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moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing

Ken Chernack
 

I believe Outlook has that feature too… called the viewing pane, visually using the right side of the screen and I think it is accessible.

 

And if it isn’t, just hit enter on the email and you have the full email in front of you; hit .esc) to close and then ‘delete key’ to delete.

 

I also remember that you could put the first sentence or paragraph in the column of emails, but that makes for a very long email column/index.

 

HTH, Ken

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows mail keeps closing

 

Thunderbird is sporadically buggy with me but  the main reason I  will still use Windows Mail is the  absolutely fantastic preview facility where simply cursoring down the inbox of messages will cause enough of the email to be read out to in most cases not need it to be opened. In the vast majority of cases I just hit the delete key after hearing the first part of the message.

This ability to review messages without having to open them individually is a massive time saver if you get lots of email traffic from lists etc.

I have tried cudgelling settings in both Outlook and Thunderbird  but I  have never managed to set up similar automatic reading of messages as is so usefully available in Windows Mail. Setting up the preview pane in Outlook simply makes it grind to a halt and you have to tab into the preview pane anyway so you might as well open the message.

 

The only other Mail client where I can get this efficiency with a screenreader  is Apple Mail on a Mac using Voiceover, though I would be intensely interested if other  options are known to people on Windows.

 

David Griffith

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: 25 December 2020 17:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows mail keeps closing

 

Why don’t you guys try Thunderbird? That’s pretty reliable and pretty accessible. I’ve been using it for years.

Randy Barnett


On Dec 25, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Melissa Stott <mstott789@...> wrote:



I seem to be having this problem also, especially when I try to go to the folders.  It seems to crash, and I have to close out and reopen it.  Very frustrating!

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Marvin Kotler
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing

 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Kindle Reader for PC

Robbie Curtis
 

Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays,


I recently downloaded the Kindle Reader for PC and it keeps crashing. Has any of you had this problem and if so how did you fix it? I am using Windows 10 and JAWS 2020.


All help is greatly appreciated.


moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi Marvin,

 

I’m also using Windows 10 and JAWS 2021 latest version. I haven’t had a lot of trouble with the program closing—but it does happen on occasion. I wonder if it’s because I key too fast. Not sure if that’s it, but I’m more conscious of it now. If it doesn’t happen for you with NVDA, then I have to think it must be JAWS. Here’s what I have noticed: sometimes mail closes, but usually it is only JAWS. Often, when everything gets silent, I simply press the hot key for JAWS and it’s back and speaking the mail.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Marvin Kotler
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing

 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing

Melissa Stott <mstott789@...>
 

I have to agree.  Not a huge fan of Thunderbird either, but that’s just my opinion.

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows mail keeps closing

 

Thunderbird is sporadically buggy with me but  the main reason I  will still use Windows Mail is the  absolutely fantastic preview facility where simply cursoring down the inbox of messages will cause enough of the email to be read out to in most cases not need it to be opened. In the vast majority of cases I just hit the delete key after hearing the first part of the message.

This ability to review messages without having to open them individually is a massive time saver if you get lots of email traffic from lists etc.

I have tried cudgelling settings in both Outlook and Thunderbird  but I  have never managed to set up similar automatic reading of messages as is so usefully available in Windows Mail. Setting up the preview pane in Outlook simply makes it grind to a halt and you have to tab into the preview pane anyway so you might as well open the message.

 

The only other Mail client where I can get this efficiency with a screenreader  is Apple Mail on a Mac using Voiceover, though I would be intensely interested if other  options are known to people on Windows.

 

David Griffith

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: 25 December 2020 17:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows mail keeps closing

 

Why don’t you guys try Thunderbird? That’s pretty reliable and pretty accessible. I’ve been using it for years.

Randy Barnett


On Dec 25, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Melissa Stott <mstott789@...> wrote:



I seem to be having this problem also, especially when I try to go to the folders.  It seems to crash, and I have to close out and reopen it.  Very frustrating!

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Marvin Kotler
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing

 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing

David Griffith
 

Thunderbird is sporadically buggy with me but  the main reason I  will still use Windows Mail is the  absolutely fantastic preview facility where simply cursoring down the inbox of messages will cause enough of the email to be read out to in most cases not need it to be opened. In the vast majority of cases I just hit the delete key after hearing the first part of the message.

This ability to review messages without having to open them individually is a massive time saver if you get lots of email traffic from lists etc.

I have tried cudgelling settings in both Outlook and Thunderbird  but I  have never managed to set up similar automatic reading of messages as is so usefully available in Windows Mail. Setting up the preview pane in Outlook simply makes it grind to a halt and you have to tab into the preview pane anyway so you might as well open the message.

 

The only other Mail client where I can get this efficiency with a screenreader  is Apple Mail on a Mac using Voiceover, though I would be intensely interested if other  options are known to people on Windows.

 

David Griffith

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: 25 December 2020 17:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows mail keeps closing

 

Why don’t you guys try Thunderbird? That’s pretty reliable and pretty accessible. I’ve been using it for years.

Randy Barnett


On Dec 25, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Melissa Stott <mstott789@...> wrote:



I seem to be having this problem also, especially when I try to go to the folders.  It seems to crash, and I have to close out and reopen it.  Very frustrating!

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Marvin Kotler
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing

 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing

David Griffith
 

 

Sorry you are having this problem but the application being talked about here is Windows Mail and not Outlook.

David G.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: 25 December 2020 17:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows mail keeps closing

 

I seem to be having this problem also, especially when I try to go to the folders.  It seems to crash, and I have to close out and reopen it.  Very frustrating!

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Marvin Kotler
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing

 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

Why don’t you guys try Thunderbird? That’s pretty reliable and pretty accessible. I’ve been using it for years.

Randy Barnett

On Dec 25, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Melissa Stott <mstott789@...> wrote:



I seem to be having this problem also, especially when I try to go to the folders.  It seems to crash, and I have to close out and reopen it.  Very frustrating!

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Marvin Kotler
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing

 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing

Melissa Stott <mstott789@...>
 

I seem to be having this problem also, especially when I try to go to the folders.  It seems to crash, and I have to close out and reopen it.  Very frustrating!

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Marvin Kotler
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing

 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated Microsoft Edge Stopping It From Starting At Startup

Mike B.
 

Hi Dave,
 
Just a thought.  I don't know how this could happen but, try opening the start menu and looking in the All Programs / Startup Folder, and if Edge is in that folder delete it.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


moderated Re: windows mail keeps closing

David Griffith
 

I have had this problem for months – Mail is no longer usable with Jaws for me and I have to use Windows Mail with either NVDA or Narrator.

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marvin Kotler
Sent: 25 December 2020 11:22
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows mail keeps closing

 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


moderated windows mail keeps closing

Marvin Kotler
 

Good evening listers; first, using jaws 2021 and the latest version of windows.  When trying to read messages in windows mail, the program keeps closing.  Had this problem in  earlier versions of windows.  When I use NVDA  which I do not know how to use very well, there is no problem.  Just wondered if anyone else had this problem and wondered if there is a solution.  Merry Christmas to all.

Marv

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting mailing list

Leo
 

Hi again Jonathan,

I've been reading the FS documentation to download for free from the website, including the FSDN, and I want to study the code samples contained in the Jaws share scripts,  but I haven't found how to access the code. For instance, I want to have a look at the VKSelect scripts, but whenever I try to open it, a message pops up saying that this script is present in the .JSD documentation but not in the default.JSS file, so I can't really look into the code.

Is there another way in which I can access the codes?

Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,
On 12/24/2020 12:27 PM, Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io wrote:

OK, perhaps I was being a little harsh about the jaws-scripting list. 
I do remember that one time when I told somebody that the JAWS-HELP functions have the ability to let you know what script is attached to a specific function, that somebody complained about this being very basic information. But here is a snippet that might help the original question:
,

If you need code samples, than you have to study JAWS 
shared scripts.
They are inexhaustible collections of examples!
By the way, you can contact Vispero and could buy some 
overpriced script writing training materials. But they 
contain "common script writing guidelines" only.

On the other hand, the new FSDN much better than the 
previous ones! You have to download it and look!

Back on the reference of a mailing list for doctors, let's say specifically urologist. If you wrote an inquiry asking why does it hurt when I urinate? I doubt anybody would appreciate answering. However if you ask a question giving several symtoms, and results of basic tests then there would be interest in answering the question. 
Just like if everybody on the JFW list kept asking how do I get latest version of JAWs, there might be some grumpy people on list. In fact, the NVDA list admins, are fairly particular now, that people stay in a strict bandwidth.
Jonathan

On Dec 23, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Leo <literophilus@...> wrote:

Mario, I'm wondering the same here...!


Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,

On 12/23/2020 2:25 PM, Mario wrote:
the scripting list on freelists doesn't sound like it's a good list if
one is just starting out in writing scripts. I wonder if there's a
more suitable list for newbee scripters with plenty of basic questions?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
[mailto:jonathan.c.cohn@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 12:33 PM
Subject: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting
mailing list
Hello,
It is possible that FS put script definitions in default.jsd that are
not in default.jss. Default.jss does include several "use" statements
that include code from other libraries. Also, the psd d files are used
for the command to insert a function in code, and for the  verification
that parameters are correctly listed for functions.
There is a JAWS scripting list on freelists. This list has most of the
professional scripters on it, so they get impatient if people ask fairly
simple questions. Also, if you ask can I get a script for Application X,
nobody will answer.
Please try to search the archive of over 10 years of scripting history
before asking a question.
Best of luck!
Jonathan Cohn













moderated Re: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting mailing list

Mario
 

just to clarify for those who might be interested, I doubt the ml at https://www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripting is the same as the one I (recently) mentioned at groups.io.

there also is another ml at freelists that deals with JAWS scripts which seems to be more of a discussion themed ml.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 9:13 PM
Subject: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting mailing list
well, there's https://groups.io/g/jawsscripting but there's only 9
subscribers and I don't know how active it is since it was created on
Nov of 2017.

a couple of other resources to check out besides the built in help system:

learning Jaws Scripting: a walkthrough
https://gist.github.com/BeastlyTheos/177004102bafda4b20e9b6e72863d29a?fbclid=IwAR3LNsFC3Ny66yAx8RknBpDEMXnJwa8h9lHj53NMkMMNEwFhd3F4X3WKH1s



Basics of JAWS Scripting intro and TOC:

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/ScriptManual/01-0_Introduction.htm



-------- Original Message --------
From: Leo [mailto:literophilus@myself.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 5:42 PM
Subject: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting mailing
list
Mario, I'm wondering the same here...!


Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,

On 12/23/2020 2:25 PM, Mario wrote:
the scripting list on freelists doesn't sound like it's a good list if
one is just starting out in writing scripts. I wonder if there's a
more suitable list for newbee scripters with plenty of basic questions?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
[mailto:jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 12:33 PM
Subject: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting
mailing list
Hello,
It is possible that FS put script definitions in default.jsd that are
not in default.jss. Default.jss does include several "use" statements
that include code from other libraries. Also, the psd d files are used
for the command to insert a function in code, and for the  verification
that parameters are correctly listed for functions.
There is a JAWS scripting list on freelists. This list has most of the
professional scripters on it, so they get impatient if people ask fairly
simple questions. Also, if you ask can I get a script for Application X,
nobody will answer.
Please try to search the archive of over 10 years of scripting history
before asking a question.
Best of luck!
Jonathan Cohn












.






.


moderated Re: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting mailing list

Cohn, Jonathan
 

OK, perhaps I was being a little harsh about the jaws-scripting list. 
I do remember that one time when I told somebody that the JAWS-HELP functions have the ability to let you know what script is attached to a specific function, that somebody complained about this being very basic information. But here is a snippet that might help the original question:
,

If you need code samples, than you have to study JAWS 
shared scripts.
They are inexhaustible collections of examples!
By the way, you can contact Vispero and could buy some 
overpriced script writing training materials. But they 
contain "common script writing guidelines" only.

On the other hand, the new FSDN much better than the 
previous ones! You have to download it and look!

Back on the reference of a mailing list for doctors, let's say specifically urologist. If you wrote an inquiry asking why does it hurt when I urinate? I doubt anybody would appreciate answering. However if you ask a question giving several symtoms, and results of basic tests then there would be interest in answering the question. 
Just like if everybody on the JFW list kept asking how do I get latest version of JAWs, there might be some grumpy people on list. In fact, the NVDA list admins, are fairly particular now, that people stay in a strict bandwidth.
Jonathan

On Dec 23, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Leo <literophilus@...> wrote:

Mario, I'm wondering the same here...!


Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,

On 12/23/2020 2:25 PM, Mario wrote:
the scripting list on freelists doesn't sound like it's a good list if
one is just starting out in writing scripts. I wonder if there's a
more suitable list for newbee scripters with plenty of basic questions?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
[mailto:jonathan.c.cohn@...]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 12:33 PM
Subject: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting
mailing list
Hello,
It is possible that FS put script definitions in default.jsd that are
not in default.jss. Default.jss does include several "use" statements
that include code from other libraries. Also, the psd d files are used
for the command to insert a function in code, and for the  verification
that parameters are correctly listed for functions.
There is a JAWS scripting list on freelists. This list has most of the
professional scripters on it, so they get impatient if people ask fairly
simple questions. Also, if you ask can I get a script for Application X,
nobody will answer.
Please try to search the archive of over 10 years of scripting history
before asking a question.
Best of luck!
Jonathan Cohn













moderated dictionary manager crashes

Mario
 

using the latest version 2020, I want to trim the default dictionary by deleting duplicated entries but after deleting a few entries, I receive:

JDiction MFC Application has stopped working A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available.
Close program Button

after closing and restarting the dictionary manager, I proceed to continue from where I was interrupted, but eventually experience the same crash.

how can this problem be fixed so DM doesn't spurraticly crash?


moderated Re: Openbook setting for typed text.

Dan Longmore
 

Hi,

  Not that I am aware of, if so, would be nice for use.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Openbook setting for typed text.

 

Hello All,

 

The old versions of Openbook had a scanner option for what they referred to as type or printed text; for typewriter and for more modern proportional font stuff.  Is that option still in OB9?

 

Thanks,

Tim Ford

 


moderated Re: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting mailing list

Leo
 

I'm sorry for the blank message I sent few minutes ago, I was fooling
around with Thunderbird.

Mario, the page located in GitHub is particularly interesting, I haven't
stumbled upon  this page when I was searching for online resources. The
Freedom Scientific documentation about scripting was actually the first
place I looked into.

Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,

On 12/23/2020 8:13 PM, Mario wrote:
well, there's https://groups.io/g/jawsscripting but there's only 9
subscribers and I don't know how active it is since it was created on
Nov of 2017.

a couple of other resources to check out besides the built in help
system:

learning Jaws Scripting: a walkthrough
https://gist.github.com/BeastlyTheos/177004102bafda4b20e9b6e72863d29a?fbclid=IwAR3LNsFC3Ny66yAx8RknBpDEMXnJwa8h9lHj53NMkMMNEwFhd3F4X3WKH1s


Basics of JAWS Scripting intro and TOC:

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Content/Documents/Other/ScriptManual/01-0_Introduction.htm


-------- Original Message --------
From: Leo [mailto:literophilus@myself.com]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 5:42 PM
Subject: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting
mailing list
Mario, I'm wondering the same here...!


Leo

“Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.”
― haruki murakami,

On 12/23/2020 2:25 PM, Mario wrote:
the scripting list on freelists doesn't sound like it's a good list if
one is just starting out in writing scripts. I wonder if there's a
more suitable list for newbee scripters with plenty of basic questions?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Cohn, Jonathan via groups.io
[mailto:jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io]
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2020, 12:33 PM
Subject: Scripts in default user disappeared and Jaws scripting
mailing list
Hello,
It is possible that FS put script definitions in default.jsd that are
not in default.jss. Default.jss does include several "use" statements
that include code from other libraries. Also, the psd d files are used
for the command to insert a function in code, and for the  verification
that parameters are correctly listed for functions.
There is a JAWS scripting list on freelists. This list has most of the
professional scripters on it, so they get impatient if people ask fairly
simple questions. Also, if you ask can I get a script for Application X,
nobody will answer.
Please try to search the archive of over 10 years of scripting history
before asking a question.
Best of luck!
Jonathan Cohn












.





moderated Re: how to get rid of Edge in start up?

Dave Durber
 


Randy:
 
As I explained to Glen, using the normal navigation keys do not work, however, as you suggested in your previous post, I was able to fully access the Task Manager program through the MsConfig program.
 
Dave
 

---- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: how to get rid of Edge in start up?

in task manager Did you press on the more details button? if you our just trying to get to the start up tab another way is to use  msconfig.EXE. Just press the windows key type MSCONFIG. EXC then hit enter and go to the start up tab and that will have a link that will take you directly to the start up tab of task manager.

Randy Barnett

On Dec 23, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Dave Durber <d.durber@...> wrote:


Glen:
 
Task Manager starts as it should but, when I use the keystrokes to move around the program, they do not work.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: how to get rid of Edge in start up?

Not sure Dave,
If task manager does not come up, there's something wrong.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: how to get rid of Edge in start up?

Glen:
 
I pressed CTRL+SHIFT+ESC, to start Task Manager, JAWS says, "Task Manager, list of items, list box. When I pressed CTRL+TAB, nothing happenes.
 
Any other suggestions?
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: how to get rid of Edge in start up?

Hi Stan,
Call up task manager with shift control + escape and control tab to the startup tab and uncheck it.
Assuming you are using windows 10.
In 7, you need to run a utility called msconfig with the run edit box which you get with windows + R.
HTH.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 1:03 PM
Subject: how to get rid of Edge in start up?

Dear List: I am running J 2021 and Google Chrome is my default browser.

Edge and a site called personal Microsoft comes up frequently at start up. Seems to slow up start up quite a bit.

How do I get rid of this intrusion?

Stan


moderated Re: JAWS 2021 and Brave Browser: Not Allowing Me To Navigate With Left/Right Arrow Keys In The Address Bar

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, David. One way I have found to avoid problems with JAWS and apps is to avoid using the JAWS Settings migration feature between versions of JAWS. I make all changes to JAWS settings in new versions of JAWS manually. I also make a file noting all changes which I have made to JAWS that change default behavior. This way, If I see that something is not working as desired with JAWS, I check by using the INSERT plus SPACE, followed by Z command. If the undesired behavior does not persist when Default alternate user directory mode is enabled, I have a complete list of changes I have made to JAWS Default Settings, and can reverse them to see which of these changes has resulted in the undesired behavior of JAWS.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2021 and Brave Browser: Not Allowing Me To Navigate With Left/Right Arrow Keys In The Address Bar

 

Bill,

Thanks so much for your suggestion, which led me to the solution. After a bit of trial and error I discovered that it was my default.jcf file which was causing the odd behavior in Brave. Once I discovered this I removed it, adjusted some default settings and things are working perfectly now. Thank you again for helping me to troubleshoot and correct this annoying behavior.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 5:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 2021 and Brave Browser: Not Allowing Me To Navigate With Left/Right Arrow Keys In The Address Bar

 

Hi, David. The only thing I can recommend is, before you do your repair, go into Utilities>Explore My Settings, and remove all settings files. This is based on the behavior of INSERT plus SPACE, followed by Z. This runs JAWS with no settings configuration files in effect. Then do a JAWS repair, and see if this fixes the problem.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 1:07 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: JAWS 2021 and Brave Browser: Not Allowing Me To Navigate With Left/Right Arrow Keys In The Address Bar

 

First, I want to say that the problem I’m about to describe is likely not a reproducible JAWS bug but is something which seems to be some sort of corruption unique to my profile.

I’m using JAWS 2021, Brave 1.18.75, Windows 10 Pro, 20H2, Dell Lattitude E7270.

This problem did not occur using my old Dell OptiPlex.

The problem does not occur with other browsers.

When I open a page in Brave all navigation commands work as expected until I navigate to the address bar by either pressing ctrl-L or alt-D.

When the address bar gains focus JAWS speaks it as it should. However, cursor navigation commands do not speak as I navigate with left/right arrow keys and selection commands along with ctrl-C do not allow me to copy the URL to the clipboard.

If I press insert-space, followed by Z to open a temporary default profile navigation commands work as expected.

As soon as I toggle back to my own profile I cannot navigate, select or copy the URL.

Here is what I have done so far.

  1. Run the JAWS 2021 installer to initiate a repair. Same behavior after the repair.
  2. As I use Leasey I then uninstalled that program. Restarting the PC without Leasey still did not fix the problem.
  3. Reinstalled Leasey with no change after PC restart.

I’m wondering if there are specific files in my user settings folder (not shared settings) which I could delete to see if that might fix the issue.

Feedback is appreciated.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

 


moderated Re: Trouble reading MS word documents

Shirley Tracy
 

Hi Everyone. Thanks to those of you who responded.

 

 

 

For the record, I’m using 2016. But I think I solved my own problem. I started getting “error” messages from MS (and one message that said “updating Office”. I don’t have a clue why I got them, especially the “updating” message). I then called Microsoft disability line and the woman was about to take over my computer when I was called away by an unavoidable interruption. Understand, I had already rebooted once with no change. When I finally got back to the computer, I rebooted again before calling Microsoft back. But the problem was gone! So, definitely something had gone wrong and, without my knowing how or why, is now fixed.

 

Shirley Tracy

 

From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 6:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble reading MS word documents

 

For the record, my new Outlook problem is with 2016, which doesn’t update via Microsoft. It could be a combination of changes in JAWS 2021 and MS 365, but in my case, I can blame only JAWS 2021.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble reading MS word documents

 

Jason:

 

You might be right about this.

 

And, that makes problems harder to resolve, because not everyone has the same experiences.

 

Recently, for example, I’ve been having issues with my Outlook address books.

 

I’m now no longer able to navigate through and edit e-mail group lists, and I have had to figure out an alternate way to copy e-mail addresses from my address books when needed.

 

I’ve contacted Freedom Scientific about these issues, and they acknowledge them.

 

They say they are related to Microsoft 365 updates.

 

It’s very frustrating, to say the least.

 

It makes me wonder whether the Microsoft accessibility people ever collaborate with Freedom Scientific prior to releasing updates.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble reading MS word documents

 

I’ve been receiving regular Office 365 (now Microsoft 365) updates, with no problems of this kind at all. In fact, I can’t remember the last time I encountered any sort of Office 365 regression The bugs that affect me seem to stay around from one version to another.

 

I don’t know why some people are encountering issues and others aren’t – it’s probably related to very specific configurations.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Tom Behler <tombehler@...>
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 15:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Trouble reading MS word documents

I have noticed this too, just this morning.

 

I had to go in and set view to draft, and now all is ok again.

 

Also, this morning, when my e-mail downloaded, it was arranged in some sort of a weird view which was not readable by Jaws.  Had to go in and manually change the view to descending order by date.

 

I suspect all of this might have been caused by yet another Microsoft 365 update.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Trouble reading MS word documents

 

Hi, Shirley,

I have not noticed this, but when I try reading a document later, I will see what happens.

 

On Dec 23, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Shirley Tracy <shirleytracy16@...> wrote:



Hello everyone,

 

Are any of you beginning to have trouble reading documents in MS Word? Or is it just me?

 

I wrote an important letter to a company a few days ago, and I was trying to read it today to make some changes before sending it. I had trouble simply reading line by line. Did something change? Or am I in The Twilight Zone?

 

Shirley Tracy

 

 

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