltaire said, "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it".  i would suggest that you either read or reread George Orwell's "1984".
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

I don't want to start a debate on deplatformming, which I definitely don't support, but I think this is why the open web is necessary, now more than ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Parler

Andy
 


Fortunately I saw that review on their app store page which saved me the frustration so I didn't download the app.
 
If it comes back, I will contact the developer about access issues.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Parler

Hi, I've never been able to sign up for Parler. If they do have an Audio CAPTCHA, that option has never come up for me, ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: MeWe

Andy
 

Supposedly Amazon Web Services was going to take down the site, but i just checked it, and the web site still works.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@ccs.covici.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: MeWe


That is just the app, you can still use your browser, unless they take
down the hosting provider.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 02:32:16 -0500,
Andy wrote:

Well, it's academic now, as Apple withdrew it from the app store.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Covici"
<covici@ccs.covici.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: MeWe


I used aira to solve the captcha and also complained to support -- see
what happens.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 00:44:28 -0500,
Andy wrote:

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I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app
store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because
in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy
.
----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tessore
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: MeWe


All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the
increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against
users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of
those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to
political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also
there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search
results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how
sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like
Google. com does. Shalom.


Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hello all,



I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to
join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?



Thanks.



Marilyn









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Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com









--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com


moderated Re: Jaws & Discussion Board in Blackboard

Mark
 

Russell, without having access to the specific environment, I can't offer a specific response to your question. What I can offer is a link to the reading material about application regions. It's the application section in the Accessible Rich Internet Application specification.  There is a link in that section on Managing Focus, and I wonder if that might explain the behaviour?   If others have more reliable documentation, it would be appreciated if it can be shared so we can clear these sorts of barriers (I'm puzzling over application mode in the reference manager, Zotero web library).


moderated Re: MeWe

Andy
 

I just went there, and it appears to be functional at this time.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Tessore" <billtessore@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: MeWe


Andy, have you tried entering http://www.parler.com into your search engine to try logging on from the main page? if you want to use it, then I suggest doing that first before giving up.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com
On Jan 9, 2021, at 11:32 PM, Andy <wq6r@socal.rr.com> wrote:

Well, it's academic now, as Apple withdrew it from the app store.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Covici" <covici@ccs.covici.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: MeWe


I used aira to solve the captcha and also complained to support -- see
what happens.

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 00:44:28 -0500,
Andy wrote:

[1 <text/plain; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

Andy
.
----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Tessore
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: MeWe


All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.


Bill Tessore
billtessore@gmail.com




On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hello all,



I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?



Thanks.



Marilyn









[2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@ccs.covici.com










moderated Re: Jaws & Discussion Board in Blackboard

Don Walls
 

Wouldn’t this be an appropriate case to put forward in terms of acces for all users including the visually impaired? In Canada, couldn't federal or provincial agencies be approached and in the States federal or state officials?

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: HH. Smith Jr.
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws & Discussion Board in Blackboard

Hi,

I am suffering from the same issue at Capella. In a conference call with a Blackboard tech and disabilities services at the school the issue was reproduced. The problems stems from an update to the Blackboard platform in the summer of 2020. It is an issue with application layer. JAWS being a screen reader only reads text and has had an issue with application layer from the beginning of time. Blackboard, in an effort to save processing time and other network resource task reducing techniques, have placed their apps on different concurrently running layers not to be confused with levels, laying on top of each other. With JAWS being a screen reader, it cannot dig down to the appropriate layer to read or interact with the layer you want to work with properly, but yet, it will read the entire screen in totality after you interact with it good or bad. The problem is known to Blackboard, but, as screen reader users, our voice is very small in this arena; therefore, the fix/change is not forthcoming any time soon. they're also very stubborn and in denial of the issue. The problem is not them, it is us? according to them. Go figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:19 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Discussion Board in Blackboard

Hi Everyone,

I'm working with a student who is using Jaws 2021 and is enrolled in an English course. The course is being delivered mostly online in Blackboard, version 9.1, I believe.

The issue we are having is with the Discussion Board. The students must post an introduction in the Discussion Board, and read and respond to at least 2 other student introductions.

When the student clicks on "Create Thread" to start his introduction, Jaws goes into "Application Mode. In this mode, the student can type in the Subject line, but there seems to be no way to get to the editor where the student must type in his introduction. Well, he can get to it by tabbing twice, but once there, he is not able to type anything in this editor, and there is no indication that he has entered the editor. Jaws reads "Thread: Self introduction. – ENGL-102-AS07(1) -
2021 Win..." when tabbing twice from the subject field. We can confirm that no text is being entered when typing by getting out of Applications Mode and narrowing down to where the Word count is shown, and it shows 0 words. The student is able to type his introduction in Word, copy all the text, and then paste it into the editor, but can not then read what he has pasted. We know the text has been pasted by the Word count, and once he submits his post, we are able to open it and read it with Jaws.
The same thing happens when trying to respond to another student's introduction. He is able to read the introduction, press enter on "Reply" but cannot type or even know when or if he is in the Editor.
He is able to type the response in Word, and copy and paste it into the Editor, but it seems like sometimes pressing tab twice from the subject field takes him into the editor, and sometimes he must tab 3 times, and since there is no indication that he is in the Editor, it is really hit and miss and quite frustrating.

Are there settings in Blackboard that can be changed to allow Jaws to work with the Editor in the Discussions area? Are there any Jaws settings that can be changed to make this work?

I also experience this same issue on my PC, so it's not specific to the student's computer. The problem also exists with NVDA. We are both running Windows 10 and Jaws 2021.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Russell


moderated Re: Parler

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Sorry I meant they don't have an audio CAPTCHA.

On 1/10/2021 12:01 PM, Hope Williamson wrote:

Hi, I've never been able to sign up for Parler. If they do have an Audio CAPTCHA, that option has never come up for me, ever.

On 1/10/2021 6:22 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Bill. Parler is also been axed from the Google play store. They have an audio CAPTCHA. On the web it will be offline for a week cause in their infinite greatness Amazon pulled their survers they were using.

On 1/10/2021 2:14 AM, Bill Tessore wrote:
Actually, only the Parler app has been removed from the Apple App Store. being an independent company, Apple has no power to eliminate the Parler platform. One can still go to Parler.com and login there. As for signup accessibility, I’ve not tried that yet as I’ve been studying its About page and Policies statement. So I’ll hav to look into it. If it is an issue, then I’ll try pointing it out for resolution. It’s my impression the owner and company still value ALL their users enough to meet everyone’s needs they can.

Shalom,



Bill Tessore


On Jan 9, 2021, at 10:46 PM, Andy <wq6r@...> wrote:


What is interesting is that before that happened Parler was the number 1 download in the app store.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Parler

As of Saturday, Apple suspended Parler (correct spelling) because it embraces threats of violence and illegality. If those are things you admire, you’ll need to look elsewhere.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 12:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: MeWe

 

I was ready to download Parlar until i saw a review on the app store that said that it is inaccessible for blind users because in order to join you need to solve an inaccessible CAPTCHA

 

Andy

.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill Tessore

Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: MeWe

 

All I know is it’s a social media site inspired by the increasingly blatant sensorial actions of Big Tech against users with opinions that contrast with the alt-left views of those companies’ positions, particularly with regard to political matters. Others are Parler.com and Gab.com. Also there’s a search engine that does NOT artificially search results based on how closely sites/companies adhere to, or how sharply others diverge from similarly far left ideals, like Google. com does. Shalom.

Bill Tessore

 



On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:14 PM, marilyn <tinkerbelltx@...> wrote:



Hello all,

I’ve never even heard of this app before I was asked to join it. What do you know about it? Any users? Opinions?

Thanks.

Marilyn


moderated Re: Jaws & Discussion Board in Blackboard

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi,

I am suffering from the same issue at Capella. In a conference call with a Blackboard tech and disabilities services at the school the issue was reproduced. The problems stems from an update to the Blackboard platform in the summer of 2020. It is an issue with application layer. JAWS being a screen reader only reads text and has had an issue with application layer from the beginning of time. Blackboard, in an effort to save processing time and other network resource task reducing techniques, have placed their apps on different concurrently running layers not to be confused with levels, laying on top of each other. With JAWS being a screen reader, it cannot dig down to the appropriate layer to read or interact with the layer you want to work with properly, but yet, it will read the entire screen in totality after you interact with it good or bad. The problem is known to Blackboard, but, as screen reader users, our voice is very small in this arena; therefore, the fix/change is not forthcoming any time soon. they're also very stubborn and in denial of the issue. The problem is not them, it is us? according to them. Go figure?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:19 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws & Discussion Board in Blackboard

Hi Everyone,

I'm working with a student who is using Jaws 2021 and is enrolled in an English course. The course is being delivered mostly online in Blackboard, version 9.1, I believe.

The issue we are having is with the Discussion Board. The students must post an introduction in the Discussion Board, and read and respond to at least 2 other student introductions.

When the student clicks on "Create Thread" to start his introduction, Jaws goes into "Application Mode. In this mode, the student can type in the Subject line, but there seems to be no way to get to the editor where the student must type in his introduction. Well, he can get to it by tabbing twice, but once there, he is not able to type anything in this editor, and there is no indication that he has entered the editor. Jaws reads "Thread: Self introduction. – ENGL-102-AS07(1) -
2021 Win..." when tabbing twice from the subject field. We can confirm that no text is being entered when typing by getting out of Applications Mode and narrowing down to where the Word count is shown, and it shows 0 words. The student is able to type his introduction in Word, copy all the text, and then paste it into the editor, but can not then read what he has pasted. We know the text has been pasted by the Word count, and once he submits his post, we are able to open it and read it with Jaws.
The same thing happens when trying to respond to another student's introduction. He is able to read the introduction, press enter on "Reply" but cannot type or even know when or if he is in the Editor.
He is able to type the response in Word, and copy and paste it into the Editor, but it seems like sometimes pressing tab twice from the subject field takes him into the editor, and sometimes he must tab 3 times, and since there is no indication that he is in the Editor, it is really hit and miss and quite frustrating.

Are there settings in Blackboard that can be changed to allow Jaws to work with the Editor in the Discussions area? Are there any Jaws settings that can be changed to make this work?

I also experience this same issue on my PC, so it's not specific to the student's computer. The problem also exists with NVDA. We are both running Windows 10 and Jaws 2021.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Russell

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